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Vivax
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The "where are you going with your questioning" is one of the things that hit me about him, he is supposed to argue for DP being scum in his position, so he shouldn't have reason to be so neurotic about someone asking him out about it. I read it as scum not feeling comfortable being asked about that, so he quickly stepped on the defensive thinking that I was attacking him with that question. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On May 13 2013 15:54 WaveofShadow wrote: Already did. Check any of my other games and see how often I come up with a scumread D1. There are 2 questions. | ||
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Vivax
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If he was scum, his motivation would be to have to explain as little as possible, to avoid talking much about the issue. In that mindset, questions directed towards him doing that would be viewed by him as threat, and as an attack, and that's the way he replied to that question: Acting as if I was doing something suspicious with my questioning. That's cause he felt threatened by it. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On May 13 2013 15:56 Vivax wrote: It's not a matter of scumslip, it's a matter of tone. Rayn is subtly being aggressive towards me in that post when all he would have to say is that he thinks DP could have fakeclaimed with his scum rolename. The "where are you going with your questioning" is one of the things that hit me about him, he is supposed to argue for DP being scum in his position, so he shouldn't have reason to be so neurotic about someone asking him out about it. I read it as scum not feeling comfortable being asked about that, so he quickly stepped on the defensive thinking that I was attacking him with that question. Oh the role name? What does that have to do with anything? Why is Rayn even mentioning that? RAYN??? Is there anything else that stands out? | ||
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Promethelax
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On May 13 2013 05:47 chaoser wrote: Promethelax, what do you think about obviousone? if the lynch was going to happen right now and you had total control over it, who do you think would be the best lynch and why? DP? can you explain why you said what was the purpose of that statement? I like obviousone as a player so that may be clouding my judgement but he generally starts games with something a little silly (hydra game was my personal favourite where he rewrote a song from my childhood to be about mafia.) O haven't looked at him anymore than reading the thread but while doing that I didn't get enough scum vibes from him to look back. I don't have a strong read on him at the moment in either direction. The stuff which has been brought up about him being defensive isn't convincing to me. As to the lynch right now the very second you posted this question it would be between DP and WoS for me. DP for policy reasons about miller claiming in a closed set up and WoS because his aggression and in-your-face attitude is something which feels totally dissonant from his town game. I wish he had scum meta for me to look at but since he doesn't I can only say that it doesn't seem to match his green or blue play. I'd lean towards WoS I think. My purpose is to create a policy where no one can claim miller in response to a check. I would like any mafia who want to claim that they will return red to a check to do it now. I'd also like all millers to do it now since we are getting an essentially free cop check on the claiments (i.e. we know that DP will return red to a cop check, now its up to us to decide if that cop check is worth lynching him over). How about you chaoser? Who is your n0 lynch and why? On May 13 2013 06:02 DarthPunk wrote: I would also like an answer on how the fuck you have a town read on everyone so far? because that sort of shit screams scum to me. Dunno if this helps but I read it as a bit of a joke. There was a game recently where vivax said the same thing and was called town for it. I think said game was LXI (ongoing) which is why the players in that game won't talk about it. But go check out the first few pages and you'll see it. On May 13 2013 06:14 DarthPunk wrote: I kind of feel good about all this talking in a way. Bypassed the policy talk, although prome still want to policy lynch me. <3 The further into the thread the worse I feel about obviousone. This in particular is one of my least favourite posts ever: On May 13 2013 06:14 ObviousOne wrote: Lol so you just walked into that one. You cherry picked the part of my post I added for you to cherry pick and didn't bother to refute the rest. Scum or 3P, guys. You heard it here first. DP already brought up why its terrible but yeah. I'm not a fan. On May 13 2013 07:17 ObviousOne wrote: Lol dismissing that specific thing by calling it meta is pretty funny. You assume I am a new or bad player instead of reading my profile which is kept up to date for my own convenience to refer to. You disregard my invitation to understand me better. You are not interested in figuring out my alignment because you either know or don't care. Scum or lazy town, either way I wish death upon you at our earliest convenience. Bee Tee Dubz: The word you were looking for is 'policy'. never mind. DP gets a pass I'd lynch obviousone, there is no reason for a town to wish death on someone who they are alignment null on which this posts clearly states OO is on DP. On May 13 2013 07:44 VisceraEyes wrote: DP claimed miller eh? I tend to agree with OO for now - ignore the claim and hunt for scum. You either believe his claim or you don't, because you know for a fact that a DT check on him WILL return "guilty" (because he's either town and telling the truth or scum). So let him do what he's going to do up until lynch time. If he's the scummiest dude, lynch him. EZPZ. Promethelax weakly supporting a policy lynch of DP is the scummiest thing in the thread imo. Like check out his language. "In a vacuum that's scummy", "we can figure it out" and "good candidate for policy lynch". Barely an opinion of his own at all in the whole thing. Am watching carefully. Am watching carefully. All (Viscera)Eyes on me, eh? On May 13 2013 09:30 shirokami wrote: pretty much that, now we come ask ourselves, was that claim even worth it? it was pretty much +-0 Not at all. It gives us something excellent to start off day one discussion and gives us a free cop check. That was what I had up to the day post. I was wrong on DP but I'd like to think I'd have worked it out today anyways. I'm going to read post day post and write another large post responding to everything I want to talk about. Keeping them separate for ease. | ||
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Vivax
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Vivax
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Comments on Rayn please? That post by him wasn't the only scummy thing but I don't want to write a complete case, I'm lazy atm. | ||
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Promethelax
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On May 13 2013 13:49 Oatsmaster wrote: That was the absolutely worst vig shot in the history of mafia If it becomes known later that mafia have only 1 nk lynch oats. On May 13 2013 14:04 VayneAuthority wrote: third party or inept vig that is the question. Anyhow kita's filter just brings up a few suspicions towards me, darth, WoS, and prplhz. I am also suspicious of prplhz and anyone else in this thread that went out of their way to communicate with kita. Who else would that be Vayne? You had some interactions with kita around your past game play, does that make you scum? If not why not? On May 13 2013 14:12 Oatsmaster wrote: Why would mafia shoot DP other than the fact that he is actually good at mafia [small]unlike you  [small]? He is under a decent amount of pressure and could sidetrack town for a significant portion of d1 possibly. There are better shots IMO. Prome please come and make yourself confirmed town. Game would be a lot easier that way. STARSENSES sorry brah, my time is limited I'll do what I can. On May 13 2013 14:14 Blazinghand wrote: The problem that like you and 90% of the TL Mafia community have is that you look for complex scenarios, for WTHTD, when really most of the time you should just assume things went relatively simply. This is a fairly large game with 5 scum. Games this size, scum tends to have 2 kp. Two people flipped. Barring a vigi claim, or like a vet claim or something weird like that, the simplest thing to think, the thing that requires the fewest butt-retarded assumptions that literally everyone but me likes to make, is that scum used 2 kp and killed 2 people, who are the guys who just flipped. I'll update this view if new information emerges, but as it is I consider the matter closed. I'm right and you guys are wrong. The above post is 100% true. Unless someone claims something new 2nks in a game this size are the mafia kp. On May 13 2013 14:20 VayneAuthority wrote: Im not gonna go through everyones filter so far since this thread is already huge, but as I said any interaction where some one goes out of their way to talk to kita. for example, prplhz saying hi to him when not addressed at all. It makes them scummy, in my opinion, because kita died tonight. Got dat kita on your mind, whos gonna pop in your head when your thinking who to night kill? lololololol On May 13 2013 14:29 ObviousOne wrote: I also said he might be 3P and mafia would probably want to eliminate that. goddamn it. OO is scum. None of us had a reasonable explanation for a nk on DP. I've been trying to think about who has a high opinion of DP's town play in this game and the ones I know of are me and scum team from The Game (bh/kita/bugs/geript) so I was looking at bh but rather liked his posting so far. Somehow OO has an explanation for the nk that makes perfect sense if he were scum. ##Vote: ObviousOne On May 13 2013 15:15 WaveofShadow wrote: BH you and I are on seemingly exact wavelengths this game. Not sure what to make of that. I wasn't sure as to whether or not kita was town or scum but I know he was a good kill for mafia. DP not so much due to thread sentiment, but I do believe they were likely both scum NKs, no vig involved. Personally if scum were thinking like me I think they'd basically assume DP was town and that town KNEW he was town; and letting him get away as an active (assume-confirmed) townie is a no-no as scum. I'm not sure it was a good play as scum though since it essentially destroys any hope of them trying to secure the miller mislynch today, especially since there were definitely some townies who may have been on board for that, but DP is a valuable townie so we're at a loss for sure in the end. This is essentially why I was wondering whether it was a good idea to bother starting up conversation before the N0 NKs; it essentially assured the mafia that kita/DP would be good first kills due to their activity. It's probable that other strong townies will pop up as the game goes on but the two of them painted massive targets on their backs imo. and WoS too. Fuck now I'm torn. Let me lay it out for you, this player list is pretty soft. There are three excellent vet players: Kita, BH and VE. There is one vet from long ago who is good but hasn't played in a while: Chaoser. And a few above average players who are known to be good: me, DP, SnB, Sloosh, prplhz, hiro. I'd have been pretty surprised to see the nks fall outside of that group of people and even more shocked if there wasn't at least one of the bh/kita/ve triad dead (or shot at) n0. Mafia aren't dumb they know which players are good and which are bad, they don't need help in directing n0 kp. There are five scum, the idea of five players not being able to figure out which players are worth shooting early is laughable. Though the DP shot is pretty bad because he was under so much pressure. So maybe they did need help. On May 13 2013 16:04 Vivax wrote: There's another scummy dude I have in mind but I'll wait to see what he does today. hint: that dude is me. Its always me. | ||
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Promethelax
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On May 13 2013 16:33 Vivax wrote: Ah I misread the stuff. Comments on Rayn please? That post by him wasn't the only scummy thing but I don't want to write a complete case, I'm lazy atm. He hadn't popped out to me but I like what you pointed out. I'm going back now to filter him, WoS and OO. I like my vote where it is for the moment but I'll get back to you in a little bit after filter diving. You comment on WoS/OO for me, fair trade? | ||
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Vivax
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Look, I am coaching mafia this game | ||
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Oatsmaster
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Why.................................. Are you being this useless Prome? Also I have mad skillz in scumslipping right? yeah... .try harder bro. | ||
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Promethelax
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Not being useless bro. Why you being useless? | ||
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Oatsmaster
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OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt. Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP. Come on. Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO??? | ||
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Vivax
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On May 13 2013 16:37 Promethelax wrote: He hadn't popped out to me but I like what you pointed out. I'm going back now to filter him, WoS and OO. I like my vote where it is for the moment but I'll get back to you in a little bit after filter diving. You comment on WoS/OO for me, fair trade? OO I think is town for early activity and cause he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about his image. I put him into that spot pretty early and I have other fish to fry. I'm not sure about WoS, but he never rolled scum and seems pretty cheerful this game. I'd expect him to not be able to not give a fuck so easily in his first game as scum, I wish that he started doing some analysis soon, N0 is over. These two aren't really subject of interest. | ||
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Promethelax
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On May 13 2013 05:39 raynpelikoneet wrote: I dunno what to make of it. Maybe he will explain it, maybe not, i'll judge later. I'm more interested in DP defending his claim as "what only townie would do" and then saying he is a good scum player and would never draw attention to himself like that as scum. If he thinks this is optimal town play, why so defensive? And calling people who think claiming miller is scummy stupid/scum is ridiculous. I would atm lynch him based purely on that. and this post: On May 13 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well everyone who has posted so far besides you are probably town. I'm off to bed, cya tomorrow. Rayn is all about how DP is scum. His recent games have been decent and Rayn's one scum game showed a good understanding of how to play scum. Tunneling one dude and murdering him right after isn't terribly good as mafia even more so since at least one townie (from my pov obviously, you can argue that everyone who called DP scum is themselves scum) agreed with his push and DP seemed like a likely target for the day one lynch. I by no means think Rayn is confirmed town but I certainly wouldn't lynch him today. | ||
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Promethelax
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On May 13 2013 16:44 Oatsmaster wrote: Also. OO is scum because he thought that the kill might be from 3P, in an Ace game, in a closed setup. Righhttttttttt. Give me more meat on OO being scum please or something other than OO OMGUSing DP. Come on. Traps are stuff both town and scum set up, and its true that DP didnt address the main point which was that he talked a lot about how he was townie(thats what I got from the 'trap post'). But no, DP doesnt like meta. Who knew?? WHOO??? OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense? | ||
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Promethelax
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On May 13 2013 16:45 Vivax wrote: OO I think is town for early activity and cause he doesn't really seem to give a fuck about his image. I put him into that spot pretty early and I have other fish to fry. I'm not sure about WoS, but he never rolled scum and seems pretty cheerful this game. I'd expect him to not be able to not give a fuck so easily in his first game as scum, I wish that he started doing some analysis soon, N0 is over. These two aren't really subject of interest. They are interesting to me. I propose a deal. We treat each other as confirmed town today and bounce reads off each other. You ask me for a read on a player and I ask you for one on a different player. We have a history of tunneling each other and I'd like to see what we can get from working together. Though you might be scum and I'll tunnel you for it later. What do you say? One day of teamwork and we see what happens from there? WoS hasn't felt cheerful to me, his confrontational attitude n0 was really weird. As I said it doesn't match his play in the past at all and he too had a reason to shoot DP and has buddied BH in an odd way which I didn't like. | ||
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Oatsmaster
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On May 13 2013 16:51 Promethelax wrote: OO is scum because I haven't liked the movement of his thoughts. The kill thing you are misunderstanding entirely. He says that scum could have killed DP because they thought that DP was 3p (something I hadn't considered myself). I couldn't think of a good reason to kill town dp from a scum pov since there was pressure on him but OO had the reason ready made. Scum know why they shot who they shot. Make sense? No? Scum doesnt want to kill 3P day 1. I said he was vigged. So am I scum too because I have a readymade reason why scum didnt shot DP? | ||
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