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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
The reason why no one does it, and therefore DP says its bad, is cause there isnt really much upside. Upsides are if someone gets copchecked then he can claim away his purposed red identity. How many times have you seen people caught by a red check? Not often for me. Upsides for town is to just not waste a check on you. Dont use blue claims and stuff. Use behavioral analysis. Why is DP's supposed bad view towards his claim scummy? | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 13 2013 12:03 kitaman27 wrote: GG no re. Nope, the sentence is probably the least relevant part. I don't like the fact that he is defending his miller claim, which is a completely reasonable mafia n0 tactic, by arguing that it isn't a very good mafia decision. Of course its just n0 though, so I certainly haven't made up my mind one way or another on anyone until the relevant posting begins. Well shits guise, better concede. Kita I'm still mad at you for playing me hardcore in The Game. I'm gonna be doubly mad at you if you get my whole scumteam lynched! Leave those guys you named alone! | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
On May 13 2013 12:19 Oatsmaster wrote: Well of course its probably not accurate. But is it maliciously not accurate or is it just DP's viewpoint? The reason why no one does it, and therefore DP says its bad, is cause there isnt really much upside. Upsides are if someone gets copchecked then he can claim away his purposed red identity. How many times have you seen people caught by a red check? Not often for me. Upsides for town is to just not waste a check on you. Dont use blue claims and stuff. Use behavioral analysis. Why is DP's supposed bad view towards his claim scummy? Of course there is tons of upside to a claim. It's extremely rare that a scum player can argue himself out of a red check. High profile players are magnets for checks and a miller claim pretty much guarantees you won't be checked. The part that I find scummy is that he said he considers himself a good scum player. I tend to agree. A good scum player is more than willing to attract attention to himself for personal benefit. He is saying that as a scum he would not be willing to attract attention to himself for personal benefit. Defending the miller claim because it benefits town is fine, but defending the miller claim because its an unlikely mafia decision isn't. | ||
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kitaman27
United States9245 Posts
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 13 2013 12:37 kitaman27 wrote: I guess the point that I'm making is that he acknowledges how an uncontested miller claims can win games in the quote I provided and now he is arguing that a mafia miller claim would be crazy. Not crazy, just not worth it nor consistent with my play as scum. The reason I say I would never do it as mafia is that the payoff is just not worth it. I have never ever been lynched due to a cop check. If I were fake claiming miller I would have gone into this game literally deciding to cheese with a fake claim which only benefit is protecting me from something I have never had problems with and which drawbacks include potentially being vigged and put straight into the firing line. The only way I can see a premeditated instant fake claim being worth it is if you were so bad as scum that you were almost guaranteed to be caught immediately and it was your only chance. As you said earlier, claiming miller straight up is consistent with my viewpoint on miller claims. SO either I A.) rolled miller and claimed, consistent with previous games miller policy. B.) decided to immediately fakeclaim miller out of the blue in case I happened to be DT checked. As oats said the upside to fakeclaim is negligible. It just isn't a safe play for scum to make. It is cheese essentially. all I am asking is to be considered null which I think you will find is also consistent with that quote you pulled. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 13 2013 12:49 kushm4sta wrote: OO is the towniest mother fucker in this thread right now IMO. Really? he is screaming scum to me. Perhaps I am biased. Would you be able to point out the reasons behind your strong town read? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Marv is strong scum player. That isnt an argument. That said, DP wont do this as scum. Like he isnt bored of playing scum as far as I know, its his first game in a while. DP elaborate on your scum read on OO please  | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On May 13 2013 13:23 ObviousOne wrote: Oats capitalizing on DP's suspicions or are you genuinely not sure why he thinks I'm scum? I am genuinely not sure why he thinks you are scum. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
You think I'm mafia. Find at least one of my scum partners please. Thanks | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 13 2013 13:23 ObviousOne wrote: Oats capitalizing on DP's suspicions or are you genuinely not sure why he thinks I'm scum? Well considering I haven't wrote a case on you yet i don't think his question could be anything other than genuine. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
I am the fully armed and operational battle station of this town. | ||
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DarthPunk
Australia10857 Posts
On May 13 2013 13:29 ObviousOne wrote: Looks pretty retaliatory from here. Also noting you just had the opportunity to explain it in that post and you squandered it. I poke and prob a bit before pushing hard. You can ask oats. did it to him last game I played. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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Blazinghand
United States25552 Posts
On May 13 2013 13:25 ObviousOne wrote: Yo DP You think I'm mafia. Find at least one of my scum partners please. Thanks Although I don't believe DP has properly articulated the reasons behind his scumread against you, this will never be a meaningful defense, and you should know that. Drawing associative cases between unflipped players is not even remotely helpful. Why would you ask him to do that? Or are you just asking him to give another scumread besides yourself? If _I_ was under attack for specious reasons I'd focus my efforts on A) shooting them down and B) pointing out that the guy is scum, or hunting scum who aren't him. At the very least, if I were going to criticize him, I'd do something like ask him to lay out specific reasons for his suspicions. If I were super lazy, I'd ignore him or call him bad (or both). Your response here is not reasonable/useful | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
I want another scum read from him I want him to be useful so I can shift tunnels somewhere else when I am satisfied he looks more townie than others. | ||
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