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On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote: Like this post of yours? I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. I would argue that my statement is isnt a waste and adds value. This a game for new players, some of whom may not know a lot about lurking and such. This my first game so i had to do a some reading up on it and i doubt im alone on that. Making others aware of it encourages deeper reading of posts because scum will be posting. Why do you jampidampi, think it doesn't add anything? | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On May 04 2013 23:03 jampidampi wrote: Anyone with a brain would first get an idea how to play, not just jump into a game. You're statement, when thought about a little, reads: "scum don't scumhunt". Isn't that like the first thing everyone tells you is a scumtell when they start playing? Even if they didn't read any guides on how to play, with a little bit of thinking they would arrive at similiar scumtells: scum don't contribute/fake contrinutions. And your original statement talks about posts adding little to discussion. Not about adding nothing to the discussion. In your post you just went along with the thread sentiment of policy lynching lurkers while adding something of little value that didn't advance the discussion, unless of course it was your intention all along to get called out for that post. Insults are not a productive way to get information. Your post just continues your overall assumptions of this game and apply them to everyone. As for the remaining lurkers, it seems that a votes on a lurker gets them posting. Should we continue this trend until all are posting? Ie: vote for a lurker, then when they start posting unvote them? | ||
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On May 04 2013 21:25 shirokami wrote: Yo yo. So about the LAL. It's good for the reason that there are zero reasons to lurk in a thread-only game. Also I will only have my phone until tomorrow, so my posts today may lack some. On May 05 2013 06:44 shirokami wrote: Yo yo. So I have been reading filters (god I love this filter thing) and I have some opinions but I will contribute more in about 19hours when I get back to my key and mouseboard. I don't want to say something now because I want to tell you why and my nexus 4 is only good for reading, not writing. Keep the text flowing so we get a good D1 and enough to lynch scum. He claims his phone is only good for writing, yet his punctuation doesn't that bad. This feels like it comes off as a stall tactic which is not helpful at all. Even if it might be difficult to type, he should have at least posted something beneficial. Perhaps when his "analysis" comes, my mind will change, but for now, he's close to the top of my list. | ||
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I had suspected shirokami because of his lack of posts, but once he got on he was talkative and gave his opinion. On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote: Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum. Also about people voting JarJar, I like how he roasted jampidampi but they are both null for me right now, but they are definitely not scumbuddies, because only pro-scum even DARE do that kind of moves and this is not a pro-game. scum don't like attention. Oh and people who sheep someone, Please say why. If you dont say why, thats useless and makes you look like a woolly babylonian. @Calgar Dude. you started the game with good discussion about LaL, but please contribute more, I want to see you post, because your filter is not fun. @everyone Feel free to ask anything. Vayne's post are quite troubling as many of you have pointed out, he doesn't reveal his thoughts to the group. On May 06 2013 05:05 VayneAuthority wrote: shrug, just some brief pickups from him being too agreeable and deciding early on whether people are acting "scummy" or not. Also his push for lynching lurkers is something mafia tend to do early to gain an early foothold and town usually goes along with it, a common rookie mistake. I would rather just no lynch this day as theres almost nothing to go off of, but if I have to vote for now its going to be him Not going to reveal the second part of my analysis just yet because I would like to see where this first lynching goes before I divulge any more of how I think because it could change the mafia playstyle. His unwillingness to complete reveal is troubling but he has given some analysis. If this trend continues into day 2 then i would be more inclined to vote him. Now finally to Targe. I feel he has tried to hide his views on others the most. Initially he seemed a bit sheepish just going along with the policy (though I can be viewed the same as well). However as the thread continued he keeps waiting to see what others are saying, which would not be bad in and of themselves. However I feel like an "opinion" that he has made on the other players is barebones. He suspects Jarjar in that he believes Jarjar only posts about the general topic and not the players, yet Targe I feel is guilty of the same. On May 05 2013 20:21 Targe wrote: I'm interested in what Jarjar is going to do, I think the conclusion has been reached that we won't policy lynch? Correct me if I'm wrong. You're right about his posts only concerning policy lynches though, he hasn't put forward any arguments on people and seems to be commenting on general topics only, activity like that is indicative of scum or SK. Jarjar early on went after Vayne for this post and I feel at least for this day, Jarjar tried to encourage the discussion: On May 04 2013 22:51 JarJarDrinks wrote: couple of FOS's @VayneAuthority - Not Enough information to know whether we should policy lynch lurkers? The whole point of the policy vote is to get information. Saying that you want to see votes before you decide whether you want lynch lurkers sounds pretty bad. Like you're giving yourself an out in case your scum teammates starts to gather votes. @jampidampi - First of all, what's the point of telling us you rolled town? Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there. But the wierd thing about you saying that you're not sold on policy lynching lurkers is that you then vote a lurker. This is your next post:Seems like you got sold on it pretty quickly. The others dont bother me as much such as Calgar and nobody. As such, because of the impending mod kill, i am changing my vote to targe. I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding. | ||
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On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote: What happened to his inquiries regarding nobodywonder's reason to vote Vayne.. or shirokami's lack of content and postponing analysis? Does he find them satisfying or scummy or what, he simply votes for pressuring the non-poster instead of pursuing his suspicions, letting people know where he stands.. they must've given him some impression but my hunch is he's not willing to share them because he wants to keep his options of jumping on their wagon open. I found nobodywonder's quite bland, though it was early in the day. Nobody basically said he just didnt like Vayne's play style. As for shirokami, he finally started posting and it was about vayne. He didnt like vayne's play style either because vayne refused to reveal his full analysis. Instead of addressing both of these statements separately i commented on the subject of both... ie Vayne's lack of transparency. On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote: His unwillingness to complete reveal is troubling but he has given some analysis. If this trend continues into day 2 then i would be more inclined to vote him. It frankly didnt seem necessary to address both nobodywonder's and shirokami's posts separately as it would simply be repeating myself. Next you focused heavily on my voting for flowcaster and then my subsequent vote change. On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote: First off he's like warming up to it by saying his vote on flowcaster is useless. This is either townie realizing he has been playing anti-town or apologetic, cheeky scum. I can't tell but judging by the way he says these are the reasons for voting for Targe .. i don't know, sounds like it's hard for him to do so and he's getting ready to write some fiction. From the beginning I was open to the lynch all lurkers policy as a way to get those involved. As the day went on, I didnt find any one person overly suspicious nor had i focused on one person. I voted flowcaster because of his absolute lack of posting. Giving 0 information is not helpful at all for town. I then came back to the game, hours later things had changed. There was a mod message stating that flowcaster would either be mod killed or replaced with you. Furthermore, nobody, calgar, and targe insisted my vote change. At this point I went through posts of many of the players and come down to Targe for the reasons stated. He had only 2 votes on him when I voted him, so that can hardly be considered band wagoning. On May 06 2013 10:21 Spicydinosaur wrote: I'll be on till vote time if anything needs help understanding. On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote: Understanding what? It's not like he left room for anything to misinterpret, he's scum and it's that simple. Others are concerned about switching the vote because JarJar doesn't seem scummy whereas he is concerned about people understanding his post. In fact I thought him and flowcaster where the scumteam and he used the inactivity of his scumbuddy to distance himself from him knowing well that if he fails to show up he'd get replaced, or that he could easily switch off him once he starts to post. That is not the case though. I'm town and you should sheep me on this one. Your analysis here goes completely off the rails. I state that I am online and will talk about my position to anyone who wishes. Lets also not forget that it wasnt my vote that lynched a townie. You had a single though that Flowcaster and I were scumbuddies and you let that define your whole analysis. It is clear at the end that realized how wrong you were but you couldnt let that go. Then your very last thing you say is that people should go along with you, even when you claim im scum for bandwagoning. On May 07 2013 00:10 AllHailHydraGod wrote: As I've said he probably kept his options open to jump on one of the two he has questioned, actually, the only 2 people he had any sort of interactions with and even with these folks he didn't bother to comment on their replies to his questions. Here again you make assumptions that dont match the facts. I had question a few and yet I voted for another and gave my reasons for it. | ||
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my initial disdain for shirokami was because of his lack of posting, then he posted this: On May 06 2013 03:53 shirokami wrote: Im voting vayne for obvious scumslip: THERE ARE NO FRICKIN REASON TO NOT TELL YOU WHY SOMEONE IS SCUM IN A THREAD-ONLY GAME. It only looks bad and I think the reason in his vote against targe was because he has no reason. My logs are saying that targe is not scummy so thats it. I bet all my monnies that vayne flips scum. Also about people voting JarJar, I like how he roasted jampidampi but they are both null for me right now, but they are definitely not scumbuddies, because only pro-scum even DARE do that kind of moves and this is not a pro-game. scum don't like attention. Oh and people who sheep someone, Please say why. If you dont say why, thats useless and makes you look like a woolly babylonian. @Calgar Dude. you started the game with good discussion about LaL, but please contribute more, I want to see you post, because your filter is not fun. @everyone Feel free to ask anything. Here he gives his opinion on vayne and why. He also was focusing on people voting for jarjar. I really didnt get a read on him one way or the other on him with this post or with his subsequent votes so I then focused on others. As for jarjar, I initially like his posting as he called jampidampi out on the lynching lurker policy. The two of them had a good back and forth with jarjar defending his stance. After that exchange a lot of people began to pile on jarjar. I still feel targe is scummy as I reread his posts. The majority of them he acts very sheepishly. On May 04 2013 15:25 Targe wrote: Lynching lurkers sounds like a good plan, what are we thinking for activity then? Obviously everyone has to post at least once a day but people could post more whilst dodging questions or important issues. On May 04 2013 18:30 Targe wrote: I have to agree with jampidampi on Vayne, both of his posts are general comments, neither contribute to important discussion on day 1. He also seems to be waiting for others to give their opinion as he has stated on multiple occasions. On May 05 2013 08:40 Targe wrote: I'm still waiting for what shirokami and flowcaster have to say, shirokami sounds like he's made some interesting analysis with all his reading. Also, I don't think jampi is acting like scum, he's talking sense with how scum can abuse the lynch policy. On May 05 2013 20:21 Targe wrote: I'm interested in what Jarjar is going to do, I think the conclusion has been reached that we won't policy lynch? Correct me if I'm wrong. You're right about his posts only concerning policy lynches though, he hasn't put forward any arguments on people and seems to be commenting on general topics only, activity like that is indicative of scum or SK. This one paragraph here is all that targe gives on why he is voting jarjar. His reasoning can be directly applied to himself. His analysis of others is minimal and without much meat as seen below: On May 05 2013 08:40 Targe wrote: Also, I don't think jampi is acting like scum, he's talking sense with how scum can abuse the lynch policy. On May 05 2013 20:21 Targe wrote: Vayne's free to vote for me as no one isn't suspect on D1, he obviously has some logic behind his post but he hasn't shared it just yet. Then after all is said and done, Targe writes this: On May 06 2013 07:05 Targe wrote: Looks like jarjar's eating this lynch, I was hoping the voting would put some pressure on him to explain himself but he hasn't responded, annoying, if he turns out to be town that is a wasted day and a lynch, we'll be giving scum breathing room for another day. This sounds like he knows jarjar is town and is almost expressing sorrow before the vote is in to look like he made a mistake in the vote and that he is remorseful. The bolded part simply overstates the obvious and serves nothing but fluff. On May 06 2013 15:25 Targe wrote: ffs I wish I had seen that discussion and hadn't gone to bed, I only wanted to put pressure on jarjar but he posted after I went to sleep. Here again he expresses remorse. He could have changed his vote when he saw the piling on of jarjar, yet he chose to keep it on him. These last two paragraphs just sound incredibly scummy to me combined with the lack of any real opinions of the other players. | ||
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On May 07 2013 03:52 VayneAuthority wrote: [/url]its worthless until any killing occur so if I die then so be it. I agree with his analysis on spicydinosaur for a couple of reasons. 1. he starts off the game by saying he was looking up ways, such as lurking, that would be considered anti-town. If that isnt suspicious I don't know what is. Onto more concrete evidence... 2. mafia tend to ask a lot of questions but don't have a lot of answers. asking why people are voting for others and what they think about others gives the illusion of productivity but in reality adds nothing. 3. Tons of bandwagoning and general agreeance with others. As soon as anybody pipes up about having suspicions about somebody else, he is right there to agree. I am also adding the flowcaster early vote to this. 4. Voting for targe late even though it has no impact on the vote. Shifts him away from the JarJar lynch and also separates scum into different places so as to cause confusion. If targe or spicy flips mafia, I would strongly consider the other being mafia as well. 1. Not much to really say against this point except that I'm new. If thats the feeling you're getting theres not much i can do to dispell it. Early in D1 I was behind the votes on lurker/ possibly lynch them because I felt those who gave no information would be no help at all. 2. jampidampi asked more 1 liner questions than anyone in this thread. I asked a few questions and have answered all that were asked of me. 3. Tons of bandwagoning? I've only been suspicious of 2 people in this game so far. shirokami and targe. shirokami was because of his delayed postings which dissipated when he actually started to post. My suspicions on targe are documented in my last few posts. Also I voted for the lurker because he gave 0 information. Only hours later when he was going to be mod killed/ replaced did I change it. I also stated I was going to be away for a while and be back before the deadline, thus the seemingly late change. You may claim that's bull but its the truth. 4. This point makes the least amount of sense. I voted for targe because I believed him to be the scummiest. Voting for anyone or not voting would have had 0 impact on the vote. If i voted for jarjar you would accuse me of bandwagoning, if i voted for someone else you would say the same as you do above. Given that multiple people wanted me to switch votes off of the lurker, i chose who i thought was scum. As for targe/me being mafia... I welcome a cop to check me out. | ||
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On May 05 2013 08:12 eSpi.Casey wrote: @ VayneAuthority : I try to put focus to other players, giving you a break and time to put up a post with some good content, but you keep posting short post with little or non content. Q : Can you explain why you would vote Targe ? I agree he have not posted much yet, but hard to read either town or scum from what he have posted.. @ shirokami You have barly contributed at all, and from what you say so far, you are not willing to post anything. And you want to wait to the very end before we see a good post from you ? I do not like this, and if you dont post some content before this you are for me the biggest scum for now, with Vayne as number 2. I will contiune read filters and update here, and i hope you do aswell His reasoning for voting jarjar seems extremely light with no real weight behind his opinion. The bolded part being his only reasoning for him. I want eSpi.Casey to actually explain his voting and give more opinions today. Right now he's looking pretty bad. On May 06 2013 07:37 eSpi.Casey wrote: ##Unvote : Flowcaster ##Vote : JarJarDrinks Jarjar and Vayne seems as the most scumming once for me, with jarjar as the scummiest, jarjar have barly contributed, Vayne says he will contribute, but not before D2, atleast he seems more active then jarjar, im looking forward to see what you come up with on D2 Veyne, if your still here. Tomorrow i have free from work and will spend much time analytic post/filters and try to contribute more then i have done soo far. I think maybe i should have obs`ed a game before i started playing, this was a bit harder then i expected, but il try to keep up. @targe, I'd like to hear your response to both my accusations and jampidampi. @nobody, I have a hard time figuring you out. On one hand you are very active and ask questions to stir discussion. However you seem very guarded when it comes to your opinions of others. I'd like if you gave more meaty opinion on some of the other players. Though overall right now you are not on my radar. @vayne, I think is town for now. I've already talked about him in one of my previous posts, but I'll give a quick summary. I like how hes active, gives opinions, and asks questions. My only real concern is his withholding information though I think he will not be doing that anymore as it tended to piss a large number of us off. @shirokami, You are back on my radar. Initially I was upset with shirokami for his delayed postings. Once he started posting, I focused on others. But looking at his filter now, it lacks real content. He seemed to be focusing all his D1 posts against Vayne and only talking generally about the others. I would like to see more fleshed out opinions of others in the coming day. Lastly, this statement is troubling. On May 07 2013 22:07 shirokami wrote: So. I was role blocked. Others have touched up on this but I'd like shirokami to explain why he said that and hope this helps town. I know this is his first game and I hope he's just a newbie townie. So right now Casey and targe are my to top scums. I'll post more about others later. | ||
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On May 06 2013 07:39 jrkirby wrote: Ok, after rading all the filters and all the thread I have made my guess: A scumteam of nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami...... While I didn't particularly agree with some of his points, like when he accused nobody of wanting everyone to BW, he at least explained his rationale and reasoning. My only real issue with him is the last second vote switch at the end from targe to no lynch. Reading from his history it seemed that he never got a good read on targe and lacked confidence in his vote for him. Or possible he saw the votes were getting high on targe and he was worried people would jump off of jarjar and go to targe. I think its more of the former than the later. I would like to see his updated impressions on players, myself included. @calgar, it seemed D1 that you mostly tunneled sugarfluff. You did a good job of calling him out on his noncommittal stance and asked a lot of questions that he still hasn't answered. Overall I get a null-town read. I would like to see his thoughts on who he really thinks is scum on D2 and his general views on the others. On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote: @sugarfluff - I don't like your posting very much so far. I understand the votes on you were a random bandwagon to try and prompt activity and what's come forth hasn't seemed very useful. I don't see you doing any hunting right now. What bothers me is that you've taken a very non-committal stance. "I would vote for this guy, this other guy seems suspicious, but I don't know what to think really" is how I would paraphrase your attitude. I feel that vayne has taken some heat (rightfully so) for poorly worded statements regarding "not enough information" and you've sidled onto others (me and jampi specifically) who brought it up first. You're sheeping right now, and that's what scum does. @sugarfluff seems kinda scummy to me. In the beginning he didn't really post all too often and when he did he used emoticons. I know that's not a huge red flag but it just felt off. They are used to lighten the mood and as a sign of joking, but this is mafia and town has to be serious to get scum. My real trouble with him starts with his voting of jarjar. He gives his reasoning below: On May 05 2013 16:46 Sugarfluff wrote: Anyway, all of JarJarDrinks posts so far have been concerning policy lynching. No attempts at anything else, and if he really felt so strongly about the policy he would have voted, not spent all his posts discussing whether or not we should. My vote is for him. At this point in sugarfluff's filter, he hasn't really said too much himself. His posts are virtually all about policy as well aside from his conversation with jampidampi on page 8. The only true meaty post that he wrote is this: On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote: Allright, so I went through the thread again and I'm gonna give my impressions of people I think are scum and others. So far my scumradar shows kirby and calgar as scumbuddies. Kirby does very little in the beginning, suspiciously so if you ask me. This doesn't say much, however, since most posts at the very beginning are short and without a lot of content. But he doesn't try and start any discussions and gives short answers. He does make a good post a bit later on were he points his suspicions on nobodywonder, eSpi.Casey, and shirokami. Now I found this bit interesting, because I do believe that mafia could play like that, distancing themselves that is, but also if kirby does believe that wouldn't he play mafia that way? As it happens he and Calgar pretty much avoided each other completely in the beginning, not so weird for kirby since he barely did anything but it is weird for Calgar. Calgar gave his opinion on plenty of people, including lurkers, yet passed over kirby. Instead he focused on me. Which is fine, I don't think my first day posting was very good. But I also think his reaction was a little strong. So these two ignoring each other I found strange. They did have a conversation towards the end that gives me even more doubt. They both want JarJar off and both think Targe seems more suspicious, but both in fact make no actual attempt to save him, since as mafia they'd know he was town(or SK). The situation was pretty grim for JarJar so in theory if they are scumbuddies one could have voted for JarJar and he would certainly still have gotten lynched, but that is assuming they were worried enough about such suspicions. On the subject of Targe, my read on this guy isn't very good. He certainly doesn't seem that towny right now, short posts, not a lot of original content. I'd really like to hear Vaynes read on him now, if he has now deemed it acceptable for whatever reason. Vayne is definitely acting suspiciously, but he is quite active and not afraid answering questions (except for the "I'm not gonna tell yet" incident.) At this point I'd say he's more SK than town, and more town than mafia. But nothing conclusive. JampiDampi is town, according to me. Probably the person who has done most to get discussions going, and asking for more research material (vaynes previous games). I feel fairly confident in my read of Jampi being town. Nobodywonder doesn't seem quite town to me, but I feel kirby and Calgar are much stronger suspects. And nobody does ask some questions and try for some discussion. If it would turn out that kirby/calgar can't be mafia nobody would probably be next on my list. As it stands kirbys suspicion (as I believe he is mafia) would make me think nobody is town for now. Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon. As it is I really don't know who kirby an calgar's third man would be, anyone got any ideas? Think I'm totally off? Let's make the most of the wrong lynch right now so we are well prepared for day 2. He calls out calgar for passing over kirby and shows that they had similar suspicions. sugarfluff I think put too much emphasis on this "passing over." Most of us when we are giving analysis of the group only take a select portion. Heck sugarfluff didnt post any comments on me. His comments on the others are quite general and have already been reflected in other people's posts. I feel overall that he is only posting general opinions with not much meat. His voting of jarjar first seems the most troubling to me because of the hypocrisy of it. | ||
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Casey is voting him because of his lack of postings and not answering his questions. However what is troubling is targe now throwing his suspicion on jkirby. The last thing targe wrote was this on jkirby. On May 08 2013 16:31 Targe wrote: @jrkirby To follow up from my previous post, you still haven't improved. You've gone from a lot of one liners to hardcore lurking: This was your last post, you asked a question, yet when Vayne replies you do nothing with the information you gained, shirokami reacted, but not you. Casey asks you a question about your voting, which you subsequently ignored: He's asking you why you changed to no lynch, you still haven't replied. He asks later on for a reply: Still no answer. God damn it jkirby, reply, if you don't you're instantly scum in my eyes. This reads as a preamble to a vote and something targe will look back to for his justifications for doing so. What is really troubling is that it seems targe is representing Casey in the paragraph as almost a team. Which is weird since targe and Casey have 0 conversations together. I wouldn't go far as to say they are scum team as my read on Casey wasn't scum. What I do think is happening is that targe is scum and he's trying to pile on a town early now through someone else's problem. Even after targe's responses, I'm still not convinced of his townness. As such for now, I'm voting Targe. We really need everyone to talk today, especially @vanye, @nobody, @jkriby, and shirokami. | ||
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@casey, jkirby has barely posted since the start of day 2 and that is extremely troubling. It seems that you are suspicious of him for his complete lack of posting and that's it correct? Looking at your filter it seems you have been basically tunneling jkirby lately without really giving your opinions on the others. What do you think of targe? He's on a lot of people's scum radar and as I pointed out, is jumping on jkirby. Where do you stand on me as I've said the most in D2. Who is on your scum list besides jkirby? my read on you right now is a newbie town give how you voted. You and I both voted for the lurker before the mod kill warning came up and the others insisted we switched. You went with the majority because you were unsure of your reads and you admit that was wrong. I now really want to see your updated reads. I sympathize with you for the lack of postings, but you yourself can be a source of information by giving your thoughts. | ||
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On May 09 2013 03:10 shirokami wrote: So, vayne hid his analysis for NO REASON vayne wanted a no-lynch vayne thought it was good that our one most active town was killed only because he is a miller vayne is playing scummy and you are saying he is scummy town or some shit? really guys.. ? @shirokami, you really need to give your opinions about others besides vayne. He has a lot to answer for and we all know that. In the meantime you can be helpful by telling us what you think me, targe, casey, allhailhydragod. You have enough information to form an opinion on the ones I named and possibly the rest. Posting like what i juss quoted seems scummy. | ||
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On May 10 2013 06:35 calgar wrote: @spicy I'd like to hear your thoughts as well as hydra's before N2 ends because I've liked your play more than most of the other players so far. You've pointed at casey and targe as scummy - do you still feel the same? I get a town read from hydra. He jumped right in, didnt waste time and started analyzing the other players, starting with me. He gave his opinions and asked a lot of questions. He could have just said some bs intro of himself but instead went right at it. Targe is still at the top of my scum list. Nothing he has said has changed anything. Since D2 was so disastrous we never really got any new info. This will probably change with the incoming mod kills. I feel Vayne is playing the long game and not giving out too much information to keep himself under the radar. But then after D2, the whole game basically feel to shit so there wasn't much to say. About casey, I'm not as sure about him as I am Targe, but he's been saying things that sound pretty scummy. He says this: On May 09 2013 08:45 eSpi.Casey wrote: Sorry i havent been able to check in the thread again before now, i will be here for atleast 1 more hour checking in on the thread now and then, il try to be here up until night but i cant promise i manage that yet. So where do we stand now ? Targe is set to be lynched at the moment, can everyone who have voted speak out if this is their final vote or is anyone of you open to change ? Let`s make this clear now so we dont have a situation like D1. My vote is on Jrkirby, i am open to change for Shiromaki, since he seems just as scum as Jrkirby now. @Shiromaki : Why havent you replied to my post to you ? And where is your ``catching up when you got of from the bar`` Give me an good answear before the Lynch to make me change my mind about you. Il now do the filter reading of Targe&Vayne wich i wanted to do earlier today but i diddent get time, so il try have an better opinion about them aswell before Night. Then he writes this: On May 09 2013 10:27 eSpi.Casey wrote: I dont have time to put any good read`s on Vayne&Targe now, iv read trough their filter`s one time, but i need more time to make up my mind, for now Jrkirby and Shiro are my scumread`s. And again you promised a long post today Shiro, and yet again excuse for them not coming, its always something, your not home, using your phone, and now your netboard... And i must agree with Sugarfluff about Jrkirby will be modkilled, also agreeing with Vayne here about your meaningless vote. Im very tempted to change my vote to you, and i might do, i will update the thread regulary now and see what other people think&do This kind of delayed opinion and false promise of analysis reeks of scum. He said he was going to give us a read on vayne and targe, but then jumped on the shiro wagon. The problem is that shiro was such a horrible player, its hard to tell if he put his vote on shiro because shiro was an ass, or to protect targe. The truth is we dont have Casey's opinion of targe anywhere. As such, i think targe and casey are possible scum buddies. I'd want a cop to check Casey out. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On May 10 2013 08:00 eSpi.Casey wrote: I suggest you read through the topic again, i said i would give read on Targe/Vayne, but i diddent make it on time. So i choosed to wait and see what happend with the vote`s, i gave my reasons for what i was doing, and if you scroll back in D2, you can see i provided more post then many, i was pretty active, but i diddent get the time to make a good read for any of them before deadline, but as promised, the read`s on them will come on D3. I have been on work for the whole day, and i have half day tomorrow on work, so after that il come back and catch up. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you ran out of time before the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you wanted to see what would happen with the vote. You said you would give analysis on targe/vayne... but then you said you will wait for D3. Please tell me how this does not look scummy. You said you couldn't get a read before the deadline... so then you just stopped trying? That makes no sense. | ||
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Me, Sugarfluff, Vayne, Calgar, and Casey. We have to get the next two votes right perfectly or we are done. Before AllHailHydraGod, he was focusing on Calgar and thinks he might have been scum. jampidampi before he died suspected Casey of being scum. Both of them believed Targe to be scum. Right now I'm leaning towards Casey as he has been actively avoiding giving an analysis of Targe and never voted for him. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote: @spicy Alright, good job on the targe hunch spicy. I'm not entirely sure you're dead next but there's probably a good chance. Time to turn things around while we still can. @vayne I've reread vayne's filter and changed my mind. I don't think he's played a very good game and he's said a lot of things that can be individually considered scummy, like his vague active lurking/'stalling for time' posts to start the game: and Then there was his insistence on withholding information (you realize when you don't share reads thats 3 mafia you're denying and 8 other towns... 8 seems more important 3...) but that's been mentioned a lot already. There is also the continued mention of a no-lynch and that has been discussed already as well. The no-lynch seems to come from his past experiences and he feels that it would genuinely help town. So even though there are all these individuals things I don't like about his play, I fail to see an overall scummy motivation in his actions as a whole. He made the targe case a while ago and was pushing his read there. I don't really see why scum would pressure targe back then so I can't really imagine that he would be making that case so early if he weren't town. This kind of clears him in my eyes for now. casey also seems to have tried to build a case on you so this can further confirm you I think. my scum team Regarding my scum team - I previously had sugarfluff, shirokami, and one other (likely casey or targe I said). I really thought shiro was going to flip red because he was so scummy, which made me feel like a targe + casey team was unlikely because shiro was higher on the priority list and the team was full. Now than he flipped as terribletown I think casey and targe make a lot more sense. I'll revise my scumteam now to targe, sugarfluff, and casey. casey and targe interaction I've thought casey has had bad posting but seemed to be making a genuine effort at some point. I was waiting for him to improve and he just hasn't and the clocks struck midnight for me. The newbiness and language make it tougher to interpret his true motives and I've probably given him the benefit of the doubt too long as a result. I do think it's striking that they fail to give opinions on each other. What bothers me is similar to what spicy has brought - promising to give reads and then just never delivering. Its excuse after excuse similar to shirokami, just no useful contributions. He seems to be pointing the finger at sugarfluff now - maybe he's doing this so sugar looks better when casey flips red? sugarfluff I've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions. roleblocker? Also, if we can trust shiro saying he was roleblocked then this would suggest there is a roleblocker amongst the remaining players? I'm not really sure if we can use this information to our benefit since it may not be true. In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT. I think we can trust that shiro was roleblocked even though he was a terrible townie, he didn't have any reason to lie. Now the question is whether it was a town jailer or scum role blocker. I'm leaning towards scum role blocker unless someone claims town jailor. Vayne has been on targe for a long time and it didnt feel like a fake out scum on scum misdirect. @sugarfluff: you really need to post to get your opinions out and start posting. On May 10 2013 21:29 eSpi.Casey wrote: Give me a break..I said i would give a read on targe&vayne, but i diddent have enough time before the lynch, i told this and said i would wait until i had better time. Now you want to vote for me cause you diddent get that read in time, and cause i never voted for Targe ? Obvious i diddent vote for him cause i havent done a good read on him yet, iv done reading on other`s, and i think i was pretty active on D2 with many post`s and read`s, but i was focusing alot on Jrkirby, to much i guess. If you filter me you will see i have stated my reason`s for why i voted like i did. I will filter Sugar and comeback with my read`s on him later today. I'm looking forward to your analysis and I would like if you would also give your view on calgar. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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I'm not going to decide who I'm voting for until i hear from sugarfluff. What is curious is that both Calgar and Casey are saying that Sugar is scumy. By the numbers, one of or both of them is scum. I'm going to go through their filters and see who and who hasn't been talking to each other. Sugarfluff please give us your thoughts sooner rather than later. On May 11 2013 03:08 eSpi.Casey wrote: I have one question for everyone, its just for my personal interest. When you guys do filter reading&scum hunt, how long time do you use to make an post with an ok length and content ? I find myself spening alot of time when i try filter reading someone, and i only manage to focus on one person at the time, reading trough his post over and over again to find reason`s for that person being scummy or not. I probably spend 1 hour if i make imo, a good post&content. I read&understand english well, i struggle with some words, but all in all i dont think i misunderstand anything. Is it like this for you aswell ( not about the language, but the rest ) Il check in here tonight again when i get home, read the posts and my read`s will come in good time as promised. Length of a post doesn't matter as much as the context of it. What is important is to explain your reasoning and quote if necessary. If you can accomplish this in a few sentences then do it. When you scum hunt... look for how the person interacts with others... do they tunnel one person, do they ask questions, do they delay. I also found that looking at who they DON'T talk to is just as important. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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Calgar and sugar The two of them have been actively questioning each other and have been accused the other of being scum. This looks to be legitimate and not orchestrated to hide scum ties. On May 05 2013 11:09 calgar wrote: @sugarfluff - I don't like your posting very much so far. I understand the votes on you were a random bandwagon to try and prompt activity and what's come forth hasn't seemed very useful. I don't see you doing any hunting right now. What bothers me is that you've taken a very non-committal stance. "I would vote for this guy, this other guy seems suspicious, but I don't know what to think really" is how I would paraphrase your attitude. I feel that vayne has taken some heat (rightfully so) for poorly worded statements regarding "not enough information" and you've sidled onto others (me and jampi specifically) who brought it up first. You're sheeping right now, and that's what scum does. On May 06 2013 06:34 calgar wrote: I'm still not impressed with your posting sugarfluff. I understand you may or may not have known but that kind of tactic is something mafia like to do in order to be less threatening and noticed. I'd like to see you be more committed in taking a stand and outlining your reads. You haven't really built a case on anyone - why is that? You've outlined a small amount jarjar - is he really your top scumread right now? What do you think about shirokami lurking hard and then popping in? On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote: @sugarfluff - I guess it's fair to say I've tunneled you but you really haven't given me any reason to stop. Part of the reason I have been is to prompt you to talk more. Instead you've ignored my questions to date and that adds to my feeling of unease about you. I also really dislike your case for some of the same reasons spicydinosaur does. It seems like you've made a lot of stretches and built it on poor premises. You've factored prominently a connection (or lack therof) between me and kirby, but I fail to see the relevance here. You mention that we haven't really interacted, but naturally I'm not going to be able to interact with everyone substantially or at all in the first few days. I haven't really had much to say to several other players such as spicy and shirokami - why no case built between us then? Even if we were both mafia, we might decide to interact a whole lot. You've imagined this master plan that we have where we plan when to interact and that just doesn't make any sense to me - you can build a 'case' on anyone based on this strategy. So yeah, give me a reason to back off and I will. Until then I really don't like your play at all, and I'm surprised more people haven't been on your case for it. Are you ever going to respond to my questions? On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote: sugarfluff I've been on him a lot of the game and he hasn't really posted anything substantive in a long time. It feels like he's doing the bare minimum to get by to the next day without attracting attention. See my filter for previous reasoning as well. Another thing I didn't like is how he casually voted for shiro after things were piling up. He essentially ignored shiro in the early game and has little interaction with targe as well (only 1 brief mention) before voting shiro over targe. I get the feeling he may have piled on to save targe and therefore doesn't have any town reasoning to support his actions. On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote: So far my scumradar shows kirby and calgar as scumbuddies. Calgar gave his opinion on plenty of people, including lurkers, yet passed over kirby. Instead he focused on me. Which is fine, I don't think my first day posting was very good. But I also think his reaction was a little strong. So these two ignoring each other I found strange. They did have a conversation towards the end that gives me even more doubt. They both want JarJar off and both think Targe seems more suspicious, but both in fact make no actual attempt to save him, since as mafia they'd know he was town(or SK). The situation was pretty grim for JarJar so in theory if they are scumbuddies one could have voted for JarJar and he would certainly still have gotten lynched, but that is assuming they were worried enough about such suspicions. On the subject of Targe, my read on this guy isn't very good. He certainly doesn't seem that towny right now, short posts, not a lot of original content. I'd really like to hear Vaynes read on him now, if he has now deemed it acceptable for whatever reason. Calgar and Casey The two of them talk even less than calgar and sugar. However Calgar does accuse Casey to be scum with Sugar. On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote: @casey - I'll agree that he looks bad now. I think his posting started very weak but he seems to be improving some and making more of an effort to push his reads. I have a null read and I'm very hesitant here because in my last game there was a very similar player who I (as town) tried to push as a lynch candidate most of the game, and he ended up town. While I realize that past games have no direct relevance, I see a lot of similarities in play so that's how I'm personally inclined to lean now. I'm on the fence between bad towny play and scummy play. Definitely would like to see him explain his thoughts more thoroughly push reads. I can see either targe or casey being scum but I have my doubts as to whether they both are. vayne mentions about a red herring and I agree with him. On May 11 2013 01:48 calgar wrote: In conclusion, I'd like to lynch casey and sugarfluff. I suppose the order doesn't matter much if we're right but I'll put my vote on casey for now. Also, I am VT. Casey and Sugar The two of them have the most bare bones interaction out of everyone. The only real analysis on each other isnt given yesterday. On May 06 2013 20:26 Sugarfluff wrote: Casey and shirokami haven't done that much, about the same as me until now I feel, although their posts have been slightly better. I'd like to see more from both of them soon. On May 11 2013 03:08 eSpi.Casey wrote: Im leaning vs sugarfluff as my most scummy read right now, but that being said, i need more time to read more filter`s. And right now i dont have that time, its weekend, im on my way out the door to a friend`s birthday party, i realize its not ideal, but i will post my read`s on calgar&sugar in good time before the lynch, and try to answear for me as good as i can, i really dont have time to even post this, but i think its sad how this game turned out with inactive player`s and i try to do as good i can to not be one of them. CONCLUSION I believe that Calgar is town, and that Sugar and Casey are the scum team. It also seems that casey is throwing sugar under the bus. Before I vote I would like to hear Vayne's thought on this analysis. | ||
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Spicydinosaur
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Calgar has asked a lot of questions, gave a heck of a lot more analysis, and responded to accusations. His filter reads mostly that he has tunneled sugar from the start. While this isn't completely an ideal town way to play, I don't find it as bad as sugar's. looking at the voting: Targe, Sugar, Casey all voted the same both days. Calgar on the other hand voted Sugar day 1 and shiro day 2. The problem with day 2 is that shiro was such a shitty player that it was hard not to vote for him. Calgar's filter also covers analysis more of other players than sugar's. On may 8th, Calgar even suspects that targe or casey may be scum but expresses hesitance because he just doesn't know. Sugar on the other hand seems like he defend's casey here: On May 08 2013 19:56 Sugarfluff wrote: Casey hasn't been that bad, although I don't have townread on him either. Shiros filter is indeed a very sad thing, and his continued delays are getting more and more suspicious. But people were already pointing out his lurking and voicing suspicions about it. I wanted to hear kirby speak up, and I wanted to see how you'd react. Quite frankly I thought you reacted poorly, but reading through my posts I realized that I never outright asked you, what do you think of kirby? You still have not given an opinion on him. This post is also quite troubling as it reads like town is making a mistake. It really reads like us lynching casey is a bad lynch. He then says the last scum will be pretty exposed without really explaining why. This just feels completely off to me. On May 12 2013 09:23 Sugarfluff wrote: Wow, we are all gonna agree on this vote. That sucks, town can't really survive another bad lynch while I guess mafia is in a less fickle situation? Still, the fact that whoever is mafia is completely willing to jump on Casey says something. At this point though I guess it's better than not doing so, Casey would get lynched anyway and then the lone scum would be pretty exposed. Yea I don't actually think you are the Godfather Vayne, although it'd line up with you claiming regular town (as a godfather would turn up as one in an investigation), just think it'd be an awesome plot twist. @vayne, I looked through Targe's filter again and he rarely talks about Calgar and Sugarfluff. he only gives a small analysis of sugar early and thats it. Calgar and targe seem to have a small bit of dialog but not much. Also went through casey's filter and he doesn't talk to either Calgar or Sugar at all. The one thing that does look interesting is when Calgar says that casey and targe could be scum, yet neither one of them respond to it, just ignore it. On May 08 2013 04:57 calgar wrote: @casey - I'll agree that he looks bad now. I think his posting started very weak but he seems to be improving some and making more of an effort to push his reads. I have a null read and I'm very hesitant here because in my last game there was a very similar player who I (as town) tried to push as a lynch candidate most of the game, and he ended up town. While I realize that past games have no direct relevance, I see a lot of similarities in play so that's how I'm personally inclined to lean now. I'm on the fence between bad towny play and scummy play. Definitely would like to see him explain his thoughts more thoroughly push reads. I can see either targe or casey being scum but I have my doubts as to whether they both are. vayne mentions about a red herring and I agree with him. Sugarfluff has put more accusations against townies and has gotten them killed while Calgar has had suspicions of a few and a couple of them turned out to be scum. As such I believe Sugarfluff is the last scum. | ||
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