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On May 05 2013 02:56 jampidampi wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:51 VayneAuthority wrote:On May 05 2013 02:44 jampidampi wrote:@Vayne: If there was nothing to discuss you could have started a discussion. If you indeed play based on logic, you could start by creating material to analyse. On May 05 2013 02:36 VayneAuthority wrote:
So far all I can tell is that this is either going to be an easy mafia victory or the mafia is giving themselves away on the first day and are indeed newbies. Guess we will find out soon enough. What gives you this feeling? Creating imaginary evidence based on emotions is not logic. What gives me this feeling is that either the town is quick to bandwagon on anything, or the mafia are being stupid and casting all their votes on me early. When I come up townie you can immediately go back and analyze who started the suspicions on me and who bandwagoned. How did you come to that conclusion?
And answear this.
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And again you the other question. If you are town you have nothing to fear, so speak your mind.
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On May 05 2013 04:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote:Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there. LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be. I'm not saying that we wouldn't actually lynch the lurkers if they continued to lurk. I'm saying that getting everyone to post is what the actual goal of the LaL policy is. You say scum can mask themselves by not lurking. Well GOOD, that's what we want.
No, I'm saying scum can mask themselves by driving policy lynches.
Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote:
And you failed to tell anyone how any of this would make me suspicious. How does anything you said point to me being scum? Because in one post you basically say that we should leave lurkers alone and let the blue roles worry about them. And then you completely 180 and say that we should pressure the Lurkers. You make this post: Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern. and then you go ahead and vote for a lurker and make this post: Show nested quote +On May 04 2013 17:20 jampidampi wrote:
My votes on you to pile up the pressure. Many votes on one lurker makes all lurker fear for their life. Even better if the vote is on an scummer. The only way to make use of day one is to make scummers fear for their life. What happened to "leaving lurkers for our blues to handle"?
I didn't make that vote to "lynch lurkers", I made that vote to pile up the pressure. It says so in the post itself. What part of it is unclear to you?
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On May 05 2013 12:31 VayneAuthority wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 08:10 nobodywonder wrote:On May 05 2013 06:20 Spicydinosaur wrote:
@nobodywonder, I am curious as to why you put a vote on VayneAuthority. All the votes up to this point have been basically to get lurkers to post. Is your vote on him because of suspicion, an attempt to motivate him in some way, or another purpose?
I am really annoyed by his day 1 logic thing. And as for the votes, not many people have voted so yeah... I vote him because I'm just annoyed, the action can be scummy, but his response I can't quite make a read...I'll clarify when he does this: On May 05 2013 06:30 VayneAuthority wrote:
Based on my analysis I will be voting for Targe. Heading out for a while so ill be back later. Interesting, you voted, but why? Please explain your logic or whatever you cling to. I will divulge if im about to be lynched, otherwise I do not want the mafia to know how I think yet. Still picking up clues from this first day. Second day is when the real hunting begins.
If you're town and think Targe is mafia, you want to share your analysis so that others also think he is mafia and lynch him. NO excuses.
On May 05 2013 09:30 JarJarDrinks wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 04:27 jampidampi wrote:On May 05 2013 04:16 JarJarDrinks wrote:On May 04 2013 23:28 jampidampi wrote:Now, to answer you about scum masking themselves w/ policy: the point of LaL is not to actually lynch the lurkers. It's to make it so there are no lurkers. We want everyone putting as much information and opinions out there. LAL = Lynch All Lurkers. How is the point of LAL not lynching the lurkers? It doesn't matter how hard you state that you will lynch all lurkers, unless you actually lynch them all there will always be lurkers. Policy lynching aims to remove a certain type of behaviour or a certain type of action from the game. If you don't enforce the policy, it may as well not be. I'm not saying that we wouldn't actually lynch the lurkers if they continued to lurk. I'm saying that getting everyone to post is what the actual goal of the LaL policy is. You say scum can mask themselves by not lurking. Well GOOD, that's what we want. No, I'm saying scum can mask themselves by driving policy lynches. Please explain what you mean by this because that's not what you said at all. You specifically said "scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker". How is that driving policy lynches?
On May 04 2013 15:08 jampidampi wrote:
I'm not sold on policy lynching. If we agree to policy lynch, it creates an easy way for scum to mask themselves in the town. And if we agree on a policy, scum can just avoid doing whatever we policy lynch for. Like just posting a bit more than the lurkiest lurker. What I suggest is leaving lurkers for our blues to handle. Scummy lurkers are shot by vigis, null lurkers are checked by cops, towny lurkers are not are a big concern.
The bolded and the underlined are two different things. Lately you have been concentrating on only me. Any opinions about others?
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On May 05 2013 18:06 shirokami wrote:@spicy My phone corrects my punctuation so my posts will not lack in that manner, the hard part is to quote and paste things. My punctuation will go worse when I have no autocorrect anymore  I'm traveling as I write back to home, still many kilometers to go but hey I will post something big after I get back home. I'm sorry for not been posting anything with content. One thing is I like jarjars posts. Will tell you later why.
Could you give an estimate how long it will take for you to come out with this big post?
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I having problems deciding which scummy fucker I lynch. There are so many scummy people running around I just can't decide which of them should run around no more. I haven't yet decided who will get my final vote, but it should become clearer to me as I construct this post.
shirokami and eSpi.Casey promised contributions, but they are nowhere to be seen.
JarJarDrinks has only tunneled me. Reading a past town game from him, he's perfectly capable of thinking multiple people at the same time, yet here he doesn't do that. JarJar is clinging on to a single thing I said, and doesn't even consider other things I say, not to mention everything everyone else says.
jrkirbys filter is a lot of nothing and a little bit lurking. In fact, I can summarize his "contributions" in two words: don't lurk. Yet that appears to be exactly what he is doing. The only other posts in his filter not about lurking are these:
On May 04 2013 12:21 jrkirby wrote:
@nobodywonder: Being VT in other games doesn't affect the probability of you being town in this game. You had the same probability of being scum as the rest of us. jrkirby notes the correct probablity works. A null post in a vacuum, but given that it is his only contribution, it is is starting to smell like scum.
On May 05 2013 03:35 jrkirby wrote:Show nested quote +On May 05 2013 02:36 nobodywonder wrote:On May 05 2013 02:22 jrkirby wrote:
Well sugarfluff has stopped lurking, so the votes on him are kinda pointless. As targe pointed out, flowcaster is lurking, and also I notice shirokami is lurking, but he try to give an excuse at least. @jrkirby, what do you think of sugarfluff's posting so far? Nothing particularly suspicious yet. jrkirby responds when called out. This is the only time we hear his opinions on any specific player.
Calgar posted some reasonings pointing to Sugarfluff being scum. link
I see little clear towntells in Sugarfluffs filter. It's not a strong read, but he isn't appearing very townie.
VayneAuthority behaviour is really scummy. I'll not repeat previous analysis, but not sharing your though process when providing your only scumread is scummy as hell. However, this and similiar things make me want to give him just a little bit on extra time. On May 04 2013 12:38 VayneAuthority wrote:
this will be rough considering it is a no clue game. First day of lynching is just purely a guess at this point, ill probably get the ball rolling later once I see some more posts
I have my suspicions on Targe too, but they aren't that significant and I want see VayneAuthority says about him before anyone else analyses him.
This ended being a big list post of more than half of the players in the game, but right now I'm up to lynching JarJar or jrkirby, unless something convincing comes up.
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Oh shirokami is here. Great. Can you comment on my analysis? Also your reason for JarJar boils down to the fact that you don't think that me and JarJar are scumbuddies. As I know I'm town, that doesn't clear him from my perspective. Any other reason you like him? Because he has tackled on a small thing ignoring everything else, and I don't see that as particulary townie.
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And do you have opinions on other people?
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On May 06 2013 04:11 shirokami wrote:
@jampidampi
I agree on the point he has been only focusing you. and thats odd. but also, he gave some good points about you. So im not really sure about your alignments. It might be that he is just focusing his scummiest read OR he is just fake contributing.
But, he indeed seems to be capable to focus many people, but is it really the real tactic?
All he has done on me boils down to his interpretation on two unclear (in retrospect) posts on my part. Then when he finally votes me, he ignores my latest response to him. That is the only thing for which he calls me scum, and it isn't very convincing.
And there are three scummers, so hunting down one will only get you so far. If you concentrate on just one person, what will you do when he flips? You are back to square one. If he flips town, you are even further behind. If you pressure multiple scumreads, you have more to analyse after your target dies. Consider a case when the rest of town doesn't listen to you. If you hadn't focused on just one guy, you'd have a second scumread, and could push for his lynch/consolidate on him.
On May 06 2013 04:13 shirokami wrote:
@Jampi
pretty null, few townvibes but nothing else on others. We will get the first few facts in next two phases and that will make the game pretty much.
Who give you townvibes? What is your read on Calgar? You mention him, but you reach no conclusion, just mention that his filter is not fun, what's that even supposed to mean? That it's scummy? That it lacks contributions? That it lacks posts?
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You don't have say you think they are town, just who they are. Do you have any better reasons for JarJar not being scum, or do I vote him?
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I'm going to get sleep. See you night one!
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jrkirby, can provide more reasons for nobodywonder being scum? Your analysis on him being scum hinges on shirokami and Espi.Casey being scum. Don't associate before the flip.
gtg, please let there be meaninful posts when I come back.
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Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip.
On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed.
Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two?
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AllHailHydraGod, mind explaining your town read on Targe?
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On May 07 2013 01:25 Sugarfluff wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 22:37 jampidampi wrote:Sugarfluff, is there any non-jrkirby related reason that Calgar is scum? You really shouldn't associate before the flip. On May 06 2013 22:06 VayneAuthority wrote:
Keep in mind this is night one and not day 2, its pretty much the same thing as day one. The real game starts after PR roles gain info and people get killed. Does this mean we won't your reasons for voting Targe until day two? I realize we will have more information when day 2 begins and those with roles have gathered some info but I thought we could begin early. Even if kirby isn't mafia Calgar seemed to pick his suspicions consciously and I definitely find that suspicious on its own. AllHailHydra seems like a good poster and I can't wait to study his reasoning's, I have to go now but looking forward to the game picking up.
Sorry, my post was a little unclear, the second part was at Vayne. I'd like to hear more about your suspicions on Calgar, how are his suspicions picked consciously? How does that make him scum?
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@Calgar
The one who's bugging me the most is eSpi.Casey. His first few post are just going with the thread flow,
agree with stuff and jumping on Vayne when the thread was against him. He states that Vayne is his #2 scumread after giving a light scumread on shirokami just because shiro wasn't posting very much at the start. Casey easily backs off his scumread on shiro when shiro starts to post, but he doesn't vote Vayne, he votes FloWcaster. His posts show that he want to vote for a "safe" target, not a player he has a scumread on. Highlighted in the underlined.
On May 06 2013 05:36 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Im trying to figure out who i should be voting for, but i find it pretty hard, i still think vayne seem`s scummy, Flowcaster seems to be replaced. I think its to little content to find a good scumread and vote for. Im tempted to vote for Vayne, but if he flip`s town we will have a total caos on day2, i put my vote on Flowcaster for now, i will be reading here before the day ends, and might change my vote from what i read and how the game evolves On May 06 2013 05:50 eSpi.Casey wrote:
Its not my final vote, as i said im tempted to vote Vayne , but i want to see how this develops the last hours, while i try read some filters and hopefully be able to place a vote a little more secure then i feel now, would be really bad if Vayne, or someone else turns town, its pretty much chaos now, and D2 would be really bad if we lynch a townnie Casey seems to sail between a JarJar lynch and a Vayne lynch. I also don't like how he belittled himself in the underlined. Town wants people to listen to them so there's no reason to give others reasons to ignore you. But if you are scum, everyone ignoring your posts makes it easier for you to blend in. On May 06 2013 07:37 eSpi.Casey wrote:
##Unvote : Flowcaster
##Vote : JarJarDrinks
Jarjar and Vayne seems as the most scumming once for me, with jarjar as the scummiest, jarjar have barly contributed, Vayne says he will contribute, but not before D2, atleast he seems more active then jarjar, im looking forward to see what you come up with on D2 Veyne, if your still here. Tomorrow i have free from work and will spend much time analytic post/filters and try to contribute more then i have done soo far. I think maybe i should have obs`ed a game before i started playing, this was a bit harder then i expected, but il try to keep up. He sees that a JarJar lynch is coming, and secures the misslynch by voting on him. All he has for night one is a post, where he accuses jrkirby, who was gathering some pressure in the thread, and agrees with HydraGod. If it wasn't already clear, I think eSpi.Casey is scum.
@HydraGod
On May 06 2013 03:52 jampidampi wrote:
JarJarDrinks has only tunneled me. Reading a past town game from him, he's perfectly capable of thinking multiple people at the same time, yet here he doesn't do that. JarJar is clinging on to a single thing I said, and doesn't even consider other things I say, not to mention everything everyone else says. The bolded part was what made me think he is scum. This was his last post at the time. Most of JarJars better posts came after that point, while I was asleep. Townies can tunnel, but they shouldn't ignore everything else that is happening.
As for my take on Sugarfluff, he was a bit wishywashy at the start, but seems to have some decent analysis.I have a pending question for him and his answear might make his alingment a little bit more clear. For now, he is null.
Targe on the other hand, is suspicious. He has some good points, but he doesn't draw conclusions. A prime example is his analysis on Vayne, shirokami and Sugarfluff in his list post.
On May 06 2013 07:05 Targe wrote:
Looks like jarjar's eating this lynch, I was hoping the voting would put some pressure on him to explain himself but he hasn't responded, annoying, if he turns out to be town that is a wasted day and a lynch, we'll be giving scum breathing room for another day.
Casey and Spicy, you really need to change your votes, flowcaster is pointless as he is about to be modkilled. Calgar, don't switch to flowcaster, that's a terrible idea because of his modkilling. Look at this post. It seems as though he knew JarJar would be lynched and flip town. He leaves a pressure vote as his final vote of the day, later claims that he would have removed it and that there were only two votes on JarJar when he leaved (there where actually four), while wanting Casey and Spicy to change their votes. How do their votes matter if he thinks JarJar will be lynched?On May 06 2013 15:25 Targe wrote:
ffs I wish I had seen that discussion and hadn't gone to bed, I only wanted to put pressure on jarjar but he posted after I went to sleep. The bolded seems off. Isn't getting people to post and thus slip up if they are scum the purpose of pressure? Targe also jumps defensive the instant he believes he is accused. I'd say he is scum.
@Vayne
I swear I will lynch you if don't deliver with the analysis on day two. Even if this is your normal playstyle, not giving reasoning to the things you say is so god damn antitown it hurts.
Making this post took longer than anticipated, so good night, hopefully I'm alive when day two rolls around.
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GG, best of luck to town.
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