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On April 08 2013 01:52 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 19:44 marvellosity wrote:On April 06 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:On April 06 2013 19:33 Tunkeg wrote:On April 06 2013 19:30 Palmar wrote:
##Unvote
##Vote Sciberbia
I think this is the direction I want to go in. Could you at least give us some reasoning? I already thought he didn't look very good, then I very much did not like his big post on Oats/Iamp. Maybe I'm insane here, but I really don't think it's reasonable to push oats at the moment. Also sciberbia has a few of those indirect question things I don't really like, I mentioned it in my first post against him, this validation seeking thing. Alright. You don't realise this because I've kept my cards close to my chest so far this game, but I agree completely with everything you've said about the people I'm suspicious of. I agree about the big post on oats/iamp. He spent several paragraphs defending iamp when he only had one serious detractor at the time (DP) and I didn't find the push on Oats very reasonable either (maybe you can guess this from my reaction). Also agreed with the validation thing - talking about setup is fine, except he kinda didn't even really give an opinion, he was just fawning at you. The problem I have is that what you picked out from WoS about his town-claim is exactly what I picked out (and incidentally made me feel much better about YOUR alignment). I find it bizarre as shit that you're the only one to mention it in those terms actually. Just to repeat for anyone who's not me & Palmar: On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time.
It felt disgusting to me, and I've not actually been able to stop thinking about it all game. It's been like the main thing in my head. Because it doesn't take very long, I went back and had a look at the opening of all WoS's games yesterday. He's always rolled town, and he's never mentioned his alignment in his opening post in any of the games he's played here so far. So in this game, he rolls town for the... 6th? time or so, and for some reason, in this game, he decides to tell us that he's town, and worse talks about feeling bad if he rolls mafia. I don't understand the mentality here at all if he's town. He's rolled town again as per usual, and for some reason this time decides to tell us that at some point he'll be shit as mafia? What? I could write more about WoS and flesh out the case if it's really necessary. Suffice to say (and basically what Palmar/Tunkeg) have said, nothing he's said or done since has alleviated the feelings I got from this first post. I think he's a better lynch than sciberbia. ##Vote: WaveOfShadow Haha wow Marv, I really expect better here from what I've heard of you. You REALLY see no town mentality behind this? How about the fact that I've played 5-6 (I forget) games now and in NONE of them I've been scum, and am therefore actually worried about the fact that when I do roll scum, I will let me team down because I'll suck? Since you're using meta to make this argument against me, maybe you should look back into my previous games and see if that fits with my meta of being unsure of myself, speaking my mind, telling the truth, etc. So many people always looking so much into what's not there. You'd think after seeing so many other people do it and fail all the time I'd learn this lesson myself when concocting mad conspiracy theories. By all means though, if you think a townclaim on a whim is enough to get me lynched, go for it. You said you don't even remember why you unvoted me in the first place, right?
Right, so you're worried about when you rolled scum. Except, apparently, you didn't roll scum. So why even talk about it? What's the point? You didn't feel the need to talk about it in your previous 5 town games, and yet you receive your TOWN role here and say that you're worried about when you roll MAFIA, which isn't this game. Apparently. Sense it make not.
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On April 07 2013 09:11 Ace wrote:
I don't know, maybe I'm not good at explaining my thoughts here. I completely understand he made no claim. He said he did. Which is why I asked right after for him to point it out to me. Does this part make sense?
can you please explain why this is in any way interesting
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On April 08 2013 02:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Actually....null on Tunkeg. I'd like to see more from him and the pressure on me seems genuine but I'm not really sure what the post about giving me an 'out' is about.
Actually he was extremely explicit, I don't know what you're confused about.
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like i don't claim to fully understand everything that goes on in every game, far from it, but mostly i can see where people are going with something even if i don't fully understand it or think it's useful.
i just don't understand why this claim thing is in any way interesting to you and it must be because you've spent a great deal of time with it.
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On April 08 2013 02:41 Ace wrote:
I've got you in Priority 1 right now. I don't know if you're just lazy or still fucking around like this isn't the time to get serious but a "lynch reyn" post is amongst a few others where you just show up and don't even comment on the current situation and say something useless. The only reason you won't get lynched, as you and I both know very well, is that these players hesitate to lynch "vets" and quickly throw town their town reads out leading to stagnation.
Rubbish, I will happily lynch Palmar in any game, but I've seen no reason to do so this game.
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On April 08 2013 02:50 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 09:11 Ace wrote:
I don't know, maybe I'm not good at explaining my thoughts here. I completely understand he made no claim. He said he did. Which is why I asked right after for him to point it out to me. Does this part make sense? can you please explain why this is in any way interesting
I posted this yesterday to explain my requested roleclaim of WoS. I don't see what's uninteresting about this, or why you just pulled this one post out of no where. Where are you going with this?
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On April 08 2013 02:26 Palmar wrote:
@marv. Write me a list of three or four names that are the scumteam. No reasoning needed at all.
Also, write me a list of 5 town reads. Use at least two one sentence to justify your read.
If you can't read me properly by now, I see little reason to dance to your tune.
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Perhaps you and I have a different definition of the word serious then.
[spoiler]On April 05 2013 10:45 Ace wrote:
not even around and my name is being mentioned. Im in all your heads living rent free.
On April 06 2013 12:32 Ace wrote:
is Rayne always this impulsive?
On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster
lazy vote here. Ill call that being Palmar-like
On April 07 2013 08:40 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 08:39 iamperfection wrote:
it pretty clear that wos didn't claim anything ace shhhh....
[spoiler]
Less than Palmar sure, but not the beacon of seriousness you seem to think you are..
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I only see one of those posts as joking around. Guess we do have different definitions of seriousness.
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On April 08 2013 02:54 Ace wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 02:50 prplhz wrote:On April 07 2013 09:11 Ace wrote:
I don't know, maybe I'm not good at explaining my thoughts here. I completely understand he made no claim. He said he did. Which is why I asked right after for him to point it out to me. Does this part make sense? can you please explain why this is in any way interesting I posted this yesterday to explain my requested roleclaim of WoS. I don't see what's uninteresting about this, or why you just pulled this one post out of no where. Where are you going with this?
here's the timeline the way i see it:
WoS does his silly town claim huh
WoS says he's already claimed muh
you ask WoS where it is bah
marv said that he never claimed
you attack marv for not voting for WoS even though marv should know that WoS is a liar oof
you never vote WoS despite saying that marv should vote WoS because marv thinks that WoS is a liar (i still don't see how the lie has anything to do with his alignment). at the same time it's pretty clear that you also know that WoS is lying meh.
i don't understand why this whole claim thing is interesting, i already pointed out that he was talking about his town claim and nobody else thought he had actually claimed (people would of course have noticed if he had). can you explain to me why it is interesting because i can't really explain why it's uninteresting, i just simply don't see how this will help us deduce any alignment at all that some dude posted an offhand remark about something he said earlier.
i don't see why you think i'm pulling this out of nowhere since i complained about it yesterday after you told me to ask you questions if i didn't understand your play and you never answered my question. the place i am going with this is the place where you answer me why this is in any way interesting, what were you hoping to get out of this? it seems to me from you "shhhh" post that there was some sort of semisecret plan here so maybe tell me about that.
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you just seem to use a lot of your time on a dumb offhand remark about nothing that everybody knows is about nothing and that consequently also leads to nothing.
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like did you expect WoS to claim mafia after you asked him about the claim thing or what exactly were you trying with this entire claim ordeal? including the part where you attack marv for not voting WoS.
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i just don't understand any of it. so any clarifying explanation you can give would be greatly appreciated.
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I didn't vote WoS yet only because I was waiting on him to come in and explain himself after the "where is the claim I can't find it?" post. I don't know if you read my last response with WoS but it's all cleared up on that end. WoS didn't understand what I was asking and I didn't understand what he meant by stating he already claimed.
The marv part was me seeing marv following the same thought process I was and not seeing the potential WoS lie. Unlike WoS who I had a misunderstanding with, marv says WoS didn't claim. If he didn't claim, but he stated he did claim then there is a lie there. Marv somehow missed that. Since marv claims to be a good player I don't see how he could have missed that. Does this make sense now? and yes the shhhh post was me hoping iamp didn't spoil a potential trap 
But we've already moved past the claim thing. The issue is resolved.
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@Ace: i am entirely convinced that if I built a case on either you or marv, I could get my target lynched. Your comment that these players will not lynch veterans is false. The reason I won't get lynched is that I don't look like scum.
Also I'm curious to know, do you think I'm mafia or town?
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On April 08 2013 03:17 Ace wrote:I didn't vote WoS yet only because I was waiting on him to come in and explain himself after the "where is the claim I can't find it?" post. I don't know if you read my last response with WoS but it's all cleared up on that end. WoS didn't understand what I was asking and I didn't understand what he meant by stating he already claimed. The marv part was me seeing marv following the same thought process I was and not seeing the potential WoS lie. Unlike WoS who I had a misunderstanding with, marv says WoS didn't claim. If he didn't claim, but he stated he did claim then there is a lie there. Marv somehow missed that. Since marv claims to be a good player I don't see how he could have missed that. Does this make sense now? and yes the shhhh post was me hoping iamp didn't spoil a potential trap But we've already moved past the claim thing. The issue is resolved.
how did we move past it? aren't we discussing it now or something? can you be past something that you're discussing right now?
you just attacked marv for not voting WoS while he thought that WoS was lying
and at the very moment you are not voting WoS even though you obviously think that WoS was lying
that's just complete bullshit
you knew WoS had not claimed because your entire trap relies on the fact that he had not claimed. also, if you don't want someone to ruin your trap you probably shouldn't quote a post and write "SSHHH ABOUT THAT IT'S A BIG SECRET". it all seems really phony and completely useless.
nobody should be voting WoS anyway for a "lie" like that, that doesn't show in any way that WoS is scum. either he was kidding around or he thought he had claimed (or like it really was, he had claimed but people failed to notice it) but none of those scenarios point at him being scum.
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I'm curious about a few things, Ace.
First of all, before you showed up I was already at L-1 and having tried to give town something to use upon my death, someone unvoted me. Marv, I believe. It only got better after that point, not worse and what saved my life were the posts I made before you showed up. Therefore, no need to 'blueclaim' to save my life since it was already saved, yet you show up after and tell me I shouldn't hesitate to claim my role, since you didn't believe I already did. Why try to get a claim out of me?
Second, I am unsure as to what 'trap' exactly you were trying to set. Why would I explicitly lie about a claim like that? I am aware it turned out to be a misunderstanding, but do you think that as scum I would expect to just lie and get out of being under suspicion magically somehow?
The fact that prplhz sees all the same things I do pretty clearly makes me suspect his scumminess if his thoughts are coming from the same place as mine, which troubles me. Prplhz, can I get something else resembling town-assisting attitude from you? If you're actually town and not scum (which is still hard for me to believe given your activity and vote choices/timing) please contribute positively.
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On April 07 2013 05:11 Ace wrote:
I've been busy WoS. I actually don't think you should be lynched at the moment, as I think Oats is a far bigger distraction. Marv is just talking nonsense as always.
WoS since you're at L-2 right now don't hesitate to claim when the next person votes.I'm not gonna hammer you unless that situation resolves itself. For now tho:
##vote: Oatsmaster
what you mean by that? marv wins a lot of his town games and usually has great reads, i think you're the only one in this game who thinks that marv is just talking nonsense, and surely the only one who think that that's what he always does.
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Hey Prp,
Asking you about your past
Why did you post this,
On April 06 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote:
can anybody tell me why axlegreaser is town
sleep or something
then
On April 07 2013 02:27 prplhz wrote:
##Vote WaveofShadow
busy might post more later. palmar and marv both on this one so it's probably good. skimmed tunkeg's case and it looked alright though i didn't really get all of it.
and never talk about Axle again?
also
On April 07 2013 11:39 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Prlphz: who do you find scummy right now and why? internally debating whether i should answer that i don't really have any scum reads or just ignore the question. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 11:07 prplhz wrote:On April 07 2013 10:18 Ace wrote:
@prp what don't you understand? I think my thought process this game is easy to follow but I'll clear anything up you have questions about. i don't see why WoS "lying" about having claimed makes him in any way scum and you seem like you want marv to vote him for just that in this and this post. and at the same time it looks like you also know that WoS is lying here but that doesn't move you to vote him. i still don't see why WoS lying about that would make him scum and like i already pointed out, i don't think he was lying. meh
You have no scumreads but your vote is on WoS? Am I misunderstanding something?
Also the claim was just from a weird perspective by WoS, drop it please.
Also any reads? Other than WoS who I assume is still your scumread.
Also this(your filter) looks very different from Nomination and Red Team.
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On April 08 2013 03:51 Oatsmaster wrote:Hey Prp, Asking you about your past Why did you post this, Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 04:49 prplhz wrote:
can anybody tell me why axlegreaser is town sleep or something then Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 02:27 prplhz wrote:
##Vote WaveofShadow
busy might post more later. palmar and marv both on this one so it's probably good. skimmed tunkeg's case and it looked alright though i didn't really get all of it. and never talk about Axle again? no one took notice of my initial post on axle and some people actually had town reads on axle so i asked what was up. later, i didn't have a lot of time so i skimmed the biggest case and decided it was alright.Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 11:39 prplhz wrote:On April 07 2013 11:12 WaveofShadow wrote:
Prlphz: who do you find scummy right now and why? internally debating whether i should answer that i don't really have any scum reads or just ignore the question. On April 07 2013 11:07 prplhz wrote:On April 07 2013 10:18 Ace wrote:
@prp what don't you understand? I think my thought process this game is easy to follow but I'll clear anything up you have questions about. i don't see why WoS "lying" about having claimed makes him in any way scum and you seem like you want marv to vote him for just that in this and this post. and at the same time it looks like you also know that WoS is lying here but that doesn't move you to vote him. i still don't see why WoS lying about that would make him scum and like i already pointed out, i don't think he was lying. meh You have no scumreads but your vote is on WoS? Am I misunderstanding something? Also the claim was just from a weird perspective by WoS, drop it please. Also any reads? Other than WoS who I assume is still your scumread. Also this(your filter) looks very different from Nomination and Red Team.
keyword is "really", i'm not very confident in anything. yes my vote is on WoS he could be scum. it still is because i didn't even consider removing it, he's not in immediate danger and he could be scum.
can't really comment on the meta thing, guess that's your opinion or whatever. i'm pretty sure i was under a lot of heavy fire d1 in red team for being a lurker too so i can't really relate to what you're saying about how this isn't looking like red team. other people are obviously seeing the same thing in both filters.
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