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On April 08 2013 04:37 Tunkeg wrote:
I will give this a final push now that we got a deadline. Lynch fucking WoS!
He haven't even bothered answering my call out to him, and haven't even bothered to make a singular attempt at making one good case on prplhz! He is basicly in the thread doing nothing!!!
Tell me what I can do to convince you guys that he is scum? Because I am certain he is! And frankly I am great at catching scum (no matter what you believe/I am just bad at pushing them). I very rarely have my vote on someone that isn't scum, the only exceptions are when I get agitated at someone and let my anger cloud my judgement. I am in no way angry at WoS, I have read and analysed him with an open mind, I have reevaluated my stance on him (comming to the same conclusion as before), and I am certain, 100 % that he is scum. I know some of you think I am a clown who can't play this fucking game, well, if I am wrong here you can go back to thinking I am just a shit player, but I am not, and you will credit me for this lynch. WoS is my wagon, and my lynch. Now get on it! You will thank me later!
You're wrong, and I'm not getting lynched today.
I could revert back to a lynch on Ace, marv/Palmar since I am less sure of prplhz now as per my reasoning earlier. I don't know if you'd call scib not voting me a 'save' per se, but no he did not vote for me if I remember correctly.
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Also Palmar, you're terrible if you think I have a decent chance of being mafia.
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@Palmar
I'm neither distant not uninterested. I spent like 8 hours on this game yesterday and I'll be here until the lynch.
Also, I was not actually around when WoS had 6 votes I think. I think I came back shortly after marv unvoted. Don't know why it matters though. I clearly would not have hammered him as either alignment after stating I think he is town.
And why is one of me / WoS scum? I don't see any reason to think that is necessarily true. Or marv / Ace for that matter.
Working on a post to marv. Should be done soon.
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On April 08 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 04:37 Tunkeg wrote:
I will give this a final push now that we got a deadline. Lynch fucking WoS!
He haven't even bothered answering my call out to him, and haven't even bothered to make a singular attempt at making one good case on prplhz! He is basicly in the thread doing nothing!!!
Tell me what I can do to convince you guys that he is scum? Because I am certain he is! And frankly I am great at catching scum (no matter what you believe/I am just bad at pushing them). I very rarely have my vote on someone that isn't scum, the only exceptions are when I get agitated at someone and let my anger cloud my judgement. I am in no way angry at WoS, I have read and analysed him with an open mind, I have reevaluated my stance on him (comming to the same conclusion as before), and I am certain, 100 % that he is scum. I know some of you think I am a clown who can't play this fucking game, well, if I am wrong here you can go back to thinking I am just a shit player, but I am not, and you will credit me for this lynch. WoS is my wagon, and my lynch. Now get on it! You will thank me later! You're wrong, and I'm not getting lynched today. I could revert back to a lynch on Ace, marv/Palmar since I am less sure of prplhz now as per my reasoning earlier. I don't know if you'd call scib not voting me a 'save' per se, but no he did not vote for me if I remember correctly.
Hmm, I missed that you'd backed off prplhz when I made my post back there. I think that makes Ace my clear preference to die.
##Vote: Ace
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I will be around until deadline. Am I correct in assuming we do not want today to end in a no-lynch? I know that iamp will probably be mad at me for letting his wagon get derailed but I just don't feel as strongly about prplhz as I did.
I'm still waiting on Ace's response to my last post, so:
##Unvote: prplhz
##Vote: Ace
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I mean I could lynch rayn just to get rid of him, but that doesn't seem very productive.
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On April 08 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 04:37 Tunkeg wrote:
I will give this a final push now that we got a deadline. Lynch fucking WoS!
He haven't even bothered answering my call out to him, and haven't even bothered to make a singular attempt at making one good case on prplhz! He is basicly in the thread doing nothing!!!
Tell me what I can do to convince you guys that he is scum? Because I am certain he is! And frankly I am great at catching scum (no matter what you believe/I am just bad at pushing them). I very rarely have my vote on someone that isn't scum, the only exceptions are when I get agitated at someone and let my anger cloud my judgement. I am in no way angry at WoS, I have read and analysed him with an open mind, I have reevaluated my stance on him (comming to the same conclusion as before), and I am certain, 100 % that he is scum. I know some of you think I am a clown who can't play this fucking game, well, if I am wrong here you can go back to thinking I am just a shit player, but I am not, and you will credit me for this lynch. WoS is my wagon, and my lynch. Now get on it! You will thank me later! You're wrong, and I'm not getting lynched today. I could revert back to a lynch on Ace, marv/Palmar since I am less sure of prplhz now as per my reasoning earlier. I don't know if you'd call scib not voting me a 'save' per se, but no he did not vote for me if I remember correctly.
You will get lynched today if I have anything to say! And what kind of ludicriss silly defense is this??!?! You thought you could just sweep my aggression under the rug, and you thought you could ignore my request. Now here we are, and I will push you like a mad man.
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Although I am kinda tempted just to sheep Tunkeg as well, if my ego lets me. I dunno.
Ball is kinda in your court, Palmar.
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On April 08 2013 04:57 marvellosity wrote:
I mean I could lynch rayn just to get rid of him, but that doesn't seem very productive.
My thoughts exactly, which is why I was confused at people jumping along with Axle's assumptions of my intentions towards him. I don't see town motivation for acting the way Rayn did, but I can't 100% see scum acting that fucking crazy; draws too much unwarranted attention and it wasn't exactly spamming under the guise of being productive, like BH.
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On April 08 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote:
Although I am kinda tempted just to sheep Tunkeg as well, if my ego lets me. I dunno.
Ball is kinda in your court, Palmar.
DO IT!
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Its HAMMA TIME
##Unvote
Vote: Ace
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On April 08 2013 04:58 Tunkeg wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote:On April 08 2013 04:37 Tunkeg wrote:
I will give this a final push now that we got a deadline. Lynch fucking WoS!
He haven't even bothered answering my call out to him, and haven't even bothered to make a singular attempt at making one good case on prplhz! He is basicly in the thread doing nothing!!!
Tell me what I can do to convince you guys that he is scum? Because I am certain he is! And frankly I am great at catching scum (no matter what you believe/I am just bad at pushing them). I very rarely have my vote on someone that isn't scum, the only exceptions are when I get agitated at someone and let my anger cloud my judgement. I am in no way angry at WoS, I have read and analysed him with an open mind, I have reevaluated my stance on him (comming to the same conclusion as before), and I am certain, 100 % that he is scum. I know some of you think I am a clown who can't play this fucking game, well, if I am wrong here you can go back to thinking I am just a shit player, but I am not, and you will credit me for this lynch. WoS is my wagon, and my lynch. Now get on it! You will thank me later! You're wrong, and I'm not getting lynched today. I could revert back to a lynch on Ace, marv/Palmar since I am less sure of prplhz now as per my reasoning earlier. I don't know if you'd call scib not voting me a 'save' per se, but no he did not vote for me if I remember correctly. You will get lynched today if I have anything to say! And what kind of ludicriss silly defense is this??!?! You thought you could just sweep my aggression under the rug, and you thought you could ignore my request. Now here we are, and I will push you like a mad man.
I've already stated I didn't want to spend the rest of the day defending myself, I'd rather try to accomplish something useful; I'd like to think I've done so in my pursuit of the discussion with Ace/prplhz so we'll see.
Also it's spelled ![[image loading]](http://userserve-ak.last.fm/serve/252/2917592.jpg)
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My only problem with Ace is that he does this silly trap thing as town too, I remember arguing for a long time with him when he created one of those stupid traps, I ignored it and explained why and how I was town, and somehow I had fallen into his trap. Obviously we were both town.
Anyway I do agree Ace spent a lot of time this game obsessing about stuff I found irrelevant or stupid. But again, the no-hammer on WoS is still bothering me.
@marv you've just said a few things that I did not expect you to say, thus I can't help but feel there is a chance something is off.
But maybe there isn't something off, and reducing the pool would be quite helpful.
I'll talk more later.
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Votecount:
sciberbia (2): raynpelikoneet, Palmar
WaveofShadow (3): Tunkeg, prplhz, AxleGreaser
prplhz (1): iamperfection
marvellosity (1): Ace
Ace (3): marvellosity, WaveofShadow, Oatsmaster
Not voting (2): sciberbia, DarthPunk
7 votes needed to lynch.
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Well marv, you successfully made me feel better about you. I still think you could be scum, but some of my concerns are alleviated, and I have no interest in lynching you today. So let's talk about some stuff.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
Just to repeat, you spent half a very long analysis post defending someone who was under attack from one person, and attacked someone else who I thought and still think is clearly a bad lynch. In doing so, you completely ignored WoS who had been under some suspicion, and who may yet still be mafia. I didn't / do not understand why you devoted so much of that post to talking about someone quite townie in iamp rather than talking about someone much more controversial in WoS, who you left until much later. This not-talking-about WoS, in conjunction with the long (in my opinion kinda weird) post on iamp and Oats, gave me more the feeling of that mini you rolled mafia, where the primary determinant of seeing you as mafia is that although your posts looked ok, you seemed pretty disconnected with the thread, whereas as town you're much more in the thick of things. At any rate, even though it took ~48 hours, you now ARE more in the thick of things (even if it is with suspicion of me) and so I'm backing down from thinking you're a good lynch right now.
It seems we had different reads on the thread temperature at the time. It seemed to me that you had some sort of scumread on iamp, Palmar's vote was on him, and DP also had a substantial scumread. I didn't have the feeling that WoS was a more pressing issue.
Anyway, I can see the reasoning that you might have used to think I am scum. Yesterday, my impression was "meh a couple of things felt off to me about scib so sure let's kill him why not". But, I now see that you thought you had a reason to be concerned that I was talking about Iamp and not WoS (who I then later defended), and I think more townie of you for your WoS + scib paranoia.
Also, I can see you trying and failing to correctly use a couple of heuristics:
- that people that attack Oats are scum
- and that scib is out of touch with the thread as scum
It also makes me feel better that you now have a townread on Palmar and have reservations about lynching me.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
In any case, if a scum-marv wanted to get you lynched, dear, I'd make sure I did so in a pretty airtight fashion. Literally every single vote I ever cast as mafia is backed up by "rock solid" reasoning, to prevent stuff like *this* happening to me. What's happening right here happens to me when I'm town; e.g. Personality I was attacked for throwing votes around Day 1, e.g. "##vote: Stutters. let's see how this goes" Or in Fruity mafia a mafia Toad spent his entire time alive (until i had him killed) trying to discredit me for a vote I put on him which had very little reasoning other than "yeah i agree with sand". Anyone with any passing familiarity with my scumplay should know I never look bad for my votes. It's just basic stuff.
I'm not thinking about this argument too much.
+ Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
I was feeling pretty good about this game yesterday afternoon because Palmar had the same two reads I had with basically the same reasoning. Except I fleshed out why I found WoS scummier and Palmar ended up on my wagon, and Palmar fleshed out why he found sciberbia scummier and I ended up on his wagon, but I'm mafia? If nothing else this is monumentally inconsistent and confusing.
I'm confused by your saying that I am "monumentally inconsistent and confusing" but not saying I'm scum for it. Do you think I'm being monumentally inconsistent and confusing but that I'm town?
Anyway, it's not that I think more townie of Palmar for pushing me, but I was already thinking town on Palmar due to the rest of his filter, and I was already slightly worried about you due to the rest of your filter.
Also, you've seen me play quite a bit and I know you think I'm an asset to town. As far as Palmar is concerned, I'm just some guy who beat him as scum by surviving to the end of the game. So when I see you both pushing my lynch and I don't see a lot of great reasoning for it, it reflects worse on you than it does on Palmar.
On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
Going back to the Oats thing, no I don't find DP suspicious for attacking Oats because like I mentioned before I hold you in a higher regard than him, and I hold you in a significantly higher regard than a town-Ace, who couldn't make a good read if he was in a fucking library. Since I started playing here a year ago, I've only ever seen town-Ace champion town lynches or get mislynched himself. He's awful as town.
OK. But Palmar clearly thinks both yourself and Oats might be scum, and you have a townread on Palmar. I still think the "you should be able to see Oats is town" is a bad scumtell on me or anyone else for that matter. Mafia isn't an easy game.
For what it's worth, I'm also feeling better about Oats recently. He seems to be trying to move the thread forward now, and he is consistent in his defense of you and eagerness to sheep you. Can you point me to one of his scum games? I couldn't find any.
On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
For some reason people don't seem to care that Ace is highly inconsistent with himself starting from about last night. He tells us that there is no good reason for unvoting WaveofShadow, and then concedes that his posts felt genuine - so... this is a good reason to unvote WaveofShadow. He also says "this" - I don't know what "this" is - was the reason that Ace "unvoted" him. Ace never had his vote on him. A small mistake perhaps, but in The Game Ace almost led a blatantly town VE to the gallows for "lying". I said yesterday at some point that I couldn't really read Ace as mafia because he didn't seem to be pushing any agenda; I can't say that now.
I noticed that Ace had a few inconsistenices. For example, he said he unvoted WoS but his vote was not on WoS. Also, to beat the dead horse, it didn't make sense to think WoS is scum for "lying" about having claimed, because there is no scum motivation there.
But I also don't see any scum motivation for Ace's inconsistencies. I haven't had any reason to think Ace is scum. But I see you just posted something on him so I'll look at that.
@Axle I know you asked me something earlier, but I'm more interested in figuring out who we should lynch than answering it right now. Remind me later.
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On April 08 2013 05:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Also it's spelled
No its not.
Also im tempted to unvote so I can actually be the hammer.
hehehe
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On April 08 2013 05:02 Palmar wrote:
My only problem with Ace is that he does this silly trap thing as town too, I remember arguing for a long time with him when he created one of those stupid traps, I ignored it and explained why and how I was town, and somehow I had fallen into his trap. Obviously we were both town.
Anyway I do agree Ace spent a lot of time this game obsessing about stuff I found irrelevant or stupid. But again, the no-hammer on WoS is still bothering me.
@marv you've just said a few things that I did not expect you to say, thus I can't help but feel there is a chance something is off.
But maybe there isn't something off, and reducing the pool would be quite helpful.
I'll talk more later.
Let me just turn this back around on you, and you maybe can understand why it's stupid. One of the things you found off was the bugs/policy lynch/serious thing. Fine, we've talked about this.
The other part you found off was the fact that like a few pages in to Day 1 I wasn't reading you as strongly town.
Look at this situation, where I've given you a fuckload more material to work with than you had me by that stage, and you're still wishy washy on my alignment. That is *way* more "off", if you want to call it so, than me not being strong town on you during the beginning of the game. Flip it around and see things from my point of view. The difference is, I'm not pursuing you for it like a nonce, although I could be.
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Marv why have you expressed such willingness to sheep Tunkeg without analysis of his case on me? I'm curious.
On April 07 2013 01:46 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 01:37 Tunkeg wrote:
This is the guy to lynch today. I give you the Tunkeg guarantee that he is scum. Good enough for me. And I'm not even kidding.
On April 08 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote:
Although I am kinda tempted just to sheep Tunkeg as well, if my ego lets me. I dunno.
Ball is kinda in your court, Palmar.
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On April 08 2013 05:03 sciberbia wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
I was feeling pretty good about this game yesterday afternoon because Palmar had the same two reads I had with basically the same reasoning. Except I fleshed out why I found WoS scummier and Palmar ended up on my wagon, and Palmar fleshed out why he found sciberbia scummier and I ended up on his wagon, but I'm mafia? If nothing else this is monumentally inconsistent and confusing.
I'm confused by your saying that I am "monumentally inconsistent and confusing" but not saying I'm scum for it. Do you think I'm being monumentally inconsistent and confusing but that I'm town?
This wasn't really a specific bitch at you at all, actually. It was more confusion that I was being pushed for pushing the exact 2 reads that Palmar was pushing, and yet magically somehow I'm in trouble for it and he's not. But never mind, that isn't important at all.
Anyway, it's not that I think more townie of Palmar for pushing me, but I was already thinking town on Palmar due to the rest of his filter, and I was already slightly worried about you due to the rest of your filter.
Also, you've seen me play quite a bit and I know you think I'm an asset to town. As far as Palmar is concerned, I'm just some guy who beat him as scum by surviving to the end of the game. So when I see you both pushing my lynch and I don't see a lot of great reasoning for it, it reflects worse on you than it does on Palmar.
Ok, this helps me understand your perspective, and it makes sense.
Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 20:31 marvellosity wrote:
Going back to the Oats thing, no I don't find DP suspicious for attacking Oats because like I mentioned before I hold you in a higher regard than him, and I hold you in a significantly higher regard than a town-Ace, who couldn't make a good read if he was in a fucking library. Since I started playing here a year ago, I've only ever seen town-Ace champion town lynches or get mislynched himself. He's awful as town.
OK. But Palmar clearly thinks both yourself and Oats might be scum, and you have a townread on Palmar. I still think the "you should be able to see Oats is town" is a bad scumtell on me or anyone else for that matter. Mafia isn't an easy game. For what it's worth, I'm also feeling better about Oats recently. He seems to be trying to move the thread forward now, and he is consistent in his defense of you and eagerness to sheep you. Can you point me to one of his scum games? I couldn't find any.
Scum in LIX, I was smurfing as FiveTouch if you want to check my filter and how early I caught him. My first post I believe.
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