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Okay let's do this.
Also if we lynch him he's a liar and we must lynch all liars, since he said this town wouldn't lynch a veteran player.
And finally there are multiple things I find strange about him, just nothing I can say is conclusively scummy. But he is focusing on silly secret tactics, not giving much opinion on who to lynch or trying to push his lynch. He is not attempting to take any kind of a leadership role, and wanting to rather just weigh in here and there.
If I hadn't seen Ace be a useless shit at town before I'd call him scum, but I'm not sure.
whatever #yolo let's kill ace.
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On April 08 2013 05:07 WaveofShadow wrote:Marv why have you expressed such willingness to sheep Tunkeg without analysis of his case on me? I'm curious. Show nested quote +On April 07 2013 01:46 marvellosity wrote:On April 07 2013 01:37 Tunkeg wrote:
This is the guy to lynch today. I give you the Tunkeg guarantee that he is scum. Good enough for me. And I'm not even kidding. Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 04:59 marvellosity wrote:
Although I am kinda tempted just to sheep Tunkeg as well, if my ego lets me. I dunno.
Ball is kinda in your court, Palmar.
Reading the thread is a useful skill. The first quote came after Tunkeg's case which came *after* I had laid my votes on you with my reasons. So it was saying I agree with some banter
Second post, if you would read the post I made within the last twenty minutes, it should be kinda obvious and I have no idea why you're asking me this question when it's on the last page of the thread why I could kill you.
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No it's your constant buddy-buddying of Tunkeg that gets at me, and yet no one's had a look at him. I'm pretty sure he's town but if this Ace train is actually a-rollin' all the way to the finish line it gives me time to look into him.
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ok, I lied. It's two pages ago now :D
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On April 08 2013 05:16 WaveofShadow wrote:
No it's your constant buddy-buddying of Tunkeg that gets at me, and yet no one's had a look at him. I'm pretty sure he's town but if this Ace train is actually a-rollin' all the way to the finish line it gives me time to look into him.
Well, there isn't really a fancy explanation for this, but Tunkeg and I have had a ..... fractious, shall we say, history. I came into this game not wanting to have a shitfest with him (I believe I alluded to this before the game started) like I usually do, so I'm being nicer with him than I'd normally be with people within a game. Plus his push is good, so that helps.
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Alright. Still gonna have a look at him and maybe I can kill two birds with one stone and get him to help us hammer Ace at the same time.
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i also don't like how ace just dismissed my pokes with "we've moved on" and then disappeared.
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i can't believe #yolo caught on but not #ghostbusters
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On April 07 2013 01:37 Tunkeg wrote:So I will leave for the evening now. I will leave you with this. Lynch WoS. Why? - His entry into thread is just total bullshit. He claims town, he tries to engage in a meaningless discussion with sci about optimal townplay, and last and most important he votes for Ace in a horrible way. Two first parts of his post looks to me like he is just trying to be active, last part looks like he is trying to join a bandwagon with absolute crap reason. + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time.
Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general.
And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make.
I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway.
##Vote: Ace - He is softpushing a target that have mention him as one of his scumreads. He does this by trying to make other take stances on him, perhaps to make them be the wagonpushers? By the end it looks like rayn is his main target but he refuses to push for him, he sticks with Ace. Very strange to me. + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. On April 05 2013 12:14 WaveofShadow wrote:
Rayn's filter is now 3 pages long and it is 3 hours into the game. This is inexcusable in my opinion, as is his constant inane shitposting. From this point forward unless he changes his methodology I will hereby be ignoring any and all 'contributions' he has made. I'm not sure what other people's opinions are regarding him but I really don't feel like entertaining this kind of baseless annoying bullshit, so discuss with him and give him a forum if you must but I will take no part in it.
DP, welcome to the thread. You've mentioned you have no reads thus far; I can appreciate that. Anything to add at all regarding Ace? On April 06 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote:Thanks Oats. And while I have mentioned I don't want to entertain rayn in any way, my desire to assist the town by forming coherent reads on me trumps my dislike for him. Plus it's technically answering a question from marv anyway. The first half of Rayn's ridiculous filter where he talks about how scummy I am is literally him saying "LOOK AT HOW SCUMMY HE IS DID YOU JUST READ HIS POST HERP DERP" without even offering any explanation of his own. I don't know in what world people seem to think spamming of that sort is actually useful or town-aligned in any way, but whatever. Like, he switches from scib to me to iamp and back to me to Axle AND THEN BACK TO ME in the span of 3 hours and offers no proper explanation for ANY of those switches. Clearly he doesn't expect us to take him seriously, but that in itself isn't exactly town-aligned---as town you want your votes and reasoning to be heard and recognized as scumhunting, not seen as useless spam. The second half of his filter is him picking a line or two from my posts and saying "THIS IS SCUMMY, HEY EGO MM PLAYER #XX, WHAT DO YOU THINK?" Useless, shitposting, means nothing once again. With that rationale anyone can take any line from anyone's filter, point it out and ask someone better than them what they think and call that scumhunting. This is the best thing Rayn has posted to date: Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 20:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time. There is no need to say this. This doesn't say shit. Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general. General information, doesn't say anything. And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make.
I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway.
##Vote: Ace First he is saying he's going with marv. So he is voting for Ace because marv is voting for Ace? Another "reason" for Ace vote is "because Ace is scary as scum". roflskates. So we should kill every strong player because if they are scum they are scary? If this is a pressure vote it's like the worst pressure vote i have ever seen because the reasons are so terrible. WoS is not even taking responsibility from his own vote, as he is just "sheeping marv". Other than that his posts are about me "shitposting". Yes i might have not reasoned why i think some people are scum, but at least i am telling i think some people are scum. And i think you are one. His reasoning where he compares himself to me at the end is laughable since as I pointed out earlier his earlier scumreads are based on literally NOTHING. This is the only 'case' of any real substance he has posted thus far so having the balls to call someone scum means absolutely nothing to me coming from him. As far as his reasoning to why I'm scummy for voting Ace? I stand by it. I have been told that Ace is one of those players who you're apparently supposed to just kill if he's still alive at some point. Ok, maybe this doesn't mean we kill him D1 but it does mean that if he is scum, as a fairly new player who has barely played with Ace I should be afraid of him. As far as Rayn suggesting that I'm saying we kill every strong player because if they're scum they are scary, I don't say that anywhere, but it does seem to be the rationale on which some later lynches on strong players are based. Maybe Rayn should look up the people he's playing with a little. As far as sheeping Marv goes, good for you, Rayn, you pointed out what I already pointed out. Want a cookie? Basing a scumread he has pushed so crazily on 3 posts 3 hours into D1 is not a strong scumread by any means and it just shows Rayn's ability to critically think essentially amounts to him reading some sort of 'Scum for Dummies' guide, pointing out some seemingly obvious tells and frantically screaming at everyone else to look at his seemingly obvious tells he pointed out. I'm not going to go so far as OMGUS on Rayn because I as well find it really difficult to believe scum would play this awfully, but I guess we'll see if a more coherent Rayn enters the thread. I am not concerned by his 'scumread' of me in the slightest, but I am more concerned by others,' however. Marv why is it you said you wanted to kill me based on Rayn's posts? - He proceeds to skip his entire attempted wagon on rayn and goes straight for prplhz. Again he attempts to get a wagon rolling, but ends up not voting for him after no one jumps on the wagon. + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Since no mention has been given to him so far, I have a scumread on prplhz.
His filter is entirely opportunistic one-liners where he offers nothing concrete in terms of scumreads, he literally poses a random question then disappears for a while. This does not constitute scumhunting to me. On April 06 2013 02:55 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 02:53 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 06 2013 02:51 WaveofShadow wrote:
Since no mention has been given to him so far, I have a scumread on prplhz.
His filter is entirely opportunistic one-liners where he offers nothing concrete in terms of scumreads, he literally poses a random question then disappears for a while. This does not constitute scumhunting to me. Thats what he does as either alignment dear. You gotta have something more than that  I've never played with prplhz before so I didn't know that. So in these other games he plays, does he ever do anything useful or is this how he decides to play the game and people just leave him alone? On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 06:53 Ace wrote:
I don't think anything prp has done tells us of his alignment or gets us anywhere right now. I think the two issues at hand are WoS being the only serious person on my wagon after the random joke votes stopped, and Oats' posting.
Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically? And Marv as to me drawing any conclusions, I don't have any right now but I find it suspect that two people both manage to look wrongly into my posting in the exact same way. It's not even like my filter was particularly hard to read or anything; I had 3 POSTS at the time. I didn't change my vote or mention lynching at all in regards to Rayn, he just took it and went: "HE WANTS TO KILL ME HE MUST BE SCUM!!!!" One more thing regarding prplhz that I wanted to mention in case anyone finds it interesting: of all of his one liners manage to be soft defenses (except for maybe the last posts regarding Axle). Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 11:45 prplhz wrote:On April 05 2013 11:43 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay kill WoS and iamp ok? no mention of the guy you are currently voting for? Soft defense of Axle. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 11:36 prplhz wrote:
@iamperfection don't you think you're being a little overzealous here? Soft defense of Ace. Show nested quote +On April 05 2013 11:59 prplhz wrote:On April 05 2013 11:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 05 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote:
Phew. Real happy I rolled town this time around; I feel really bad for whoever is on my scumteam when I roll mafia for the first time.
Scib, is there no limit in this game as to how long a cycle lasts? If so I could see extending the day being a benefit to town but it really depends on the activity level in general.
And Palmar one entry-post example does not a meta-case make.
I'll go with marv on this one: I hear scum Ace is terrifying and last game he was town we wasted a lot of time on him and mislynched him in the end anyway.
##Vote: Ace He is voting for Ace because if Ace is scum he is scary... Does it make him scum? What more do you need?? isn't marv doing the exact same thing? Soft defense of me. Soft defenses rub me the wrong way. I'm assuming by the vote and what can now barely be constituted as pressure that Axle is prplhz's primary scumread but I'd really like to know why. -His cop out retreat from voting Ace. Claiming his vote was half assed, and only there to produce pressure. But why on earth would he keep his vote on him for that long, and defending his stance on it, after all the pressure votes and joke votes had gone?? His excuse to why he voted Ace in the first place rubs me in the wrong way. + Show Spoiler +On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 09:07 sciberbia wrote:@WoS I don't know if you missed my last post, but.. First of all, as a point of fact, rayn didn't misinterpret your post in the same way Axle did. You posted this, where you ask Axle if he thinks rayn is worth paying attention to. + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. And rayn summarised your post as 'asking Axle if we should kill rayn', which I think is a fair (although exaggerated) summary.
Moving on, On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically?
Your stance on Ace is confusing. Maybe you could communicate it better. First, marv made a troll vote on Ace. You jumped on the bandwaggon and voted Ace. How serious was this vote? Clearly it's not THAT serious because you are talking a lot about prplhz and rayn and not pushing an ace lynch. On the other hand, it is clearly at least somewhat serious because you said you stand by it. But if it's somewhat serious, why did you say "I'm with marv on this one" when it was clear marv was just trolling? Do you really think a policy lynch of Ace is in town's best interests? I'm confused. Help me out here. I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: AceI could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? - In the end he proceed to post more nothingness, and even some snide remarks about rayn. He have since been MIA, and haven't even come back to defend himself, even though by now USA should be waking up. This is the guy to lynch today. I give you the Tunkeg guarantee that he is scum.
Alrighty Tunkeg.
I don't agree with your analysis of my first post, I guess, but in the end it's exactly as you say it is. Meaningless discussion is all that happens at the start of every day, so excuse for me attempting to contribute to it. The discussion of my joining the Ace bandwagon already happened, and I explained it, hell you quoted it already for me in this post.
When it comes to me talking about prplhz, Rayn and Ace, I have already explained myself to death about all of that; I'm just assuming you haven't read the thread since you've made this post since I DID vote for prplhz and had the vote on him all of yesterday and most of today. I also made it very clear that I was not pushing a lynch earlier on Rayn despite what you and Axle seem to think.
On April 07 2013 17:14 Tunkeg wrote:What on earth did WoS do that make you guys think he redeemed himself? He gives us some weak shit about how he don't like sci defending him, and comments on the retreat from Ace. He even says "I still don't like him but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever." Clearly contradicting him saying his vote on Ace was not the most serious. And more concerning he says he retracted his vote because it would make him look scummy!!?!?!?! Really, you base your actions and your votes on what makes you look scummy or not. Like really? Isn't there anyone else that gets a creepy feeling from sentences like that? + Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 03:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
Let me address a couple other things just to clear it up since I'm on the chopping block (as it can happen any second):
I am aware Scib gave me an easy out with regards to my vote on Ace and I took it. I still don't like him though but since it was obvious that an Ace lynch wasn't going anywhere, my already defending my vote on him would look scummy basically any time I decided to change my vote, so whatever.
As for my meta being different between this and basically every other game I've been in....the only real difference is my activity. I even commented on that in the postgame of The Game I think; not going to be spammy anymore and I'll talk and make reads when I feel they're necessary. Change in playstyle doesn't indicate scum. All you vets especially who have to smurf because of exactly this reason, you should be well aware of this.
Lynch away if you will. On April 06 2013 10:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 06 2013 09:07 sciberbia wrote:@WoS I don't know if you missed my last post, but.. First of all, as a point of fact, rayn didn't misinterpret your post in the same way Axle did. You posted this, where you ask Axle if he thinks rayn is worth paying attention to. + Show Spoiler +On April 05 2013 10:42 WaveofShadow wrote:
Hey Axle, if you're still around, what do you make of rayn flitting about the thread thus far?
I liken him unto a chicken without a head, spraying blood and entrails wherever his dying nervous system directs him. Personally I am loathe to pay him any more mind than this but it would be nice to get a fresh opinion on the matter before partaking of other more worldly pursuits. And rayn summarised your post as 'asking Axle if we should kill rayn', which I think is a fair (although exaggerated) summary.
Moving on, On April 06 2013 08:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
Are you worried or something? Iamp's wasn't a random joke vote either. If you're going to start saying something then come out and say it; what about me being the only person on your 'wagon' concerns you, and what about Oats' posting concerns you specifically?
Your stance on Ace is confusing. Maybe you could communicate it better. First, marv made a troll vote on Ace. You jumped on the bandwaggon and voted Ace. How serious was this vote? Clearly it's not THAT serious because you are talking a lot about prplhz and rayn and not pushing an ace lynch. On the other hand, it is clearly at least somewhat serious because you said you stand by it. But if it's somewhat serious, why did you say "I'm with marv on this one" when it was clear marv was just trolling? Do you really think a policy lynch of Ace is in town's best interests? I'm confused. Help me out here. I didn't miss your last post. If that's Rayn's summary of my post it's terrible because I specifically state that I don't want to pay him any mind, I just wanted to hear Axle's opinion of him, which I (sort of) got. How that = lynch I have no idea but you seem to think is somewhat justified. Whatever. As for Ace, fine, you caught me I suppose. Not the most serious vote around but I must say considering all the reverence people seem to show him it does scare me that we haven't seen anything useful from him yet and people are willing to let him go under the pretense of 'joke pressure.' I guess though it may not make sense to consider policy lynching him as I've heard suggested before if I haven't seen him at work myself. A half-serious vote you can call it I guess, but since iamp/marv left I can't hope to generate any more discussion or anything from Ace himself, it seems. ##Unvote: AceI could vote prplhz, but how can I be sure that isn't just his 'typical play' as Oats previously told me? He also lists a bunch of townies, and pretty much lable everyone townies. It is not contributing at all, at least he should give us the courtesy of listing his scumreads, with reasoning. Not just randomly throw out a 2-3 names in the end. He is very close to lynch, he should make his reads available to us, not just do some halfassed like this. + Show Spoiler +On April 07 2013 03:27 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh I figure I may as well give you a little more to go on since you're all pretty dead-set on killing me.
I don't like the idea of scib hard-defending me either., I'm thinking he's taking a page from kita's book in The Game where he's trying to get me to give him a townread so that he looks real good when I flip. Null for now but defs keep an eye on him.
Personally all the business with Oats/DP/iamp/whoever just seems to me like townies going at townies. DP seems very town to me sepcifically.
In this game I think scum are much more likely to be in the lurky category. Prplhz and Ace/Axle? He throws in some random comment about his meta in his defense, when the case against him really don't mention meta at all. It is in the first quote I posted. Overall a very unconvincing defense. Consisting of contradictions and without any justifications of his actions. When people drops off his wagon he steps it up abit, going from defeated to a bit more agressive stance on prplhz. Nothing I wouldn't expect from a scum just escaping the noose. But the remaining posts he does before he goes to bed doesn't impress me. My vote stays on WoS, and I got no clue why all of you jumped ship as soon as he made just the tiniest attempt at defending himself. I think something is rotten in the state of Denmark...
Your 'creepy feeling' amounts to nothing. Can you explain to me how my sheeping of an apparent joke vote from marv onto Ace with admittedly weak reasoning (which I STILL DO stand by, btw) is scummy on its own? People sheep all the time in this game; hell Oats ASKS people to sheep him every game. The reason I was worried about appearing scummy for removing my vote is because the simple fact that my vote was still ON Ace at that point in time appeared scummy and there was no point in time at which removing it would have been 'ok' in the eyes of town.
As far as the rest of this, I don't label 'everyone' towny, I don't know where you're getting that from. I gave my reads as they were at the time and that wasn't good enough for you, I get that, but too bad. It was all I had at the time; now that the game has progressed a little further I have more to go on. I get where you're coming from Tunkeg, which is why I have a townread on you right now, but just know that if your scumread on me is as strong as you say it is, you're making the scumteam very very happy at the moment. I'd suggested losing the tunnel vision for a moment and maybe start directing those 'strong scumhunting skills' you've professed to have elsewhere, otherwise they're going to waste.
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On April 08 2013 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your 'creepy feeling' amounts to nothing. Can you explain to me how my sheeping of an apparent joke vote from marv onto Ace with admittedly weak reasoning (which I STILL DO stand by, btw) is scummy on its own? People sheep all the time in this game; hell Oats ASKS people to sheep him every game. The reason I was worried about appearing scummy for removing my vote is because the simple fact that my vote was still ON Ace at that point in time appeared scummy and there was no point in time at which removing it would have been 'ok' in the eyes of town.
The thing is, as a general rule townies worry about this less than scummers. If a townie doesn't want his vote on someone, usually they just take it off because that's how they feel.
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On April 07 2013 17:22 Tunkeg wrote:
@WoS - May I have your attention!!
Now that I am the only one on your case. I will provide you with an out. Of course you can take the scummy way out and ignore me completely, as the pressure on you evaporated, but don't, I will nail you to the wall for it.
The out is: Write a convincing case on prplhz with a structure that even I can comprehend, where you summarize what is scummy about him and provide quotes or references to posts. You are free to write it on someone else instead. My point is I want a scumread from you with an analysis behind, and not just some random lines.
To the rest of you stay the fuck away from this, I want WoS to do it for obvious reasons!
On April 08 2013 04:50 Tunkeg wrote:
Palmar. Do you prefer a WoS lynch over a no-lynch?
Also for the record, that shit pisses me off.
1) I don't respond to threats, or thinly-veiled patronizing attempts to make me give you what you want. If you'd see the rest of the thread when other people engage me in proper discourse they get what they want.
2) You think just because you're confident that your wagon is the only one? Take off the tunnel-vision glasses bro, they don't suit you.
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On April 08 2013 05:36 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On April 08 2013 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote:
Your 'creepy feeling' amounts to nothing. Can you explain to me how my sheeping of an apparent joke vote from marv onto Ace with admittedly weak reasoning (which I STILL DO stand by, btw) is scummy on its own? People sheep all the time in this game; hell Oats ASKS people to sheep him every game. The reason I was worried about appearing scummy for removing my vote is because the simple fact that my vote was still ON Ace at that point in time appeared scummy and there was no point in time at which removing it would have been 'ok' in the eyes of town.
The thing is, as a general rule townies worry about this less than scummers. If a townie doesn't want his vote on someone, usually they just take it off because that's how they feel.
General rules are totally always right. How 'bout dat Kenpachi rule?
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Again, the kenpachi rule has no relevance in this game.
General rules are general rules, they might not always be right, but generally scummers tend to be more worried about how they appear to the thread than townies do. That's simply fact.
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night dudes, gonna be back in maybe something like 15 hours.
Ace will get lynched. I trust marv.
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yeah yeah, looks like my push on WoS is going nowhere. I am off to bed. Good luck and good night...
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Come kill Ace with us Tunkeg. It'll be fun, I promise.
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On April 08 2013 06:07 Tunkeg wrote:
yeah yeah, looks like my push on WoS is going nowhere. I am off to bed. Good luck and good night...
So you'd rather a no-lynch than possible scum lynch all because your tunnel-vision case isn't catching on?
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Yeah. Ace is town. I don't want to lynch ace.
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On April 08 2013 06:29 DarthPunk wrote:
Yeah. Ace is town. I don't want to lynch ace.
Well who DO you want to lynch then?
I really don't want a no-lynch today and we're running out of time.
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