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That said, I would like a response from Smancer, who went lurker mode after unvoting Rainbows about the state of the game. On April 05 2013 15:14 jrkirby wrote: Yeah, probably. Lurkers can kill huge lines of marines with splash damage. But we might want to throw down a couple of scans first, if you get my extended metaphor. On April 05 2013 15:22 jrkirby wrote: If we get all the guys to unburrow, we can see more easily if they're harmless drones or terrifyingly fit skinny lurkers. I'm not a fan of metaphors, because I don't really understand. | ||
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On April 05 2013 15:44 Obzy wrote: Fish - I see where you're coming from, but there's no way to know a person isn't mafia, you're just trusting your opinion or the opinions of others. The only way to get those opinions of others is by sharing reads. Even if scum are trying to herd people, keeping track of who is leading lynches is very important - Blazing mentioned it in XXXIX's mafia's QT that because there were only two votes on the day1 vote that mislynched, town wasn't able to draw any meaningful information from it. If scum are blatantly taking charge and leading the town directly into bad decision making, that should be a signpost to us that town isn't being led very well =P Also, my expectation is more in line that if we all play actively and intelligently, the scum's pointing at townies and calling them mafia will look... dumb and out of place >.>; If everyone in town has a townread on everyone else in town, what can scum do? Also, good night since you're apparently taking off ^^ I'm going to take off as well - I want to go get some dinner, and then going to go to bed unless somebody directs a question at me - I'll check the thread after eating but unless something really sticks out I am just gonna go to sleep lol. JarJar, Warent, come join us :0 Smancer, Ravens, nobody - share your thoughts when you have time to read and respond ^^ Anybody look good or bad? See you all tomorrow unless you have a specific question for me when I get back.~ That scenario isn't perfect, I agree townreads can be useful, t I hope they will all be valid, but a confirmation bias won't be good. Everyone needs scumreads too. I think scumreads will be important than townreads because it'll be important for the votes and the flips. | ||
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Rainbow votes Smancer. Then Rainbow unvotes, then talks about his policy that there should be no policy and that everyone has their own policy. Rainbow then brings up a policy scenario. Well, he states it isn't policy based. Well to me, it sounds like it is, since a policy defines a set of actions in response to certain behavior. I don't know that Rainbow would bring a policy question and call it not policy, seems like he's cautiously gauging townie response and the town meta. Honestly, I want a response from not only Rainbow but also Smancer, since to me, it's interesting that Rainbow voted Smancer, unvoted Smancer and then voted Smancer again. In response Smancer had voted Rainbows and then unvoted Rainbow. I just a lil' weirded out by the voting trend. + Show Spoiler + As a little meta thing, Rainbows seems to deviate a lot more from previous games, he did troll vote, but not to extent of this game. He also spams a lot more. | ||
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On April 05 2013 23:37 Rainbows wrote: Warent A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it. A really non-comittal read. Those are always the two obvious choices in a situation such as this. Warent wants to 'wait for my explanation', which there will be none. Instead of coming to thread and giving us something to work with, Warent decides to play the 'Suspicious guy is suspicious' card and do nothing while appearing to do something. Rainbows no like. Saraf It is obvious that Saraf is referring to me here. I'm spamming, I'm doing a bunch of nuisance-like things and he doesn't like it. He says he would like to lynch me; even if I'm probably town. Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing. Notice the hypocrisy in this underlined statement. Saraf wants policy talk. Awesome, go for it man... wait, what policy has he brought up -- none. He wants people to talk about policy but is doing nothing to drive the discussion. He's trying to come off all pro-town by being 'yeah, we should lynch a scummy spammer guy, and totally talk about policy because it generates discussion!". He completely ignores A) that discussion is already happening, and we can talk about that and B) He himself is not bringing up policy to talk about and "get information". I digress, he's brought up the policy to 'lynch the spammiest asshole', but that in itself people are already talking about because I'm the center of discussion. So antagonisitic. Nobodywonder NW gives a huge summary. and throws some shit. He meditates on the policy thing, which I told everyone wasn't policy. THERE'S A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HOW PEOPLE THINK AND POLICY JESUS CHRIST PEOPLE. Had to get out of the way. This post, and subsequently the spoiler, show no effort on NW's part to come to a conrete read on me. He simply says that I'm doing things. He seems really apprehensive about giving an actual read and just flops around. I want peoples opinions of NW. Saraf might just be a banality-spewing town; and I'm unsure if his lolpolicy was serious or not. But NW - that guy. He's scummy. You only want an opinion from the town on me? Why not Saraf too, you comment on his posts and seem to say that Saraf is scummy, but never really do. I find this strange because after all, you did vote for him earlier, But now you just seem to suggest that he is just a silly town. I don't like that youre giving Saraf a free pass. That said, I do fully welcome people to write opinions on me. It'll get more content out. On Warent, I leaning scum on him, since he was very non-committal on Rainbows and just not very active. Anyways I do want Warent to weigh in later now that Rainbows has replied. | ||
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On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote: So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows. The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even. On the subject of jrkirby, I really don't like his metaphors because it is subject to interpretation and thus we cannot really know what jrkirby is thinking. Also I feel his talk about lurkers was unnecessary at the time. We hadn't really mentioned lurkers in general. Overall his whole post gives him a way out to freely switch around, something that I don't like and to indicates a level of scumminess. That said he better be thorough when he switches, because otherwise I think that jrkirby is scum. | ||
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LOL you complain about me being useless and summarizing. What is this post I see, a summary of my posts... Wow so useful, I don't even... The things that you said can also be applied to you. I don't like how you sheeped onto the jrkirby vote. First you respond to JJD's vote by bringing up an association scenario and then vote jrkirby with a weak reason. Take your own advice, sir. (in bold) On April 05 2013 21:49 Smancer wrote: I'll point out also that Molock and jkirby both think Rainbows is scum in these two posts 3 minutes apart. My initial thought is that they are scum looking to get a bandwagon vote on Rainbows. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 14:57 Moloch wrote: That was supposed to be a joke at that point. I didn't actually think he was scummy at that point. My original vote for him was a joke as well, since it was based upon him posting a lot early and not having enough time to eat pizza. But, I've kept my vote on him for a couple reasons. According to this post, he gets very defensive about about being called scum, whereas I interpreted Saraf's comment to not be calling out anyone in particular - just being the way he thought about stuff. (It's possible that I don't feel like anyone's been spammy so far affected how I interpreted it). I also don't like how he changed his vote from Smancer to someone else to quickly. He gave a reason he thought Smancer was a suspect, then just changed it to Saraf because he got overly defensive (but he had a couple posts in between Saraf labeling him and switching his vote, which makes me suspect that it wasn't a hasty vote-switch caused by emotion) I'm not certain about anyone, but Rainbows seems like the best bet at the moment. On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote: So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows. The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even. On April 05 2013 21:54 Smancer wrote: ##vote: jrkirby I'll vote him for now, because I feel he is acting scum and trying to point fingers at the one person who actually got the thread moving toward finding scum. @Rainbows what is your read on jrkirby. anyways I have class now won't be able to respond til many hours | ||
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What wtf? that doesn't make sense, you have an eye on someone but he hasn't shown any real evidence. Doesn't that mean that someone isn't a very good candidate. What? Why even bother to mention this? It doesn't make sense, this only serves to give you another out or freebie to bandwagon when someone acts stupid/scummy. Go get scumhunting, you noncommital person. I more I reread this, the more I dislike you. ##Vote: jrkirby now i gtg since class is too soon | ||
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Wow, so hi Raven, can you defense yourself and then make expansion on your thoughts. more scumhunting is more gg (good game). Moloch, you complain of Rainbow being spammy, but what do you think about his analysis, itself. maybe if valid, rainbows kinda does have right to be aggressive to kill scum and inform others? | ||
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On April 06 2013 13:17 jrkirby wrote: hey NW, I posted all my reads. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359¤tpage=12#240 What do you think? So many percents, I prefer fractions /joke Honestly, I wouldn't call these reads, because they're more or less descriptions, because in half of them, you explicitly say that null read. They're also too general at times. And all the people are around mid or high 20% and only me and JDD are anywhere above 30%, and that's because we voted you... I really don't like your "reads." Although I am really intrigued by that mystery read on jamp. Care to elaborate? | ||
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that said, I will just note some stupid things going on the thread, before I go onto cases and shit. this is rather like a rant first just as a plea to all to improve the town atmosphere 1. lurking. i, myself, am guilty. but everyone needs to post stuff so scum fucks up and we kill them. come out jjd, moloch, and jrkirby and other guys 2. rainbows and raven. wtf are you guys doing? its a retarded feud. man up with some cases. with that blue claim, rainbows i want to see more of your opinion. but everything you do screams scummy to me. OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WTF IS RAINBOWS DOING On April 06 2013 15:59 Rainbows wrote: You don't understand why I claimed. I claimed because I give zero shits anymore. Half of the thread will vote me easily, and there's nothing stopping that. I could already tell everyone would be like "hmm, yeah just lynch Rainbows because he spammed that one time". Because Nobody actually is willing to do a little dirty work and scumhunt this game on other people than the most outspoken person. I have no scumbuddies. It should be obvious by now. this is an example of terrible town mentality, with a tantrum. now at this point, you have fucking blue claimed. i dont see why then you shy away from discussion when you definitely have more townie read at this pt. the thing i, raven and the other guys from mafia xxx are still wary of a potential lolwut teh fuck crazy role claim and other shit On April 09 2013 06:12 Rainbows wrote: I tried consolidating my thoughts in cases. People called me scum for it. So whatever. I intend to sheep you obzy, even if its on me (your vote) I don't want to hear this shit. no excuse for still scumhunting rainbows. i hate your mentality. even though others did shat on your opinion and previous reads, I think I will acknowledge your opinions. no sheep, plz | ||
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On April 07 2013 07:34 jrkirby wrote: I think jampidampi is town. At least for now. Earlier I had a hunch against him. I thought he was clever. Asking questions of rainbows, getting reads, and but not showing his opinion too much, because he wasn't ready to commit to his reads. Did he focus more on rainbows than anyone else? Yeah. But he also was talking to me, moloch, and saraf. And he had reason to keep his eye on rainbows. Rainbows was doing suspicious things and avoiding his questions. Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it! And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched. somehow you knew that jamp was town and defended him, right after you had insinuated that you were suspicious of him. then suddenly you become a voice of reason and moderation. i hope you can use your clever deduction skills to lead us to the next townie and avoid lynching him or even better offer a great scumread so we kill him. also i still dont understand what you mean there in the bolded... | ||
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On April 09 2013 12:08 Obzy wrote: Also, hi nobody. I really, really wish you'd post more. I understand that posting is hard and the internet is scary, but quite frankly, and I love saying quite frankly and I think I've said it like ten times in this game now, quite frankly, I like winning. And if I want to win as town, I need to be readable as town. And if other people want to win as town, they need to be readable as town. And you aren't readable as town at the moment. Obzy, i dont like your mentality, why are we necessarily confirming townies, again i fear confirmation bias. at this point, to me, no one has particularly looked townie to me, but even you or rainbows. i like your activeness and posts but not how you are not very clear about your scumreads. i still dont understand the thought process for switching your vote from raven to jarjar (or almost jrkirby). can you explain it to me? | ||
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On April 09 2013 13:46 jrkirby wrote: What I meant by the bolded was this: the mafia don't need to lead the charge on day one. There's a good chance some town will bandwagon another town. All they have to do is make sure that the person bandwagoned isactually town, not mafia. The only time I was suspicious of jampi was when I had absolutely no evidence. I made that clear every time I mentioned my suspicion, and I never voted for him. ok...makes more sense, but i still dont see how that related to jampi. as in what did he have to do with not defending anyone... ohhh long post by obzy i read. fun fun, other lurkers and guys, see how much fun we have. post darnnabit | ||
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well time to continue reading... | ||
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On April 09 2013 14:02 Obzy wrote: lol sorry it seemed like I started lurking - I'm totally still here :0 I'm confirming townies because I am a very honest person irl and I am fucking shit at detecting liars and Mafia is a game about detecting liars. You have to detect the liars to win. And since I suck at that, I'm trying to detect the honest, trustworthy people instead, so that I can lynch out of a pool of non-trustworthy people. I really don't want my damn post to fall off the page again, that's probably the longest post I've ever written except maybe a rant once in my other game lol. As regards switching my vote from Ravens to JarJar (and yeah, it was originally Kirby) - to be totally honest, I had lost faith in lynching Ravens for, as described above, no fucking reason whatsoever. I didn't really like that I was voting him. Jarjar had been afk for a long time and I had expected him to provide his reads from filters - he hadn't so I swapped onto him. He then popped up apologizing and said to wait till tomorrow so I guess I'm waiting till tomorrow! I have a difficult time having the necessary conviction to think that people are mafia without positive reinforcement from other people, I think my votes in the previous game I played were either sheeps or omgus' votes. This game, nobody has really taken charge and driven the town towards targets that I like (and gotten major reactions and discussion out of people) other than the Jampi lynch, which was some sort of combined teamwork mislynch of me and my townreads [at the time]. So I'm feeling a bit out of sorts, the most I feel like I can really contribute in a good way is to get people talking so that there can be a consensus, my individual leadership is not something I have confidence in. *shrug* sorry this isn't really a good reason as to why I'm looking for townreads, and why my scumreads aren't very prominent - I just don't think I'm really that good at this game lol. The only thing I do reasonably well, IMO, is have high activity and show that I am townie through the pro-town-ness of my actions. Tell me honestly, you're town, don't lie please XD | ||
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On April 09 2013 13:49 Obzy wrote: sorry nobody, i'm just frustrated. i'm not very good at actual scumhunting, just seeing the big picture - the fact that town is so inactive is getting really ... bothersome. the scummy players are probably catchable at this point, but... Hmph. Okay so here's the issue. I can see pretty much everybody being scum and not scum for various reasons. Fish isn't scum. Assumption. I think that he is improving town atmosphere and behaving in a pro-town way, his stances have not stood out as particularly bad, and I am really glad that he came back and posted several times in a row, bringing new insights and then actually sticking around for a bit. It's like he cares - which is nice. Rainbows' claim and behavior makes him town. I don't think there is any denying that, the majority of things I have said have been confirming this and taking a stance on this and firming this up and etc etc etc. But Rainbows' play is not particularly protown, it has large periods of passive-aggressiveness, and he fits in really well with a kirby scumteam. I don't think he's scum but like jesus I wish he would post more constructively, although his overall activity is pretty nice. JarJar just showed up, and I like his case on kirby quite a bit. The fact that he has so few posts really screams like he doesn't care, but he "sounds" townie by tone, and looks scummy by actions. very frustrating and I really hope he can post actively before ~4ish hours before the lynch so we can try to do some consolidation and discussion on the actual lynch instead of town atmosphere [however important] and lurkers [however frustrating] ahaha. nobodywonder, i'm sorry for being down on you. I realize it's not encouraging and I shouldn't've acted that way, given that I've been hoping for you to post every day. That said, it has been three days. From the 6th 14:01 till the 9th 11:44 you didn't post a single time. Except for once in a starcraft 2 thread, apparently, according to your profile. Exempting everything else, I feel like you don't care about town. Your above post is decent, it looks like it has reasonable townie analysis and apparently there's more to come, but your behavior in lurking has not been pro-town, and has not shown you actually care about how we're doing. If you can fix that, I'll lighten up on you a little bit. Ravens feels very defensive, which I honestly think is townier than not. I hate his tunnel on Rainbows, even though I understand because Rain is not playing in a pro-town manner, I can't reconcile myself to agree with it because I think it's as good as proven that Rain is town. (Like if someone trolly was an innocent child or something is how I see him.) I have no idea what to think of Ravens anymore lol. -_- Smancer is odd. He made, in my eyes, a good case on jampi, and followed the lynch to the end, picking up negative attention. I have a hard time believing mafia would do this, since it puts him strongly in the spotlight. He didn't like my case on Ravens (and I apparently didn't either or I'd still be voting him and he'd be scum instead of null), but he's apparently read me as town all game, so he wasn't just disagreeing because he disagreed with ME, but with the case itself. But then he almost immediately 180s randomly on Rainbows and compliments Rainbows' case on Ravens, what? So I'm somewhat uncertain of Smancer too, it feels like my unvoiced opinion of him shifts drastically throughout a day where I start or end a day thinking he's very scummy, and the next day he's somehow townie, and I don't know what causes these shifts. Regarding Warent, I feel like every time I look at him he's scum, but I also feel like he's acting in a pro-town way. Maybe it's the way he types? On sheer scumminess I swear he's always top. It's unfortunate too that he lives in a different timezone so we have different active hours, but there's obviously nothing that can be done about this. It doesn't help that he soft-accused me and Fish (and Rain), then switched to questioning the people on jampi's wagon and wanting our opinions on each other - but like, that is what I would want if I thought there were scum on Jampi's wagon -_- Kirby... Sigh. I like the case against him. I don't really like that he's lurking (Although really, it's not lurking. It's just blatantly being afk. Jarjar, nobodywonder, Kirby, and Moloch are all, or were all just blatantly afk.) I don't have a damn clue. As is clearly obvious, I don't have any idea who the mafia is and I really hope I get shot night 2 so I can stop worrying! It could be anybody except fish IMHO, with it being more likely to not be Ravens or Rainbow or Warent singlehandedly because they actually have talked to me a decent amount, whereas Smancer made a big deal of talking to me but my opinion of him isn't solidified in my head, and nobodywonder/Jarjar have begun posting again but I don't know how to treat the fact that they were gone for so long. Moloch isn't here, I mean what does that even mean!? He's just like, fucking gone? Still? And he was on jampi's wagon? Like why is he gone lol >.< He was a very solid townread for me exiting day 1 and now he's just not here.and my confidence has eroded throughout the day and several hours that he has been missing and now I have no idea what to think of him. So who are my scumreads, nobodywonder? I don't know. Whenever I think about "if this guy is scum, then ________" i end up with ridiculous conspiracy theories and completely unrelated sets of scumteams with no common denominator. If kirby doesn't, I guess I'd lynch him primarily. If you (nobodywonder) and Jarjar are active, I don't really have a problem with you... somehow. If Warent wakes up and isn't protown throughout the next day, I'd also be willing to lynch him. If Moloch doesn't show up at all (and doesn't vote), I don't want to vote on a pure lurker that I was once very town on, so maybe he'll get modkilled or something, but if he shows up and drops a vote with bad reasoning and takes off I'd vote him too. He'd need to stick around for several hours and be townie and explain what he thinks because if he can't then like I'm sorry but that's just not okay. I'm less okay with lynching Ravens and I don't really get why. I refuse to lynch Fish. I'm okay with lynching Rainbows only on day 3 if we mislynch today and he still doesn't die and doesn't pick up his game because I'd rather just fucking kill him and lose than let him troll continuously and then turn out to magically, miraculously, fucking SOMEHOW be scum in the end, despite the fact that it would make no sense and would mean I was completely taken in, I'd kill him and lose just to prevent that anger. Like I don't even know Rain frustrates me because I put so much work into defending him and now it feels like he's not living up to my apparently rather high expectations. Sorry buddy ^^ Don't take this too hard~ And for Smancer and if I'm okay with lynching him - throw a fucking dart, my read on smancer is aligned with the phases of the moon. I hope this post helps people. obzy i like your analysis on town. its good analysis. the only thing that everyone is lurking/inactive such that no one really has enough townie actions or townie opinions to be more or less confirmed town. definitely need stuff from everyone. hmmm i hope everyone posts soon, but otherwise imma go back to the filters and the thread and try to get the scummiest... | ||
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oh hi, moloch, good to see you! well you should definitely get up to date, and give out some scum reads, town reads, other general observations, etc and answer some questions | ||
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First thing, Warent, how did you read jrkirby as town? What kind of townie is he then? | ||
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btw jrkirby who are your scumreads. besides jjd, whos been attacking? | ||
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There are many suspicious, I will guide you through the exhibits of scumminess On April 07 2013 07:34 jrkirby wrote: I think jampidampi is town. At least for now. Earlier I had a hunch against him. I thought he was clever. Asking questions of rainbows, getting reads, and but not showing his opinion too much, because he wasn't ready to commit to his reads. Did he focus more on rainbows than anyone else? Yeah. But he also was talking to me, moloch, and saraf. And he had reason to keep his eye on rainbows. Rainbows was doing suspicious things and avoiding his questions. Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it! And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched. first, the sudden town read. this is, by itself, not incriminating, but provides a very important contrast to his later quotes and actions. considering that jamp actually gets lynched, jrkirby does set himself up to look good. this is weird because, in contrast this correct single town read, all of jrkirby's other posts seem to insinuate that he doesnt know what he is doing. here are some examples: On April 07 2013 08:26 jrkirby wrote: As I said earlier, it's really hard to tell the difference between scum and bad town. herp derp, you were absolutely correct on jamp as a bad town. why cant you find other bad town or scum. then. you easily somehow saw the difference when everyone else didn't and dun goofed. On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote: Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town... this quote especially concerns me. WTF, if the town going to lynch townie and especially since you gave a very strong town read, I expect you to fucking stop the lynch. I think if you defended the shit of him, that would have been the correct move - you would actually look even better than after a switch to another lynch, because for someone to stop a bandwagon on a townie shows the likely characteristics of a townie provided there is good reasoning. but instead you just let him die, this is too convienent since allows your mafia agenda. 2nd thing is terrible post history, he has a lot of filler that is not only useless, but also confusing... On April 05 2013 15:14 jrkirby wrote: Yeah, probably. Lurkers can kill huge lines of marines with splash damage. But we might want to throw down a couple of scans first, if you get my extended metaphor. does not compute, really. no jargon or metaphor is necessary, just give a simple answer plz. I play SC2 and I don't know what a lurker is. :/ On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote: So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows. The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even. Hmm, youre not very committed to lynching this Rainbows guy. This combined with your metaphor makes me rather unclear about your thoughts. You seem so far to suggest a policy of lynching stupid behavior. this is interesting too, since you later propose a conspiracy theory of rainbows, obzy and jjd being mafia at night. now here is also a huge contradiction. this is after the night kill. On April 08 2013 09:28 jrkirby wrote: I guess my reads now are smancer, jarjar, and fishgle. On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote: I have a strong townread on obzy. The only reason I ever didn't was when he was defending rainbows and I thought rainbows was scum. Ravens has felt fairly town to me for a while as well. I hate that he still wants to lynch rainbows even after rainbows survived a night claiming vigi. I also don't like his "mistake" with the voting on the first night, but I feel like that was really just a mistake. This is a noob game after all. Overall though, I don't think I want to lynch him today. Maybe day 3. I might be ok lynching moloch but I don't have a good read on him either way. If someone presents a good case I'll think about it. Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side. Warent - Are you still on rainbow's case? - I don't like that he voted for him night one. Really, if someone reveals vigi, they're likely going to die. Either their lying and the real vigi will kill them, or the scum will (eventually) kill them. I'm guessing rainbows only has until the end of night 2. But scum does have roleblock, so he might have a bit longer. I hope we can lynch their roleblock, that would be nice. But Rainbows would probably accidentally shoot town. Well that was off topic. Anyways, I don't like warent for voting rainbows. Actually, come to think, ravens voted rainbows too. Shit this game is hard. I might lynch him tonight too. + Show Spoiler + sorry I'm rambling and not focused on one topic here. I don't think I want to lynch fishgle. He reads town. Yah he voted jampi, but I think he reads as town. I'll relook his filter if someone makes a good case on him. Jarjar has made few posts, almost all against me. I thought he's make a good day one lynch because I had nothing good on him, only bad. But I think we can do better day 2. But please jarjar, say what you think of other people. Please? Don't focus on just one guy. There's 3 scum, so if you think I'm one, who are the other two? I don't wanna just vendetta you. You might just be town. But i could still see myself voting for you. how the fuck did fishgle randomly change from being a scumread to townread? this makes no sense at all besides a very obvious scumslip. just explain this? if you are town, it shouldn't be too hard, you should be able to clearly demonstrate his transition from scumread to townread. and for that matter, you should told us why he was a scumread in the first place and a town read later. also smancer smells bad? lol is he sweaty or what? where is your scumread, jrkirby? and why do you have to wait for someone to come to make a case and then bandwagon. this is weak stuff lastly you play the noob card too much. though i understand this is newbie game, if you just use the noob card so much, town just misregards your opinion, which is useless agenda if you're town, but very convienent if you're scum since you can just blend in. On April 10 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote: Jarjar just keeps bringing up stuff from forever ago. Like me voting for ravens: I did that because at the time there was no one I had more of a scumread on. This is my first game of mafia here. Are you going to vote for me because my first vote on the first half first day turned out insubstantial and I retracted it? Me being suspicious of jampi - 1) I never voted for him. 2) I was clear on the fact I had no evidence. Why try to get me on that? Jarjar, your case is worthless. Obzy - why might you vote for me? I'm sure you'd have a much better case than jarjar if you presented it. I'm going to come back in several hours and probably vote for one of these four - smancer - jarjar - warent - theravensname. in that order of suspicion. this is also too convienent for you to just come in and drop a vote without any scrutinizing. at this point, you are scum - all your actions fit the perfect mold of scum. ##Vote jrkirby die scum. | ||
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just quoting moloch, one part from his big post. lemme clarify, for the second part i meant kirby's scum because if he is town then he should have defended jampi more actively. but hmmm, i do now realize that part is rather weak. imma check that section again... as for the metaphor, lol yeah i actually have played BW, and terran is so much fucking hard. lurkers are so much fucking scarier than swarm hosts or any other zerg unit. /end digress. my point was simply that the metaphor is just filler post, and oh dont forgot that percentage post, that was deep... | ||
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moloch, so are you leaning scum or town on jrkirby? obzy, you havent switched off moloch and onto jrkirby. how do you read moloch and jrkirby right now? since you seem to be good with town reads, i look forward to seeing your posts. | ||
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Since he claimed vigi and if he's town, he should definitely have calmed the fuck down. Instead he's focusing on Ravens so much, almost tunneling and it's not contributing to town atmosphere. However on the other side, Ravens is playing very weirdly and bad for town too. At this point, I still want to lynch jrkirby, but I definitely am considering Rainbows or Ravens on D3, depending on how jrkirby flips. @Moloch alright good analysis, I really look forward on what we can make out of Jarjar and Smancer. I'll be digging through filters and it would be awesome if we can post at similar times to contrast our thoughts on them. @Smancer still thinking of getting jrkirby, on the nobody's wonder girls wagon of kpop justice? | ||
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first thing first, explain how fishgle went from scumread to townread. this makes absolutely no sense at all to me, guide me through your thought process. btw you also dun goofed your vote. need to bold it with an EBWOP | ||
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On April 10 2013 06:49 Obzy wrote: Sure, I can post. I've been curious as to what Moloch's final read is going to be. I don't intend to keep my vote on him any longer (unless he disappeared again) but given that me making this post guarantees he will return, it's not really something that I can hold in reserve any longer. ##Unvote I still like the case against kirby. I'm feeling happier with Moloch since he's posting, and his logic is good too ^^ Moloch, if you were more active, you probably never would have left my happy townread group haha. You're making a revival atm but don't take that as a sign that it's okay to slow down or stop, because it definitely isn't. /crackwhip ^_^; At this point, I'm most content with a kirby lynch (last second edit before hitting post - i guess i'll vote on it) ##Vote jrkirby - I feel kiiiinda alright with a Warent lynch to be honest, but I don't feel we should do it today, it'd be very sudden. This is more of a general feeling - Warent just feels scummy. Like I look at his posts and I get that feeling. (No case though[yet], so don't bother thinking about it too much.) We've got four nonvoters, I'm very curious to see where they intend to place their votes - particularly Warent who reads kirby as town. Fish, get back here and chat for a bit -.-. You aren't a viable candidate today, but I want you to be talking about this because I value your input, and you obviously need to place a vote. thanks obzy for being on the nobody's wonder girls wagon of justice. Right now, I'm assuming that jrkirby will be lynched, so are you thinking warent D3, and can you expand on a warent lynch? | ||
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On April 10 2013 07:09 jrkirby wrote: Fishgle was never a strong scumread for me. Maybe 3-4 at some points in time when I read over his filter I think he hasn't done much so he's probably scum. Other times I just get the feeling that he's town. I don't know why. Also, my post messed up. ##VOTE: JarJarDrinks @jrkirby :/ thats a disappointing reply on fishgle... I expected more. anyways this is an exciting time for you jarjardrinks, can you pull the nobodywonder (see reference to Newbie XXXIIX) besides jarjardrinks, what do you read (scummy/townie) on your current voters? | ||
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hey promethelax, you dun goofed on obzy's vote, he switched to jrkirby. and also warent has his vote on rainbows | ||
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also where the fuck is fishgle? he hasn't posted at all...or voted. makes me very suspicious of him. either bad townie or scum. im very concerned | ||
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right now jrkirby still feels scummy, but idk my fellow voters on jrk dont feel that townie to me either... i dont like smancer especially...his votes and reasoning weren't the best. i fear that smancer and jjd may be scum too. god im so paranoid right now | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:54 Fishgle wrote: call me crazy, but i think obzy might be scum. wtf is this? fishgle this is your first major contribution. if youre townie, fishgle youre going to have to work your ass off. you're scummy.... sigh i think we just have to wait for the flip | ||
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On April 12 2013 02:16 Smancer wrote: Why did you want jkirby to make reads on someone other than JJD? I wanted jrkirby to give his reads on others, because at that point before the lynch, I wanted to see how he viewed others. Since at that point I felt that he was scum, then I wanted him to mess up and led us to other suspects or confirm some townreads. | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:28 Rainbows wrote: I want everyone to vote early in the day. Everyone. That means NW, JJD, Fishgle. No last minute shenanigans. ##Unvote ##Vote: Warent ##Vote: Warent @Warent, so after unvoting a no lynch, who are you going to vote? now just fishgle needs to vote. | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:39 Smancer wrote: Ok, so I decided to do what I said. I had three things to focus on Ravens versus TRN, Vote counts and patterns, and Obzy's Claim. I looked back at everyone, including myself, our filters. And I wrote down for each person who they voted for, in chronological order Day 1 and Day 2. The only mildly interesting thing I found was two people that have the exact same votes. NW and JJD. They are also heavily lurking JJDs filter is still one page. Day 1 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby Day 2 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby JJD's filter is still one page. I am looking through them because I am trying to find more evidence t support that they might be working together. Smancer, what are you trying to do? Just throw shit at me and Jarjar? Where's your case? If you want this shit, I note that you and Ravens have a similar voting pattern during the day 2 lynch. On April 09 2013 23:46 phagga wrote: VOTE COUNT: TheRavensname (1) Rainbows (0) jrkirby (1) JarJarDrinks JarJarDrinks (1) Obzy Moloch (2) Smancer, TheRavensName Not Voting: Warent, jrkirby, Fishgle, Moloch, nobodywonder Deadline is in 9 hours. Voting is mandatory. Currently Moloch is set to be lynched! If you see your vote (or anyone else') out of place please inform me or someone else on the hosting team so that we can correct it. What's with you, Smancer and your votes and Raven and his votes. You guys are trying to get the same person and switch it at similar times. It's only when I make my case against jrk is when, you get on the wagon with me and then Raven goes after Rainbows. | ||
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+ Show Spoiler + On April 10 2013 09:16 marvellosity wrote: Night 2 ![[image loading]](http://wideshut.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/mushrooms-magic.jpg) Ooooh. Oooh. It was national hallucinogen day in Liquidsville. Oh what a day! Yes, my friends, we live in confusing times. Fatties are persecuted and yet hallucinogenic drugs are celebrated. jrkirby had just eaten a batch of shrooms. Probably too much in one sitting if we're honest. But that's ok, everyone else was doing the same. A street party was going on outside; naturally jrkirby wanted to go out and join them. Wandering outside, the world was a blaze of colour and shimmering textures. Neat. There were a bunch of fatties in the street, swaying around and having a good time. There was one in a nice floral dress... pretty sure that dude over there's totally naked. jrkirby was just in his underwear, because why not. A herd of kangeroos trampled by. Odd. Suddenly someone pointed at him. "Ermahgerrrrd," they said. "Look at him! He's a skinny!" jrkirbly looked down. Shit! He was a skinny! Why did he come outside? Why was that monkey looking at him funny? "Ermahgerrrrrrrrrrrrrd" shouted everyone else. "What's that about? SQUIIIIIIIIIISH IT!" And with that they all piled on to jrkirby, squishing him in a horrible mess. It was only the next day when the citizens stumbled out of their beds, still in a daze, did they realise quite what they'd done in their drug-addled state. jrkirby, Couch Potato, was lynched! + Show Spoiler [Final Vote Count] + FINAL VOTE COUNT: TheRavensname (2) Rainbows (2) jrkirby (5) JarJarDrinks, nobodywonder, JarJarDrinks (1) Moloch (0) Fishgle (0) Not Voting: jrkirby was lynched! It is now Night 2, you have just under 24 hours to get your actions into ALL your hosts. | ||
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also who would my scumbuddies be? or jjd's scumbuddies? or if we both are scum, then who's the last scumbuddy? also at this point, warent is the most likely scum, then why do you not want to lynch him? Why do you think he is town? | ||
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I still think Warents is scum, but I will make a case to make you satisfied. I do believe Warents will be a good lynch. That said, I do realize I dun goofed day 2, so I will make sure my reasoning is good. I'll do it later tonight, but I'll definitely get to it. | ||
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##Unvote I think I really am going to think about all these connections, I'm trying to figure out the scumteams, and I'm not sure right now. Right now, the most likely scum I feel like are Raven, Jarjar and maybe Warent right now. | ||
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@Fishgle, I just want to ask a couple things, since your filter is kinda short and I just need your opinion. First, what do you think of Smancer, Moloch, JarJar and me in general, leaning scum or town, note scummy actions or whatever, because it seems you didn't really touch upon us in your filter. Lastly, I really hope we can get the mafia roleblocker. Since Ravens is quite eager is to bus Warents, it is unlikely that Warents is the mafia roleblocker then, because then | ||
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Lastly, I really hope we can get the mafia roleblocker. Since Ravens is quite eager is to bus Warents, it is unlikely that Warents is the mafia roleblocker then, because then Rainbow would be confirmed for sure. Thus Ravens has a higher chance of being the mafia roleblocker, if so then Rainbows may be able to get his shot off. | ||
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yeah I feel your analysis is completely correct and in addition, I do feel that you are town and so I think that at the moment, I feel fishgle has been scummy, he hasn't cared too much. Right now, I will post something that I wrote a while ago that explains why I made my decisions too, this was before the Warents switch to No lynch -- remember: I did this before the No lynch -- [spoiler]Currently I think the scum team is likely Warent – Ravens -- Fishgle/JarJar. I hope to analyze their agenda and show how they are likely scum. II feel Moloch, Rainbows are town, and I’m unsure of Fishgle and Jarjar right now. As for Ravens, I feel that he has to be scum if Rainbows is rightfully town. He tunnels unusually hard on Rainbows, and voted Moloch on Day 2 for a while and then switched back to Rainbows. I think what is extremely alarming is that Raven completely 180 after being accused by Rainbows. Before that, on his first filter page, he seemed to contribute fairly nicely to the discussion. But after the accusation by Rainbows, Raven just reverse-tunneled on Rainbows based on meta, and blatantly did not participate in discussion of jrkirby and other lynch picks, besides a quick and short sheep on Moloch. Like always, Obzy tried to promote discussion and asked Ravens to provide other reads, but Ravens never got to it. I also just have the feeling that Ravens simply doesn’t care about who gets lynched. + Show Spoiler + This remark I feel is rather weird too, somehow Raven distorts Jarjar’s post and uses it to attack Rainbows. @Jarjar, it’s somewhat sad that as town, we never pressured him much and he has been given a free pass to lurk, more or less. He has always been rather inactive in the game, only to post briefly in the thread to get a vote in. It’s also significant to note that he never contributed to the thread, besides tunneling jrkirby very hard. READ HIS FILTER. Most of his posts just focus on getting jrkirby. So it seems that his posts or lack thereof seem to suggest that he doesn’t care. Also, he has always avoided Obzy’s calls to go through filters. I find especially alarming, since Jarjar had a town read on Obzy and should have followed him. Although there is one weird thing, Jarjar does call out both Ravens, and Warent based on jrkirby and that Jarjar does have Ravens and Warent as his scumreads. I find it kinda weird that Jarjar would double bus but I assume it is pssible @Jarjar, I’m curious who’s your last scum read then? However at the same time, Ravens never seems to note the accusation from JarJar On April 09 2013 22:33 TheRavensName wrote: Your right, it is a different arguement completly. Because looking back at it, JRK never said he thought Jampi was scum, just that his play style suggested it and he couldn't be sure he WASN'T scum; Which to be fair, most people tend to play blue like that, and as a cop it makes sense to focus on one person, check them at night, then either pile it on or swap to someone else. Mafia won't shoot you if they think they can convince people your at least a little bit scummy. So I feel like his read makes a lot of sense, looking back at it. In this case, Ravens neglects Jarjar’s insinulation that he, Ravens is scum and focuses on something that I don’t really understand and seems to end up with no significance except spam. I don't know what this means, because Ravens looks more scummy and Jarjar perhaps less so. On April 10 2013 02:39 Warent wrote: It amazes me that you chooses to bring that bullshit up again. For reference I put the original post in spoilers. Anyone capable of reading knows I'm right about this, shouldn't really be any need to discuss this further but you did just rose highly on my scum-read meter. + Show Spoiler + On April 05 2013 11:57 Saraf wrote: glhf Can we vote for a no-lynch in this game, or must votes be placed on individuals? Not talking policy Day 1 is bullshit. Scum know who scum are but we don't, and the only way we catch scum is by making them fuck up. Even if the policy ends up being "there is no policy", the debate drives conversation and conversation is the only reliable way we have of rooting out scum and eliminating them. Problems arise for town when scum derails the conversation, so here's some day 1 policy to chew on: In the absence of really strong reads, lynch the spammiest asshole who shits up the thread the most. Spamming the thread is a scum tactic to distract and disrupt town; even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?"), at the very least in Day 2 the thread will be less shit up, and it'll be easier to find scum without him shitting up the thread. Reading through Kirbys filter he comes out very townie to me. The only "weird" post were he provided reads on everyone - but I believe that was a response to us asking him to elaborate further on his early "mystery" read. Other than that most of his actions makes sense from my perspective. I'll re-read the case against Moloch and take a closer look at his filter. again, Warent quotes the same quote regarding Jarjar’s accusations, but here Warent does seem to respond alright. So if Jarjar isn't the last scum, then I feel it's either Fishgle or Smancer. Fishgle I can't get a complete read, since his filter is so short, but he feels kinda useless, since he only sheeped aboard and didn't do much else. As for Smancer, I like some of his posts, but other posts and his voting seems a lil scummy. Last thing is if something I am wrong about the Warents, Raven + 1, then it must be JarJar - Rainbows + 1, but so far I feel like the Warents, Raven +1 is more likely... anyways, this will be probably the last analysis based on the most recent vote and stuff, Smancer has shown he is town, and then in my scumguide, it is fishgle so | ||
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ehh yeah i derped pretty hard. day 1 and night 1, i was gone, and lurking pretty much so ummm yeah, i didn't know shit and followed the town's sentiments that rainbows couldn't be trusted and stuff. day 2 i tried to be more active and derped on jrkirby immensely, I should have read day 1 more carefully but yeah...i read jrkirby as town eventually, but still didn't know who was better than. so yeah... i derped again day 3 im just happy that i actually used coaching and stuff and got a better idea, the advice helped me veer off the Warents bandwagon, because my analysis didn't make sense at times. | ||
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