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so given how things have changed, who are your scumreads, jrkirby? i want you to elaborate on them. i saw some hints but no analysis. i still don't like you
On April 07 2013 07:34 jrkirby wrote: I think jampidampi is town. At least for now. Earlier I had a hunch against him. I thought he was clever. Asking questions of rainbows, getting reads, and but not showing his opinion too much, because he wasn't ready to commit to his reads. Did he focus more on rainbows than anyone else? Yeah. But he also was talking to me, moloch, and saraf. And he had reason to keep his eye on rainbows. Rainbows was doing suspicious things and avoiding his questions.
Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it!
And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched.
somehow you knew that jamp was town and defended him, right after you had insinuated that you were suspicious of him. then suddenly you become a voice of reason and moderation. i hope you can use your clever deduction skills to lead us to the next townie and avoid lynching him or even better offer a great scumread so we kill him. also i still dont understand what you mean there in the bolded...
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On April 09 2013 12:08 Obzy wrote: Also, hi nobody. I really, really wish you'd post more. I understand that posting is hard and the internet is scary, but quite frankly, and I love saying quite frankly and I think I've said it like ten times in this game now, quite frankly, I like winning. And if I want to win as town, I need to be readable as town. And if other people want to win as town, they need to be readable as town. And you aren't readable as town at the moment.
Obzy, i dont like your mentality, why are we necessarily confirming townies, again i fear confirmation bias. at this point, to me, no one has particularly looked townie to me, but even you or rainbows. i like your activeness and posts but not how you are not very clear about your scumreads. i still dont understand the thought process for switching your vote from raven to jarjar (or almost jrkirby). can you explain it to me?
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wow just as i stop lurking, everyone else stops posting. god why does nobody have to wonder alone...are you guys there. lemme know and lets get lynching
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@jrkirby
On April 09 2013 13:46 jrkirby wrote: What I meant by the bolded was this: the mafia don't need to lead the charge on day one. There's a good chance some town will bandwagon another town. All they have to do is make sure that the person bandwagoned isactually town, not mafia.
The only time I was suspicious of jampi was when I had absolutely no evidence. I made that clear every time I mentioned my suspicion, and I never voted for him.
ok...makes more sense, but i still dont see how that related to jampi. as in what did he have to do with not defending anyone... ohhh long post by obzy i read. fun fun, other lurkers and guys, see how much fun we have. post darnnabit
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... uhhhhh scumhunting is the best skill as townie... the big picture is nice but the thing you can use it to nicely avoid contradictions as scum. at this point, i still have reservations on you, because your lack of actual cases ...i think ill check your previous games. perhaps i can gain some additional perspective on your playstyle, because your playstyle to me is a lil weird and unique to me as it has been by far the most townie looking yet non-commital for/lacking in scumreads. overall preferably even if scumhunting is not your forte, you should still do it... don't die with regrets with "oh shit, i knew he was scum"
well time to continue reading...
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On April 09 2013 14:02 Obzy wrote: lol sorry it seemed like I started lurking - I'm totally still here :0 I'm confirming townies because I am a very honest person irl and I am fucking shit at detecting liars and Mafia is a game about detecting liars. You have to detect the liars to win. And since I suck at that, I'm trying to detect the honest, trustworthy people instead, so that I can lynch out of a pool of non-trustworthy people. I really don't want my damn post to fall off the page again, that's probably the longest post I've ever written except maybe a rant once in my other game lol. As regards switching my vote from Ravens to JarJar (and yeah, it was originally Kirby) - to be totally honest, I had lost faith in lynching Ravens for, as described above, no fucking reason whatsoever. I didn't really like that I was voting him. Jarjar had been afk for a long time and I had expected him to provide his reads from filters - he hadn't so I swapped onto him. He then popped up apologizing and said to wait till tomorrow so I guess I'm waiting till tomorrow!
I have a difficult time having the necessary conviction to think that people are mafia without positive reinforcement from other people, I think my votes in the previous game I played were either sheeps or omgus' votes. This game, nobody has really taken charge and driven the town towards targets that I like (and gotten major reactions and discussion out of people) other than the Jampi lynch, which was some sort of combined teamwork mislynch of me and my townreads [at the time]. So I'm feeling a bit out of sorts, the most I feel like I can really contribute in a good way is to get people talking so that there can be a consensus, my individual leadership is not something I have confidence in. *shrug* sorry this isn't really a good reason as to why I'm looking for townreads, and why my scumreads aren't very prominent - I just don't think I'm really that good at this game lol. The only thing I do reasonably well, IMO, is have high activity and show that I am townie through the pro-town-ness of my actions.
Tell me honestly, you're town, don't lie please XD
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+ Show Spoiler +On April 09 2013 13:49 Obzy wrote:sorry nobody, i'm just frustrated. i'm not very good at actual scumhunting, just seeing the big picture - the fact that town is so inactive is getting really ... bothersome. the scummy players are probably catchable at this point, but... Hmph. Okay so here's the issue. I can see pretty much everybody being scum and not scum for various reasons. Fish isn't scum. Assumption. I think that he is improving town atmosphere and behaving in a pro-town way, his stances have not stood out as particularly bad, and I am really glad that he came back and posted several times in a row, bringing new insights and then actually sticking around for a bit. It's like he cares - which is nice. Rainbows' claim and behavior makes him town. I don't think there is any denying that, the majority of things I have said have been confirming this and taking a stance on this and firming this up and etc etc etc. But Rainbows' play is not particularly protown, it has large periods of passive-aggressiveness, and he fits in really well with a kirby scumteam. I don't think he's scum but like jesus I wish he would post more constructively, although his overall activity is pretty nice. JarJar just showed up, and I like his case on kirby quite a bit. The fact that he has so few posts really screams like he doesn't care, but he "sounds" townie by tone, and looks scummy by actions. very frustrating and I really hope he can post actively before ~4ish hours before the lynch so we can try to do some consolidation and discussion on the actual lynch instead of town atmosphere [however important] and lurkers [however frustrating] ahaha. nobodywonder, i'm sorry for being down on you. I realize it's not encouraging and I shouldn't've acted that way, given that I've been hoping for you to post every day. That said, it has been three days. From the 6th 14:01 till the 9th 11:44 you didn't post a single time. Except for once in a starcraft 2 thread, apparently, according to your profile. Exempting everything else, I feel like you don't care about town. Your above post is decent, it looks like it has reasonable townie analysis and apparently there's more to come, but your behavior in lurking has not been pro-town, and has not shown you actually care about how we're doing. If you can fix that, I'll lighten up on you a little bit. Ravens feels very defensive, which I honestly think is townier than not. I hate his tunnel on Rainbows, even though I understand because Rain is not playing in a pro-town manner, I can't reconcile myself to agree with it because I think it's as good as proven that Rain is town. (Like if someone trolly was an innocent child or something is how I see him.) I have no idea what to think of Ravens anymore lol. -_- Smancer is odd. He made, in my eyes, a good case on jampi, and followed the lynch to the end, picking up negative attention. I have a hard time believing mafia would do this, since it puts him strongly in the spotlight. He didn't like my case on Ravens (and I apparently didn't either or I'd still be voting him and he'd be scum instead of null), but he's apparently read me as town all game, so he wasn't just disagreeing because he disagreed with ME, but with the case itself. But then he almost immediately 180s randomly on Rainbows and compliments Rainbows' case on Ravens, what? So I'm somewhat uncertain of Smancer too, it feels like my unvoiced opinion of him shifts drastically throughout a day where I start or end a day thinking he's very scummy, and the next day he's somehow townie, and I don't know what causes these shifts. Regarding Warent, I feel like every time I look at him he's scum, but I also feel like he's acting in a pro-town way. Maybe it's the way he types? On sheer scumminess I swear he's always top. It's unfortunate too that he lives in a different timezone so we have different active hours, but there's obviously nothing that can be done about this. It doesn't help that he soft-accused me and Fish (and Rain), then switched to questioning the people on jampi's wagon and wanting our opinions on each other - but like, that is what I would want if I thought there were scum on Jampi's wagon -_- Kirby... Sigh. I like the case against him. I don't really like that he's lurking (Although really, it's not lurking. It's just blatantly being afk. Jarjar, nobodywonder, Kirby, and Moloch are all, or were all just blatantly afk.) I don't have a damn clue. As is clearly obvious, I don't have any idea who the mafia is and I really hope I get shot night 2 so I can stop worrying! It could be anybody except fish IMHO, with it being more likely to not be Ravens or Rainbow or Warent singlehandedly because they actually have talked to me a decent amount, whereas Smancer made a big deal of talking to me but my opinion of him isn't solidified in my head, and nobodywonder/Jarjar have begun posting again but I don't know how to treat the fact that they were gone for so long. Moloch isn't here, I mean what does that even mean!? He's just like, fucking gone? Still? And he was on jampi's wagon? Like why is he gone lol >.< He was a very solid townread for me exiting day 1 and now he's just not here.and my confidence has eroded throughout the day and several hours that he has been missing and now I have no idea what to think of him. So who are my scumreads, nobodywonder? I don't know. Whenever I think about "if this guy is scum, then ________" i end up with ridiculous conspiracy theories and completely unrelated sets of scumteams with no common denominator. Show nested quote +I believe I'll be able to give good time to posting and give good votes before the end of the 2nd day. Hopefully. If kirby doesn't, I guess I'd lynch him primarily. If you (nobodywonder) and Jarjar are active, I don't really have a problem with you... somehow. If Warent wakes up and isn't protown throughout the next day, I'd also be willing to lynch him. If Moloch doesn't show up at all (and doesn't vote), I don't want to vote on a pure lurker that I was once very town on, so maybe he'll get modkilled or something, but if he shows up and drops a vote with bad reasoning and takes off I'd vote him too. He'd need to stick around for several hours and be townie and explain what he thinks because if he can't then like I'm sorry but that's just not okay. I'm less okay with lynching Ravens and I don't really get why. I refuse to lynch Fish. I'm okay with lynching Rainbows only on day 3 if we mislynch today and he still doesn't die and doesn't pick up his game because I'd rather just fucking kill him and lose than let him troll continuously and then turn out to magically, miraculously, fucking SOMEHOW be scum in the end, despite the fact that it would make no sense and would mean I was completely taken in, I'd kill him and lose just to prevent that anger. Like I don't even know Rain frustrates me because I put so much work into defending him and now it feels like he's not living up to my apparently rather high expectations. Sorry buddy ^^ Don't take this too hard~ And for Smancer and if I'm okay with lynching him - throw a fucking dart, my read on smancer is aligned with the phases of the moon. I hope this post helps people.
obzy i like your analysis on town. its good analysis. the only thing that everyone is lurking/inactive such that no one really has enough townie actions or townie opinions to be more or less confirmed town. definitely need stuff from everyone.
hmmm i hope everyone posts soon, but otherwise imma go back to the filters and the thread and try to get the scummiest...
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hmmm jrkirby, you just have the same stuff as obzy, it's not very inspirational, considering you were the one who deduced jampi was town before the flip. i expected more out of you.
oh hi, moloch, good to see you! well you should definitely get up to date, and give out some scum reads, town reads, other general observations, etc and answer some questions
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Hi, nobodywonder here, I'll be here for about 30-45 minutes before I head to class. I'll be available from in about 3hrs then and get ready for the ultimate lynch then. So now I'll be rereading and taking questions.
First thing, Warent, how did you read jrkirby as town? What kind of townie is he then?
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ok, rereading the thread, and things that have happened since yesterday, i have to say now moloch looks a lot more scummy...good cases guys. now just need to see how moloch defends himself.
btw jrkirby who are your scumreads. besides jjd, whos been attacking?
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jrkirby is scum. lynch him.
There are many suspicious, I will guide you through the exhibits of scumminess
On April 07 2013 07:34 jrkirby wrote: I think jampidampi is town. At least for now. Earlier I had a hunch against him. I thought he was clever. Asking questions of rainbows, getting reads, and but not showing his opinion too much, because he wasn't ready to commit to his reads. Did he focus more on rainbows than anyone else? Yeah. But he also was talking to me, moloch, and saraf. And he had reason to keep his eye on rainbows. Rainbows was doing suspicious things and avoiding his questions.
Yeah, his final case against Rainbows was poorly written, and not convincing. But that doesn't mean he didn't have good reason to write it!
And if you're not reading rainbows as town, JarJarDrinks is a way better choice than Jampi. I'm suspicious that JarJarDrinks cast a vote on e to try to take the attention off Rainbows. Whether that's true or not, jampi hasn't been defending anyone. And that's the only thing mafia needs to do day 1. Just make sure none of they're own are lynched.
first, the sudden town read. this is, by itself, not incriminating, but provides a very important contrast to his later quotes and actions. considering that jamp actually gets lynched, jrkirby does set himself up to look good. this is weird because, in contrast this correct single town read, all of jrkirby's other posts seem to insinuate that he doesnt know what he is doing.
here are some examples:
On April 07 2013 08:26 jrkirby wrote: As I said earlier, it's really hard to tell the difference between scum and bad town.
herp derp, you were absolutely correct on jamp as a bad town. why cant you find other bad town or scum. then. you easily somehow saw the difference when everyone else didn't and dun goofed.
On April 07 2013 08:55 jrkirby wrote: Well only a couple minutes left, I think. Oh, well, we're gonna lynch town...
this quote especially concerns me. WTF, if the town going to lynch townie and especially since you gave a very strong town read, I expect you to fucking stop the lynch. I think if you defended the shit of him, that would have been the correct move - you would actually look even better than after a switch to another lynch, because for someone to stop a bandwagon on a townie shows the likely characteristics of a townie provided there is good reasoning. but instead you just let him die, this is too convienent since allows your mafia agenda.
2nd thing is terrible post history, he has a lot of filler that is not only useless, but also confusing...
On April 05 2013 15:14 jrkirby wrote: Yeah, probably. Lurkers can kill huge lines of marines with splash damage. But we might want to throw down a couple of scans first, if you get my extended metaphor.
does not compute, really. no jargon or metaphor is necessary, just give a simple answer plz. I play SC2 and I don't know what a lurker is. :/
On April 05 2013 15:00 jrkirby wrote: So I'm worried about rainbows. I feel like he might actually be a fatty, and is just acting stupid by accusing random people for no reason. But the way he's acting is just stupid, and only helps the skinnies. And since he's just helping the skinnies I feel like I have to vote for him, because no one is acting as stupid as him. I don't want to lynch all the lurkers just yet - partially because there's 3 of them and it's a crapshot - and rainbows is the only other guy giving off that scum vibe. So until something changes, or one of the scum making a foolish post, my vote is on rainbows.
The mafia are (probably) gonna kill one of us tonight, so it would be good if we at least have a chance of killing one of them tonight. It might not be rainbows but I feel like the chances are better than even.
Hmm, youre not very committed to lynching this Rainbows guy. This combined with your metaphor makes me rather unclear about your thoughts. You seem so far to suggest a policy of lynching stupid behavior.
this is interesting too, since you later propose a conspiracy theory of rainbows, obzy and jjd being mafia at night.
now here is also a huge contradiction. this is after the night kill.
On April 08 2013 09:28 jrkirby wrote: I guess my reads now are smancer, jarjar, and fishgle.
On April 09 2013 14:30 jrkirby wrote:I have a strong townread on obzy. The only reason I ever didn't was when he was defending rainbows and I thought rainbows was scum. Ravens has felt fairly town to me for a while as well. I hate that he still wants to lynch rainbows even after rainbows survived a night claiming vigi. I also don't like his "mistake" with the voting on the first night, but I feel like that was really just a mistake. This is a noob game after all. Overall though, I don't think I want to lynch him today. Maybe day 3. I might be ok lynching moloch but I don't have a good read on him either way. If someone presents a good case I'll think about it. Smancer smells bad to me. I will vote for him if I think that the town is on my side. Warent - Are you still on rainbow's case? - I don't like that he voted for him night one. Really, if someone reveals vigi, they're likely going to die. Either their lying and the real vigi will kill them, or the scum will (eventually) kill them. I'm guessing rainbows only has until the end of night 2. But scum does have roleblock, so he might have a bit longer. I hope we can lynch their roleblock, that would be nice. But Rainbows would probably accidentally shoot town. Well that was off topic. Anyways, I don't like warent for voting rainbows. Actually, come to think, ravens voted rainbows too. Shit this game is hard. I might lynch him tonight too. + Show Spoiler +sorry I'm rambling and not focused on one topic here. I don't think I want to lynch fishgle. He reads town. Yah he voted jampi, but I think he reads as town. I'll relook his filter if someone makes a good case on him.Jarjar has made few posts, almost all against me. I thought he's make a good day one lynch because I had nothing good on him, only bad. But I think we can do better day 2. But please jarjar, say what you think of other people. Please? Don't focus on just one guy. There's 3 scum, so if you think I'm one, who are the other two? I don't wanna just vendetta you. You might just be town. But i could still see myself voting for you.
how the fuck did fishgle randomly change from being a scumread to townread? this makes no sense at all besides a very obvious scumslip. just explain this? if you are town, it shouldn't be too hard, you should be able to clearly demonstrate his transition from scumread to townread. and for that matter, you should told us why he was a scumread in the first place and a town read later.
also smancer smells bad? lol is he sweaty or what? where is your scumread, jrkirby? and why do you have to wait for someone to come to make a case and then bandwagon. this is weak stuff
lastly you play the noob card too much. though i understand this is newbie game, if you just use the noob card so much, town just misregards your opinion, which is useless agenda if you're town, but very convienent if you're scum since you can just blend in.
On April 10 2013 03:27 jrkirby wrote: Jarjar just keeps bringing up stuff from forever ago. Like me voting for ravens: I did that because at the time there was no one I had more of a scumread on. This is my first game of mafia here. Are you going to vote for me because my first vote on the first half first day turned out insubstantial and I retracted it? Me being suspicious of jampi - 1) I never voted for him. 2) I was clear on the fact I had no evidence. Why try to get me on that? Jarjar, your case is worthless.
Obzy - why might you vote for me? I'm sure you'd have a much better case than jarjar if you presented it.
I'm going to come back in several hours and probably vote for one of these four - smancer - jarjar - warent - theravensname. in that order of suspicion.
this is also too convienent for you to just come in and drop a vote without any scrutinizing.
at this point, you are scum - all your actions fit the perfect mold of scum. ##Vote jrkirby
die scum.
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now at this pt, I have class, though lol its not a very hard class, hopefully i wont too busy in it and i can see the progress of it and make a couple of questions and comments then.
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Hi moloch what do you think of my case?
Btw I just to poke fishgle FoS fishgle
What do you think of my case. Why did he suddenly switch his read on you?
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"These two points of your so far are conflicting. First you're saying that kirby is scum because he claimed jampi was town, then you say that he's scum because he didn't do enough to save jampi. I don't buy it."
just quoting moloch, one part from his big post. lemme clarify, for the second part i meant kirby's scum because if he is town then he should have defended jampi more actively. but hmmm, i do now realize that part is rather weak. imma check that section again...
as for the metaphor, lol yeah i actually have played BW, and terran is so much fucking hard. lurkers are so much fucking scarier than swarm hosts or any other zerg unit. /end digress. my point was simply that the metaphor is just filler post, and oh dont forgot that percentage post, that was deep...
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so warent, you don't think jrkirby is scum, okay then, who do you think is scum then?
moloch, so are you leaning scum or town on jrkirby?
obzy, you havent switched off moloch and onto jrkirby. how do you read moloch and jrkirby right now? since you seem to be good with town reads, i look forward to seeing your posts.
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@Warent interesting vote on rainbows, I am still very wary of him, since of his crazy game-winning move in newbie mafia xxix. I like your logic warent. I too am very vary of Rainbows, since some things don't add up.
Since he claimed vigi and if he's town, he should definitely have calmed the fuck down. Instead he's focusing on Ravens so much, almost tunneling and it's not contributing to town atmosphere. However on the other side, Ravens is playing very weirdly and bad for town too. At this point, I still want to lynch jrkirby, but I definitely am considering Rainbows or Ravens on D3, depending on how jrkirby flips.
@Moloch alright good analysis, I really look forward on what we can make out of Jarjar and Smancer. I'll be digging through filters and it would be awesome if we can post at similar times to contrast our thoughts on them.
@Smancer still thinking of getting jrkirby, on the nobody's wonder girls wagon of kpop justice?
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hi jrkirby, good to see you here...
first thing first, explain how fishgle went from scumread to townread. this makes absolutely no sense at all to me, guide me through your thought process.
btw you also dun goofed your vote. need to bold it with an EBWOP
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On April 10 2013 06:49 Obzy wrote: Sure, I can post. I've been curious as to what Moloch's final read is going to be. I don't intend to keep my vote on him any longer (unless he disappeared again) but given that me making this post guarantees he will return, it's not really something that I can hold in reserve any longer.
##Unvote
I still like the case against kirby. I'm feeling happier with Moloch since he's posting, and his logic is good too ^^ Moloch, if you were more active, you probably never would have left my happy townread group haha. You're making a revival atm but don't take that as a sign that it's okay to slow down or stop, because it definitely isn't. /crackwhip ^_^;
At this point, I'm most content with a kirby lynch (last second edit before hitting post - i guess i'll vote on it) ##Vote jrkirby - I feel kiiiinda alright with a Warent lynch to be honest, but I don't feel we should do it today, it'd be very sudden. This is more of a general feeling - Warent just feels scummy. Like I look at his posts and I get that feeling. (No case though[yet], so don't bother thinking about it too much.) We've got four nonvoters, I'm very curious to see where they intend to place their votes - particularly Warent who reads kirby as town.
Fish, get back here and chat for a bit -.-. You aren't a viable candidate today, but I want you to be talking about this because I value your input, and you obviously need to place a vote.
thanks obzy for being on the nobody's wonder girls wagon of justice. Right now, I'm assuming that jrkirby will be lynched, so are you thinking warent D3, and can you expand on a warent lynch?
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@Moloch goatwhore, thats an interesting name lol... haha btw you should post drunk. perhaps the drunken rage will lead us to the scum
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On April 10 2013 07:09 jrkirby wrote: Fishgle was never a strong scumread for me. Maybe 3-4 at some points in time when I read over his filter I think he hasn't done much so he's probably scum. Other times I just get the feeling that he's town. I don't know why.
Also, my post messed up.
##VOTE: JarJarDrinks
@jrkirby :/ thats a disappointing reply on fishgle... I expected more. anyways this is an exciting time for you jarjardrinks, can you pull the nobodywonder (see reference to Newbie XXXIIX) besides jarjardrinks, what do you read (scummy/townie) on your current voters?
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