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Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 10 2013 20:54 GMT

#868

Rainbows, just how many shots do you get?

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 10 2013 20:57 GMT

#873

So you couldn't shoot during the day... You said you used your shot Day 1.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 10 2013 20:59 GMT

#876

Wait, how are you going to shoot Raven

On April 08 2013 22:07 Rainbows wrote:
I shot him last night. Scum probably thought i would and RBd me. If Raven were town I'd probably have been allowed to shoot him and they just nk me instead. Or maybe they just want to push my lynch today.

You used your shot didn't you? Maybe I am confused:

If Vig is rollblocked and tries to shoot someone, does he still have a shot to use later?

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 10 2013 21:00 GMT

#879

Ok I see the PM, yea my bad

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 10 2013 21:03 GMT

#883

On April 11 2013 05:58 Obzy wrote:
Smancer - you quote that I should play to win. I rather believe I have actively been trying to help town win. You are pointing out my words, and ignoring my actions. I fail to see how my claim is remotely important as a topic of discussion, unless you think that my play before claiming looked scummy enough that the claim itself places suspicion on me.

I have already given my opinion on the Raven vs Rainbows discourse - several times, actually. And the vote counts from Warent, who accused me so now I'm fairly 100% certain that he is scum, are not necessarily something I think require discussion since they are a statement of facts rather than good insight as to why they matter, but I will indulge your curiosity, despite thinking you're likely a second scum.

My input on the vote counts:

Show nested quote +

Specifically, I guess I'll note the thing I noticed but am not certain about: Jarjar had 3 votes here, and all three voters on him were town, while four voters were on other targets. This sort of makes me worry that Jarjar is more likely to be town, since mafia wouldn't've felt comfortable with the end of the lynch if he was scum. /shrug although he's still scummy.

I just want to make sure you aren't TRYING to die.

I know you are being active. But both of us has had our focus go every which way over the last 2 days. Lets be active but try to stay on one or two topics. Not jump around so much. We really need to narrow it down and focus on just a couple of things.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 10 2013 21:10 GMT

#886

I am heading out of work now, be back in an hour or two.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 11:33 GMT

#904

The only issue with going nolynch right away that i have is that we will get no information for an entire 48 hours.

So we a/ll vote nolynch now and then we just wait with our thumbs up our asses until the end of the next night to see who they NK

We will have no new information for 72 hours by voting nolynch now.

We should at least investigate and analyze events as they are and try to find scum. Pressure our suspects, do some work. If we don't have anything concrete within t-minus 6-8 hours before the lynch deadline, then we all vote nolynch.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 15:47 GMT

#912

This day is already wasting, there is virtually no activity but lots of things to discuss.

@Rainbows, you said earlier that having 3 blue rolls in this format is "stupid op". Well, we now have two confirmed dead blues, and your claim as vig.

In regards to the nolynch, here are my thoughts:

I've been struggling with how exactly are we going to deduce information from the impending NK ? You said it will give us great information. I am sitting here trying to go through each person left, and trying to determine what it would directly imply if each person, including myself was their target in the night. IN most cases I get into a big heap of circular logic.

Furthermore Mafia knows the reason for a nolynch vote is to try and get information. So why would they NK someone who would give us information. If we vote nolynch today, wouldn't they NK the person that they think would give us the least Info, or the person that would throw us the most of the right path?

Fact of the matter is, all mafia has to do is pick one of us remaining townies at random, and sit back and watch the shit storm that would follow, while we focus entirely on the NK and not the other events that have happened.

I said it before, we have 3 very good things to discuss today before we decide on voting nolynch (well maybe not Obzy claim as he is dead now.).

We have to get a correct lynch, whether it be today, or tomorrow after voting nolynch. And the way I see it voting nolynch today could help the mafia as much is it might help us.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 15:59 GMT

#916

Rainbows, I have been wrong twice now so asking me may not be the best thing in the world. Regardless, I simply don't know anyway. I want to do some actual analysis and investigating today to figure that out... which is the point of my posts.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 16:39 GMT

#922

Ok, so I decided to do what I said. I had three things to focus on Ravens versus TRN, Vote counts and patterns, and Obzy's Claim.

I looked back at everyone, including myself, our filters. And I wrote down for each person who they voted for, in chronological order Day 1 and Day 2.

The only mildly interesting thing I found was two people that have the exact same votes. NW and JJD. They are also heavily lurking JJDs filter is still one page.

Day 1 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby
Day 2 each of them only made 1 and only 1 vote jkirby

JJD's filter is still one page. I am looking through them because I am trying to find more evidence t support that they might be working together.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 17:16 GMT

#929

On April 10 2013 07:14 nobodywonder wrote:
@jrkirby :/ thats a disappointing reply on fishgle... I expected more. anyways this is an exciting time for you jarjardrinks, can you pull the nobodywonder (see reference to Newbie XXXIIX) besides jarjardrinks, what do you read (scummy/townie) on your current voters?

On April 10 2013 03:47 nobodywonder wrote:
btw jrkirby who are your scumreads. besides jjd, whos been attacking?

Why did you want jkirby to make reads on someone other than JJD?

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 18:33 GMT

#932

So now for a third time NW and Jarjar come in a vote for the same person.

I really don't see the big case agains Warrent. I would much rather vote for NW or JarJar. I just went through the last newbie mafia game. JarJar was town. Raven,. Rainbows, you were in that game no? His play was way more active, and he contributed so much more than this game.

Warent gets a couple votes then these guys hop on? There is too much to risk today for a mislynch and they just post 2 lines and hop on bored.

I don't buy it. These two must be scumbuddies.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 18:48 GMT

#936

Lets look at the voting patterns.

Smancer Day 1: Rainbows (joke) -> jkirby -> jamp
Smancer Day 2: Rainbows -> Moloch -> jkirby -> TRN -> Jkirby
Smancer Day 3: none

Raven Day 1: Rainbows
Raven Day 2: Rainbows -> Moloch -> Rainbows
Raven Day 3: Warrent

Now lets look at you two:

JJD Day 1: jikriby
JJD Day 2: jkirby
JJD Day 3: Warrent

NW Day 1: jkirby
NW Day 2: jkirby
JJD Day 3 Warrent

I'm sorry, it is apples and oranges. Yours are identical.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 11 2013 19:11 GMT

#938

How is warrent the most likely to be scum? Was it Jarjars amazing case that put you over the top:

On April 09 2013 22:02 JarJarDrinks wrote:

Warent looks pretty bad to me too. On day 1 he tries to twist rainbows words and (mafia 101) makes a big deal out nothing:

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On April 06 2013 02:15 Warent wrote:

On April 06 2013 01:49 Rainbows wrote:

On April 06 2013 01:24 Warent wrote:

A bunch of generic pro-town things being advocated. He provides a (bad) summary of events in the thread and... that's it.

I was not providing a summary of events in the thread - I was summing up your actions. Perhaps it wasn't clear enough, no worries, hopefully this will make things more clear.

##Vote Rainbow

As far as policies goes, this is my opinion: we should not lynch people based on whims, misinterpretations or lies.
Rainbows third, so called, case against Saraf is completely based on either an obvious misinterpretation or a lie.

Saraf:

even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie (who should have applied the litmus test "does this post help town?")

Rainbow:

I think we should all rally around lynching Saraf, because he called me town and expressed interest in lynching someone he called probably town.

Rainbow:

Saraf seems to know I'm town, because he refers to me as such and tells me how I should be playing.

Saraf has never called Rainbow town. Even if does NOT equal probably town! Rainbow must know this.

I don't think this is a misinterpretation, I think this is Rainbow trying to create something out of nothing. Most likely reason the obvious one - he is scum. And he's not helping himself when he refuses to explain his own action but rather continue to accuse others.

You were summing up the thread because I was the only one doing things.

Saraf literally said: EVEN IF YOU'RE TOWN YOU SHOULD BE LYNCHED. Your defence is lawlzy, please try harder.

He did. And you are trying to make Even if you are into probably are. These are two very different statements. What reasons do you have for twisting the meaning like that, unless you are trying to promote a miss-lynch?

On April 06 2013 08:23 Warent wrote:

On April 06 2013 08:01 Fishgle wrote:
jarjar needs to stop lurking and explain his vote. i also want to see TheRavensName, jampidampi, and Moloch post more so I can get better reads on them.

However, the more i look at Warent's entrance though, the scummier it looks. He gets mad at Rainbows for questioning him and then casts an emotional vote, despite not having any evidence. I think Rainbows was just throwing out votes to create discussion. Warent however, seems dead set on lynching rainbows, and argues semantics.

Now, there's an interesting back'n'forth between rainbow and warent. The most interesting thing about it is that while rainbows is defending his vote, warent instead is defending saraf. What I think happened is that rainbows blindfired, got a lucky hit on a skinny (saraf), and then warent came in to try to defend his skinny exercise buddy. It doesn't help that Saraf is so anti-"spam". Obzy has posted just as much as rainbows, and i don't see anyone complaining that he's "spamming". Discussion is useful. What are we supposed to do, chit chat about nothing while the skinnys kill us off? True, some of rainbow's posts have been less substantial than i would have liked, but he got some discussion going. I don't think that's anything to get lynched over.

I enter with a suspicion and I provided a case. As far as evidence go: I caught rainbow trying to to push towards a lynch based on a misinterpretation that has been pointed out to him several times - yet he argues that his interpretation is the correct one. Why are you ignoring what I wrote in that post?

Cute theory.

Need to sleep now.

On April 06 2013 17:00 Warent wrote:
Obzy,

Before we forget about this: My initial concern was not about his first post. It was the lie (?) in this post that caught my attention: + Show Spoiler +

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=405359&currentpage=8#148

. A lie/misinterpretation you seem to be completely okey with? Even though you later point at the same post at Sarafs and say it yourself - it even wasn't about Rain + Show Spoiler +

Obzy: I don't know what to think of Raven. He hasn't really posted enough - only his last two posts have content I care about;
Why does he think Saraf called Rain an asshole and an idiot? "even if the spammiest asshole is just some poor well-meaning fattie" - how is that implying Rain, unless it's taken for granted that Rain is a spammy asshole? >_>;;; Also, how did Rain interpret it to be calling him out? - -; w/e. I would like to see Raven post more. Raven, are you implying that nobodywonder is town (haven't read him yet, will form an opinion momentarily) with this post?

Up until know you've been careful, but now you've decided TRN is a good lynch target - why? Any other reason than Meta stuff? You think Rains case against him is good, care to elaborate some?

On April 06 2013 17:02 Warent wrote:
Clarification: the same post Rain was misinterpreting of Sarafs and you seem to interpret it like most others.

Man is he harping on that one post that rainbows made. And what better way to try to solidify that case? Kill Saraf and have him flip green.

Wow, amazing detailed analysis.

Maybe it was Ravens detailed case:

On April 12 2013 01:39 TheRavensName wrote:
Very well Mr Rainbows. I don't like how War got away without much scrutiney for the same things I was doing, I don't like how he was acting Last night and didn't scrutinize something that has morepotential scum motivations then that bad medic claim,ut, and I don't like how hes posted so little and hasn't at least pushed something like NW or JarJar did, so I will throw my vote onto him, and you are more then welcomed to tear it apart or get him to talk. Or whatever you want to do. I posted my thoughts on Rainbows already, and if I like what War has added and not what Rainbows has after lurking so long, I will swap around.
##Vote: Warent
Good hunting Gentlemen.

Was the part where he said he'll just throw his vote onto him, or the part where he said he will swap around. Yup to me that screems Warrent must be scum. NO chance of a mislynch here.

Oh, perhaps rainbows has something to add:

On April 11 2013 09:32 Rainbows wrote:
Warent is scum.

My best guess for scumteam is Warent / NW / TRN.

##Vote: Warent
.

Thats it, none of the rest of the post has any analysis on warrent.

So here is my point:

I just want you to remember if we misslynch tonight then we lose. There has to be a better case made against warrent today before I vote for him.

And all I am doing is strarting to do what I said I was going to do. I am scumhunting, I am looking for leads and evidennce. I said yesterday we should analyze:

1) The Raven vs Rainbows discourse. (see my posts earlier today prodding them)
2) The vote counts for D1 and D2 (All I have found here is what I just posted connecting you and jarjar)
3) Obzys Medic Claim (he's dead now not much to follow up with him)

I am doing what I said I wanted to do.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 12 2013 15:53 GMT

#970

When I think about who specifically has helped the town the least its got to be JJD. Lurkermode all day every day. I have been very suspicious of both NW and JJD in my last few posts. It was too soon Day 1 to lynch the lurker, maybe it is the right time now? I would probably lynch JJD today because of how little he has contributed.

I really am torn up between Ravens and Rainbows. I think it would be brilliant if in the end we find out that these two guys are somehow working together as mafia to distract town so much. At this point, if Ravens convinces us to lynch Rainbows and Rainbows draws scum, we would trust Ravens to the end. And vice versa. In the mean time their back and forth has dominated the the thread. I would probably lynch Ravens today. I was game for it last minute before we lynched kirby. At least now we have some time to talk about it. I don't say rainbows because my gut has been his claim was real.

Personally I feel like my Ravens Rainbows read is just speculation and may be flat out ridiculous. I am most confortable lynching JJD. I think he has contributed the least, he has got by from just lurking, and he hasn't helped the town at all.

For the time being, I am going to put my vote on him.

##Vote JarJarDrinks

I am going to read Ravens and Rainbows filter again and write down in my notebook and bullet point their arguments against each other.

Smancer

United States379 Posts

April 12 2013 23:21 GMT

#1021

Guys. isn't jarjar a lay up at this point? Do what we should have done Day 1.

I don't think Warrent is a slam dunk, I don't like how quickly everyone got on him today. Mafia can easily throw 3 votes on whoever they want today.

Don't trust Rainbows because he says so. Make up your own mind. We can still win this.