TL Mafia LXI

On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:

I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town.

You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.

On April 22 2013 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:

Waiting for sick reads BC

On April 23 2013 03:09 ObviousOne wrote:
+ Show Spoiler [huge text by hopeless] +

Hopeless I will discuss Rayn with you for a moment, mainly because I have already talked to Rayn a bit and it's your turn.

+ Show Spoiler [summary crap] +

Rayn switch from null BM to town Sharrant puts him in a bad light. What makes me think Rayn is scum is how desperately long he was calling BM scum when the matter was still up in the air, like he had attached to a read and wouldn't let go of it for anything. I also disagree that the specific things in his original case on Sharrant make Sharrant likely to be scum.

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Why the fuck would miller claims = auto lynch, by the way? I don't vote for claims, especially ones that are unique to town, based solely on the claim. I can claim Testicular Nodule and that doesn't help my case at all, even though it's just as believable. Lynch players for scummy behavior, not bullshit claims on D1.

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Dear Policy Lynchers,

BEAT THE PLAYERS NOT THE SETUP FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOTDOGS WITH MUSTARD.

With great adoration and some purring,
ObviousOne

P.S.
##Vote Raynpelikoneet

On April 23 2013 04:39 yamato77 wrote:
Why could only a mafia player make that statement?

On April 23 2013 04:50 Ace wrote:
jesus yamato is bad at this game

On April 23 2013 04:54 Ace wrote:
I dont understand why people are just letting him skate by.

Rayne is guilty for being a tunneler, not being Scum. I don't see anything he's done that warrants a legit case against him.

On April 23 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace or BC, is there anyone you guys would like to lynch?

On April 23 2013 04:57 ObviousOne wrote:

You called my post scum then voted for Yamato.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO?

On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Sorry, question worded badly.

What differs OO from the other people who think the same?

On April 23 2013 05:21 Vivax wrote:
Or to put it differently, your conclusions are quick, have rather poor reasoning, little doubt, and your filter looks overall shit.

On April 23 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote:

Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading?

On April 23 2013 05:38 Ace wrote:


self aware millers should claim if the role counts are known, and should be expected to get policy lynched if the game goes on long enough. Otherwise not claiming can be brutal as Scum can claim it first and skate off.

On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote:
So why didn't we lynch BC?

And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount?

And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats?

And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch?

And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday?

uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

On April 24 2013 04:29 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats?

On April 24 2013 05:03 yamato77 wrote:
If you idiots lynch me tomorrow, all hope is lost.

Seriously look at this game. The only argument there USED TO BE against me is that I "wasn't contributing" or whatever, when now, I've contributed more meaningful analysis than almost anyone in the game.

Look at BC's filter for yourselves and be amazed at the complete lack of "give-a-shit" you see in his scumhunting. Realize that I'm his ONLY scum read OF THE ENTIRE GAME.

Stop listening to him. If Ace is going to be blind to BC, then he might well be mafia, too, for all I know, but don't let them bully you into voting me when the obvious proof is in front of you.

On April 26 2013 00:39 yamato77 wrote:
How about we not let BC come in and shit all over the town atmosphere?

For once, I'm actually attempting to add some positive vibes to it.

On April 26 2013 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:

I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there?

On April 26 2013 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:

Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption.

And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game.

On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?

On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity?

On April 26 2013 06:02 VisceraEyes wrote:

Yeah you mentioned Ace as third party before too. Is that based on his air of "protownness" that he does NOT exude in other town or scum games?

On April 26 2013 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm not saying he was a wagon leader. I'm saying he called Oats scum at the start of the game, From what i know Oats didn't do anything to change that read. I'm just saying i don't consider Palmar's vote on Oats sheeping.

On April 24 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote:


I beg to differ, I think it's hilarious that we killed Oats.

Hopefully other people will take notice what happens when people call me scum.

On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote:
am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering


##unvote
##vote Oatsmaster

On April 26 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why did you say "Basically this" and then proceed to say something completely different from what I said? Are you budding me BC?!

On April 26 2013 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nonono, buddying implies that you're being overly agreeable with me, not that we have the same reads. But whatever I'm just paranoid. You're like the only person who thinks I'm town in the game apparently.

On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Since when have you been in danger of being lynched?

On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:

Palmar doesn't always express his thoughts clearly, that's what i have learned during the last couple of games. I'm not sure he is 100% town but his reads seem accurate. To me it seems like your case on him is you trying to make the evidence (which i think is false) to fit your case and your case on him points more to you or even Ace being scum than him, because if we are honest here, neither of you have done jack shit to find scum this game.

That's what i think, and that's why i think we should lynch you.

On April 26 2013 20:59 Palmar wrote:


not to mention I'm really good.

so why are we not lynching VE yet?

On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.

On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:

Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things.
It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is.

I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on.

The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush.
Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway
kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment
--->Strong preference to also vote for VE

Votes on Clarity are:
Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace
Sharrant is probably town
rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp
Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated.
OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me.
Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar
---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity.

Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya

On April 27 2013 03:04 Stutters695 wrote:
That's the exact same thing he did with hammering Oats btw.

On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote:


I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now.
I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person.
As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum.
You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you

On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote:

I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly.

On April 27 2013 05:55 Ace wrote:
ShiaoPi's crime looks like sheeping Palmar to vote for you
He probably hasn't caught up because he has no time, but how is that more guilty than Clarity's case that Sharrant made?

BTW I'm clearly willing to switch, but I want to get your reasonings correct. Because some of the people hopping on the wagon might be sheeping you. If they don't even understand your reasons for voting and sheeped that looks bad on them.

On April 27 2013 06:08 Ace wrote:


I mentioned it because Palmar was also trying to get you lynched but it was partly sarcasm.

I understand the point of ShiaoPi not reading the thread - I'm asking how does that make him more guilty than Clarity? Remember Clarity hasn't even shown up since Sharrant blasted him.

On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote:
Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters?

On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote:

BC, what do you say to my response?

Since you're obviously here, reading.

On April 27 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote:

I'm no longer accusing BC of anything.

I'm just saying, this voting analysis of wagons is inconclusive at best. Mafia vote for mafia, town vote for town, and his list of "confirmed" players may not even be accurate, lol.

On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote:


So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum.

My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him.

On April 28 2013 07:02 Ace wrote:


???y

On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote:
Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can.

##Vote ShiaoPi

On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote:
CC -
Kush Town
Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness
Unvoted due to incident.
Leaned towards oats based on effort.
Wants to lynch ShiaoPi
Sharrent Town read
Note: Mentions being town billions of times

WaveOfShadow:
VE Town Read
Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging
Unvoted due to incident.
Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting.
Sharrant town read
Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant
Reinforced Sharrant town read

grush:
bandwagons yamato
suspects gigyas due to bandwagon.
a lot of off topic comments

Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning:



Yet his bandwagon:



When asked about whether he would vote Yamato.

Tube:
???

Drazak:
Has posted, but has never returned since.

Giygas:
Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts.
Hopeless not suspected as scum
Sharrant town read
Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime.

Sylencia:
Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided
Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM
Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats.

VisceraEyes:
Early on uneasy about Palmar.
Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?)
Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts
voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below)



Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic.

Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation.
Says he can get behind an Oats lynch.
Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus)
switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above)

Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE.


Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?)

Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx

On April 29 2013 02:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BC, do you think being lazy makes me scum?

On April 29 2013 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Reading 40+ pages and analyzing them takes longer than reading along with current thread events. The latter is also more fun.
I've always said that I hate big games, and this game was already underway for 60+ pages by the time I replaced in. This has nothing to do with alignment, just with my personality.

On April 29 2013 03:13 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC WHY does everyone read Palmar as town? Srs I can't figure it out. No one seems to know why he's town, but no one wants to lynch him even though it's going on D3 and he's been completely useless. He even tried to derail the Clarity lynch ONTO ME early in D2, yet is trying to take credit for being "right"? WTF

On April 29 2013 08:50 Palmar wrote:


Oh there will be a case. But first I need allies. So far I have Artanis[xp].

On April 29 2013 08:59 Palmar wrote:


Your annoyance I could foresee, you did not expect to have to deal with this today.

You say I am not town, well let us fight then, to the death.

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BloodyC0bbler

I hereby challenge you to a duel to the death. We will fight today, from sunrise to sunset. The field of honour will be this very thread.

The ammunition, our words, the weapons their votes.

One will walk, one will hang.

Your move.

On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote:
BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours?

On April 29 2013 09:20 Ace wrote:
stutters is vigi food, or should have been last night. we probably dont have too many since a number of "need to be dead people are alive". yamato needs to die.

what about VE makes him 3p but not scum?

On April 29 2013 09:22 Ace wrote:
?? I already named them

On April 30 2013 05:35 Ace wrote:


Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts?

@stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way?

On April 30 2013 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is BC still around or did he literally just show up to buddy Ace?

On April 30 2013 09:49 TheRavensName wrote:

If one of the cops is scum, then 3p and mafia can kill off two of them and were left being forced to assume the living cop is town because no one can verify it. Or hell, even if the 3rd party is poisioner, and mafia only has 1 kp with no vigi shots (Though JOAT can vigi0 left, if we lose even one cop the cycle falls apart.

On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote:

Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar.

On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:

Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake.

On April 30 2013 23:26 Sharrant wrote:
I don't see a town jailer doing that, to be honest. My most likely scenario is:

N1:
Palmar jailed (seemed to be the towniest looking Vet in a lot of people's eyes)
BC RB'ed

N2:
Ace Jailed (Just lynched scum)
Either Ace also RB'ed or maybe RB on their shot (not sure if that messes with veteran orSK/SP protection in this game.)

N3
??? Jailed
VE RB'ed

I will be considering VE confirmed town because of this. The exception is if it was a town jailer who jailed BC, Ace was double jailed, and the jailer did not think the plan through and decided to VE because... terrible reasoning? It seems like a stretch to think of this as two town jailers.

But I would wager that Palmar and Ace were both town jailed. I guess it remains to be seen if there's another roleblocked player. But a town jailer jailing VE just does not make sense to me.

On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote:


BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you.

On May 01 2013 05:18 TheRavensName wrote:

I don't see where you specifically attack palmar on the basis of thinking his RB claim is bullshit. I see you bashing his play but not that specifically.

On May 01 2013 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote:

I'm with you there - cop claim is fishy as hell, like, as if Paranoid Cop wasn't the most predictable scum fake-claim EVER amirite?

On May 01 2013 05:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

Or scum JOAT, as TRN and I discussed. That would fulfill the possibility that neither of you is lying.

On May 01 2013 06:24 VisceraEyes wrote:

Host WIFOM will get us nowhere. Not to say I disagree with looking into Artanis/Stutters, they're both VERY low content players who deserve scrutiny - but do it based on that and not because of who was modkilled.

On May 01 2013 06:29 TheRavensName wrote:

3rd Party pierce protection.

On May 01 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well that still works with 1KP, perhaps scum shot the protected guy?

I don't know, it's all speculation. But because we've gone a couple nights with 1 kp I think it's logical to at least say it's less likely that there's poisoner/SK around.

On May 01 2013 06:49 ObviousOne wrote:
BC? IIRC check his filter it's short and sweet if it was him

On May 01 2013 06:52 WaveofShadow wrote:
Oh wait. Can town JOAT JK? Cause I has a theory if so. If not its the above.

On May 01 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote:
Is he a better check than say Artanis? I was gonna check Artanis since he keeps promising to do stuff and keeps complaining about having done stuff and I can't see any stuff he's actually done.

On May 01 2013 07:44 WaveofShadow wrote:
Why the fuck do we have so few confirmed town this late in the game.

On May 01 2013 09:04 kushm4sta wrote:
this is scum? i dont think so

On May 01 2013 09:09 kushm4sta wrote:
well his reasoning is good and perfect but I guess that would actually make sense if he was busing

On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why?

On May 01 2013 09:19 VisceraEyes wrote:



What has changed?

On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote:
The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip.

So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace.

As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation.

Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter.

What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before.

Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan.

Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him.

So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum.

On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote:


BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl.

On May 01 2013 09:43 Ace wrote:
just go through his filter and look at the extreme pretzel logic he uses to justify someone being Scum.

"yes, Ace brought up 3 suspects, 2 of which did flip Scum. But seriously, he tried to bring me up too!
wait what? he ignored me and lynched clarity? well fuck that's his scumbuddy! he called shiaopi town, and the guy flipped red! LEADING LYNCHES OF SCUM MAKES YOU SCUM TOO! I DONT CARE IF THERE WERE 20 PEOPLE ALIVE AND A BUS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE! SCREW LOGIC!

On May 01 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote:
Alright are we lynching into an active or inactive player tomorrow? Personally I think it's going to have to be active (ie the yamato/palmar group v stutters/kush/giygas). I'm not set on yamato so much just yet and I'm not sure what turned thread sentiment around so quickly, so I'm still going to be leaning Palmar who hasn't done dick all in quite a while. Wouldn't be surprised if he gave up given his scumteam. BC the one thing I find odd with one of your points against Palmar is the fact that he tried to get you lynched based on a redcheck of you with no sanity confirmation. Why would a scum Palmar do that? He obviously knows better than to think that alone would get people to listen to him.

TRN how goes the mason QT?

On May 01 2013 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote:

My 2c is that a town Palmar might have been interested in confirming his sanity BY lynching you...made evidenced by how little he actually TRIED to get you lynched and how quickly he freeformed into a Sylencia lynch. Logic makes me think that he would have tried to push you as more important to get rid of if scum AS scum.

But yeah that's WIFOM and whatever.

On May 01 2013 10:15 Palmar wrote:
also bc isn't town. Ace probably is, and VE might be.

On May 01 2013 10:18 Palmar wrote:


you never do jack shit on the one day of mafia that I think matters and the one day I'm actually very good at, day 1.

So I don't care if I can't read you, not my problem

On May 02 2013 23:08 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Sick defense dude.

On May 02 2013 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Good point. I'll stop replying to you until you actually read the case and try to refute it.
I doubt that'll happen anyway, seems you've already resigned.

On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy.

On May 02 2013 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Seeing you respond to things I've already addressed in my case is painful. Pls read.

On May 03 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote:
Well, it's painfully obvious to me that we should just RNG between Ace/Hopeless/BC and insta-lynch them.

---

List Randomizer

There were 3 items in your list. Here they are in random order:

Hopeless
Cobbler
Ace
Timestamp: 2013-05-02 19:20:03 UTC

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Random.org has spoken. We lynch Hopeless.

On May 04 2013 01:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
BC, if you're actually town convince me that Palmar is scum. I'm 99.99% sure one of you is scum and 90% that it's you. Put some fucking effort in.

On May 04 2013 02:03 Palmar wrote:
Where did I purposely fuck with the thread BC? Prove that I have please.

On May 04 2013 02:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Has Palmar done anti-town stuff? Yes. Does playing anti-town make you scum? No. You should know that. Palmar is playing a game of not giving a shit, that doesn't make him scum. You've played a game in which you do appear to give a shit, yet never gave a shit for who actually got lynched.


Ace flipped 3rd party, his goal wasn't to lynch scum so his words mean nothing. VE actually considered you suspicious by the end of his life. One of his last posts was


He also mentioned that he was warming up for Yamato.


So no, he didn't have the same suspects as you do right now. Your appeal to authority of dead players has failed. They will not protect you for the incoming doom. You will hang, and your red blood will drip from the gallows.

On May 04 2013 02:29 yamato77 wrote:
I've been telling you guys that Ace and BC were suspicious the whole game. One flips third party, and you don't want to lynch the other?

Give me some validation here.

On May 04 2013 03:05 Stutters695 wrote:
I did not. I mentioned before that I'd like to wait for him to actually respond.

I was saying those 4 quotes were in a period of relative inactivity so there wasn't much for him to push in that period. His lack of actually saying it himself concerns me.

Also this came to me when I was listing my games but iirc BC was scum in Whose Line and his play was similar. I can't verify until tomorrow but if someone wants to look into it that'd be great or I'll do it tomorrow.

On May 04 2013 03:29 yamato77 wrote:

I very clearly argued against an Oats lynch, but thanks for showing how little attention you're paying to this game.

On May 04 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
You're just mad you're going to lose.

On May 04 2013 04:58 Palmar wrote:
Bc are you cool with a 1 - 2 punch for us?

You're absolutely certain that I am scum. I am absolutely certain you are scum. Town has plenty of mislynches. We randomly choose one of us to die today, then the other flips the next day.

On May 04 2013 05:20 Palmar wrote:


. As long as you're absolutely 100% cool with an automatic lynch on you when I flip town. I don't even care if I get lynched tomorrow. Hell let's just lynch me and get it over with!

On May 04 2013 05:35 Palmar wrote:
Also BC, until tomorrow I have a new game for us.

I actually didn't expect you to be so willing to trade your life for mine, as 1 for 1 scum/town is terrible at this point in the game, and you kinda look like you've accepted that if I flip town you'll die.

So, now I think there's a tiny chance you may actually somehow be town. And since it's not like we can murder each other let's play the game a tiny bit differently. You and I assume each other are confirmed town, and we scumhunt in the rest of town.

I have some free time tonight, you in?

On May 04 2013 05:46 Palmar wrote:


ok I'll be back an about 30m-1h

First topic: My very strong townread on Bill Murray based on his day 1 posting. I was not kidding when I said "towniest fucker in the thread" His play is enormously different from what I've come to expect of scum murray.

Would you agree that BM shouldn't be a lynch candidate?

respond, and throw me one of your reads. Let's ping pong the remaining players like that.

On May 04 2013 08:32 Bill Murray wrote:
of those 3 we should lynch hopeless first due to his lack of presence
at least d1 we got a lot of information out of yamato... and ace shifting the wagon is irrelevant now that we know he was 3p

On May 04 2013 08:43 ObviousOne wrote:
Inb4 anyone else says it! last ditch effort scum Yamato bussing scum Hopeless!

On May 04 2013 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
I have a strong townread on Yamato. He also brought up the idea of BC being 3rd party survivor when reading through the case. Seems like he actually thought it through and evaluated it.
That he randomly started pushing BC after Ace flipped 3P is concerning though. I haven't seen his thought process behind it.

On May 04 2013 09:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Yes, but don't forget Stutters (which you put as null) and TRN (whilst masoning Palmar is ballsy there's something off about a bunch of his posts to me). Getmoript has also played an awful game. How certain are we that the modconfirmed thing is truly modconfirmed?


I'll reread both filters tomorrow. It's true that everyone had Ace down as 3P, but that wasn't the thing that concerned me. The thing that did concern me was how Yamato changed reads from putting you as 3P to scum when it was incredibly likely that Ace would flip 3P and he knew that, so why did it change?


It matters because Survivor can win with town so a survivor doesn't need to be eliminated. A SP/SK does need to be eliminated as it can't win with town. There's no reason to lynch survivor, there is a good reason to lynch SP/SK.

On May 04 2013 09:09 yamato77 wrote:

Read this post against and tell me just how much like bullshit it sounds.

Completely ridiculous.

On May 05 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
That makes no sense, there was like 0% chance you'd get hit. wtf JK

On May 05 2013 02:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Two scum JK's don't make sense though, because then where did the second hit go on the day Vivax died?
I just won't believe scum doublestacks Vivax on N1, especially when they have two roleblockers to block people that they suspect are blue.

On May 05 2013 02:29 GiygaS wrote:
Yeah, those reads got destroyed when my computer crashed, I really do not feel like re-making it, but if people want me to I can.

On May 05 2013 02:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

In that case, all town has is 2 cops, a paranoid cop and two masoners against a scumteam with at least 2 JK's, a vigilante and a framer. Roleswise that seems pretty damn scum favoured. Just based on balance alone I'd say it's more likely both town and scum have one each.

My original thought was that if scum shot Ace, they'd simply claim to have a guilty check on Ace (3rd party shows up as scum) and get the free towncred as well as make sure scum doesn't get lynched that day. Could've worked on both days that scum got lynched. However, I forgot that they could think that they shot a veteran too, so it would be a risk.

Thirdly, I don't think they would perma jail Ace if they found out he was third party. Scum was in a bad position. Letting Ace free for one night would make town focus on him again and divert attention away from scumhunting.

On May 05 2013 02:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

Because town was far ahead. It'd be likely that Ace would target obvious townies because as 3rd party you don't want one party to get massively ahead. It'd serve his wincon better to aim for town. As town jk you know 100% certain that blocking Ace stops a kill that's probably aimed at town. I don't know why you wouldn't instantly go for that.

On May 05 2013 02:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

I have something I want to point out about that but I want to see if Yamato points it out first.

On May 05 2013 02:48 yamato77 wrote:
It literally gives us 2 confirmed town, the JK, and the guy he didn't protect night 1.

You're delusional if you think that's scummy.

On May 05 2013 02:53 yamato77 wrote:
And you are scummy, because you never did push any lynch.

I find it funny that you want to reject logic that might confirm you as town with the JK business.

On May 05 2013 02:56 yamato77 wrote:
Who knows, JK might be someone else we're looking at.

Why the fuck are you arguing against confirming 2 town this late in the game?

On May 05 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote:

Because I lynch mafia, and you are very likely to be mafia.

Either way, I'd rather lynch hopeless today, but the BC/Palmar situation could be resolved in reality, and not some pretend fantasy world so long as the JK claims and clears one of you.

On May 05 2013 03:09 TheRavensName wrote:
I dunno, I think one of the lurkers has to be scum at this point. What happened to Sharrant and Giggles? They look way worse then anyone else to me right now for just how little they are actually doing, followed by stutters and Hopeless.

On May 05 2013 03:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote:

When would he have started bussing though? If clarity was already afk for quite some time it could be worth it.

On May 05 2013 03:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote:
Presuming Hopeless will flip scum, I feel that clears Yamato entirely, as far as he's still on the table. Since we're leaving BC and Palmar until we're one mislynch away, and removing people I'm confident are town, we have Stutters, TRN and Bill Murray left.

On May 06 2013 06:06 Palmar wrote:


I don't think it tells us much about Artanis's alignment at all. I stand by my earlier assessment that he's town.

I am certain we need to lynch into these 4 people, based on my analysis during the night, with the added dimension that I think you must be town because you would have shot me if you realized I could be insane.

Giggles
BC
Yamato
Hopless

I am inclined to lynch BC, based on what I wrote earlier about his effort and attitude towards the discussion I brought up during the night. I think we now 100% know what his reads are (Hopeless/Yamato) since he stated them pretty clearly, so if he flips town, we have all the information we need from him.

I don't think he'll flip town though.

On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote:

Ah found it, ok you're right.
Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though.

On May 07 2013 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote:

I'm more convinced at this point I'm a greater benefit to town dead than alive. There's too much bullshit reasoning right now. Once people realize they need to rethink their stance on a lot of things, I'd hope it clears up a lot of things. With Palmar/BC set to potentially resolve itself (pending JK assistance and NK information) the town is going to need to play an effectively town-favored vanilla game.
By my count its likely to be
11 town v 2 scum
or
10 town v 2 scum v 1 3rd Party
Once we mislynch (its practically inevitable at this point...) we'll be playing a normal mini.

---

@Yamato's read post, there's this excerpt:

I'm hoping thats based on his supposed roleblocker read/breadcrumbs or something to that effect because otherwise I'd lynch Yamato for this read.

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@Jailkeeper, I suggest claiming at the deadline for the daypost with your targets in the event that you are killed during this coming Night. I am of the opinion that the information is more valuable than your life at this point. Confirming one of BC/Palmar and shedding some light on how accurate yamato's reads are could potentially end the game. Also DO NOT block Palmar since he needs to use his check, duh.

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P.S. my vote remains on BC. See Artanis' case and Palmar's comments on the night ping-pong discussions.

On May 07 2013 08:32 Palmar wrote:
Maybe it's bias, but honestly, yamato is using exactly the same shitty logic I tend to use when I'm scum.

On May 07 2013 08:34 yamato77 wrote:

2/4 of those people aren't town.

Good company you keep.

Whatever, if you guys actually get close to lynching me, I will out the JK and hammer myself. This game has officially gone full retard.

On May 07 2013 08:41 yamato77 wrote:

Apparently no one is reading the thread closely enough anyway, but that doesn't surprise me.

Why would I, as scum, suddenly not want to lynch you when multiple people were ready to do so?

Use your brain, please.

On May 07 2013 12:18 geript wrote:
I'd much rather just lynch palmar because his ego is insufferable.

On May 07 2013 12:28 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah, I'm tired of fighting stupid

I resolve myself of responsibility for the outcome of this game.

On May 07 2013 12:30 yamato77 wrote:

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

I handed you scum on a silver platter and you voted to lynch me.

Go reread the game.

On May 07 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote:

Hopeless and Palmar

Their combined filter is smaller than mine, but I'm being lynched over the both of them.

Fantastic.

On May 07 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote:

Hopeless and Palmar

Their combined filter is smaller than mine, but I'm being lynched over the both of them.

Fantastic.

On May 07 2013 12:36 yamato77 wrote:
Whatever, BC

You're obviously biased. There's no reasoning with you. I hope you regret your idiotic decision making today when I flip town.

On May 07 2013 12:50 getmoript wrote:

If palmar is town why didn't he realize his sanity wasn't confirmed?

On May 07 2013 12:52 getmoript wrote:

Then why are we listening to him on voting Yamato?

On May 07 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:

2 of those people aren't town, and VE can't read me for shit.

Stop appealing to authority. Your play this game has been to tunnel a townie the whole game. By no stretch of the imagination can I control your awful read of me.

On May 07 2013 13:01 getmoript wrote:
The push on Yamato today didn't really come until Yamato made a post that makes him town and palmar pushed him.

On May 03 2013 05:30 getmoript wrote:
I like yamato for lynch the best. He's been so completely different from the yamato I've seen play that I just don't like it. I think his hopeless push is just trying to move support towards an easy potential mislynch. I'd be willing to consolidate onto palmar, but I feel comfortable enough with everyone else after rereading.
#vote yam

On May 07 2013 13:17 getmoript wrote:

Yes, 4 people having the same read is a indication of bad play alignment regardless. But that doesn't make him scum. And town have defended scum before that also happens.


But did Ace play a pro-towny game? No. He helped push Oats/Yamato D1. He pushed inactive scum over mostly inactive scum D2. He pushed town over inactive scum D3. He acquiesced to inactive scum D4. He got caught D5 based on roleblocks. That's not very pro-town especially when you consider that he couldn't have know if/when Tube was going to be modkilled and then not been able to backdown on scum D2. Ace's 'scumread' on yamato could easily be explained by Ace wanting to limit the yamato tunnel OR by wanting to eliminate a good player. If anything, Ace's scumread on yamato makes yamato more likely to be town.

On April 24 2013 00:10 yamato77 wrote:

Maybe you scum.

On April 24 2013 00:10 yamato77 wrote:
CLARITY

LYNCH BC WITH ME.

IT'S THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUS JUSTICE.

LET YOUR NEW EMPEROR REIGN.

On April 24 2013 17:41 yamato77 wrote:
Ace
BC
Rayn
VE
CC

mafia?

On April 25 2013 23:30 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah I'm not in love with lynching either of Clarity or Hopeless myself.

I'd say you should look at BC, VE, and ShaioPi to make a lynch decision, if you can't find reasonable suspicion of someone else.

Though if you think VE is town, we might want to lynch Palmar. Like, a lot. A lot, a lot.

On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote:
The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized.

Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally.

Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time.

At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly.

On April 27 2013 06:47 yamato77 wrote:


Close enough:


Town read on me.



Before I said I would respond. Reasonable, somewhat.



This chain of quotes from you is suspicious as fuck. You want to be suspicious of me before I even fucking respond.



Fuck you, you're mafia.

On April 27 2013 06:50 yamato77 wrote:

How about his inconsistent bullshit read of me?

Yes, he's mafia.

On April 27 2013 12:13 yamato77 wrote:
That or scum is actively bussing a lurky Shaio

I mean, they're pretty much the same fucking lynch, IMO. Both are lurky, both have done almost nothing this entire game.

I would lynch Clarity over Shiao, but I'd prefer we lynch someone who I can actually be confident is mafia, hah.

On April 29 2013 11:02 yamato77 wrote:
My epeen would grow immensely if I was right about Sylencia being potentially mafia just from his vote post

I agree with his lynch, he is believably mafia.

On April 29 2013 14:50 yamato77 wrote:

You're right, VE.

So you could put your vote on mafia, and we could be one step closer to figuring this whole shitfest out.

On April 29 2013 14:51 yamato77 wrote:

He's been trying to get us to lynch Shiao this whole time

Don't overthink this, Bill.

On May 07 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote:

Lol, whatever.

You have the same problem as Ace. You don't like how I play. I don't give a shit.

On May 07 2013 13:43 yamato77 wrote:
Have you figured out why I think Palmar is scum over you yet?

I bet you haven't. I bet you're not even reading my posts today, because it's in there, and it's obvious.

On May 07 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote:

So you're not reading the thread? I guess I'll point it out to you, since you can't manage.

On May 07 2013 13:48 getmoript wrote:
Can you two please quit bitching back and forth? BC if you want to prove that yamato is scum, then aim your posts at not yamato. Yamato quit responding to BC. The back and forth is worthless.

On May 07 2013 13:51 yamato77 wrote:

Read the posts, and the quotes. It explains my entire play today, which you apparently can't understand.