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On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote: I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town. You, on the other hand, are worth looking at. Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here. Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading | ||
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Its day 1, id expect to not get those from me at this juncture. Yamato is likely scum, BM should be lynched or vigi'd. If drH doesn't appear within the next 12 hoursish he is almost deff scum. | ||
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On April 23 2013 03:09 ObviousOne wrote: + Show Spoiler [huge text by hopeless] + On April 23 2013 02:03 Hopeless1der wrote: You didn't give a shit when you voted him Note that your vote post cites a lynch all miller claims as a policy for your vote. raynpelikoneet, Do you disagree? This is a 'yes' or 'no' question specifically referencing whether or not you used a policy to justify your initial vote on Bill Murray. Hopeless I will discuss Rayn with you for a moment, mainly because I have already talked to Rayn a bit and it's your turn. + Show Spoiler [summary crap] + As with what seems like several players here, I was under the impression that his original vote was a policy lynch on self-aware miller claims. I asked about it, and it later was clarified that BM saying 'sheverus shnape' was reason to call him scum. Then we talk about how it wasn't really a miller claim after all, and Rayn stayed on BM's nuts for it past the point of good reason. BM does what BM does. Rayn switch from null BM to town Sharrant puts him in a bad light. What makes me think Rayn is scum is how desperately long he was calling BM scum when the matter was still up in the air, like he had attached to a read and wouldn't let go of it for anything. I also disagree that the specific things in his original case on Sharrant make Sharrant likely to be scum. Why the fuck would miller claims = auto lynch, by the way? I don't vote for claims, especially ones that are unique to town, based solely on the claim. I can claim Testicular Nodule and that doesn't help my case at all, even though it's just as believable. Lynch players for scummy behavior, not bullshit claims on D1. Dear Policy Lynchers, BEAT THE PLAYERS NOT THE SETUP FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOTDOGS WITH MUSTARD. With great adoration and some purring, ObviousOne P.S. ##Vote Raynpelikoneet You are scum for what I bolded. | ||
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On April 23 2013 04:39 yamato77 wrote: Why could only a mafia player make that statement? Simple, its setting up a situation in which a miller can claim to get himself not lynched. Guess what? if you are someone who gets red checks on you, you get lynched or shot. If I claim self aware miller and town accepts it, whats to stop mafia from doing it once? Whats to stop them from doing it period and hope to god a ton of other people don't claim? If you accept bullshit claims like that then it auto confirms people for no reason other than players are stupid. If you are someone who gets a red check when checked you die. | ||
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On April 23 2013 04:50 Ace wrote: jesus yamato is bad at this game not everyone can be ace | ||
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On April 23 2013 04:54 Ace wrote: I dont understand why people are just letting him skate by. Rayne is guilty for being a tunneler, not being Scum. I don't see anything he's done that warrants a legit case against him. because people are bad? | ||
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On April 23 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: Ace or BC, is there anyone you guys would like to lynch? The guy Im voting for? You know, the one I called out for having the single most scumtastic post in the thread? | ||
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On April 23 2013 04:57 ObviousOne wrote: You called my post scum then voted for Yamato. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I also called him scum before that and he has still the single worst post in the thread. Good attempt though | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO? I already answered that question on the previous page | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry, question worded badly. What differs OO from the other people who think the same? Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum. | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:21 Vivax wrote: Or to put it differently, your conclusions are quick, have rather poor reasoning, little doubt, and your filter looks overall shit. I die d1 / n1 virtually every game where towns typically overall have terrible play / doing really wtf. Its to the point that anything I view as extremely easy to understand logically I will likely not explain fully. Why? Because I am not here to teach you how to play. Also anyone who bases reads on a player exclusively on a filter without the context of posts should be ashamed. | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote: Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading? What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic. | ||
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On April 23 2013 05:38 Ace wrote: self aware millers should claim if the role counts are known, and should be expected to get policy lynched if the game goes on long enough. Otherwise not claiming can be brutal as Scum can claim it first and skate off. Role counts aren't known though so its a moot point. In a role counts game you can have the entire game mass claim and anywhere number of claims differ from whats listed you lynch/vig into thus forcing mafia to hide in the vanilla's or lose. | ||
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On April 24 2013 04:01 yamato77 wrote: So why didn't we lynch BC? And why did Vivax apparently post an intentionally misleading votecount? And why did people not listen to me and not hammer Oats? And why did Clarity apparently not care that town was lynching someone he didn't want to lynch? And why did no one decide to listen to the only person who gave a fuck about who we were lynching yesterday? uuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuugggggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me. | ||
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On April 24 2013 04:29 Vivax wrote: + Show Spoiler + On April 24 2013 04:26 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You don't lynch BC because he was right about who he pegged. You don't listen to you because you are scum. Clarity is likely not town thus he doesnt give to shits, and I have no clue why no one decided to listen to me. Can I ask what your schedule is? It'd be nice to know when you're actually in the game. I guess people didn't lynch yamato cause, uh, you weren't there to provide better reasons or at least motivation to lynch him over Oats? I am aroundish till 9ish tonight, gone from then till sometime mid thursday afternoon, gone friday morning, gone sat morning and likely all saturday if plans stay as they are, gone sunday morning possibly afternoon/evening. I am busy. Nor should I have to be around to tell people how to make obvious choices. Yamato has done sweet fuck all. He trolled, spewed anti town shite, and only "contributed" when he was close to death. He calls oats scum then blindly comes out of no where and says he doesn't want to off him, says he wants to off ve for voting oats (which was thread sentiment) then attacks me blindly as well. He has done nothing productive. He has done basically nothing useful. The lynch on him vanished for no reason than oats was brought up as a lynch on shitty reasons. Towns need to realize how to step back and think about situations. | ||
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On April 24 2013 05:03 yamato77 wrote: If you idiots lynch me tomorrow, all hope is lost. Seriously look at this game. The only argument there USED TO BE against me is that I "wasn't contributing" or whatever, when now, I've contributed more meaningful analysis than almost anyone in the game. Look at BC's filter for yourselves and be amazed at the complete lack of "give-a-shit" you see in his scumhunting. Realize that I'm his ONLY scum read OF THE ENTIRE GAME. Stop listening to him. If Ace is going to be blind to BC, then he might well be mafia, too, for all I know, but don't let them bully you into voting me when the obvious proof is in front of you. You do realize I've done this exact same thing the last few games I was town? You know, called people out for being mafia via 1 post or general post sentiment. Guess what? ive been shot for it every time and been right for it. Now obviously I could end up being wrong about you. However you have done nothing to sway me in any way that I am wrong in my read. You are not playing in any way I can see that a townie would play in. I will give you credit though, Ace is likely not town. However he is also not likely mafia. And only scum read? Ive listed others. Good try though. You are the only one im pushing | ||
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I am now going to go through the thread and catch up on the day. However this may take me a bit of time so bare with me | ||
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On April 26 2013 00:39 yamato77 wrote: How about we not let BC come in and shit all over the town atmosphere? For once, I'm actually attempting to add some positive vibes to it. Just throwing this out there dude. Comments like this are why I think you are a terrible player or scum. Because this is another one of those "i should lynch you to hell" Posts. Now to continue reading. | ||
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First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for. Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death. He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people? Simple. Yamato is scum. Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad? Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit" Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch. Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town. Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat. | ||
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On April 26 2013 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote: I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there? Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum. | ||
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Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers, | ||
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On April 26 2013 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote: Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption. And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game. As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc" I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped. | ||
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On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote: So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity? Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books. People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:02 VisceraEyes wrote: Yeah you mentioned Ace as third party before too. Is that based on his air of "protownness" that he does NOT exude in other town or scum games? Basically this. In most games as mafia or town, Ace has a more "assertive" personality. IE he dictates the flow of the game as best he can. In either case he pushes his own ideals and when scum attempts to have this appear townlike. However. With such a generic apathy of who to lynch and no solid pushing / shooting down conversational avenues that aren't worth talking about he just lets the thread get cluttered. I believe he in day 1 advocated for a quick lynch. Why would a townie want a quick lynch when the more time to talk the better? Given his lack of assertiveness I have him as third party. | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: I'm not saying he was a wagon leader. I'm saying he called Oats scum at the start of the game, From what i know Oats didn't do anything to change that read. I'm just saying i don't consider Palmar's vote on Oats sheeping. I do. His case on oats primarily revolved around Oats calling him scum. He even made a post On April 24 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote: I beg to differ, I think it's hilarious that we killed Oats. Hopefully other people will take notice what happens when people call me scum. Why is it hilarious to lynch a town? Why was his main reason to vote Oats when he did later On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote: am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering ##unvote ##vote Oatsmaster Seriously. Hes done nothing productive this game. | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Why did you say "Basically this" and then proceed to say something completely different from what I said? Are you budding me BC?! I clarified my exact reason. He normally attempts to exude that air but his level of assertiveness is the third party remark. Buddying you would imply I only was following your reads. Given I have my own I would say we mutually have similar reads. | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote: Nonono, buddying implies that you're being overly agreeable with me, not that we have the same reads. But whatever I'm just paranoid. You're like the only person who thinks I'm town in the game apparently. To be fair you are also one of the few who thinks I'm town as well. However if anyone compared your play here to boardwalk perhaps they would see a different VE. I find it unlikely to have someones scum game change this drastically in one game. Let alone a scum who would defend a town BC when it would be more advantageous to let me die. | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Since when have you been in danger of being lynched? I have been talked about for the last two days of being scum. IE there is potential chance of me dying to lynch or vig bullet. Period. If VE was scum and saw this happening. Why would he not fan the fire / just let it continue. Instead he opted to defend me. Given that only two players in this game of done so and have also been logical overall in their reads. I find it likely they are more likely town than scum. | ||
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On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar doesn't always express his thoughts clearly, that's what i have learned during the last couple of games. I'm not sure he is 100% town but his reads seem accurate. To me it seems like your case on him is you trying to make the evidence (which i think is false) to fit your case and your case on him points more to you or even Ace being scum than him, because if we are honest here, neither of you have done jack shit to find scum this game. That's what i think, and that's why i think we should lynch you. Read Palmars filter, tell me what hes done and where VE lied. All I see is an excuse for him made by you and not him. If I was being reamed for not expressing myself in detail why is Palmar getting off the hook for the same shite? | ||
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On April 26 2013 20:59 Palmar wrote: not to mention I'm really good. so why are we not lynching VE yet? cause hes likely town. | ||
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On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote: Well, that took a lot of time to read. Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep. I am currently torn between clarity and VE. Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure. ##vote: VE If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you | ||
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On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote: Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is. I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on. The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity. Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly. | ||
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On April 27 2013 03:04 Stutters695 wrote: That's the exact same thing he did with hammering Oats btw. Since you are here. Can you give me an outline of your thoughts. Reads, reasons for the, etc... You have an extremely small filter and given that your final should be done now you should have a bit of time to do the thread this small gesture. | ||
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On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote: I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post? I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much | ||
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On April 27 2013 05:44 VisceraEyes wrote: I would attest that he's already responded insanely badly. As would I, however its also selfish as I want to have the night period one I can actually talk if required. If we end it now, I can only ensure being around for 4-5 hours of it at most and thats pushing it alot. | ||
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On April 27 2013 05:55 Ace wrote: ShiaoPi's crime looks like sheeping Palmar to vote for you He probably hasn't caught up because he has no time, but how is that more guilty than Clarity's case that Sharrant made? BTW I'm clearly willing to switch, but I want to get your reasonings correct. Because some of the people hopping on the wagon might be sheeping you. If they don't even understand your reasons for voting and sheeped that looks bad on them. He said he was caught up Ace. | ||
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On April 27 2013 06:08 Ace wrote: I mentioned it because Palmar was also trying to get you lynched but it was partly sarcasm. I understand the point of ShiaoPi not reading the thread - I'm asking how does that make him more guilty than Clarity? Remember Clarity hasn't even shown up since Sharrant blasted him. Wouldn't Shiao's reappearance and terrible reason to jump on a bandwagon before vanishing again be more damning than someone who just isn't playing? Mafia just lost someone to modkills and I find it unlikely they would let another member of their team do so. Shiao is doing the exact minimum from what I can see to dodge modkills while not actually adding anything to the thread. | ||
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On April 27 2013 07:04 VisceraEyes wrote: Ace why are you focusing on the wagons? Why not outlying voters? I recognize i am not ace. However I would hazard a guess its this. By focusing on the wagons and clearing them of the mafia on them you end up with a list of confirmed or semi confirmed players as town. IE it does two things at once. | ||
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On April 27 2013 07:08 yamato77 wrote: BC, what do you say to my response? Since you're obviously here, reading. still mulling it over. I am happy I waited to let you respond rather than trying to lynch you while you were gone however. | ||
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On April 27 2013 07:12 yamato77 wrote: I'm no longer accusing BC of anything. I'm just saying, this voting analysis of wagons is inconclusive at best. Mafia vote for mafia, town vote for town, and his list of "confirmed" players may not even be accurate, lol. I honestly don't like confirming people via voting wagons unless we have a list check dt. I was answering the question asked (although to ace) because it was something that I wanted a potential viewing of how I see it out there in case he answers differently. I would say the most damning thing against shiaopi at this point in time is his angry post calling out tube. People who would be most angry specifically at tube is a mafia imo although thats an insane stretch and even i realize that | ||
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Also TRN, stutters and sylencia would make good checks/vig targets. | ||
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On April 28 2013 07:22 TheRavensName wrote: So why shoot me? Remember the modkilled scum tried to look active and kill me, and if you looked you would know I can't be scum. My question: Why has no one really addressed WoS yet? he just claimed self aware miller but didn't counter claim before, and looked through the thread again Everyone has said WoS is scummy and yet no one except a very few amount of us have even tried to make a case against him. I said shoot him. | ||
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Why wouldn't you kill him? WoS at that moment was in no danger to being auto killed IMO and he claimed self aware miller. We already had this talk day 1. I believe my stance is straight forward. Although I can think of a few reasons not to | ||
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Stutters. He replaced for DrH. DrH made 0 posts and since stutters replaced in he has made basically none as well. He has promised detailed posts that have not come and he defended clarity and attempted to push lynch towards shiao. Without Shiaos flip I cannot say if this was a 100% scum move. However given the flip of clarity + the activity level of stutters and his lack of real involvement while around makes me say scum. Artanis[xp]. This guy is intriguing. He has since joining the game replacing drazak done a lot of defending VE, made a lot of excuses of "lazy and haven't read up on x players, or filtered my main scum reads" Aside from not being overly helpful in terms of pushing the lynch along or even voting at all. The conversations he has had in thread are very superficial and easily left unnoticed as if hes attempting to be appear active without being active. hopeless1nder. He has done absolutely nothing this game. His biggest reads are "sharrant is scum" who if i recall properly was one of the first people to heavily push clarity, when his biggest reason for sharrant is scum is based on one specific read he has. He also ignored clarity almost completely as someone to talk about because of his read on sharrant. Given that clarity was also talked about by Ace, VE, and the like it should be at least something he mentions when he votes. Yamato. I have stated many things about this guy. I am not the only person who has called him out for his performance. Anyone who finds this suspicious or odd of me should more be asking "why does bc still have this guy as a scum read" when the answer is very clear in his filter. Sylencia. To many weird posts. I can't explain them in the least and they just have a feeling of "off" On April 27 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote: Clarity hasn't been here for 72 hours now .. in which case I'd much rather go for the kill on Shiao today. I won't be around for much today (though I guess you could argue I haven't been around too much), since I'm going to be at a LAN tournament, but I'll try sneak a peek at the topic whenever I can. ##Vote ShiaoPi This for one is very weird to me. I say this because the reasoning to push the lynch onto Shiao is just weird. We don't know if he will get modkilled so pushing the lynch off to someone else is imo scummy. I also view it as a defense move of clarity. This alone is not enough for me to say scum however when I looked through his filter and found On April 25 2013 01:28 Sylencia wrote: CC - Kush Town Voted Getmoript due to wishy washyness Unvoted due to incident. Leaned towards oats based on effort. Wants to lynch ShiaoPi Sharrent Town read Note: Mentions being town billions of times WaveOfShadow: VE Town Read Voted Getmoript due to answer dodging Unvoted due to incident. Becomes a bit suspicious of VE due to lack of posting. Sharrant town read Suspicious of ShiaoPi due to attack on Sharrant Reinforced Sharrant town read grush: bandwagons yamato suspects gigyas due to bandwagon. a lot of off topic comments Note: I'm suspicious of grush here for his hypocritical reasoning: Yet his bandwagon: When asked about whether he would vote Yamato. Tube: ??? Drazak: Has posted, but has never returned since. Giygas: Suspected Oats due to attitude and lack of posts. Hopeless not suspected as scum Sharrant town read Would've supported yamato lynch if hammertime. Sylencia: Semi-suspected TRN due to the rayn defense provided Suspects Rayn due to inconsistent statements about miller lynch / scum suspicion of BM Wagoned on Oats due to lack of town contribution from Oats. VisceraEyes: Early on uneasy about Palmar. Voted getmoript for bad case against yamato (?) Suspected yamato due to "Oh well you know my posting was INTENTIONALLY bad". types of posts voted BM due to his response to BC (quote is below) Note: I don't see what is so bad about this post in general, apparently it comes off as antagonistic. Switches to yamato a few hours later without ever mentioning BM again, despite already getting a response from him and being responded to with a request for an explanation. Says he can get behind an Oats lynch. Only now does he decide to actually read yamato's filter. (Vote was originally pure omgus) switches to oats for original suspicion of oats (2 points above) Note: Reading the filter and looking at some of the points in context such as the argument for BM has made me feel rather suspicious towards VE. Now, I will continue going through everyone's filters for their suspicions and other points tomorrow if I am still alive (public holiday hooray), but from what I have seen as of so far, I would like opinions on VE and grush (am I missing something about grush gameplay here?) Also, I fully know well that filter dive posts doesn't show anything about alignment, so no need to mention that too thx This is a summary post. It is a very fucked up way to play and imo does not help at all in the slightest. It summarizes some peoples play at that point in the game. The thing that stands out most to me however is that he chose tube. Why would you add a player who has not posted at all as a player to summarize? Given the awkwardness of its structure / how it says nothing new at all I feel it + the previous post I quoted are pretty damning. WaveofShadow. This guy has been discussed a bunch already. I feel he has to be dealt with because of his claim. 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On April 29 2013 02:32 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC, do you think being lazy makes me scum? Yes. Not being caught up on the thread while actively stating reads (although with weak reasoning) is incredibly shady. That is time that could have been spent reading and forming more solid reads or taking more information into account for a read. | ||
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On April 29 2013 02:52 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Reading 40+ pages and analyzing them takes longer than reading along with current thread events. The latter is also more fun. I've always said that I hate big games, and this game was already underway for 60+ pages by the time I replaced in. This has nothing to do with alignment, just with my personality. Perhaps. Issue is that you replaced in at page 72. Which was almost exactly 4 days ago. I recognize there is a ton of content to read, however catching up I don't think would be the hardest thing in the world over that period of time. | ||
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On April 29 2013 03:13 VisceraEyes wrote: BC WHY does everyone read Palmar as town? Srs I can't figure it out. No one seems to know why he's town, but no one wants to lynch him even though it's going on D3 and he's been completely useless. He even tried to derail the Clarity lynch ONTO ME early in D2, yet is trying to take credit for being "right"? WTF I honestly cant figure out if hes third or mafia. I think hes a better vig than lynch atm | ||
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On April 29 2013 08:50 Palmar wrote: Oh there will be a case. But first I need allies. So far I have Artanis[xp]. If you need allies you aren't intending on making a real case. You are intending one of said allies does the work for you, I flip town, and you blame them. Come on Palmar. If you thought I was mafia and you town you would have already begun making said case. Instead you are pestering people to see if you have enough people already willing to vote for me to avoid having to do any work. The more you keep going on this charade of "finding people" the more confirmed you are as not town. | ||
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On April 29 2013 08:59 Palmar wrote: Your annoyance I could foresee, you did not expect to have to deal with this today. You say I am not town, well let us fight then, to the death. BloodyC0bbler I hereby challenge you to a duel to the death. We will fight today, from sunrise to sunset. The field of honour will be this very thread. The ammunition, our words, the weapons their votes. One will walk, one will hang. Your move. You initiated said dual so it is your move to bring on your claim. Until you actually substanciate this as anything more than a retarded ego war I am opting to lynch someone I have a better read on. If you want to do it go for it, but I am not going to spend the entire day cycle wasting peoples time if you have nothing. | ||
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On April 29 2013 09:14 Ace wrote: BC ignore Palmar for now. I've got my sights on yamato and VE. where are yours? Yamato and stutters. VE normally can't fool my senses this hard as scum. I can see him as 3p but not scum. | ||
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On April 29 2013 09:20 Ace wrote: stutters is vigi food, or should have been last night. we probably dont have too many since a number of "need to be dead people are alive". yamato needs to die. what about VE makes him 3p but not scum? VE is normally (in my experiences that i remember) much less involved at all as scum. He appears primarily to defend himself and make "phantom" activity. Given the fact he has debated/argued lynch choices and was one of the major people actually attempting to force discussion of lynches during d2 I just can't see him as mafia. However his play currently is similar to his town play and is slightly similar to his play in storm as 3p. | ||
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On April 29 2013 09:22 Ace wrote: ?? I already named them I know you and I aren't the only two in this thread. I would like everyone elses input as well. As much as I love solving these games between us old schoolers I do need them to post to get accurate reads. | ||
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On April 30 2013 05:35 Ace wrote: Palmar has a guilty on you tho - thoughts? @stutters: what exactly are you referring to is being based on assumptions and should be done another way? He needs to know his sanity but there is no way in hell hes sane. I doubt beyond belief that Bh would have me as a miller. As 3 millers a framer and then two dts who have to figure out their sanity + parity cop, masons, and at least 1 jailer if not two leads me to think theres a shit ton of lying going on | ||
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On April 30 2013 07:03 VisceraEyes wrote: Is BC still around or did he literally just show up to buddy Ace? aroundish. I am still trying to sort this shit out | ||
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That way you can semi confirm eachothers sanities via eachothers checks. It also means its harder for mafia to frame successfully. Also OO why would I be backed into a corner? I know I am town, I know Palmars check means 1) I am a miller and he is sane 2) I am town and was framed and he is sane 3) He is insane/paranoid 4) he is mafia. Given that we don't know his sanity, also given that he was receiving a large amount of doubt on his alignment, given that I know I was rb'ed n1 and he claims he was yet we only have one claim of it n2 and that looks fishy as fuck I am more inclined to think hes mafia. He promised to analyze me and instead pops out with a "im a cop with a red check". Given his experience it was a terrible play and thus again solidifies him as red in my mind. CC's counter claim was odd given how fast it came out, as was VE's. I would guess one or both of these two are legit dts and the other could be a fake. Aside from all this dt plotting nonsense I think its clear we have no vigi's and if we have a jack he's holding his abilities back for some reason. We should still be looking at whos likely scum. Throughout all this nonsense I still have strong suspicions on stutters, artanis, hopeless and until Palmar does more than be a massive troll, hes on there as well. | ||
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On April 30 2013 09:49 TheRavensName wrote: If one of the cops is scum, then 3p and mafia can kill off two of them and were left being forced to assume the living cop is town because no one can verify it. Or hell, even if the 3rd party is poisioner, and mafia only has 1 kp with no vigi shots (Though JOAT can vigi0 left, if we lose even one cop the cycle falls apart. You are correct the mafia and third could kill 2 at once however how do you know they don't shoot the same one? How do you know the 3rd party doesn't shoot the claimed mafia in hopes to shooting the real one? Let mafia and any 3ps wifom on who to shoot. How about we don't help them? | ||
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We know there is one jailkeeper running around. We know there are 3 dt claims(one now dead) We know there is one mason still masoning, and one who is dead We know we have 1 dead miller and 1 claimed miller(wos) We know a mafia vig and a mafia framer are dead We know a second rb happened n1. This means a) palmar is lying b) I am lying c) An inactive town is a jailkeeper and has been mia for all nights since. Given 2 millers, 1 framer. I find it extremely unlikely that we have two dts who have fucked up sanities. Insane is very easy to prove, as is insane. We know based on checks that obviousone is town, and palmar has a guilty check on him, I know I am town and he has a guilty check on me. Given that we have only been seeing 1 rb since n1 and joats can't rb as a power I am inclined to say Palmar is scum. We know 100% that shiaopi is scum based on CC however I believe Palmar should be dealt with next at this time. | ||
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Ace and VE are both confirmed not mafia, both very likely town. | ||
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On April 30 2013 22:30 TheRavensName wrote: Who was the second RB night 1? I only recall seeing Palmar. Me | ||
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On April 30 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote: Ah I see... Well that works then. Truth be told i think it fits a bit with how hes acted. Even the QT, which is probably kinda eh evidence, would lend to this: He wouldn't want to push a case that isn't being discussed actively as it would make him stand out too much no matter the flip. If he is 3rd party, he could have overlapped a shot with the mafia or taken a hit and claimed Roleblocked to safely explain both. Kinda surprised you didn't mention this before today though like on day 3 when we only had 1 roleblock and people were saying at least one cop had to be fake. I claimed this day 2 -_- | ||
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On April 30 2013 23:26 Sharrant wrote: I don't see a town jailer doing that, to be honest. My most likely scenario is: N1: Palmar jailed (seemed to be the towniest looking Vet in a lot of people's eyes) BC RB'ed N2: Ace Jailed (Just lynched scum) Either Ace also RB'ed or maybe RB on their shot (not sure if that messes with veteran orSK/SP protection in this game.) N3 ??? Jailed VE RB'ed I will be considering VE confirmed town because of this. The exception is if it was a town jailer who jailed BC, Ace was double jailed, and the jailer did not think the plan through and decided to VE because... terrible reasoning? It seems like a stretch to think of this as two town jailers. But I would wager that Palmar and Ace were both town jailed. I guess it remains to be seen if there's another roleblocked player. But a town jailer jailing VE just does not make sense to me. This post doesn't make sense. The only way to be roleblocked in this game is to be jailed. IE for me to be roleblocked n1 requires me being jailed. As it would with Palmar. N2 we only had ace rb'ed and VE on n3. These all count as protections as well. I find it extremely unlikely that one jailkeeper is so inactive to not send in their power use for two night periods. Given that I doubt BH would be so much of an ass to not let mafia control an inactive member of their teams powers it means a town jailer has been mia 99% of the game or one of Palmar and I is lying about n1. I know what my pms say thus I say palmar and if he lied about that he sure as hell is lying about his claim. | ||
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On May 01 2013 05:17 VisceraEyes wrote: BC I'm rooting for you to win in the upcoming match! Ace looks way more townie though, but he tried to oppose my ShiaoPi lynch, and verily called him town for two days. I have faith that if you're townie you'll make me see it soon enough. In the meantime know that I'm pulling for you. Why would I care about Ace in said argue match? He is clearly not mafia in my books. He could be 3p but forcing a lynch onto a scum from another scum when both were insanely inactive and useless doesn't scream like a scum move. That screams like ace liking his lynch choice more than anyone else. I think I have made it insanely clear that Palmar is scum or 3p at this point. His actions don't make sense in any way from a town standpoint. | ||
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On May 01 2013 05:18 TheRavensName wrote: I don't see where you specifically attack palmar on the basis of thinking his RB claim is bullshit. I see you bashing his play but not that specifically. I claimed my block day 2. I have called him to be vigi'd since around a similar time frame, and I made it clear after I came back from the dt shenannigans that he had made it into my scum reads. I made a concentrated post as to explain my read. His RB claim after n1 I can't claim was bullshit given it was one single night of actions. Its the continued nights of information that I use to scream bullshit. | ||
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On May 01 2013 05:20 VisceraEyes wrote: I'm with you there - cop claim is fishy as hell, like, as if Paranoid Cop wasn't the most predictable scum fake-claim EVER amirite? Let alone trying to get a top player lynched on a single check, not doing things he promised, etc... His play is not that of a town aligned player. Given the fake claim I would say more likely scum given that his claim could have caused a ton of confusion and thus fucked town over hard. The counter claiming by two dts where somewhat dumb on one hand is a good way to determine legitimacy of the others given how they played after the claims. | ||
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On May 01 2013 05:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Or scum JOAT, as TRN and I discussed. That would fulfill the possibility that neither of you is lying. Except according to the OP JOATs can't roleblock. | ||
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On May 01 2013 06:24 VisceraEyes wrote: Host WIFOM will get us nowhere. Not to say I disagree with looking into Artanis/Stutters, they're both VERY low content players who deserve scrutiny - but do it based on that and not because of who was modkilled. So far 3 mafia have been warned for inactivity, stutters also was warned at the same time as shiaopi, coincidence? I think not. | ||
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On May 01 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote: Well that still works with 1KP, perhaps scum shot the protected guy? I don't know, it's all speculation. But because we've gone a couple nights with 1 kp I think it's logical to at least say it's less likely that there's poisoner/SK around. I would say its unlikely we have an sk and more likely we have a poisoner. I say this because we have only had 1 night with 2 kp. I highly doubt an sk has managed to shoot protected targets 2 nights when they are compulsive. Poisoner could exist. A mafia jack could exist and thus explain the 2 kp one night as well. However I think we can rule out sk as I highly doubt one could be that unlucky so many times by hitting protected targets / stacking hits with mafia. | ||
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On May 01 2013 06:49 ObviousOne wrote: BC? IIRC check his filter it's short and sweet if it was him I was blocked n1 not n2 | ||
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On May 01 2013 06:52 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh wait. Can town JOAT JK? Cause I has a theory if so. If not its the above. no joat can jk | ||
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On May 01 2013 07:35 VisceraEyes wrote: Is he a better check than say Artanis? I was gonna check Artanis since he keeps promising to do stuff and keeps complaining about having done stuff and I can't see any stuff he's actually done. Don't forget stutters. Guy has promised to do work for ages and never does shit but show up to avoid inactivity issues. | ||
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On May 01 2013 07:44 WaveofShadow wrote: Why the fuck do we have so few confirmed town this late in the game. Because so many people have played like trolls | ||
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How is that not "scummy" in any sense. "I still think VE is the best lynch, but ima essentially mimic thread sentiment and hop on this bandwagon now" | ||
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On May 01 2013 09:09 kushm4sta wrote: well his reasoning is good and perfect but I guess that would actually make sense if he was busing He showed up after doing fuck all and said "I want ve dead but instead ima vote for who you guys are voting for" jesus | ||
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On May 01 2013 09:10 VisceraEyes wrote: BC: Palmar or Yamato - who gets the lynch tomorrow and why? Palmar first barring weird what the fuckness between now and when the day starts/progresses | ||
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I believe I have summed up before in earlier posts about my suspicions of him no? If you need a new summary He has done basically nothing to help the town He appears to only be doing what he does for shits and giggles He claimed DT with one red check purely to get me lynched when he knows dts can have sanity issues He has promised analysis and never delivered I believe because of these things he is scum | ||
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Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy. | ||
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On May 01 2013 00:36 yamato77 wrote: The narrative I've managed to work out in my head feels rather conspiracy-theorist, so I'm not sure if I'm right or not. Wishy washy stances, yeah yeah, but it's something I've been thinking about since the syl flip. So assuming Shiao is mafia, that makes the day 2 wagons BOTH mafia. People that felt there was little difference between them would be largely absolved, in my opinion. What would then be strange were the two people who argued over the two of them, VE and Ace. As I said before, there is a clear scum motivation in saving Shiao and bussing Clarity, because Clarity was likely to be mod killed anyway and highly inactive. Ace proposes that this lost the scum team 2 KP, and it did, but it actually served to SAVE a scum member, since before Ace's push, Shiao was the one getting lynched. Some time in day 2, people began to realize just how inactive Clarity was, and it became apparent that he was more than likely to be mod killed. So the Clarity bus, assuming Shiao is mafia, is actually making the best out of a shit situation. Ace also argues in his filter that the scum team would have pushed an alternative target, but people fail to realize that this person was me. Thread sentiment has been against me the entire game, and even the way Ace develops his suspicion of me on day 1 is worth looking at. And on day 2, there is no shortage of referring to me being a possible lynch candidate in Ace's filter. What adds on to this for me is that his metric for determining the better lynch between Clarity/Shiao is somewhat suspect. Most of it no longer applies, because in knowing that Clarity was scum, and Shiao was scum, we realize that him not voting his scum buddy in the time he was there is not weird whatsoever. The VCA that "scummy people" from the Oats wagon were on the Shiao wagon is also complete bullshit, and I've been over that before. Another thing is the choice of NK, CC. His check was the one on Shiao, and it was this check that Ace wanted to argue against, that CC was suspicious for his claim and not to be trusted. Later, he goes on to about face once he realizes people are believing CC and plays along with this whole thing, but he's still disruptive in the sense that he wanted cops to check each other, which CC was obviously against from a look at his filter. So with VE complying, and Palmar being a wildcard and under some suspicion, he NK's the cop everyone believes that isn't following his circle jerk plan. Shiao flipping a scum largely invalidates the largest part of why people should believe Ace as town, which were his day 2 actions with the lynch. When you eliminate that, which is a large portion of his actual contribution this game, his filter devolves significantly, and you're left with a lot of arguing with people and insulting others, along with bullying people for their read on him. So yeah, Ace could definitely be scum. A mafia player could attempt to do this, however a post like this is also something I would expect out of a town player as well. Is it the best contribution? No, and do I agree with it? No. However I would say this is actually a "trying" post. | ||
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On May 01 2013 09:33 Ace wrote: BC stop it. You know beyond a shadow of a doubt that was one of the dumbest posts in this thread. Come on rofl. I personally find the dumbest posts in the thread are from townies lol. Mafia teams have people to go "don't say that you fucking retard" I don't agree with the post but seriously its hard to see a mafia making it. However the like 4 - 5 pages of his filter before that are all "im mafia posts" -_- | ||
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On May 01 2013 09:43 Ace wrote: just go through his filter and look at the extreme pretzel logic he uses to justify someone being Scum. "yes, Ace brought up 3 suspects, 2 of which did flip Scum. But seriously, he tried to bring me up too! wait what? he ignored me and lynched clarity? well fuck that's his scumbuddy! he called shiaopi town, and the guy flipped red! LEADING LYNCHES OF SCUM MAKES YOU SCUM TOO! I DONT CARE IF THERE WERE 20 PEOPLE ALIVE AND A BUS MAKES NO FUCKING SENSE! SCREW LOGIC! I missed playing games with you lol | ||
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On May 01 2013 09:55 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright are we lynching into an active or inactive player tomorrow? Personally I think it's going to have to be active (ie the yamato/palmar group v stutters/kush/giygas). I'm not set on yamato so much just yet and I'm not sure what turned thread sentiment around so quickly, so I'm still going to be leaning Palmar who hasn't done dick all in quite a while. Wouldn't be surprised if he gave up given his scumteam. BC the one thing I find odd with one of your points against Palmar is the fact that he tried to get you lynched based on a redcheck of you with no sanity confirmation. Why would a scum Palmar do that? He obviously knows better than to think that alone would get people to listen to him. TRN how goes the mason QT? Why would town Palmar do it? Town would know no one is going to lynch on just a red check without knowing your sanity. Mafia at least can create some convoluted situation where they live longer and increase their odds of surviving. Hell his claim even drew out two other dt claims. I'd call that win win if I was mafia in a pinch. At this point they would have to gamble hard to win. | ||
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On May 01 2013 10:01 VisceraEyes wrote: My 2c is that a town Palmar might have been interested in confirming his sanity BY lynching you...made evidenced by how little he actually TRIED to get you lynched and how quickly he freeformed into a Sylencia lynch. Logic makes me think that he would have tried to push you as more important to get rid of if scum AS scum. But yeah that's WIFOM and whatever. Id say countering that is the bit of him claiming he would make an analysis post on me and instead opted not to. Hell he said he tunneled you because it was fun? I can't see a town member doing this -_- | ||
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On May 01 2013 10:15 Palmar wrote: also bc isn't town. Ace probably is, and VE might be. I am town. But its nice to know you still can't read me for shit. | ||
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On May 01 2013 10:18 Palmar wrote: you never do jack shit on the one day of mafia that I think matters and the one day I'm actually very good at, day 1. So I don't care if I can't read you, not my problem See I don't explain myself a lot but I do shit if required. Hell the last few games I've played I have had usually the best reads day 1 in the games I am in. I just don't explain them. Why? Because explaining the feeling of "Off" based on like 1-2 posts someone makes is not useful. You can say you are really good at day 1, but I didn't see you catching mafia, I saw you being a dick to a player who called you out. | ||
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I stopped reading at the point of you claiming I never wanted Yamato lynched given how full of shit you are. Thanks for trying desperately to get me lynched though. | ||
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On May 02 2013 23:11 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Good point. I'll stop replying to you until you actually read the case and try to refute it. I doubt that'll happen anyway, seems you've already resigned. Resigned? You apparently don't know me dude lol. How about you people who think I am mafia go back and read the games I have been mafia in. Bill Murray ran a game which is number 28 I believe that was imbalanced in favour of the town by extreme amounts and I led my team to victory quite successfully. I have bussed inactive teammates to ensure I was viewed as confirmed town, etc... If I was mafia this game I would have bussed my entire team that was inactive, made sure that I was the reason they died, and proceeded to off town systematically while being confirmed the entire way. | ||
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On May 01 2013 09:23 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Yamato is trying in some varying degree so I feel I could be wrong now. Instead of 100% im more sitting on like 80% whereas Palmar's behaviour since just before and everything after his cop claim has just been insanely scumlike. I believe there is a strong possibility of both being scum, however in this case I feel Palmar's play has been far more scummy. As a note artanis I believed I put this out what? yesterday in terms of game days of who I wanted to lynch if yamato or palmar and I stated My read of Yamato wasn't as severe anymore. | ||
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On May 02 2013 23:19 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Seeing you respond to things I've already addressed in my case is painful. Pls read. How about you make a real case? Your premise for it is very clear is you disagree with my read. Note how I have been harassing yamato over the course of the game? Notice how VE did? Notice how Ace did? If you agreed with my read of yamato as scum you'd not make a case centered purely around that. Your case that I have read, reads as some massive defense of a player while using my suspicion of but lack of "making sure he dies" as the reason I am scum. How about he didn't get pushed because we had better lynch options appear? How about we had dt red checks to sort out? This is why you aren't going to get more than this as a response to it. Your case is something that could have been put together in 10-15 minutes of cherry picking posts. | ||
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On May 03 2013 04:20 yamato77 wrote: Well, it's painfully obvious to me that we should just RNG between Ace/Hopeless/BC and insta-lynch them. List Randomizer There were 3 items in your list. Here they are in random order: Hopeless Cobbler Ace Timestamp: 2013-05-02 19:20:03 UTC Random.org has spoken. We lynch Hopeless. You are advocating me (i know I am town) and Ace who is either 3p or town, and hopeless who given the context of the last few pages could easily be town or mafia. However Given I know you don't give two shits now about finding scum in any logical manner and have been trying to get Ace lynched first off this list (because he might be 3rd off a ton of wifom bullshit). You go first. No town member should be advocating a potential 3rd party player when we have mafia still alive. Especially when said potential third party has been pushing mafia lynches a fair bit this game. The only one who would give two shits about mafia dying quickly is rita skeeter as she wins if the game ends on any sides victory. Plain and simple you are mafia. I cannot believed I have waffled so much about this all game. | ||
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Given that I seem to be the person you all want to off next. Palmar/yamato/stutters 1-2 mafia are in that list. I have high suspicions on 2 of them and Palmar is confirmed mafia at this point. When you see my flip go lynch into that list. | ||
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On May 04 2013 01:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC, if you're actually town convince me that Palmar is scum. I'm 99.99% sure one of you is scum and 90% that it's you. Put some fucking effort in. I did, and then you came in and went "luls nope you" So go fuck yourself. You can misslynch me and then do what you should have done which is listen to players who have done something this game. Have I been the most active player? No, however have I purposely fucked with the thread to the level Palmar has? Have I directly promised to analyze players and not done so? Have I made up a bullshit claim to get someone I want lynched lynched? Have I said I am doing x because I felt like it and no reason else? I have been more inactive than normal yes, but I have a busy life. I have at least attempted to state my opinions in some way that people can understand. If you honestly want to believe I am mafia then go for it. Just keep in mind that VE who flipped town as well as Ace who was instrumental in raping the mafia with a stick both said lynching me was stupid and had very similar mafia reads to my own. So even if you think I am scum. You can go back and double check the reads of those people who have flipped and realize maybe the guy whos still alive, who has been on a similar track to those that are dead who were pushing down mafia like flies? Maybe you should listen to him/them. However I know this won't convince you, you will lynch me, I flip town, and you will then go lynch completely other people because your not going to read over posts of those who died. | ||
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On May 04 2013 02:03 Palmar wrote: Where did I purposely fuck with the thread BC? Prove that I have please. Your entire dt claim. You as an experienced player pushed for my lynch off a red check in a game dts have sanity issues where I was your only check. You did this after making a huge stink about how you or I had to die that game day and only one of us. Your claim can single handedly be attributed to the loss of not one, but both dts currently dead as your retarded shit forced them to claim. | ||
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On May 04 2013 02:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Has Palmar done anti-town stuff? Yes. Does playing anti-town make you scum? No. You should know that. Palmar is playing a game of not giving a shit, that doesn't make him scum. You've played a game in which you do appear to give a shit, yet never gave a shit for who actually got lynched. Ace flipped 3rd party, his goal wasn't to lynch scum so his words mean nothing. VE actually considered you suspicious by the end of his life. One of his last posts was He also mentioned that he was warming up for Yamato. So no, he didn't have the same suspects as you do right now. Your appeal to authority of dead players has failed. They will not protect you for the incoming doom. You will hang, and your red blood will drip from the gallows. Palmar actively said day 1 is his best day and one he believes is important and his top two reads that he pushed both flipped town. He continued to push VE and calling him scum when VE was catching us mafia. He has followed thread sentiment and appears more often than naught to defend himself while never providing shit to the thread. You think I am mafia because I never cared who got lynched? Day 1 I was gone for awhile just like I was in day 2 with reasons I stated as to why. I have a job, and a girlfriend who take up a ton of my time. When I was around I said my piece of who I thought should be lynched and who I thought was scum. I don't have the time to sit in a thread all day pushing who I want to the gallows. Instead I gave reasons of my reads. We then had things like red checks, etc... So when you say I dont seem to care about who gets lynched? Day 1 I had shit to do, day 2 I was actively around, day 3 and 4 were clearing dt checks and no one cared, and I clearly stated on day 5 who I wanted lynched and my vote is sitting on him. If you are going to attempt a case, please make it legit. If you ignore shit thats going on in thread and call me mafia for doing what I can point fingers at universally almost everyone for doing the same thing then you have a bad case. Tell me how Palmar actively trolling/not giving two shits while when he was "caring" he was actively pushing townies to die and even stated he thought the guy he pushed day 1 was town, is in any way town play. Tell me how claiming a dt day 3 with 1 check with an unconfirmed sanity is town play. Seriously. Explain to me how he is in any way town. You are so hellbent on him being town but have never offered a substantial and real answer as to why. | ||
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On May 04 2013 02:29 yamato77 wrote: I've been telling you guys that Ace and BC were suspicious the whole game. One flips third party, and you don't want to lynch the other? Give me some validation here. Ive called Ace third party since n1. Want a cookie? You called VE scum and were wrong, you wanted oats dead for being scum and were wrong. You can say I am scummy but I am town so you are wrong there. So why would anyone listen to you? | ||
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On May 04 2013 03:05 Stutters695 wrote: I did not. I mentioned before that I'd like to wait for him to actually respond. I was saying those 4 quotes were in a period of relative inactivity so there wasn't much for him to push in that period. His lack of actually saying it himself concerns me. Also this came to me when I was listing my games but iirc BC was scum in Whose Line and his play was similar. I can't verify until tomorrow but if someone wants to look into it that'd be great or I'll do it tomorrow. I didn't play in that game -_- | ||
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On May 04 2013 03:29 yamato77 wrote: I very clearly argued against an Oats lynch, but thanks for showing how little attention you're paying to this game. you also actively said we shoudl lynch him. Thank you for the attention you are paying to your own posts. | ||
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On May 04 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote: You're just mad you're going to lose. Thanks for the scumclaim | ||
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On May 04 2013 04:58 Palmar wrote: Bc are you cool with a 1 - 2 punch for us? You're absolutely certain that I am scum. I am absolutely certain you are scum. Town has plenty of mislynches. We randomly choose one of us to die today, then the other flips the next day. i figured that was happening regardless | ||
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On May 04 2013 05:20 Palmar wrote: . As long as you're absolutely 100% cool with an automatic lynch on you when I flip town. I don't even care if I get lynched tomorrow. Hell let's just lynch me and get it over with! If you flip town we have both had an atrocious game | ||
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On May 04 2013 05:35 Palmar wrote: Also BC, until tomorrow I have a new game for us. I actually didn't expect you to be so willing to trade your life for mine, as 1 for 1 scum/town is terrible at this point in the game, and you kinda look like you've accepted that if I flip town you'll die. So, now I think there's a tiny chance you may actually somehow be town. And since it's not like we can murder each other let's play the game a tiny bit differently. You and I assume each other are confirmed town, and we scumhunt in the rest of town. I have some free time tonight, you in? I have some time I can likely spare tonight. Might as well | ||
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On May 04 2013 05:46 Palmar wrote: ok I'll be back an about 30m-1h First topic: My very strong townread on Bill Murray based on his day 1 posting. I was not kidding when I said "towniest fucker in the thread" His play is enormously different from what I've come to expect of scum murray. Would you agree that BM shouldn't be a lynch candidate? respond, and throw me one of your reads. Let's ping pong the remaining players like that. As things stand now I find it very unlikely for him to be mafia. He hasn't done much but what he does done reeks of someone who is strongly town aligned. I want to hear your opinion on stutters. Guy has replaced in for drH and since joining the game has done absolutely nothing that I would consider helpful in any sense. What say you? | ||
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I would like your opinion on Kush. The guy has been inactive most of the game and has spent a ton of time hopping on popular sentiment as it happens. He always seems to be around to jump onto the popular wagon at the time and doesn't ever push what he thinks should be done. | ||
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Of them all 3 have major points against them that they could be mafia. | ||
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Of hopeless and giggles I would aim for hopeless first as he appeared a bit when he was close to death only to vanish again when sentiment was changing, or at least thats How I saw it. | ||
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On May 04 2013 08:32 Bill Murray wrote: of those 3 we should lynch hopeless first due to his lack of presence at least d1 we got a lot of information out of yamato... and ace shifting the wagon is irrelevant now that we know he was 3p Yamato I have tunnel bias on given I can't shake that feeling of offness. So I will be able to find any excuse to lynch him. Giggles has done absolutely nothing this game from what I can remember. I am going to filter him now, but I think you are right. Hopeless is a good start, then depending on how the day goes or information that crops up via analysis we will likely have the last mafia | ||
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On May 04 2013 08:43 ObviousOne wrote: Inb4 anyone else says it! last ditch effort scum Yamato bussing scum Hopeless! re-reading gigyas or whatever his names filter is. I actually think he could be town. None of his posts read of mafia agenda only his activity does. As such I really agree with this sentiment. Like strongly agree with it. | ||
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On May 04 2013 08:47 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have a strong townread on Yamato. He also brought up the idea of BC being 3rd party survivor when reading through the case. Seems like he actually thought it through and evaluated it. That he randomly started pushing BC after Ace flipped 3P is concerning though. I haven't seen his thought process behind it. Ace was clearly 3p from an early stage in my books (called him on it like n1 or d2) I figured he was survivor though. Also you have seen the thought process of Palmar and I, we more or less narrowed it to 3 people. One of which (hopeless) I think you can easily understand. Read both Yamato and Giggles filter. One reads far more prominently townie to me. However I will admit I have had a huge scum read of yamato most of the game to the point I don't think I can seperate myself from it. However thread sentiment / agreement from most major players everyone can agree on were town before they flipped had ace down as likely 3p. You do raise the point of him pushing me as 3p survivor. Why would Town care which 3p is which? Town has to eliminate the player if they think said player is not town / playing against town win con. As such figuring out which potential 3p is what doesn't matter if they are likely shooting town. Only reason I can see someone caring which 3p someone is is if they are mafia hoping to get someone with night protection lynched to make sure a shot doesn't get blocked. | ||
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On May 04 2013 09:00 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Yes, but don't forget Stutters (which you put as null) and TRN (whilst masoning Palmar is ballsy there's something off about a bunch of his posts to me). Getmoript has also played an awful game. How certain are we that the modconfirmed thing is truly modconfirmed? I'll reread both filters tomorrow. It's true that everyone had Ace down as 3P, but that wasn't the thing that concerned me. The thing that did concern me was how Yamato changed reads from putting you as 3P to scum when it was incredibly likely that Ace would flip 3P and he knew that, so why did it change? It matters because Survivor can win with town so a survivor doesn't need to be eliminated. A SP/SK does need to be eliminated as it can't win with town. There's no reason to lynch survivor, there is a good reason to lynch SP/SK. I honestly cant see gemoript as scum. Marv would have no reason to have a seperate qt with geript if they were scum. They could easily interact via a scum qt just fine. | ||
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On May 04 2013 09:09 yamato77 wrote: Read this post against and tell me just how much like bullshit it sounds. Completely ridiculous. How about you do what Palmar and I are doing? You know, trying to solve the game before we die. Cause he and I are both operating on the we get noosed. How about you do the same and work with us? | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:04 Artanis[Xp] wrote: That makes no sense, there was like 0% chance you'd get hit. wtf JK keep in mind we are assuming the jk is town and not a second mafia one. | ||
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Then comes down to this. If the third party is helping town he is likely survivor and you dont force his lynch and you instead go for mafia. This is straight forward logic. | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:22 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Two scum JK's don't make sense though, because then where did the second hit go on the day Vivax died? I just won't believe scum doublestacks Vivax on N1, especially when they have two roleblockers to block people that they suspect are blue. honestly second hit could have been fired at ace and he never claimed it. I wouldnt as third party. It would also explain his constant roleblocking. as town following thread sentiment i would have rb'd people i thought were going to get shot, not someone who i thought was third party every night. | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:29 GiygaS wrote: Yeah, those reads got destroyed when my computer crashed, I really do not feel like re-making it, but if people want me to I can. i am currently typing with two fingers cut so badly i cant use them. if i can keep playing so can you | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:35 Artanis[Xp] wrote: In that case, all town has is 2 cops, a paranoid cop and two masoners against a scumteam with at least 2 JK's, a vigilante and a framer. Roleswise that seems pretty damn scum favoured. Just based on balance alone I'd say it's more likely both town and scum have one each. My original thought was that if scum shot Ace, they'd simply claim to have a guilty check on Ace (3rd party shows up as scum) and get the free towncred as well as make sure scum doesn't get lynched that day. Could've worked on both days that scum got lynched. However, I forgot that they could think that they shot a veteran too, so it would be a risk. Thirdly, I don't think they would perma jail Ace if they found out he was third party. Scum was in a bad position. Letting Ace free for one night would make town focus on him again and divert attention away from scumhunting. would it make him focus on town though? he was raping the scum team. I agree that the jk could be town but i dont see why a townie would rb last night of all people. when you have confirmed town you could protect. i do find it likely that mafia could have shot him n1 though. i think doublestack on vivax just so unlikely. | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:42 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Because town was far ahead. It'd be likely that Ace would target obvious townies because as 3rd party you don't want one party to get massively ahead. It'd serve his wincon better to aim for town. As town jk you know 100% certain that blocking Ace stops a kill that's probably aimed at town. I don't know why you wouldn't instantly go for that. primarily because off one nights worth of deaths its still really shaky to believe it was sk/sp shot instead of mafia vig or town vig at that point. It comes down to lack of info. id want ace unblocked at least once to confirm the read as poisoner. and ace would obviously shoot at town at night while aiming for mafia during day to avoid the noose. | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:45 Artanis[Xp] wrote: I have something I want to point out about that but I want to see if Yamato points it out first. fair enough | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:48 yamato77 wrote: It literally gives us 2 confirmed town, the JK, and the guy he didn't protect night 1. You're delusional if you think that's scummy. and we lose the jk who is as far as we know the only person able to deflect mafia kp. so we trade someone who can extend the game for a few days if it goes badly for one guy who will get shot the following night. | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:53 yamato77 wrote: And you are scummy, because you never did push any lynch. I find it funny that you want to reject logic that might confirm you as town with the JK business. how is me not wanting the jk to get shot bad logic? You think i am scum. say jk comes out and i get confirmed as town? i get shot right after he does. if it looks like the person he knows is town by your logic ever looks like they are going to get lynched then claiming isn't a bad idea but doing it during a night phase is dumb as fuck. | ||
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On May 05 2013 02:56 yamato77 wrote: Who knows, JK might be someone else we're looking at. Why the fuck are you arguing against confirming 2 town this late in the game? Again if he is almost lynched then he can claim. Also against confirming? This game is about finding mafia no? Yes clearing town is helpful as fuck, but If Palmar and I are on the right track with our thinking then what does it matter? Currently we arent lynching either myself or palmar so why dont you do what he and i are doing and assume for the moment both he and i are town. | ||
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On May 05 2013 03:00 yamato77 wrote: Because I lynch mafia, and you are very likely to be mafia. Either way, I'd rather lynch hopeless today, but the BC/Palmar situation could be resolved in reality, and not some pretend fantasy world so long as the JK claims and clears one of you. and whats your solution if the town jk protected palmar and I get confirmed as town? Lynch him? because I am not as sure of him anymore. There doesn't have to be a mafia in the two of us, we just assumed there did. | ||
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On May 05 2013 03:09 TheRavensName wrote: I dunno, I think one of the lurkers has to be scum at this point. What happened to Sharrant and Giggles? They look way worse then anyone else to me right now for just how little they are actually doing, followed by stutters and Hopeless. sharrant played a huge role in the clarity lynch didn't he? If i am remembering correctly it would be ballsy as hell to bus your vig costing you two kp in one day | ||
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On May 05 2013 03:13 Artanis[Xp] wrote: When would he have started bussing though? If clarity was already afk for quite some time it could be worth it. looking at his filter he would have been bussing shiapi and clarity and if hopeless is mafia he was pushing suspicion onto him very early day 1 as well. seems very unlikely as a mafia to do. | ||
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On May 05 2013 03:57 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Presuming Hopeless will flip scum, I feel that clears Yamato entirely, as far as he's still on the table. Since we're leaving BC and Palmar until we're one mislynch away, and removing people I'm confident are town, we have Stutters, TRN and Bill Murray left. of that list, bm and stutters have done the least i think. who all has TRN masoned recently? | ||
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On May 06 2013 06:06 Palmar wrote: I don't think it tells us much about Artanis's alignment at all. I stand by my earlier assessment that he's town. I am certain we need to lynch into these 4 people, based on my analysis during the night, with the added dimension that I think you must be town because you would have shot me if you realized I could be insane. Giggles BC Yamato Hopless I am inclined to lynch BC, based on what I wrote earlier about his effort and attitude towards the discussion I brought up during the night. I think we now 100% know what his reads are (Hopeless/Yamato) since he stated them pretty clearly, so if he flips town, we have all the information we need from him. I don't think he'll flip town though. go for it if you want. I will flip town and then you will have to worry about town wanting to lynch you. My firm belief is yamato and hopeless are the last two. I could be wrong, but given the current players left (myself included) i can make a case against every one of us as to why we could be scum. If town thinks its best to off me first then lynch into my reads, so be it. | ||
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On May 07 2013 03:29 WaveofShadow wrote: Ah found it, ok you're right. Doublestacking is more common than you'd think though. doublestacking vivax tho? its more likely town jk protected the vet mafia shot or they shot ace and ace went "luls fuck that not claiming" I am kinda in agreement with trn atm for myself and palmar. still see hopeless as possibly scum, sadly for yamato i still think hes scum as nothing either has done this game day has really changed that. | ||
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On May 07 2013 05:38 Hopeless1der wrote: I'm more convinced at this point I'm a greater benefit to town dead than alive. There's too much bullshit reasoning right now. Once people realize they need to rethink their stance on a lot of things, I'd hope it clears up a lot of things. With Palmar/BC set to potentially resolve itself (pending JK assistance and NK information) the town is going to need to play an effectively town-favored vanilla game. By my count its likely to be 11 town v 2 scum or 10 town v 2 scum v 1 3rd Party Once we mislynch (its practically inevitable at this point...) we'll be playing a normal mini. @Yamato's read post, there's this excerpt: I'm hoping thats based on his supposed roleblocker read/breadcrumbs or something to that effect because otherwise I'd lynch Yamato for this read. @Jailkeeper, I suggest claiming at the deadline for the daypost with your targets in the event that you are killed during this coming Night. I am of the opinion that the information is more valuable than your life at this point. Confirming one of BC/Palmar and shedding some light on how accurate yamato's reads are could potentially end the game. Also DO NOT block Palmar since he needs to use his check, duh. P.S. my vote remains on BC. See Artanis' case and Palmar's comments on the night ping-pong discussions. I dont like how he just assumes palmar or I must be scum. I can honestly say if i was scum or palmar was based on current flips i would have bussed those 3 so fucking hard for town cred, and i think palmar would have as well, or he would have completely afk derped / stayed off radars as much as possible. I have spent hours writing my own team mates posts before / making inactive ones die in a way i look good and palmar is pretty devious as well. Factor in our back and forth talking of reads I am more inclined on thinking we are both town at the moment. However you see the posts like you just quoted are reasons I have wanted to lynch yamato all game -_- Also, didn't he shit on me earlier in the game for posting reads then he did the same style of reads with very little info attached? | ||
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On May 07 2013 08:32 Palmar wrote: Maybe it's bias, but honestly, yamato is using exactly the same shitty logic I tend to use when I'm scum. dude this means you, me, ace, ve, have all read him as scum. Unless he is the single worst player in the world hes gotta be scum -_- | ||
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On May 07 2013 08:34 yamato77 wrote: 2/4 of those people aren't town. Good company you keep. Whatever, if you guys actually get close to lynching me, I will out the JK and hammer myself. This game has officially gone full retard. given that you have been calling me mafia all game and auto 180ed i find it hard to believe you. Also if you out the jk and he is town like we all expect you would be actively breaking the rule of play to win. | ||
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On May 07 2013 08:41 yamato77 wrote: Apparently no one is reading the thread closely enough anyway, but that doesn't surprise me. Why would I, as scum, suddenly not want to lynch you when multiple people were ready to do so? Use your brain, please. you are my top scum read, youd be lynched the moment i flipped town. | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:18 geript wrote: I'd much rather just lynch palmar because his ego is insufferable. id rather lynch mafia then lynch someone for being egostical | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:28 yamato77 wrote: Yeah, I'm tired of fighting stupid I resolve myself of responsibility for the outcome of this game. aside from defend yourself all game you really havent done much. Factor in game sabotage if you are "town" and its pretty clear you have to go | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:30 yamato77 wrote: LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL I handed you scum on a silver platter and you voted to lynch me. Go reread the game. which one? i recall ace giving us clarity, ve + CC giving us shiaopi, mods giving us tube, and virtually everyone thinking ace was likely 3p. Who did you give us? | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote: Hopeless and Palmar Their combined filter is smaller than mine, but I'm being lynched over the both of them. Fantastic. how did you give us them? People have been going on about palmar and me all game (note ace and ve thought he was potential scum well before you) and hopeless has been on a ton of radars for lack of contributions. In fact he almost was lynched yesterday over ace but you diverted that lynch. interesting no? | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:32 yamato77 wrote: Hopeless and Palmar Their combined filter is smaller than mine, but I'm being lynched over the both of them. Fantastic. Also activity doesn't = town. If it did mafia would spam non stop and never get offed. | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:36 yamato77 wrote: Whatever, BC You're obviously biased. There's no reasoning with you. I hope you regret your idiotic decision making today when I flip town. i originally wanted hopeless because i think hes scum. You think hes scum and spent the last few days trying to get me offed instead. Now you want palmar dead. Factor in how you diverted yesterdays lynch from hopeless to ace i think you two are likely mafia together. Youve done nothing to prove you are town and have consistently made yourself look bad. By saying shit like "I think i figured out the jk" then coming out with "well he didnt die so i'm not scum" is retarded. Im sorry but your play is terrible and if you flip town (ill be surprised) you should realize its your own damn fault. you don't get 4 biggest names in this game calling you scum because we suck dick, its your play being horrible. | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:50 getmoript wrote: If palmar is town why didn't he realize his sanity wasn't confirmed? because hes an idiot | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:52 getmoript wrote: Then why are we listening to him on voting Yamato? have you read the game? I have had a read on yamato all game, ve had that same read, ace had the same read, palmar is now saying it? We know the flip of two of those players already, 1 was town 1 was 3p, both are responsible for heavy pushing the votes where mafia were lynched. Ace played for the most part a very town oriented game. I am inclined to believe that 4 players all getting the same read on a player means the guy is likely what those 4 think | ||
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On May 07 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote: 2 of those people aren't town, and VE can't read me for shit. Stop appealing to authority. Your play this game has been to tunnel a townie the whole game. By no stretch of the imagination can I control your awful read of me. the only way you can know for a fact that one of myself or palmar is not town is because you are mafia with the other. IE you just claimed scum. You tunneled me virtually all game as well, i am a townie. 4 people having the same read of you is an indication with a problem of your play. Also don't bash VE, he was doing far better than you are. You defended two mafia he had a hand in lynching. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:01 getmoript wrote: The push on Yamato today didn't really come until Yamato made a post that makes him town and palmar pushed him. You do realize up until that push Yamato had been listed as a potential scum by like 4ish people? You do realize Yamato has come up as a choice every day since day 1? He is the more recent of the 3 people who have been pushed today. | ||
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On May 03 2013 05:30 getmoript wrote: I like yamato for lynch the best. He's been so completely different from the yamato I've seen play that I just don't like it. I think his hopeless push is just trying to move support towards an easy potential mislynch. I'd be willing to consolidate onto palmar, but I feel comfortable enough with everyone else after rereading. #vote yam what changed | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:17 getmoript wrote: Yes, 4 people having the same read is a indication of bad play alignment regardless. But that doesn't make him scum. And town have defended scum before that also happens. But did Ace play a pro-towny game? No. He helped push Oats/Yamato D1. He pushed inactive scum over mostly inactive scum D2. He pushed town over inactive scum D3. He acquiesced to inactive scum D4. He got caught D5 based on roleblocks. That's not very pro-town especially when you consider that he couldn't have know if/when Tube was going to be modkilled and then not been able to backdown on scum D2. Ace's 'scumread' on yamato could easily be explained by Ace wanting to limit the yamato tunnel OR by wanting to eliminate a good player. If anything, Ace's scumread on yamato makes yamato more likely to be town. disagree with you completely. D3 can't be blamed on ace given that the dt who made the check believed sylencia was mafia over shiaopi. If you look at ace all day 2 he thought if clarity flipped mafia shiao was innocent. He followed through on that. Caught d5 based on roleblocks is only half true. he was suspected of being 3p for ages and because he didnt claim survivor he got shafted for it. Also given that yamato has not really done anything major this game, its not eliminating a good player. It also doesn't make yamato more likely to be town. | ||
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On April 24 2013 00:10 yamato77 wrote: CLARITY LYNCH BC WITH ME. IT'S THE WAGON OF RIGHTEOUS JUSTICE. LET YOUR NEW EMPEROR REIGN. On April 24 2013 17:41 yamato77 wrote: Ace BC Rayn VE CC mafia? On April 25 2013 23:30 yamato77 wrote: Yeah I'm not in love with lynching either of Clarity or Hopeless myself. I'd say you should look at BC, VE, and ShaioPi to make a lynch decision, if you can't find reasonable suspicion of someone else. Though if you think VE is town, we might want to lynch Palmar. Like, a lot. A lot, a lot. On April 26 2013 00:35 yamato77 wrote: The reason I'm running through all this is that I'm not particularly happy with any of the lynches that most of town is talking about. VE of yesterday feels somewhat town. I feel like more time would only bury scum VE or give chance to solidify a town read on VE. There's absolutely no rush for his lynch to be finalized. Shaio is easy to mislynch, as evidenced by the suspicion on him in day 2 of British Empire 1, also an instant lynch where he was lurkish, and eventually replaced. The worst part of his filter is the hammer sequence, but even that could be explained by overly eager town who got caught up in the game emotionally. Clarity is always inactive, and him being fixated on Sharrant is not alignment indicative. His case is objectively something that scum like to do, but in the context of the game, I can see a town Clarity who had a late start feeling the need to get his thoughts about the game on the table, even if they weren't about the main lynch candidates. The fact that he basically has no other reads in the game is a point in his favor, but just like VE, we can afford to play a waiting game with him, seeing as we have unlimited time. At the very least, we need real discussion about the alignments of Ace/BC/Palmar before we move forward with any lynch. Ace is the most town out of the three, and BC the least, in my eyes. I'd say a long day is in order, and town need to consolidate pressure upon just a few people so that we can determine their alignments more clearly. On April 27 2013 06:47 yamato77 wrote: Close enough: Town read on me. Before I said I would respond. Reasonable, somewhat. This chain of quotes from you is suspicious as fuck. You want to be suspicious of me before I even fucking respond. Fuck you, you're mafia. On April 27 2013 06:50 yamato77 wrote: How about his inconsistent bullshit read of me? Yes, he's mafia. On April 27 2013 12:13 yamato77 wrote: That or scum is actively bussing a lurky Shaio I mean, they're pretty much the same fucking lynch, IMO. Both are lurky, both have done almost nothing this entire game. I would lynch Clarity over Shiao, but I'd prefer we lynch someone who I can actually be confident is mafia, hah. On April 29 2013 11:02 yamato77 wrote: My epeen would grow immensely if I was right about Sylencia being potentially mafia just from his vote post I agree with his lynch, he is believably mafia. On April 29 2013 14:50 yamato77 wrote: You're right, VE. So you could put your vote on mafia, and we could be one step closer to figuring this whole shitfest out. | ||
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On April 29 2013 14:51 yamato77 wrote: He's been trying to get us to lynch Shiao this whole time Don't overthink this, Bill. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:37 yamato77 wrote: Lol, whatever. You have the same problem as Ace. You don't like how I play. I don't give a shit. dude, you scream "i am town" so people don't lynch you. Look at the shit out of your filter I grabbed. Your reads / who you vote to lynch follows thread sentiment and you have defended mafia up the ass. You have only ever solidly pushed for the lynch of ace. You have spoke out against lynches but never tried to fully force a lynch onto your choice. The only time you did was when hopeless was almost dead and you pushed for ace over it. Given how you were screaming at me for that as a scum tell while being hypocritical about it is a scum move. Giving up and moping when you are about to be lynched and threatening to "out the jk" is a scum move. Nothing you have done in this current game day has given me any sense of a townie being mad or angry and attempting to figure shit out. Its a "dont lynch me you all suck im town" with no real substance. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:43 yamato77 wrote: Have you figured out why I think Palmar is scum over you yet? I bet you haven't. I bet you're not even reading my posts today, because it's in there, and it's obvious. captain waffle saying his reads and filter are obvious. My god you are amazing. i am sure if i called virtually every player in the game at some point mafia I would have the most obvious filter. Lynch everyone and you win. Just do it in a random number generated order, or whichever name i happened to see first on a page as i skim and i will snag a red. Its so brilliant my narrative skills tells me its 100% foolproof. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:46 yamato77 wrote: So you're not reading the thread? I guess I'll point it out to you, since you can't manage. i just mocked your entire filter. Perhaps you should read it. You have advocated Number generated lynches Creative narrative on why people are red Called virtually every one mafia at least once or twice (waffling) You also mention you have skimmed. For someone who keeps yelling at people to read, maybe you should read your own "active" filter. you brag about your activity enough you should remember what you say | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:48 getmoript wrote: Can you two please quit bitching back and forth? BC if you want to prove that yamato is scum, then aim your posts at not yamato. Yamato quit responding to BC. The back and forth is worthless. Dude. I have made posts as to why hes scum. Ace has, VE has, Palmar has. More people ontop of that have. Read his fucking filter. Look at how he waffles back and forth, he never solidly pushes anything. He actively defends scum and is almost always on the thread sentiment lynches. He 180s his reads for no reason, he makes up wifom situations to justify reads. He actively blames the shit behavior he has done ON OTHER PLAYERS. He is as guilty as ace for pushing the lynch onto sylencia. He flamed VE for it when VE wanted to lynch shiaopi. The guy has actively done everything possible to save mafia and kill townies to the best of his ability all damn game while managing to dodge all blame for it. Bravo for him. Read his filter and tell me he doesn't come off horribly. Hes got 23 pages of it its not that long of a read. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:51 yamato77 wrote: Read the posts, and the quotes. It explains my entire play today, which you apparently can't understand. If mafia was a game based only on single days and not cumulative then maybe i could believe your play today. Given that if you look at it compared to the rest of your play it screams scum. you should know this. | ||
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On May 07 2013 13:58 yamato77 wrote: It does to you, because you're biased. If you don't understand that concept, you're in denial. You keep appealing to authority when Ace was 3P, VE can't read me, and Palmar is mafia. You sure are good at this game, buddy. Yea im just as good as you You know when you called me mafia, ve mafia, ace mafia, palmar mafia, shiaopi and clarity town / obvious misslynches, Vivax mafia when so far he had really good day 1 reads, said oats should be lynched then auto swapped away when VE who you called mafia jumped on the wagon, Rayn mafia, CC mafia, say you dont want to lynch hopeless now hes like your #1 read over the guy you tunneled all game, sylencia mafia, etc... here I will give you a quote from your own filter you should stand by On April 23 2013 07:36 yamato77 wrote: Man, my play sucks this game. | ||
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On May 07 2013 14:03 Sharrant wrote: BC, I think the point Geript was trying to make (I was tempted to say it to, but I noticed he said it first) is that right now you seem pretty antagonistic towardsYamato.I don't think anyone is capable of pushing the lynch off him today, he could claim jailer and the lynch wouldn't budge, I guarantee. I'm glad to see such zeal from you on this case, but he's going to die. This should be the time to ask him questions that you think you would help lead you to the remaining mafia (if he flips scum) or might shed light on other players (town). Now I severely doubt the last situation holds any weight for you, but the first certainly should. You haven't seen me get into a full annoyance before. The guy is being an ass and antagonistic, and hes been shitting on players better than him all game. Even if I end up being horribly wrong, I respect people and he calls them bad, etc... when they have done more this game and overall and are far better players. I still believe hopeless is mafia. The only situation I can see mafia winning at this point is some insanely desperate move. In this case yamato bussing the last member of his team like a boss. If yamato dies, its unlikely hopeless dies for awhile and thus mafia can win, or vice versa. He has already shied away from me before trying to get him to be open about his reads, then he threatens to out blues, etc... If hes mafia nothing he will give us at this point is beneficial. People who are still not sure of him need to read his damn filter or every case brought up on him. | ||
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On May 07 2013 14:08 getmoript wrote: The point that I was trying to make was that he was trying to prove to yamato that he's scum, but that's worthless. The back and forth just isn't going anywhere and isn't helping. So yah, questions should move a different direction. read this back and forth, go read pyp3 and then come back and realize my alignment is now confirmed. | ||
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On May 07 2013 14:10 yamato77 wrote: I'VE BEEN OPEN ABOUT MY READS THE WHOLE GAME AND YOU WANT TO LYNCH ME FOR IT! DO YOU EVEN READ THE SHIT YOU TYPE? youve been wrong the whole fucking game | ||
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On May 07 2013 16:40 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Oh what I did want to bring up was that Yamato claimed to know who he thought the JK was. There's no reason for him to bring that up if he's scum, it felt like a genuine passing comment, and one I don't think he would've made if he were scum. /working 4realz why? This is null to scum tell. Town has no real reason to look for the jk. Figuring out who it is they might do, but have no reason for ever saying so in thread as merely saying it could lead to mafia going "shit breadcrumbs are there" only a mafia has reason to say it. Then if they dont hit said jk you can pull the "obviously im not mafia cause i know who the jk is" seriously this is a terrible reason to defend someone artanis | ||
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On May 07 2013 16:30 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC tunneling you, not much surprise there. Don't actually have much time atm, will comment more after work. Will policy lynch anyone that hammers you before I get the chance to comment. Also I am not the only one who wants him lynched. Sharrant, myself, Palmar theravensname. obviously we can't all be tunneling. | ||
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On May 10 2013 05:20 WaveofShadow wrote: Can we list off TRN's Mason targets in order just so I have a little contextx when filter diving? Palmar, yamato, me, BC, who else and on which nights? I asked him for this info in the mason qt. Still waiting on a response. I think it went, Palmar, yamato, you, sharrant, me | ||
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On May 08 2013 22:26 kushm4sta wrote: yeah i deserve it no doubt, but at least the policy lynch on palmar has a chance of hitting scum here is the lynch order imo 1 hopeless 2 palmar (half policy lynch because he annoys me/half scum lynch) 3 BC On May 08 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote: we can lynch bc tomorrow when yamato flips town On May 07 2013 13:02 kushm4sta wrote: i think town is making a huge mistake lynching yamato (inb4 omg town in 3rd person scumslip1!!!!) but I dont mind it actually because I am so horny for flips. It's like when you haven't had sex in 2 years and you will have sex with anyone just to have it. exactly like that. On May 06 2013 10:28 kushm4sta wrote: Can we lynch bc now though? I wanna see a flip. These are just some of his posts he makes this game about shit. There is no justification on why to lynch who he wants and they are really not in any way I can see it town. He wants to lynch people for flips? Its actively not giving a shit about player alignment, just getting lynches over with and the flips done. Says someone is 100% townie? still votes for them because why not? Then tries to get someone lynched because of push made for that lynch. No way in hell can the guy be town off that. However there is more On May 02 2013 05:42 kushm4sta wrote: I want to lynch yamato because he soft defended shiaopi and clarity. too much of a coincidence imo. i already posted the quote 2 times. plus there are a ton of other reasons other people have posted. yamato...lurker doesn't make you scum. Town easily can lurk for a million different reasons and I was doing it myself for the middle part of this game. Your case against hopeless..i do not find it convincing in the least. Keep in mind this is 8 days ago, however. He calls yamato scum for soft defending (he calls yamato town for no reason a few days later) he also says he doesn't agree with the hopeless case, but hes been pushing hopeless for days. Lets keep going shall we On May 01 2013 08:30 kushm4sta wrote: i wish the player list was updated so i knew who is even still in the game Not even reading the game. Not the only instance of a post like this On April 25 2013 14:52 kushm4sta wrote: hi ace. you aren't town this game so i'm not listening to your suggestions and nor should anyone else. VE is town. He is town from his first post in the game. only town would complain about having to read the op (because the role names weren't colored) I am gonna vote for shiaopi. I don't want to go for clarity because now Ace is pushing it. A very similar thing happened yesterday. Yamato was the popular lynch, then Ace pushed Oats, claiming the case on Oats was really good (even though in retrospect it sucked). On April 26 2013 07:17 kushm4sta wrote: Hmmm I agree with VE and BC that Palmar is useless and scummy. Only thing that gives me reservations is his roleblock but now that BC says he was roleblocked, that opens up new possibilities. Palmar's tunnel on VE makes ZERO sense and Palmar is unwilling to explain. ##vote palmar On April 27 2013 13:47 kushm4sta wrote: so who we lynching now? palmar still or what? On April 27 2013 22:18 kushm4sta wrote: just read dome shit in the thread. palmer lynch looks really bad. clarity lynch looks good. unvote vote clarity On April 28 2013 06:47 kushm4sta wrote: palmar convinced me to vote clarity! In the span of 5 posts he says he wont vote clarity because ace is pushing it. He says he finds palmar useless and scummy and that he wants to lynch palmar. He then realizes clarity wagon is picking up, jumps on board and says "palmar lynch looks bad, clarity looks good and palmar convinced me to vote clarity" His top scum read who he wants to kill and a guy he says isn't town this game say "lets kill clarity" and he just jumps on board with no explanation whatsoever. This is something a mafia would do if his teammate is dying to buy cred. Townie has no reason to behave like this. On April 30 2013 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: I will not vote for shiaopi or cc ever. I think they are both town. On April 30 2013 10:11 kushm4sta wrote: eh ill vote shiao if he got a red check See this? He outright says he will not vote to lynch shiaopi ever, or cc (flipped town) then says will only vote shiaopi if there is a dt check. Why would a townie require a dt check to lynch mafia? If a case is good enough its good enough. More importantly, he suspected yamato in this post On May 01 2013 10:56 kushm4sta wrote: yamato your one claim to towniness is pushing shiaopi d2. But the other wagon was clarity. So in reality you were just picking between 2 scum. scum literally had to bus. Also that quote from earlier in which you explicitly soft defend 2 known scum. here it is again: that's why i want to lynch you now You know what? A guy who is completely hypocritical by suspecting someone for the same behaviour you are guilty of is something I rarely see in the hands of town. This is something mafia does as its an "easy" reason to suspect someone as it looks like a scum slip. If you are not guilty of the same behaviour I can see someone using it as a reason to lynch you, but given that kush is guilty of defending / outright saying he wouldn't vote for the two confirmed mafia for reasons and then finding an excuse to vote for clarity (following his top scum read / voting for a person another of someone he called not town) is fishy, and only saying he will vote for another if a dt check is on the guy is also weird as hell. He actively says he doesn't find yamatos case on hopeless convincing he also openly says On May 02 2013 05:44 kushm4sta wrote: sorry to double post, but I want to add something about hopeless.. every single game i played with the guy, I wanted to lynch him. He always looks like this. this says nothing about hopeless alignment, only about how kush likes lynching him. However when you realize that he has been pushing yamato as scum all game, and actively says he disagrees with yamato's case/read and then just says "Hopeless always looks like this" saying his behaviour is not alignment indicator. Given that then him saying he thought hopeless was scum all game (hypocritical given that he didn't want to lynch this high end scum suspect, nor does he ever push it before this point) I would say he is likely mafia. He jumps on thread sentiment like mad and never pushes his own views. Guy cannot be town. | ||
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On May 10 2013 06:07 kushm4sta wrote: dat triple post Funny, because I am town and you probably know that. As I have explained many times before, I was not reading in the middle of game at all. I was very aware that my opinion was uninformed and incredibly shitty. I had no idea what was going on with prs, roleblocks, masons, etc. So it only made sense for me to jump on thread sentiment. No it didnt. If you aren't reading the damn thread, say you havent read it and throw your vote completely elsewhere so it doesn't hurt town in any way. A mafia benefits from this line of thinking, no town should be guilty of it. | ||
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On May 10 2013 11:39 kushm4sta wrote: It doesn't hurt town to sheep the correct wagon. ALSO you say no town should be guilty of it, but you are experienced and you know that town often is guilty of it. I dont understand how my suboptimal play translates into me being scum. Your case against me was just pointing out how bad I am basically. Incorrect. You proved to be hypocritical, you 180 your opinions for no reason, you want to lynch people just for flips and not to kill scum. If you honestly do this as town, never fucking play again. | ||
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On May 10 2013 11:57 kushm4sta wrote: if you are town you are bad at finding scum. which you aren't so you aren't. make a case yo. | ||
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On May 11 2013 02:45 Palmar wrote: The reason didn't push clarity was that at the time I didn't want to be a big factor in town, I was trying to survive to get some checks. If I push and lynch clarity day 1 I would definitely get shot. Now I still think I did get shot and that sharrant saved me, but that's another story. I have an issue with this specifically Palmar. You said you didn't want to be a big factor and wanted to survive, yet by claiming your first check on me knowing sanities aren't confirmed you made yourself "big factor" in the town. I know you thought/think I am mafia, but given the potential chance for you to be bungling up a lynch + wanting to survive for multiple checks it seems odd that you'd insta claim the way you did. | ||
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On May 10 2013 22:26 kushm4sta wrote: Also do you guys believe in balance? I do. And what that means is even though hosts like you to think scumteams are random, they aren't. A scumteam in a big game like this is never full of newbies. According to balance, either Palmar or BC must be scum. This is not true whatsoever. Hosts all balance differently and perceive player skill completely differently than other people do. Keep in mind Bill Murray is as experienced if not more so than myself and has been playing for just as long pretty well. He is more experienced likely than Palmar. Yet is completely ignored and overall has done nothing this game. I have no idea why you are trying to lynch Palmar off setup speculation. If we did shit based off that I would be lynching BM and TRN right now. | ||
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On May 11 2013 04:15 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Outside of speculation, do you think BM is scum? he could be. He was warned for inactivity and seems to appear to post a bunch of stuff in response to stuff on pages and pages before, and doesn't seem to post on a ton of current stuff then vanishes again. Or at least thats what I have seen when I am around when he posts. I will have to more closely filter him. However he really has 0 thread presence and is being ignored almost universally which is weird given how few players are left. | ||
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On May 12 2013 03:21 kushm4sta wrote: I was real sad over lynching yamato, but at least I thought he was town. Anyone who ever ever wants a reason as to why I want kush lynched? This shit. He says he was sad about lynching yamato but he thought he was town? WHY WOULD YOU LYNCH A TOWN READ EVER. | ||
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On May 12 2013 14:30 kushm4sta wrote: i mean how superficial are your reads that you think I am scum? if i was scum I think my play this game would be quite amazing. basically my scumgame is not good enough for me to be scum this game. Or town play is astonomically bad. It is a common trend. I could be wrong, but what have you done at all that proves that your town? You actively play against town interests. | ||
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On May 12 2013 14:23 kushm4sta wrote: u lynch a town read for the lolz. u lynch a town read for the day to end. u lynch a town read because you are bored. not sure exactly why I did it but i regret it like I said. Sorry if you don't understand that BC> If you are town I guess that makes me better than you? Since you can't even townread me lol. as a note, this is a reason why you should be lynched/shot/banned from all mafia games if you flip town. This is in no way trying to the win the game and is actively playing against your win con as town. Given that most of what you have done / said around lynches is this sentiment over and over and over. There is no way in hell you are town. | ||
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On May 14 2013 00:30 Palmar wrote: proposition (going to attempt this myself): Try to read the game ONLY from the yamato lynch to today, and pretend whatever happened before that did not happen. The days before that were basically stupid autolynches that left very little to be analysed, whereas yamato was the first real lynch we had. The game became more manageable a this point. I have a feeling this will help. tbh this just makes me more certain of my read of kush. I will do this with the remainder of the players alive and hopefully it bears some fruit. | ||
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On May 15 2013 04:29 kushm4sta wrote: give me until the no lynch plz. that gives me time to find the scum. You promised reads that could help us win the game to help show you are town aligned. Instead you gave us random town reads with basically no reasons. You then stated you only read half their filters. You are putting 0 effort into the game but are obviously around to post. You want no lynch to give you extra time to perform but you have had a ton of time already to do this. If you were serious about helping you would have done so already. | ||
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On May 15 2013 05:33 WaveofShadow wrote: No you're not. You garner no support for your lynch on Palmar, I'm sure as hell not switching right now; you know exactly that this will end up in a no-lynch unless BM changes his mind or Palmar votes. by outright refusing to vote It is almost clear hes banking on the no lynch to win. No lynch is not advantageous to town in this situation. If we no lynch it becomes 5v2 after night, if we misslynch or no lynch again, 4v2 or 5v2 then night shot. Basically it means all active players will be killed and no lynches can be forced over and over, or town will get modkilled via inactive / not caring. | ||
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One of WoS and palmar is likely mafia. The other is geript/giggles. Now I say this for one simple reason. Given how many flipped roles we have of fucking with our dts (which we seem to have a bunch of) it seems unlikely to have 1 framer, 1 unaware miller, 1 aware miller, and a paranoid dt. That screams bastard hosts far to much. As such one of the two is likely mafia (having 3 roles to fuck with dts not as asshattish). Given that I know I am town. I also think the removal of marv seems unlikely if he was mafia. As such I am inclined to say giggles mafia. Of WoS and Palmar I would need to take a closer look at their filters. | ||
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On May 16 2013 10:19 WaveofShadow wrote: Except how can you be sure? I found myself doubting the fact that TRN was town simply because I don't understand why you'd have 2 town masons and no scum mason (The Game's mason roles were balanced). I refuse to go on host bullshit any longer, and I'm going to be real pissed at the town and real pissed at myself for believing them if Geript is scum for letting him go on for so long doing absolutely dick all because 'modconfirmed town u guise.' Geript does nothing as town basically ever. I also just can't see marv getting modkilled as scum over something stupid as refusing to use a host made qt. He can just refuse to post in the scum qt anyway if he just wanted to talk to geript. This seems completely like a marv was happy talking to his hydra buddy in his own qt and the hosts gave him one later and said he had to use it. He was like "wtf no yo" In a situation where he was on a team I think he would be less likely to get himself modkilled as it fucks his team. Obviously its speculation but its also based on how he has interacted with me in the past. As such I can only conclude of him and giggles giggles is the scum. | ||
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On May 17 2013 01:38 getmoript wrote: @BC could you explain your separations (me/Giygas, WoS/palmar) more? Given the Palmar / WoS claims and with the roles we have already seen flip I find it very hard that the hosts would give 1 framer 1 aware miller 1 unaware miller and a paranoid dt with an insane dt, and a parity cop. Factor in the only other blue roles we have seen is a jailer and 2 masons. Mafia have had a vig, framer and a jailer as well. Given that a framer can fuck with checks, millers fuck with checks and can confirm mafia as town / town as mafia to dts, millers can lead to dts getting town lynched, + sanities means that the hosts would have actively been balancing this game in gross favour of scum. Why have two fucked up sanity dts when you have that many other ways to screw with dt checks? Paranoid dt and self aware miller given the flips we have screams 1 has to be a fake claim. I highly doubt both are though as again, I find it hard to believe mafia would fake two claims. So 1 of them is town, 1 is mafia. That leaves you + giygas as the remaining one. As such Given performance as a whole this game as well as everything else considered I have you a more likely to be town than he is, thus him mafia you town. | ||
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Masons are not the same as shit that fucks with checks. After talking to TRN it was pretty clear the guy was town. The biggest wtf on him maybe being scum is that mafia left him alive while shooting players like artanis. Seriously though, It on average will take you 3 checks to confirm your sanity as a dt. Unless you are sane / insane and someone you checked is lynched before your third check. Average 3 days to confirm your sanity, + 2 millers + framer that means your dt is basically a non factor til day 3 if your lucky, 4 at best. If they checked a miller ever, thats a dead townie, if they checked a framed target thats a dead townie / confirmed mafia as town. If its a dead townie (and the dt claims hes figured out his sanity and the not) that is potentially a dead dt to town lynches. The sheer level of stacking a game in favour for one side is huge with the existence of 3 millers + two cops with fucked sanities. Especially when one of those sanities is paranoid. It just leads to horrible levels of misslynch or clusterfuck of thread. Yes talking balance can be a shitty slope. As someone who has hosted a ton of games, I make sure I don't do crap like this unless I balance the blues in another way. We have had 0 vig shots to date, 1 jailer and 2 masons. 1 jailor and 2 masons does not fix the issue of how unbalanced the dts + framer + millers is. I just cannot believe both of you are town. If things stay as they are currently in the game for another few hours I will know if im off my rocker or if I am right. | ||
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On May 17 2013 02:48 WaveofShadow wrote: Are you absolutely certain that BH didn't throw all these roles into the game? Because unless you are I see no reason to risk losing the game on that kind of a gamble. Why do you have geript as more likely to be town? A few things. He was masoned with Marv. I know Marv respects my town play even though I think its shit (and i think ive proved im shitty as it this game) Marv shoots me n1 if he knows im town and hes scum. Geript would be told to off me not rb me. Marv would not risk a modkill that could fuck both him and Geript if he was scum. He has a bigger team to think about. Geript overall IMO has done more to at least attempt to help the town this game than giggles. I cannot recall a post of gigyas that actually looked like it was an attempt to help town. As such Geript town, gigyas scum. And am I 100% certain? No, however he has 3 co hosts. Do you think none of them would go "thats fucking unbalanced as fuck" Besides, given the last 16 hours I am 100% sure of my read on gigyas. That means one of you/palmar/geript is scum. I am pretty sure geript isn't which leaves you and Palmar. | ||
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On May 17 2013 03:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I see you removed your vote, I appreciate it. One of the only people I was absolutely sure was town was Gigs and due to the jailing BC is supposed to be town as well. I can technically vote into your pattern BC but I disagree with you on the Gigs/geript side of things, and i still have to re-read a bunch of things before I make any decisions. I guess you probably won't answer but what do you mean 'if things stay as they are?' Simply put. You, geript myself have all been in the thread since I voted. Palmar has been online on skype this entire time as well as being in the thread after my vote. I know I am town. Every player in the game has been around since I put my vote where it is. Game is still going. If i was not on mafia they would have ended the game already. Shitty reason to you maybe, but game hasn't ended so I am using it as a confirmation practice. | ||
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On May 17 2013 03:08 WaveofShadow wrote: So you think Gigs and Palmar? Simply due to inactivity when it counts? Hmm. Again I'm uncomfortable just throwing a vote out until I've done what I want to do so you may have to wait a little while. It will happen tonight though. I am tempted to wait until Gigs shows up again as well just to see what he has to say. To be honest dude. Part of my reason for doing this now is simply this. Im gone virtually all weekend. I leave tonight in 5ish hours and might be able to get on tommorrow and then at most, voting / 1 post a day to avoid modkill via my phone. I am out at the gfs cottage for the long weekend for her moms bday and cell reception is spotty at best. I knew this and knew if I "rush" voted that either Id catch a scum or game would end. Again, all 5 players have been active, and if gigs is town game would be over by now. Palmar, you, geript have all been around since i voted and game would be done. In my head I just need to catch the last one, and I think thats likely Palmar. | ||
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On May 17 2013 05:41 Palmar wrote: WoS, assume for a second that I am not scum, which you probably should know by now. Do you think it's plausible one of BC/getmoript is town and this is a bus? I'm not certain at all, but I don't like this wagon and I'd much rather lynch into the people on it. who do you think is scum Palmar? | ||
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Why? Please explain how I am scum given everything that has happened this game. | ||
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On May 17 2013 05:51 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha I'm talking about this to my wife right now and she's says you're scum, Palmar. GG. That means both geript and I nailed the mafia with our votes. | ||
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On May 17 2013 05:58 WaveofShadow wrote: Apparently I deleted one by accident. Palmar/gigs possible. this is the most likely as i see things. I say this because of the fact I know my alignment. (obviously you could disagree with me). However, given that I know I am town, and based on thread activity, if Gigs is town, the only possible scum team is me / geript. However, if I am town, or geript is town, gigs is confirmed scum. Why? Because if gigs is town, and either I or geript is town then mafia could just end the day right now and win and have 0 reason to draw the game out. Basically its this WoS. You have to decide if you think Palmar is scum, or me. Palmar is actively trying to divert the lynch off gigyas and onto myself and geript. I think I have the game figured out, its now your call. If gigyas flips mafia, Palmar is scum and we win. | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:17 WaveofShadow wrote: Fucking second game now it's coming down to me and I fucked it up the first time. I'm going to take a while for this. think of it this way. Do you think both geript and I are scum? Do you think one of us is town? If you think either of us is town, gigyas is confirmed mafia. Essentially geript is confirmed town (in my head anyway) and if you look at day 1 rbs then the only way I am scum is if scum defensively roleblocked a player most likely to get shot by a vig (if town had one) on a day town vig's couldnt shoot. There is absolutely no reason mafia would rb on day 1 defensively. | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:25 Palmar wrote: please do. My problem here is that I find it unlikely that geript and BC would push the easiest town target so blatantly. At this point as scum Id never push a target Palmar. I'd wait for a townie to drop a vote on a non scum then auto hammer with my partner. Or id run the clock until enough time passed that a no lynch happened and town loses. There is absolutely no reason for me as scum to do what I am doing. You could argue thats why I am doing it but we both know I've caught mafia here. | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright. Re-reading my read of Giygas I found a whole bunch of evidence of a gigs/Palmar scumteam that I sort of ignored because of his early pushes on both Shiao and Clarity...but then there's shit like this. Did he really bus his entire team that early into the game? He called Palmar scum never pushed it, Ace was third party (not his team) Shiaopi was inactive and likely an easy bus? I can say from experience that I have via pms / final death post as mafia bussed my entire team knowing full well the town would ignore them for the rest of the game. | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:30 WaveofShadow wrote: What happens if I vote Palmar right now? If he is town mafia hammers and the game ends. Gigyas can only be town if both geript and I are scum. The likelyhood of both of us doing this when we could have easily gotten a misslynch on Palmar is very unlikely. Again, if you think either me or geript is town, Gigyas is now confirmed scum. | ||
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On May 17 2013 06:30 Palmar wrote: Problem is your theory makes me scum too, which is basically impossible, as I've laid out multiple times in this game. Why is it impossible. Seriously. We know that I was scumblocked day 1 You were townblocked We have mafia framer we have one flipped unaware miller we have a claimed self aware miller we have a flipped insane dt we have a claimed paranoid dt that is 5 mechanics to fuck with the town via checks. Dts are going to eventually claim, and thus create the shit show we got day 3. No host imo will pull that shit. That leaves me with you or WoS as scum. Given that I was scumblocked day 1, it is virtually impossible for me to be mafia unless you believe that I did that day 1 in the hopes I would live this long just for a gambit that would be near unlikely to bear fruit. Seriously Palmar. One of you and WoS has to be mafia. As such Gigyas is confirmed mafia based on the votes and you are refusing to vote for him. This isnt a "i dont know" you have outright said hes town when its extremely obvious hes not. This is what makes you mafia. | ||
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On May 17 2013 07:36 Palmar wrote: Because bussing is smart? Shit like this happens? why would I bus -_- Again if you aren't mafia, and geript isn't (I am doing this because bussing your own teammate in this situation is dumb as fuck) then mafia would have hammered and killed you winning. If gigyas is town and I know I am town then again mafia would just hammer and end game. The only scenario that works is gigyas is mafia. If geript is scum with him why would he swap and not just stay on you? People would be more likely to vote you anyway. Why vote at all and not just wait for town to fuck up? Honestly based on thread reaction between you two + me its virtually confirmed gigyas is mafia. The only person attempting to divert that lynch was you palmar | ||
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On May 17 2013 07:47 Palmar wrote: my point is: assume I'm scum. Someone needs to die. Why do I pick the one person who thinks I'm town? WIFOM | ||
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Why do you ask? Because if geript is scum, he would require a townie + gigyas to kill Palmar. WoS based on being around as well as Gigyas in a time geript was on palmar opted to not vote thus did not end day. As such WoS and gigyas cannot be scum together nor can I and gigyas be scum. IE WoS and I are confirmed town. Given the situation of the day I am inclined to say Palmar scum, geript town. In case anyone tries to push the lynch elsewhere, we have two confirmed town, 1 scum and 1 likely town | ||
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I should have realized when I wasn't shot and WoS was that palmar was a setup to misslynch given how WoS said he was seeing things kinda from Palmars view. But with 2 minutes to decide a vote I just said fuck it and voted. I realize with slightly more time to work with I could have read the posts that I hadn't seen / spend more time thinking about how the NK worked out. I think I would have changed my vote given those circumstances but potentially could have still fucked up. As a note, regardless of the whole bit of "geript confirmed town" When Marv posted after being removed from the game with 0 real fall back from the host and the thread either correctly or not mod confirms a player because of it you have to realize it stacks the game in favour of whatever alignment said player was. Geript living so long is "suspect" but given how inactive mafia was / having dts to deal with and other blues, its not unreasonable to expect him to live as long as he did. A ton of players this game for town played like complete ass. Mainly people like me, Palmar, Kush, and a few others. I think the cop setup in this game(personally) was horrendously fucked giving us one useless blue role, and 3 other roles that fuck with the two useful ones (one still has to prove sanity, and the other can still fuck the town over) thus giving mafia a huge edge imo. However I think the biggest thing that hurt the town this game was that days could span on for ages and a majority had to be garnered. When games become inactive because of dt checks being lynched and no one posts because of it you really have a hard time pushing anyone who wasn't checked as people just move into the "herp derp sheep" mode. Factor in days that could span a huge amount of time and people who play around work schedules and time zones and games very quickly turn dull. I think there was a ton of fun here, but I think general sentiment near the end was "i just want the game to end" regardless of turnout. | ||
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