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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 23 2013 13:36 GMT
#1101
On April 23 2013 22:35 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 23 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote:
Here, I have a more scientific approach. Oats' posting frequency.

Before case:
22 posts between 21 – ~17:00 and 23 – 00:43 - 29:34 difference – 0.71 posts per hour

After case and bandwagon started:
39 posts between 23 – 00:43 and 23:22 – 22:39 h – difference – 1.74 posts per hour

Before case: Weird shit between TRM/WoS/Sharrent and others so yeah I DIDNT POST. MY FAULT.

After case: Game got interesting, real interesting. Interesting games means that you are more inclined to post right?

So your not willing to play and try to make it interesting?

No, I have nothing to post so I dont post.
No gg, No skill.
Hopeless1der
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States5836 Posts
April 23 2013 13:37 GMT
#1102
On April 23 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 21:22 Vivax wrote:
Me and ace are basically the only ones asking people to switch to Oats, others say "can do", others say it looks like a policy, or try to push other cases.

If this was a wagon on a townie, scum could be pushing it easily at this point.
Why didn't any of this happen yet? There's resistance here.

Again, worst reasoning ever.
Cause im town. Yeah.

Hopeless. Why am I scum?

I think you're too trolly in the face of dieing to be town. I'm not even certain you have a scum read on anyone at all. You've provided next to nothing. A shitty list post where your strongest scum read is "well someone has to be scum, why not Ace". gtfo.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 23 2013 13:40 GMT
#1103
On April 23 2013 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Whatever, you're at L-1, dead. If you're town you shouldn't jumping around hysterically, but tell us who we should look at after your flip.

TRN, if you want to have yamato lynched instead of Oats, it's not my job to find arguments for you. I'd want to have Oats lynched first.

No, its your job to convince me that Oat's style is worse than Yamato when they have basically done the same thing, except Oats has kept trolling and Yamato changed to save himself and has for the most part vanished after the focus shifted to Oats.
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 23 2013 13:40 GMT
#1104
On April 23 2013 22:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 22:35 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 23 2013 22:29 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 23 2013 22:20 Vivax wrote:
Here, I have a more scientific approach. Oats' posting frequency.

Before case:
22 posts between 21 – ~17:00 and 23 – 00:43 - 29:34 difference – 0.71 posts per hour

After case and bandwagon started:
39 posts between 23 – 00:43 and 23:22 – 22:39 h – difference – 1.74 posts per hour

Before case: Weird shit between TRM/WoS/Sharrent and others so yeah I DIDNT POST. MY FAULT.

After case: Game got interesting, real interesting. Interesting games means that you are more inclined to post right?

So your not willing to play and try to make it interesting?

No, I have nothing to post so I dont post.

That hasn't stopped you so far......
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 23 2013 13:44 GMT
#1105
On April 23 2013 22:37 Hopeless1der wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 21:42 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 23 2013 21:22 Vivax wrote:
Me and ace are basically the only ones asking people to switch to Oats, others say "can do", others say it looks like a policy, or try to push other cases.

If this was a wagon on a townie, scum could be pushing it easily at this point.
Why didn't any of this happen yet? There's resistance here.

Again, worst reasoning ever.
Cause im town. Yeah.

Hopeless. Why am I scum?

I think you're too trolly in the face of dieing to be town. I'm not even certain you have a scum read on anyone at all. You've provided next to nothing. A shitty list post where your strongest scum read is "well someone has to be scum, why not Ace". gtfo.

And your strongest scumread is someone who you havent talked about all game. Good show. GOOD SHOW.

I dont know who I want to lynch RIGHT NOW, and the good thing about instant majority, we can take as long as we want.
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22408 Posts
April 23 2013 13:47 GMT
#1106
On April 23 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Whatever, you're at L-1, dead. If you're town you shouldn't jumping around hysterically, but tell us who we should look at after your flip.

TRN, if you want to have yamato lynched instead of Oats, it's not my job to find arguments for you. I'd want to have Oats lynched first.

No, its your job to convince me that Oat's style is worse than Yamato when they have basically done the same thing, except Oats has kept trolling and Yamato changed to save himself and has for the most part vanished after the focus shifted to Oats.


Don't worry, if no one vigs him tonight, there will be plenty of opportunity tomorrow to take care of yamato. It's not unlikely at all that they're both scum, given that yamato seemed to work against Oats' lynch when he claimed to have him as scum earlier.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 23 2013 13:55 GMT
#1107
On April 23 2013 22:47 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 22:40 TheRavensName wrote:
On April 23 2013 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Whatever, you're at L-1, dead. If you're town you shouldn't jumping around hysterically, but tell us who we should look at after your flip.

TRN, if you want to have yamato lynched instead of Oats, it's not my job to find arguments for you. I'd want to have Oats lynched first.

No, its your job to convince me that Oat's style is worse than Yamato when they have basically done the same thing, except Oats has kept trolling and Yamato changed to save himself and has for the most part vanished after the focus shifted to Oats.


Don't worry, if no one vigs him tonight, there will be plenty of opportunity tomorrow to take care of yamato. It's not unlikely at all that they're both scum, given that yamato seemed to work against Oats' lynch when he claimed to have him as scum earlier.

I like the bolded part quite a bit as evidence agaist Yamato. Oats doesn't seem to care too much about if Yamato would die, And also:

On March 22 2013 20:48 Blazinghand wrote:

Remus Lupin (Vigilante): You may not shoot during Night 1.



I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
April 23 2013 14:02 GMT
#1108
Oh and Im supposed to claim at L-1 right?

IM VANILLA TOWNIE.
REJOICE AT THE FACT THAT IM TOWN AND NOW WE CAN LYNCH SCUM
No gg, No skill.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22408 Posts
April 23 2013 14:17 GMT
#1109
Preparing a set of reads before the night starts.
Might need something around 20-30 minutes.

Oats, if you do HARAKIRI now you can stop me from posting them.
That might piss me off.
TheRavensName
Profile Joined August 2011
United States911 Posts
April 23 2013 14:20 GMT
#1110
Off to class, won't get back in time to post for a while: But I will say I'm not sure oats is scum... but do you think he could have rolled 3rd party and Yam was just trying to distance himself from what he thought would be a mislynch thinking he was town?
I once breadcrumbed watcher in a game with no watchers in the setup.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 23 2013 14:29 GMT
#1111
Yeah, I'm not killing Oats.

Much rather revive the VE lynch wagon.
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 23 2013 14:33 GMT
#1112
Or we could lynch BC for being so scum.

I'll let you guys decide.
Writer@WriterYamato
kushm4sta
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States8878 Posts
April 23 2013 14:34 GMT
#1113
yamato why are you playing so different this game? like no long cases
OMGUS.net, kush sex blogs every friday night
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22408 Posts
April 23 2013 14:37 GMT
#1114
On April 23 2013 23:34 kushm4sta wrote:
yamato why are you playing so different this game? like no long cases


Someone told me he might be scum
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22408 Posts
April 23 2013 14:49 GMT
#1115
On April 23 2013 11:39 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 11:34 Bill Murray wrote:
On April 23 2013 10:34 Clarity_nl wrote:
I am here now and catching up, did not expect this game to start so soon, sorry.

one hour later has read the entire game and made a case on sharrant?
his case is really tunnely, and reaching, as well
FoS Clarity


Yeah okay I might have started reading and then figured I would read the last two pages and see palmar talking about possibly being the hammervote so figured I'd show my face. interested why you think my case is reaching, though.


I find this quote interesting. Clarity apparently was afraid of not posting anything before the hammer fell, and here he is admitting that his case on Sharrant was something done in haste, and to "show his face", not cause he found the reasons good enough to post them so quickly.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 23 2013 14:54 GMT
#1116
So BC is scum, bros.

On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote:
so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there.

I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town.

You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.


Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here.

Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading


When I look at people who have voted me, this ranks near the bottom of the list in terms of logically justifiable reasoning. Finding town is just as much a part of this game as is finding mafia. The two are mutually inclusive.

This post, in contrast to his assertion, was the scummiest thing in the thread. The fact that people buy this shit just because it agreed with whatever suspicion they had on me is ludicrous. "How about you analyze who is already there?" My very next post, which I basically spelled out in this post, was my analysis of Ace. It's not even true; it's complete bullshit. Yet notably, this is the ONLY reason he gives for voting me, ever.

Observe:

On April 23 2013 04:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace or BC, is there anyone you guys would like to lynch?


The guy Im voting for? You know, the one I called out for having the single most scumtastic post in the thread?

On April 23 2013 05:03 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 04:57 ObviousOne wrote:
On April 23 2013 04:55 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 23 2013 04:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Ace or BC, is there anyone you guys would like to lynch?


The guy Im voting for? You know, the one I called out for having the single most scumtastic post in the thread?

You called my post scum then voted for Yamato.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL


I also called him scum before that and he has still the single worst post in the thread. Good attempt though


Having established that his read on me is absolute horse shit, we move on to his other reads in the game:

On April 22 2013 13:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2013 13:48 Oatsmaster wrote:
On April 22 2013 13:45 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:57 yamato77 wrote:
On April 22 2013 12:56 Ace wrote:
so instead of looking at the people currently here, you're waiting for lurkers? awesome plan you got there.

I already said I think most of the people posting (Rayn, Sharrant, Giygas) seem town.

You, on the other hand, are worth looking at.


Mafia is a game about finding mafia not town + waiting on lurkers for more reads? How about you analyze whos already here.

Also still catching up but this is the single worst post ive seen to this point of reading

Waiting for sick reads BC


Its day 1, id expect to not get those from me at this juncture. Yamato is likely scum, BM should be lynched or vigi'd.

If drH doesn't appear within the next 12 hoursish he is almost deff scum.


Why is BM scum? No good reason. Anyone thinking should be able to tell that he's town. The "miller claim" thing is a non-issue and was overblown.

Dr. H is scum why? For being inactive? What the fuck is that rationale? I guess it's easy to throw shit at people that won't respond.

On April 23 2013 04:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 04:39 yamato77 wrote:
Why could only a mafia player make that statement?


Simple, its setting up a situation in which a miller can claim to get himself not lynched. Guess what? if you are someone who gets red checks on you, you get lynched or shot. If I claim self aware miller and town accepts it, whats to stop mafia from doing it once? Whats to stop them from doing it period and hope to god a ton of other people don't claim? If you accept bullshit claims like that then it auto confirms people for no reason other than players are stupid. If you are someone who gets a red check when checked you die.


Why does a town player having the opinion that millers should claim mean that they are mafia? Just because you think it's "pro-mafia" (wrongly) does that make the person in question mafia? BC is a good enough player to know better than that, no?

Yet the majority of the rest of his filter is devoted to arguing this point with OO, cementing the ides that OO likely believes what he's saying as opposed to just bringing up the idea so his mafia buddies could claim miller without a second thought.

But yet BC insists, and that's the MAJORITY of his contribution to the game. Not meaningful analysis of people's posts, but bullshit about miller claims. Observe:

On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO?


I already answered that question on the previous page

Sorry, question worded badly.

What differs OO from the other people who think the same?


Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum.


On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO?


I already answered that question on the previous page

Sorry, question worded badly.

What differs OO from the other people who think the same?


Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum.

Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading?


What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched.

As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic.


On April 23 2013 05:42 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 23 2013 05:38 Ace wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:22 ObviousOne wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:11 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
On April 23 2013 05:06 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why is OO scum by the bolded part you quoted BC? I mean, i also think he is scummy for throwing questions around and not doing anything with the answers, but why that exact comment makes him scum? There are like ~10 other people who think the same, what differs them from OO?


I already answered that question on the previous page

Sorry, question worded badly.

What differs OO from the other people who think the same?


Hes good enough to know better. He dropped the opinion in a giant wall of useless text, and used it as a way to marginally work in a reason to vote for you. Given that it is an absolutely wrong opinion, and one that only a scum could stand behind to lynch someone (unless hes extremely bad) he must be scum.

Wat. I am extremely bad. Who told you I was good? Did you make that assumption to support your conclusion? I'm good enough to know better? That miller claims should be auto lynched? When we can just lynch people who are acting like mafia? You are telling me that lynching probable town is better than lynching probable scum and in trying to wrap my head around that, I just decided I need to smoke. Thanks for the gesture of good faith, I guess? The fuck am I reading?


What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched.

As for extremely bad? Sorry I've seen you play. You aren't that bad and should be able to follow the logic I just outlined. Its straightforward and extremely basic.


self aware millers should claim if the role counts are known, and should be expected to get policy lynched if the game goes on long enough. Otherwise not claiming can be brutal as Scum can claim it first and skate off.

Role counts aren't known though so its a moot point. In a role counts game you can have the entire game mass claim and anywhere number of claims differ from whats listed you lynch/vig into thus forcing mafia to hide in the vanilla's or lose.


All these posts come at a time when there was plenty to talk about besides this claim, yet he perpetuated this useless discussion, and has since disappeared while town fawned over lynching me and Oats.

So what happened if both Oats and I are town? The mafia don't care which one dies, since we're both town and seem similar. BC being inactive is a product of how little interest he has in actually finding mafia, because he already knows who they are.

Furthermore, where is the curiosity in his reads? He's CONVINCED that I am mafia from one post taken out of context (something he argues against in his own filter, saying that looking at posts out of context is retarded). He's CONVINCED that OO is mafia, simply because he argues that millers claiming should be allowed.

Why has everyone let him skate by? Just because he wanted to lynch me? Where is his response to my newer contributions? What does he think about Oats, VE, ANYTHING? He doesn't care enough to tell us. Even when he has been active, his responses are shallow and focused on irrelevant things like debate over POLICY LYNCHES.

LYNCH THE COBBLER!
Writer@WriterYamato
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 23 2013 14:55 GMT
#1117
On April 23 2013 23:34 kushm4sta wrote:
yamato why are you playing so different this game? like no long cases

I just posted my third case of the game.
Writer@WriterYamato
Palmar
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Iceland22634 Posts
April 23 2013 14:56 GMT
#1118
BC's town meta is to be awful at day 1, then get lynched.

I'd like to not lynch him later.

VE is still scum.
Computer says mafia
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
April 23 2013 14:58 GMT
#1119
On April 23 2013 23:56 Palmar wrote:
BC's town meta is to be awful at day 1, then get lynched.

I'd like to not lynch him later.

VE is still scum.

Then why are you voting Oats?

I'd rather just kill the BC.
Writer@WriterYamato
Sylencia
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1057 Posts
April 23 2013 14:58 GMT
#1120
Oats is the vote for me. Case from Vivax + aftermath between yamato vs Oats has convinced me more to taking down Oats. The thing that was holding me back most was that my primary scum suspect (rayn) was on Oats fairly early on. However:

On April 23 2013 22:36 Vivax wrote:
Whatever, you're at L-1, dead. If you're town you shouldn't jumping around hysterically, but tell us who we should look at after your flip.

TRN, if you want to have yamato lynched instead of Oats, it's not my job to find arguments for you. I'd want to have Oats lynched first.


Given that Oats never actually provided anything for us in terms of reads afterwards and posted crap about being green and telling people to push others. If he has nothing to say either:
a) He's playing as the bad townie
b) He's withholding that info from us to stop us from gaining more than we need from the lynch.

Either case is bad for town, so that's why I'm willing to go down on Oats.

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