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Fuck I can't do it. I can't give Hopeless a townread his voting and lack of reasoning has just been so fucking awful. The stuff in between the voting isn't so bad but UGH.
THIS GAME IS TOO FUCKING HARD
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On May 10 2013 06:23 WaveofShadow wrote:
You're trying to 'resist' the analysis? What does that even mean? You don't want to being it to the thread for fear of derailing a lynch? You don't want to analyze me? If you did all sorts of work with Sharrant why not help the fucking town with it? I really don't understand your motivation here.
its like the fucking popcorn incident all over again....I'm at my laptop for probably an hour or so if anyone wants to chat. Reading through Giygas and general votecount things while I'm here.
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WoS, my votes primarily come down to consolidating and denying my scumreads the satisfaction. More recently they've been about self-preservation to a large extent, scummy as that may seem its still playing to my (i.e. Anyone's) win-con. I'm sorry I neglected to give more thought out reasoning and transparency for my actions. If a post-hoc explanation would assist in anything, let me know what you'd like me to comment on.
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I think I'm eventually have to side with Artanis despite all my reading and just carpet-bomb the fuck out of that list. Too much scummy shit going on to be sure one way or the other and I just can't get solid reads on so many people.
Before that I will read into TRN though. Not sure when that will be finished.
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On May 10 2013 06:30 Hopeless1der wrote:
WoS, my votes primarily come down to consolidating and denying my scumreads the satisfaction. More recently they've been about self-preservation to a large extent, scummy as that may seem its still playing to my (i.e. Anyone's) win-con. I'm sorry I neglected to give more thought out reasoning and transparency for my actions. If a post-hoc explanation would assist in anything, let me know what you'd like me to comment on.
Interesting. Finish what you were doing first. EIther way you're not #1 on my napalm list today so you've got time. (assuming I can somehow sway thread sentiment anyway).
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On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it.
And what two things would that be?
Heres a little sample by the way:
i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them
OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3
Vivax:+ Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :|
Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him.
Rayn:+ Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out  I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you.
VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop.
Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention.
One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
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So I guess this has devolved into napalms lists hunh? Fine by me. I'll sheep the list with the best reasons regardless of who's on it.
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On May 10 2013 06:36 getmoript wrote:
So I guess this has devolved into napalms lists hunh? Fine by me. I'll sheep the list with the best reasons regardless of who's on it.
Make your own damn list.
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On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself.
No no. You don't get to do this.
Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why.
Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong)
You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol.
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I'll say this in defense of TRN:
ctrl+f: cedric
Read just those 3 posts that turn up and see how you feel, barring the rest of his filter. I got town from that exercise when I did it a couple days ago.
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Also you use Vivax as an example? He listed OO in that post as semi-scummy too.
If people wanted me killed they've had plenty of opportunity. The only I way I go down now is through NK and I doubt I'm very high priority. YOURE STUCK WITH ME 'TILL THE BITTER END
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On May 10 2013 06:43 Hopeless1der wrote:
I'll say this in defense of TRN:
ctrl+f: cedric
Read just those 3 posts that turn up and see how you feel, barring the rest of his filter. I got town from that exercise when I did it a couple days ago.
Yeah....that thing.
I'm going to do the same thing with his filter but that's probably the biggest point for town he's got. I'm not sure what it'll mean for my final read.
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On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol.
Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you.
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On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you.
So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever?
AM I SCUM OR NOT?
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On May 10 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you. So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever? AM I SCUM OR NOT?
I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! AM I?
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On May 10 2013 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I'm eventually have to side with Artanis despite all my reading and just carpet-bomb the fuck out of that list.
This makes me happy I decided not to put in the effort :z
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On May 10 2013 06:55 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you. So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever? AM I SCUM OR NOT? I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! AM I?
I don't know. 
But the difference between what you did and what I did is I'm showing commitment to a read. I'm systematically going through and seeing if I can back up my gutread on you.
On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar.
You just threatened me with some shit from a mason QT amongst a bunch of other scumreads, and tried to divert me to 'scummier' people in the thread. And when I asked you specifically about the things you posted I found scummy, you ignored it.
See the difference there?
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On May 10 2013 06:59 Artanis[Xp] wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:31 WaveofShadow wrote:
I think I'm eventually have to side with Artanis despite all my reading and just carpet-bomb the fuck out of that list. This makes me happy I decided not to put in the effort :z
Sure, I'll sheep that list.
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On May 10 2013 07:01 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:55 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:49 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:45 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:41 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:35 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 06:22 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. lol me. Bring it, Raven. Kush is probably town, god help me I'm thinking Hopeless might be town now as I finish my read, and Palmar is Palmar right now. My vote on you remains until I see a reason to remove it. And there are two things right now that will make me remove it. And what two things would that be? Heres a little sample by the way: i went and decided to analyze the night kills: None of them thought WoS was townie basd off the last time they posted on them OO: + Show Spoiler +On May 01 2013 13:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On May 01 2013 12:55 GiygaS wrote:
It's certainly a possibility, could you elaborate on it a bit more? I'm interested. Haven't gotten around to re-reading WoS as mentioned in this (I just pasted it into notepad) but here you go, full on crazy mode OO. + Show Spoiler [you asked for it] +Random conspiracy theory: WoS claims miller not because he is self-aware miller, but because he knows he will show up guilty to checks as 3P (same as miller). Idea come from Rayn + Show Spoiler +On April 28 2013 16:05 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WoS promised to provide reads to make people believe him. geript, can you take a look at his filter from D2 and tell me what reads he provided that helps us finding scum? ShiaoPi and GiygaS, and "they deserve to be looked into".
First of all, if WoS thinks ShiaoPi is mafia, why does he think he has been "so wrong" at the start of D2, that he needed to claim..???? Also if he thought he is so wrong, why does he still want to look into ShiaoPi? He doesn't mention anyone as scum suspects that Shiao/GiygaS.
He does no research, just asks people what they do think about people. On April 28 2013 13:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:33 Ace wrote:
to be extra thorough - while it is still possible WoS is scum that miller claim doesn't warrant a vigi shot. It does nothing to free up extra information, as if WoS flips Miller it is a wasted shot. For now you should give him the benefit of the doubt. Look at other people on the Oats +Shiapi wagon clash cases. yamato and VE are both there. So is Palmar, hopeless1nder, and a few others. WoS is there too but as said I think he gets a temporary pass. Limit that pool via what you know by reading objectively first, then read them from both scum and town p.o.v. Do it for all of them! WoS doesn't come close to being the top vigi target when you do this. CheeseCake, Palmar, Sharrant (him not convinced yet though): Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Palmar wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% listen to this man, he speaketh truth Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 05:57 Sharrant wrote:On April 28 2013 05:56 Mr. Cheesecake wrote:
Shoot waveofshadow 100% Convince me on this one, I have some suspicions, let's figure out if they're the same. + I have said this on N1 and my read has never dropped: Show nested quote +On April 25 2013 03:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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WaveofShadow - what me + TRN said earlier today
GiygaS - Did weird stuff on D1, especially his answers to me were not pleasing
Clarity_nl - What has been brought up today
ShiaoPi - What Vivax said
+ TRN So that makes CC/Palmar/Me/TRN/somewhat Sharrant. I do not think any of those people are mafia. WoS claimed right after CC-Palmar-Sharrant posted. Overly defensive in the first place, now he says he wanted to avoid a DT check and mislynch on him. Bullshit i say, noone even mentions him being a good check. On April 28 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2013 13:08 raynpelikoneet wrote:So you are taking WoS at face value now because you think it's impossible that he soft-claimed miller as mafia. You are also going to ignore all the suspicious things he has done (as you fucking thought he should be shot earlier, that means you were suspicious of him). I'm going to yell so much at everyone of you if WoS is mafia and is not shot tonight. Based purely on the fact that this post here is 100% right and at least Ace should know it too, and WoS should have read it if he is in fact town miller: On April 23 2013 05:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
What reason does town have to make to ever claim miller? Seriously, tell me. All it does is clusterfuck a thread and leaves open ground for mafia to claim as well and thus be cleared as town as he claimed miller. Assume all miller claims are bullshit and kill. If you get red checked you get killed. Its pretty simple. You lynch people who are likely mafia. Town has no reason to ever claim miller EVEN IF THEY KNOW THEY ARE ONE. As all it does is create chaos. IE only mafia have a benefit to claim it thus should be lynched. I did read it. And he's mostly right. And I've already mentioned it's because I'd rather force a wasted vig shot than a wasted DT check and wasted lynch. Pretty decent reasons to me. Whether or not YOU think this was going to happen or not is irrelevant. It's what I thought was going to happen and so I acted. Simple. Think on the duality of that statement. Wasting a shot can be thought of as LOL I EAT BULLETS FOR BREAKFAST on top of being thought of I'M TOWN BRO. I need to review what WoS has been doing recently but this is what I intend to be looking for evidence for at this point, as well as considering the possibility that he is in fact just plain miller. Or maybe he's scum and suicidal because of what we've seen has been the presence of his team, I don't know? Really need to take another look through.... This does NOT explain any of the other kills or ANYTHING of the sort, I did no thinking outside of entertaining the idea, but if it's a possibility given what's presented here and any other kills can be explained by it, then maybe we caught ourselves a crafty one. Contrary to this idea: He's been pretty okay with dying in his words, but if he starts fighting his lynch after accepting that he has to die I might be concerned. Anyway there are what, 2 scum left to kill, he has a vested interest in finding them as well if he is 3P. Remember that BH just clarified that 3P kills are compulsive, as in they must shoot every night, so someone go Bill Nye on this if you want or go nowhere with it, I am going back to Vivax' filter. P.S Rayn is really good at this game, total serious, <3 Was entertaining the idea of a conspiracy theory that WoS was faking the miller claim. In fact, its his last real read post before the big BC case. Vivax: + Show Spoiler +On April 24 2013 04:54 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 00:08 Vivax wrote:
Scummy: Yamato, clarity,
Semi-Scummy: Palmar, WoS, OO, BM, ShiaoPi
Null: BC, Rayn, Hopeless, VE
Townie: Everyone else
No medic for me if Oats flips red, thx. I need to rework on this. I wrote it cause I thought it was a nightless game, cause instant majority and such. Reading the OP helps sometimes :| (Although he was going to die for nailing Shiao and Clarity during the night phase anyways.) Mr. CC: Died after claiming cop, mafia milked a mislynch then shot him before he could nail anyone else. Wanted WoS shot pretty badly, not a stretch to say he would oppose a lynch of him. Rayn: + Show Spoiler +On April 29 2013 05:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 29 2013 05:50 WaveofShadow wrote:Won't be able to post in earnest before daypost. Shoot me if you must, but imo I'd have a look at the people who WANT me dead and are calling me scum vs the ones who say that I must die simply because of the claim. GL town, you're in good hands. This def wasn't a great game for me; playing too pussy = bad. If I somehow survive I'm going balls out I don't think there is anyone who thinks you are much town at the moment, so i'd rather look for people who are making scummy stuff instead of focusing on those who accuse you. Because, let's be hnest, this kind of stuff is what makes you look worse. You just OMGUS-read the people accusing you. Even WoS remembers this one. VE: Similiar to CC, wanted WoS either shot or eventually lynched. Also likely was dead regardless due to well, for being a cop. Sharrant: + Show Spoiler +On May 06 2013 05:27 Sharrant wrote:Show nested quote +On May 06 2013 05:01 getmoript wrote:
Sharrant, what do you think of my analysis of Ace's play. Do you find it completely consistent with BC/WoS scum team? It's certainly believeable. My biggest issue is that I believed that ShiaoPi wasn't scum after Clarity flipped, and I could see the same thing from Ace's perspective. I'll read more in his filter, and see if there's anything I can gleam from it. I like that you made the case, if you're sure about it, I want to see you make it stick. Analyze BC and WoS and let me know what you come up with. I'm not particularly looking at BC right now, but WoS certainly has my attention. Likely died because someone figured out he was JK. Was warming up to the idea of WoS being scum. One of the big claims WoS has to being town is that he pushed Shia over Sylencia. In my mind, this was a distancing attempt and a bus, and I mean it makes sense. Town will almost always go with the cop's red check unless the cop is certain hes insane. Therefore he could look like hes trying to save sylencia when its a mislynch that will solve itself. No no. You don't get to do this. Do you think I'm scum or not? If you do, tell the fucking thread why. Here's a little sample about why that's wrong (intersting, but wrong) You're randomly linking points at which someone said I was scummy during the thread. They didn't all think so right before they died: example being OO. Do you also honestly think the reason Sharrant was killed was because I figured him out? LOL. All me figuring it out means is that the whole fucking thread figured it out because for the most part I'm a dumbass. He practically outed himself right at the end, lol. Actually, I went into their filter and searched ALL of their posts by Wave, and WoS and read all of the results. Thes are the last ones that post an opinon of you. So what? Were they all cursing my name with their last dying breaths? Was I their main focus...like....ever? AM I SCUM OR NOT? I DON'T FUCKING KNOW! AM I? I don't know. But the difference between what you did and what I did is I'm showing commitment to a read. I'm systematically going through and seeing if I can back up my gutread on you. Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 06:12 TheRavensName wrote:On May 10 2013 05:47 WaveofShadow wrote:On May 10 2013 05:38 Palmar wrote:
you know what, screw it.
##Vote Geript I kinda like this. If we lynch you and you flip town it makes me have faith that I'll know where to look for some reason. You know what? Palmar, you've inspired me. The last time a couple posts REALLY struck me as scummy instantly was my second newbie game; I went with my gut on it and was right. TRN, you should remember it well; you helped me lynch Arctic Daishi. Well guess what? ##Vote: TheRavensNameI will still be going through your filter but god damn were those last posts scummy. You have no idea how hard it is to resist all the analysis on you I did with Sharrant. (The only person who seem to actually want to use the QT for analysis and case building. I wish I could have been perm masoned with him.) If were going off gut scummy, there have been people who have been far scummier all game. Such as Kush, or Hopeless, or you and palmar. You just threatened me with some shit from a mason QT amongst a bunch of other scumreads, and tried to divert me to 'scummier' people in the thread. And when I asked you specifically about the things you posted I found scummy, you ignored it. See the difference there?
I've been pointing out whats wrong with you all game. Your so fucking townie but at the same time unbelivably scummy. Ihave literally no idea what to think, because as soon as I make an opinion on you something happens to completly change it. Sense Yamato didn't flip red, I don't care about my case on you anymore. i only like to accuse people when I got an idea who they could be working with. The last idea I had for you flipped green so I dunno what to think anymore and am willing to believe this setup is just silly at this point.
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Something in the way GiygaS refers to his Ace reads (and feel free to consider this tunnelly/biased) as Anti-Town, whereas he has no qualms calling Shaio/Clarity scummy looks slippy to me.
When he puts his vote on Ace initially, it was for the switch from "anti" to "pro" town, which drew this exchange with rayn (read the spoilers for some context):
On April 26 2013 02:55 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 02:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:On April 26 2013 01:47 GiygaS wrote:On April 26 2013 01:36 VisceraEyes wrote:
Re: lynching into Ace/BC/Palmar
Ehhhhhhhhhhh....I don't know if there's a case on BC somewhere that I'm missing, but is the fact that he's inactive right now a part of the case? And Ace is looking more town in this game than I've ever seen...but frankly that is a little disconcerting. :/
Ugh. I don't like the idea. I mean I'd lynch Palmar sure...but BC/Ace? Today? Seems silly. Scum will want them dead if they're town. In my opinion the fog should clear a little bit by tomorrow. I think tomorrow is a better time to make a lynch like that. Your point on Ace could be disturbingly true. Anti town play that caused suspicion may have made him play more pro town today, which explains his behavior. ##Vote Ace You are voting for Ace because he looks town? And you just said at the last page BC is red and Ace is null. Can you explain the logic? Basically, I would say Ace is scum based purely off his day 1 play in my eyes, but his day 2 sort of redeemed him in my eyes. However, it seems to me that Ace could just be looking pro town purposefully because accusations started going on him. That's my logic.
On April 26 2013 03:16 GiygaS wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 02:58 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why not let him be pro town and judge him if he gets scummy? Why not lynch someone who has been scummy the whole game in your eyes?
The place and even more the way you dropped your vote is really fishy. Why don't you want to lynch one of your red reads? It's hard to explain from my phone. Day 1 Ace urged us to take our time, and then rushed the hammer and lynch on Oats. What I'm saying is that upon further reflection, Ace is a red read for me based on his day 1 play.
Not a contradiction per se, but scummy nonetheless in my opinion.
On April 26 2013 09:49 GiygaS wrote:Palmar: - Starts off the day my declaring to the world that Vivax is town because of that "strange heuristic". Could be that he already knew Vivax was town, or it could be that this was his actual read. I'm leaning on the latter. - Goes on geript, who we now know is modconfirmed. At the time however, the case was pretty dang solid, and it seems like it was good scumhunting. + Show Spoiler +On April 23 2013 00:31 Palmar wrote:
List of probably town:
Bill Murray
getmoript (QT thing)
Vivax
slot machine dude
hopeless
list of maybe town:
Ace
grush
cheesecake
kush
Sylencia
TheRavensName
list of who knows:
WaveofShadow
Tube
Drazak
Clarity_nl
Sharrant
Yamato77
ShiaoPi
list of bloodycobblers:
BloodyCobbler
list of somewhat scummy fuckers (based on absolutely nothing):
DoctorHelvetica
ObviousOne
Oatsmaster
giggles The bolded here disturbs me a bit (or maybe it was just the name he gave me ) - Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 00:48 Palmar wrote:
also being inactive in this game is unusally scummy because BH sent a pm to everyone in the game 24 hours before the game started which required a response to be in the game.
So everyone here is fully aware when the game started and reminded of it very close to the start of the game. So being afk or saying nothing is almost inexcusable. Said it before, I'll say it again. This is wrong, Blazinghand's pm was to ask to drop out, not to confirm. No influence on scum or town though. - Jumped on VE 2 minutes after he omitted VE purposefully (from what I got from it he meant it as a null read) Show nested quote +On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote:
am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering
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##vote Oatsmaster Not as bad as Ace pushing for the hammer because he didn't stress to take our time, but he was the hammer(1), and still really didn't post an explanation for his suspicions on oats up until this point. He later jokingly ealaborated that he lynched oats cause oats accused him of being mafia. This is his way of shifting away from the fact that he had no explanation.(2)- Now he's sort of tunneling on VE, whom I have a town read on. - And of course the thing I already brought up (being that he called out inactives for modkills but not tube, who was the most inactive)
(1) Palmar wasn't the hammer
(2) This "joke" came up pretty goddamn early in the thread. All the justification Palmar ever had for his Oats vote was here:+ Show Spoiler +On April 21 2013 20:00 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 21 2013 19:42 Oatsmaster wrote:On April 21 2013 19:36 Palmar wrote:On April 21 2013 18:28 Vivax wrote:
Well I don't care that you say no, I'll treat everyone who posted before me as confirmed town for a while. I think the absurdity and yet strange value of this heuristic makes Vivax very likely to be town. To the point that almost nothing would make me want to lynch him today. Discuss. oh god palmar rolled scum There are two ways of looking at your post. First option is that you're town and legitimately think I'm scum. The second is you're scum and know I'm town and thus want to discredit me. Since you didn't present any arguments to back up your conclusion, I am inclined to think you must be scum. So until you present a believable motivation for your accusations... ##vote Oatsmaster
GiygaS twists the following post to serve his scumread while ignoring what I just quoted:
On April 24 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax, don't fool yourself. Lynching town is never a good thing. I beg to differ, I think it's hilarious that we killed Oats. Hopefully other people will take notice what happens when people call me scum.
This analysis of Palmar from GiygaS is lackluster and neglects to tell us whether his read is town or scum until later:
On April 26 2013 09:56 GiygaS wrote:
Oh and my reading on Palmar is not town anymore, but scummy, but not as scummy as Ace or ShiaoPi
But wait, pop over to his filter and just skim a couple posts from that last one. He goes from Ace/Shiao to clarity and shortly thereafter has completely dropped Palmar. I'll concede I fucked this up already with Sharrant and his read on Rayn, but I still find the way his reads seem to conform to the thread sentiment to be scummy.
If he is scum, it looks horrible to back off of a scumread when that player flips scum.
By process of elimination my top 3 scumreads are GiygaS, Palmar and BC, so my reads are liable to be confirmation biased. I'm trying to spin the most convincing story that makes my target out to be scum and determine what seems most likely. I'm headed out now so I'll finish up my bias read when I'm back tonight.
Also I got diddly from vote-count analysis so far. I blazed through Day 1 and nothing jumped out at me, considering the lynch came down to two townies. I guess you could say kush is useless as usual but I really do think he's town so I disregarded that aspect of things.
Random BC speculation-like thoughts:
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Artanis' case on BC is sitting in the back of my mind. I can follow where the logic in the roleblocking "clears" him. However, I am almost 100% certain I've seen a scumteam withhold a block for towncred and also BC is a decent target for 3P to take out early to keep themselves safe, assuming scum shoot at Palmar/Ace first. This is N1 speculation, not considering Ace was 3P.
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