Let's talk about Artanis. I had him pretty strongly as town based on how he reacted to the Ace thing, it just seems to me scum would've more carefully chosen their position on the issue, and not be persuaded so easily to just go "oh well, I'm an idiot, let's do what I said we shouldn't do".

here's the post I mentioned him being town: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18487429

here's the backtrack (within a page):

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18482210

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18482256

What do you think about him?

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

May 03 2013 21:54 GMT

#4562

ata

BloodyC0bbler

Canada7876 Posts

May 03 2013 21:55 GMT

#4563

Up until this past days events I had a feeling he could be mafia. It was a case primarily around him doing. however by pushing the lynch today as well as looking at the posts you pointed out earlier I find it unlikely he is one of the remaining scum. He could be but I find it unlikely.

I would like your opinion on Kush. The guy has been inactive most of the game and has spent a ton of time hopping on popular sentiment as it happens. He always seems to be around to jump onto the popular wagon at the time and doesn't ever push what he thinks should be done.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

May 03 2013 22:02 GMT

#4564

i completely agree with you on kush
ive been wanting to lynch him for DAYS

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

May 03 2013 22:03 GMT

#4565

also why the fuck is palmar alive if he is appealing to authority with a triple dt claim

ace might have been scum but he was right about palmar being on the 3 dt claim and scum regarding

i was wrong about him earlier in the game

palmar literally has to be scum and if i cant kill him tonight then im going to have to vote him tomorrow

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

May 03 2013 22:04 GMT

#4566

can't get him killed sorry

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

May 03 2013 22:04 GMT

#4567

Few things about kush. I haven't played with him enough to know if he's an asshole as any alignment, but generally the aggressive moves (like demanding those essays) are more townielike.

He also made a few posts that just don't add perfectly up if he's scum. The first one being the misconception about the scum night kill, because it's hard to feign the idea so casually:

On April 25 2013 05:53 kushm4sta wrote:
inb4 scumpalmar was roleblocked and thats why theres only 1 nk

Also, this read of his on VE:

On April 25 2013 14:52 kushm4sta wrote:
hi ace. you aren't town this game so i'm not listening to your suggestions and nor should anyone else.

VE is town. He is town from his first post in the game.

Show nested quote +

only town would complain about having to read the op (because the role names weren't colored)

I am gonna vote for shiaopi. I don't want to go for clarity because now Ace is pushing it. A very similar thing happened yesterday. Yamato was the popular lynch, then Ace pushed Oats, claiming the case on Oats was really good (even though in retrospect it sucked).

Means he's thinking about the game from a townie perspective. No one else (I can remember) pointed out this idea that VE was town based on this.

The last point has an obvious bias, knowing I am town:

On May 01 2013 09:04 kushm4sta wrote:
this is scum? i dont think so

Show nested quote +

Kush basically understands that this post cannot be made by a scum palmar as it's too legit and too in line with what I had been saying all day. Maybe he's a scummer giving me a warm fuzzy feeling about the posts, but it's just too many little things that kush has done throughout the game for me to call him scum.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

May 03 2013 22:07 GMT

#4568

throwing this post in on top of what I already wrote:

On April 22 2013 10:21 kushm4sta wrote:
Giygas as your self appointed lawyer I must remind you that you do not have to answer any of these questions, as you have not yet been charged with a crime.

Kush is just too involved, genuine and carefree for me to think he's scum.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

May 03 2013 22:09 GMT

#4569

oh

palmar is harry potter

wheres lupin

WaveofShadow

Canada31495 Posts

May 03 2013 22:11 GMT

#4570

I had a very angry post I was about to submit but I've decided against it. I think I know what to expect in future games so as not to reach this point.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

May 03 2013 22:11 GMT

#4571

Just to keep track

Confirmed town for the sake of the discussion:

BC/Palmar

Town based on what we have so far

Kush
Artanis
Bill Murray

Town based on other things (cop checks, modconfirms)

geript
OO

Null-ish:

Stutters

Remaining:

yamato
hopeless1der
sharrant
giggles
waveofshadow
TRN

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

May 03 2013 22:12 GMT

#4572

On May 04 2013 07:11 WaveofShadow wrote:
I had a very angry post I was about to submit but I've decided against it. I think I know what to expect in future games so as not to reach this point.

what are you angry about buddy?

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

May 03 2013 22:14 GMT

#4573

I'm not as up to date on the remaing six BC. I think WoS might be town based on effort alone, and TRN is pretty damn ballsy to go after me on n1 mason (if you assume I'm town). He couldn't have known (as scum) that I wouldn't put any effort into the following days, so it's more likely he wanted to buddy up with me as town.

I'm reading Sharrant atm, but feel free to throw out thoughts as you go.

Bill Murray

United States9292 Posts

May 03 2013 22:16 GMT

#4574

On May 04 2013 00:28 Stutters695 wrote:
Tell me sharrant, what makes it so probable ace is town to you and not 3p to you? When do you propose we deal with ace?

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

May 03 2013 22:20 GMT

#4575

This is a pretty good list by Sharrant imo.

On April 25 2013 03:42 Sharrant wrote:
I've got to pretty much echo Rayne's list at this point with a few changes:

Super town:
BM
Vivax
Kush
Palmar

Town:
Yamato
ObviousOne
Geript
Rayne
TRN

Slightly town:
Ace
BC
Sylencia

Hopeless

Null:
Drazak
Tube
Mr. Cheesecake
VisceraEyes
WoS
Grush

Lynch one of these tomorrow:
Clarity
ShiaoPi

Less good lynches, but still good lynches:
Giygas
Stutters695 (A better vig shot, but is very likely to be scum in my eyes)

TheRavensName

United States911 Posts

May 03 2013 22:21 GMT

#4576

On May 04 2013 07:09 Bill Murray wrote:
wheres lupin

This made me kinda think of something. Are we taking OO as town just because of that cop check? if hes GF that would be very unwise. Given that we have 2 millers, a framer, and 3ish cops 9you haven't flipped yet palmar) isn't that something we should consider?

ObviousOne

United States3704 Posts

May 03 2013 22:34 GMT

#4577

Word if I was mafia godfather I would totes know that VT is a safe claim and that I would check same as VT. Except think about why I would be confused about Syl - OO being the same when I was convinced Syl was mafia, leading me to believe I was miller. Super intricate sidestep to push you to believe I'm town as godfather, or genuine confusion given the state of the checks and that I'm town?

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

May 03 2013 22:41 GMT

#4578

clearly I am paranoid, and with 2 millers and a framer, and hell, one of our cop was insane, so that means there's been plenty of misdirection, a godfather isn't guaranteed at all.

also what OO said. he gets massive leeway.

BloodyC0bbler

Canada7876 Posts

May 03 2013 22:42 GMT

#4579

that leaves us with yamato, hopeless and giggles.

Of them all 3 have major points against them that they could be mafia.

Palmar

Iceland22634 Posts

May 03 2013 22:51 GMT

#4580

yeah I'd put sharrant tentatively in the group with stutters for now, but may be he should be higher than that. TRN gets nowhere as much leeway with his thing as OO as it's much weaker.

But mostly yeah