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Artanis[Xp]
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WaveofShadow
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Sharrant, can you clarify this for me? On April 30 2013 06:48 Sharrant wrote: I think that's a terrible idea. I'm 100% sure Ace is town. Check to confirm the other claims. On May 03 2013 05:02 Sharrant wrote: The only exception to the following is thus: You think Ace is mafia and bussed 2 of his teammates, and possibly a third. No, it's quite demonstrably anti-town to lynch Ace. It's been explained several times. There are three situations where you lynch Ace: One: At least one night before LyLo. Two: If the jailer dies to a night kill. Even if the jailer dies to a night kill, Ace will still be RB'ed and thus cannot kill anyone, and he can be lynched without losing any townies. Three: We have 5 dead mafia and the game has not ended. Why do you people not understand this? Ace is not in any way shape or form confirmed third party. He is the only candidate that could be third party (aside from a survivor) but lynching him is ANTI-TOWN. Lynching him now means we give another night to the mafia members in return for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Unless our jailer pops up and goes "I'm not RB'ing Ace tonight" then there's no reason to lynch him. On top of that, IT'S ENTIRELY POSSIBLE HE'S NOT THIRD PARTY. If there's a scum Vigi still left alive (which is just as likely in my books as Ace being mafia just due to set up analysis) it would explain the exact same scenario we are in. So anyone not looking at that like it's a possibility is either not using their brain, or is mafia trying to push an agenda. Whether or not he's third party, it is not good town play to lynch him. He still may be town, and either way he's one of the stronger analysts in the game. I'd rather have the counsel of a man who knows he is doomed to lose, than potentially kill a townie AND waste time not killing mafia when Ace is already a completely solved situation. TLDR; There's never a situation in which Ace kills a townie unless our jailer dies AND we spend the following day not lynching Ace. Ace is a bad lynch today. I don't want to have to argue this anymore, I'm going to go read stuff, and if anyone tries to dispute this and cannot prove even a single specific scenario where this breaks down, I will just assume you're mafia and go from there because you will be pushing anti-town agendas with the knowledge that it has no benefit to town, and only helps mafia. I know it's not necessarily alignment-indicative that you basically hard-defended him all day since he's 3p and all and doesn't have teammates, but why were you so goddamned stubborn? | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On May 04 2013 01:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Yay I read someone right for once. Sharrant, can you clarify this for me? I know it's not necessarily alignment-indicative that you basically hard-defended him all day since he's 3p and all and doesn't have teammates, but why were you so goddamned stubborn? I would actually say it looks fairly bad for him he stopped being so duper scum hunter Sharrant and kinda made it through on his town cred, and comes back when its used up only to hard defend the guyits probably better if Mafia kept alive. Thats just me though. | ||
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On May 04 2013 01:09 Artanis[Xp] wrote: As expected. Tomorrow, we lynch the cobbler. JK, whoever you are, assign a value on everyone based on the likeliness you think of them getting hit, then RNG between it. (for example. 50% player A 25% player B 25% player C, you RNG from 1-4 and on 1-2 you protect player A, 3 player B, 4 player C). Hopeless, case on TRN please. Everyone else, no opinions on TRN please. Let Hopeless make up his own mind. Should I be hurt your singling out me? | ||
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iamperfection
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
Your grammar/spelling hurts me, Raven.  | ||
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WaveofShadow
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
Clearly there's a reason behind it, but I want to see Hopeless tackle this one. You shouldn't be hurt, it's a game after all! | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On May 04 2013 00:51 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Then why did you feel the need to point out why you defended the second best plan? Also, I don't remember if I've ever played with you but I haven't exactly gotten strong town vibes from you. Because I've played before and know how this goes. If I say nothing someone accuses me of pushing a sub-optimal plan. If I point it out you accuse me of feeling guilty of defending a sub-optimal plan. However since my intentions are honest, by explaining my position and being transparent with my actions it should be obvious I'm town. Same way I play every game. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
Netherlands12968 Posts
On May 04 2013 01:25 Stutters695 wrote: Because I've played before and know how this goes. If I say nothing someone accuses me of pushing a sub-optimal plan. If I point it out you accuse me of feeling guilty of defending a sub-optimal plan. However since my intentions are honest, by explaining my position and being transparent with my actions it should be obvious I'm town. Same way I play every game. If you play like that every game, then how does it differ from when you're scum? Have you even rolled scum on TL yet? | ||
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Stutters695
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Artanis[Xp]
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Prove your alignment. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31495 Posts
On May 04 2013 01:32 Stutters695 wrote: Never rolled scum period but when I do I can assure you I'll be an easy catch. Every game I drop scenarios about what I would do as scum as part of my questioning/why I find someone scummy. It's probably going to bite me in the ass hard when I roll scum but I'd rather have a readable and predictable town game when the odds are always in favor of rolling town. lol I asked Dandel about this when inquiring as to what the longest anyone has gone without rolling scum on TL and he mentioned you. Not including this game, how many games has it been? (Have you ever rolled 3rd party?) | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
Canada7876 Posts
Given that I seem to be the person you all want to off next. Palmar/yamato/stutters 1-2 mafia are in that list. I have high suspicions on 2 of them and Palmar is confirmed mafia at this point. When you see my flip go lynch into that list. | ||
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Artanis[Xp]
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Stutters695
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I provide my thoughts fairly clearly, take a stance when appropriate and I'm not afraid to disagree or post something that will bring heat on me because I have nothing to hide (Plans regarding Ace, my concerns with the BC case). I wish I could have had the time to push Shaio instead of just bringing up more points against him (although I feel the points I brought up were lynchable on their own). If you aren't convinced I'll obviously try to fix that. For full disclosure my girlfriend is graduating tomorrow and her parents are coming to the apartment and then we're all going to dinner, followed by the graduation tomorrow at 9am so I'll only be able to check in occasionally from like 5est tonight until like 3-4est tomorrow (PM). So I'll be happy to answer any questions before then that will help. | ||
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Palmar
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BloodyC0bbler
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On May 04 2013 01:55 Artanis[Xp] wrote: BC, if you're actually town convince me that Palmar is scum. I'm 99.99% sure one of you is scum and 90% that it's you. Put some fucking effort in. I did, and then you came in and went "luls nope you" So go fuck yourself. You can misslynch me and then do what you should have done which is listen to players who have done something this game. Have I been the most active player? No, however have I purposely fucked with the thread to the level Palmar has? Have I directly promised to analyze players and not done so? Have I made up a bullshit claim to get someone I want lynched lynched? Have I said I am doing x because I felt like it and no reason else? I have been more inactive than normal yes, but I have a busy life. I have at least attempted to state my opinions in some way that people can understand. If you honestly want to believe I am mafia then go for it. Just keep in mind that VE who flipped town as well as Ace who was instrumental in raping the mafia with a stick both said lynching me was stupid and had very similar mafia reads to my own. So even if you think I am scum. You can go back and double check the reads of those people who have flipped and realize maybe the guy whos still alive, who has been on a similar track to those that are dead who were pushing down mafia like flies? Maybe you should listen to him/them. However I know this won't convince you, you will lynch me, I flip town, and you will then go lynch completely other people because your not going to read over posts of those who died. | ||
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Palmar
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Stutters695
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On May 04 2013 01:42 WaveofShadow wrote: lol I asked Dandel about this when inquiring as to what the longest anyone has gone without rolling scum on TL and he mentioned you. Not including this game, how many games has it been? (Have you ever rolled 3rd party?) No 3p and off of memory (plus the database for the really old games) it's something like this: NMMXXIV NMMXXVI NMMXXVII NMMXXVIII Whose Line Mini Yet Another Normal Mini Personality 2 Themed Game Mafia MTG Mini II Mafia LIX I believe that puts me at 10. All VT unless they were themed. I'm so boring lol | ||
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