EPTConsider my vote on Hopeless in spirit and I will gladly vote once we decide we're ready to end the day.
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
Consider my vote on Hopeless in spirit and I will gladly vote once we decide we're ready to end the day. | ||
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GiygaS
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Ace
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TheRavensName
United States911 Posts
On May 02 2013 10:41 Stutters695 wrote: Seems to me from reading it that the "reasons best left unexplained" are that he wanted to appear on a bad lynch/completely off the mark to avoid getting shot. Would like to hear Ace's thoughts but this makes me feel less good about a Palmar lynch. Since I still can't filter dive, can you tell me what game cycle you were masoned to him on? Yea but, we were in th QT, not the thread there friend. Its not a good answer eiter way. If I was scum, I wouldn't care for his mtoivations on lynching oats, in fact if anything that phrasing was more likely to get him shot just for being like a ominious blue threat if it didn';t come out day 1, I would be happy he did, and if he was scum, he wouldn't want those shared bcause its essentually "i need mislynches to win." If were both town, which I waked into that QT thinking we were, he should have told me so I can understand, especially when he knows this is my first non newbie game. | ||
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GiygaS
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GiygaS
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Stutters695
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On May 02 2013 11:55 TheRavensName wrote: Yea but, we were in th QT, not the thread there friend. Its not a good answer eiter way. If I was scum, I wouldn't care for his mtoivations on lynching oats, in fact if anything that phrasing was more likely to get him shot just for being like a ominious blue threat if it didn';t come out day 1, I would be happy he did, and if he was scum, he wouldn't want those shared bcause its essentually "i need mislynches to win." If were both town, which I waked into that QT thinking we were, he should have told me so I can understand, especially when he knows this is my first non newbie game. That's why I'm asking when he actually was masoned with you. I wasn't here d1 but I had some doubts about you when I was reading the thread waiting for the day to start so I could join. If his post was early into d2 (assuming it was)he might not have been 100% sure you're town. Claiming in mason chat isn't common knowledge afaik and I could see him not being trusting from what I've seen of Palmar. I don't think that alone is reason to lynch him. | ||
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Stutters695
2610 Posts
On May 02 2013 12:38 GiygaS wrote: My computer just crushed destroying the little I had done on my post and my Frankenstein Essay. School takes priority, sorry guys, I'll try to make my post after I re-write my essay. First, I hope that your essay turns out ok. Seriously though, you go mia, come back to read the entire thread instead of commenting on anything relevant and go mia again. What reason is there to not lynch you? | ||
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
Overall have him as town. A bit in this quote i like + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 08:40 WaveofShadow wrote: lol this is a terrible reason for not thinking I'm scum but whatever. CC because of his scumread on Geript; especially since it was before the 'mod-confirmed' horseshit, I want to see if he changes his mind. Kush for similar reasons since he threw a vote on geript as well right before the 'confirmation' and right after agreed that this confirms geript as town without removing his vote. Want to gain some insight into his thoughts processes as well regarding his townreads. Reading carefully and noting something that seems wrong/stupid. Town points from me. Looks like he was suspicious of buddying to me. I dont think mafia would target amongst themselves like WoS picked ShiaoPi out at the end of this quote: + Show Spoiler + On April 23 2013 09:21 WaveofShadow wrote: I didn't say VE is scum. I said an inactive VE is often scum. but I was thankful that he has started posting more because that probably means he's NOT scum and fits with my townread. Don't put words in my mouth, Vivax. Objective was the wrong word to use, yeah. What I meant was everything he says about VE makes sense considering his actions in the games I've played with him, but again there's something in VE's play that has been assuring me he's town...I'll call it a gutread. If Oats flipped town? I'd honestly be tempted to destroy a lot of the lurk going on but they're probably getting replaced and I also know that's not great right now. As far as 'active' posters go ShiaoPi's attack on a town Sharrant doesn't look great to me. I don't have other strong scumreads atm and am going to have to go through and look if you want more than that. There is also his miller claim. I went through it already hereish and a bit more in that area of the thread. Ultimately I see it as a townie claiming. Bill Murray One of the first to call out Clarity. Kind of flipflops a bit but pulls through in the end. Also, Clarity with the rage On April 24 2013 07:35 Bill Murray wrote: not only am i reading them, but i'm reading them in context. notice how i posted MY post on you ELEVEN minutes after? Yeah... I didn't even get to read a page in that time.... and I'm a fast reader In spite of this, I have BM as slightly scummy. He never actually follows through on voting Sharrant like he said he would just above that flip-flop post I linked above. (in thread) Going though his filter he jumps to kush-ve scumteam, with clarity as a LAL target and giggles for "parrotting", which is what he accused WoS and CC of in his flipflop dilemma. He goes on to associate case / omgus rayn with his kush read + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2013 06:45 Bill Murray wrote: yo anyone remember this post? all i said was "sheverus shnape" i didnt claim ANYTHING town vivax is wanting to question me scum rayn is wanting to push a mislynch on a vet FoS rayn attacks vivax when i dont need an out due to the wording, hell, the LETTERING being an obvious joke...... trying to make an associative tell and chainlynch on d1.... scummy scummy scum this interaction with another scumspect of mine, kush, makes him look awful im saying kush, rayn, and WoS are maf how many are left? brb once i find if WoS chimed in on this Later on, he drop this list where he no longer is so strongly against kush/rayn, but nevertheless... + Show Spoiler + On April 28 2013 07:17 Bill Murray wrote: Town regime: Bill Murray Ace Palmar BloodyCobbler Sharrant Probably town, not 100% in order: Grush57 Mr. Cheesecake TheRavensName Artanis[Xp] getmoript ObviousOne Grush57 Policy lynches: Yamato77 Hopeless1der Stutters695 ShiaoPi GiygaS Scum in here: raynpelikoneet Kushm4sta Sylencia VisceraEyes WaveofShadow I want to leave rayn for now. I also want to leave kush. I want to lynch VE, Sylencia, or WoS... preferably VE or WoS, as Sylencia is more of a gutread His reads are so volatile, and they also have 3 flipped townies (and what I believe to be another 2) in the "scum-in-here" section. Not liking that at all. He could very well just be wrong as all hell (so could I about kush/WoS), but I find that list of his really sketchy. Lastly, there's the issue of his activity, but who am I to talk, right? Stutters On the basis of primarily this exchange, I have stutters as town for the moment. On April 30 2013 03:41 Stutters695 wrote: You hammered Oats when he was sitting at L-1 for fifteen minutes. Of fucking course he didn't have time to contribute more. I was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt considering you hammered a townie WHO YOU NEVER HAD A SCUMREAD ON but if you're just going to dodge answering I'll await your flip. Other than this, his filter is even shorter than mine and this was the most alignment indicative thing to me. kushm4sta + Show Spoiler + On May 01 2013 08:14 yamato77 wrote: Question: Has Kush suspected any of the mafia we have flipped this game? If yes, he is mafia. If no, we can ignore him. I cba to look at his filter. I checked, we can ignore him. Proof On April 30 2013 09:37 kushm4sta wrote: I will not vote for shiaopi or cc ever. I think they are both town. In all seriousness, I had kush as town from when he pulled this gem: On April 22 2013 00:58 kushm4sta wrote: also something i noticed... i think this is borderline cheating for talking about the PM but I also think it points heavily to town. and the resulting conclusions that he drew from it. He refused to acknowledge that his reasoning was not town-exclusive in a way that only kush can be oblivious. + Show Spoiler + On April 22 2013 01:29 Oatsmaster wrote: No, why would their role pm be different from town? Also sample role pms are in the OP IIRC Please dont let this become the flavor thing from that game. Game in question was Acme Mini Mafia where kush thought he was sandroba and could solve the game with flavor claims Also that thing yamato cited where kush busses all the time is something i believe, so thats another point for town-kush. Hats will be eaten in the event I am wrong on this one. (Not Red) "Modconfirmed" not scum. Possibly 3rd party, but I'm leaning town due to my read on Ace and the lack of NK's. I guess survivor is possible, but there's no reason to go after him, so leave him be imo. ObviousOne On April 29 2013 11:14 Mr. Cheesecake wrote: Well if we lynch Syl: Flips town ----> Shaio confirmed scum, OO confirmed town Flips scum ---> OO confirmed scum, shaio confirmed town And one of us gets a check in the end. I fully believe this. I'm not reading OO's filter to discern his alignment at this point. If I'm still alive in the morning I'll probably give it a whirl to be on the safe side TheRavensName Most recent points against Palmar to me show well thought out reasoning as to why his mason role should be a pro-town entity and Palmar's actions are scummy. On April 22 2013 23:38 TheRavensName wrote: Rayn your righyt and I want to apologize, that was jarjar and rainbows who said that. I apparently need to pretend that game never happened because I,m still not sure I know lol. Please don't use this crucify me again all day 1 for it even if its more fitting this time. I feel scum would have verified their accusation, to prevent this kind of backtracking from being necessary. A decent amount of his thoughts on Sharrant and WoS were in line with rayn, but not in a buddying or forced way to me. Looks natural. On April 29 2013 06:01 TheRavensName wrote: I tried a few imes to breadcrumb. That one just looked the best. Truth be told, I think the host should have written his text different. Hes the only one that is by his name, not his character. Kinda soft confirms another cedric. This really looks like a 2nd Cedric questioning the FLAVOR of the flip post. Massive towncred to TRN. gratz. Ace - Serial Poisoner On the basis of night-action analysis I believe ace is the serial poisoner. It lines up with there being 2 NK's the 2nd night and no further NK's since Ace has been roleblocked from N2 onwards it would seem. Unless a townie was responsible for grush's death, I consider it a 3rd party shot and given that they are COMPULSIVE, Ace makes the most sense in this situation. I'm tired and want to go to sleep. GiygaS, Artanis, Sharrant, Palmar and BC to follow tomorrow. I am debating whether to do yamato or not due to omgus bias. Random Setup Notes: Remaining players 2 Mafia Probably 12 town Probably 1 third party (with KP) Worst Case Scenario's Lynch = 11 town - 3 "scum" Factional + 3P NK =9 - 3 Lynch = 8 - 3 Factional+3P = 6 - 3 Lynch = 5 - 3 NK's = 3 - 3 Theoretical 3 mislynches remain until the game is truly unwinnable for town. This assumes 3P starts firing his lazer. Due to 1NK N1, that almost guarantees there is no SK and suggests we have 4 mislynches minimum due to delayed SP hits. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
You 'haven't gotten to' arguably the most important people on this list, that is, the only ones who are likely to be lynched today. Who the fuck needs a townread on me and fucking OO? We need reads on Palmar, BC, and (slightly less so) Ace but instead you give us reads that don't matter worth a dick right now where the game is at. Your scumbro is gonna be pissed at you when you flip because you just let us know that we're aimed in the right direction. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
But yeah, Hopeless, this isn't going to gain you any towncred. I'm fairly sure anyone in the game at this point could have made the same 'reads' as you and you have added exactly nothing new in terms of insight into the people you read into. I eagerly await your reads on the final few; those are more likely to be the ones that pique my interests, | ||
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kushm4sta
United States8878 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: Your reads are inexcusable this late into a game with 200+ pages. LOL i hope you never want to lynch me because my reads would receive 1/50th of the effort he gave. | ||
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getmoript
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Hopeless1der
United States5836 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:12 WaveofShadow wrote: I just skimmed through your post and just from what I see here it doesn't look good. You 'haven't gotten to' arguably the most important people on this list, that is, the only ones who are likely to be lynched today. Who the fuck needs a townread on me and fucking OO? We need reads on Palmar, BC, and (slightly less so) Ace but instead you give us reads that don't matter worth a dick right now where the game is at. Your scumbro is gonna be pissed at you when you flip because you just let us know that we're aimed in the right direction. i literally went in order of the signup list. Also ace is there already. Finally, if/when i flip town you can suck a dick. I told you I'd get to them tomorrow and I damn well will. Do you disagree with my townreads? If so, why? Process of elimination is a valid scumhunting method especially with a minimum of 4 mislynches available. Anyways I'm going to bed. Night. | ||
yamato77
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Geript, I am not mafia. There's zero good reason left to think so. Even Ace isn't pushing me, and is fine with a Hopeless lynch. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:21 kushm4sta wrote: LOL i hope you never want to lynch me because my reads would receive 1/50th of the effort he gave. I'm all but ignoring you at this point into the game, Kush.  Looking back through Hopeless a little bit I found a couple of interesting things I don't think anyone has noticed yet. Hopeless is probably one of the only people who has considered me town from the get-go, INCLUDING my miller claim. On April 28 2013 10:59 Hopeless1der wrote: He's trying to avoid a bullet, not the rope. I get where your coming from but his claim isn't the dumbest thing i could think of. BM trying to push kush outranks wos' claim, but I think all parties are town right now. (You, kush, bm, wos) He believes my reasoning for the claim at face value and argues with a tunnely Rayn for quite a while about such. I'll get back to this. Also interesting to note here is him calling BM town here, when just now he calls BM his only scumread essentially. What has changed between now and then? NOTHING. Looking at the timestamps, Hopeless calls BM town at 11 KST on April 28, yet the very posts he calls BM scummy for happen 4 hours earlier ON THE SAME DAY. If he was TRULY reading at the time he originally posted this he would have no reason to call BM towny since according to his recent reasoning BM would still be scum. Big contradiction here. Now back to me. When I claimed the entire thread was out to get me. Hell the thread was looking to kill me before I claimed (hence the claim but we've been over that) the only person who believes the claim at face value is Hopeless. Even OO, who comes to my defense later on along with Ace, agrees earlier on that he doesn't like it but they have no choice but to shoot me. I argue that shooting me would have been the right call to make and mostly everyone realizes this....except Hopeless. Why? HE KNOWS I'M TOWN. Wants easy towncred. Pretty simple. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:22 getmoript wrote: Honestly, my interest in voting for hopeless has greatly reduced because Yamato is pushing him. He's been the main hopeless pusher the entire game. | ||
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WaveofShadow
Canada31494 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:30 yamato77 wrote: It's really obvious he's mafia. Geript, I am not mafia. There's zero good reason left to think so. Even Ace isn't pushing me, and is fine with a Hopeless lynch. To be fair, Ace is a terrible example right now given his situation. Geript I'm pretty over yamato as mafia right now. I am interested to hear why you think Hopeless is not scum though---can you separate your bias and give me an objective reason? | ||
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getmoript
1016 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:30 yamato77 wrote: It's really obvious he's mafia. Geript, I am not mafia. There's zero good reason left to think so. Even Ace isn't pushing me, and is fine with a Hopeless lynch. I'm still not sold on you not being mafia. Even if you aren't mafia, then it's pretty obvious that you haven't been playing well at all this game. So you calling someone scum makes me not want to sheep you because you're likely tilted and wrong. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On May 02 2013 13:34 getmoript wrote: I'm still not sold on you not being mafia. Even if you aren't mafia, then it's pretty obvious that you haven't been playing well at all this game. So you calling someone scum makes me not want to sheep you because you're likely tilted and wrong. If you've managed to read my posts on Hopeless at all, you can look for yourself. It's not like it's difficult to read his 4 page filter and come up with your own decision. | ||
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