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On April 26 2013 00:39 yamato77 wrote:
How about we not let BC come in and shit all over the town atmosphere?
For once, I'm actually attempting to add some positive vibes to it.
Just throwing this out there dude. Comments like this are why I think you are a terrible player or scum. Because this is another one of those "i should lynch you to hell" Posts.
Now to continue reading.
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Ok lets move into the land of posting.
First off let me ask you all a question as you have been active this day. For all the "scum" reads I have garnered why is it only a single player has even pushed an analysis of any sort on me? This is coming from someone I pushed day 1, Yamato. Since then I have see others share the sentiment of BC must be scum. 0 reasons have followed aside from activity. My activity that I stated straight out that I was not going to be around for.
Now we have someone like Yamato claiming we should kill me before I return to avoid ruining town atmosphere meanwhile he has spent the day floundering over his reads, then telling people we should lynch into the ace/palmar/BC pool. Guess what? read his filter for this current day. Find me him pushing anyone on analysis. Show me him trying to consolidate the town on any central lynch. He suggests names then changes them. The only constant is me but he never just pushes me. He is still not actively pushing me. Why? If i am his #1 scum read this game he would be trying to push my death faster and surer than anything else he has done this game day. Instead? He just mentions my name. Read his filter. End of page 5 and on. Tell me where he gives an analysis post or solid read that is based on any substance. Tell me where he tries to prove my original statement of him being scum wrong. He has done absolutely nothing but attempt to blend into the crowd while calling names? Why? Because if I get lynched then he follows me to death as hes pushing for a death on a townie. He knows damn well that he will get shot / lynched on my flip thus is not pushing for my death.
He also mentions we should lynch into the me / ace / palmar group. He never does a solid method of analysis on either just blanket says we should lynch into this group to find scum. Why isn't he attempting to help? Because he knows there are misslynches in there and does not want the fallback on his own head. Why if he also believes ace could be scum why no analysis on ace? Why is the only post on palmar being red a WIFOM argument. Why does he have a vote on VE if he wants me dead of all people?
Simple. Yamato is scum.
Thankfully Yamato's scumbuddy Mr.Cheesecake also jumped out of the wood work. Cheesecake has a 5 page filter. Between calling himself Town, he finds time to quote/post lists on reads that don't count as real town contributions. What has he done on his own? Nothing. He has found the ability to follow Yamato's lead all through the last game day where he agreed with ace on Yamato being bad. Why would you sheep the guy you think is bad?
Why would you spend time attempting to confirm a player as town based on night shots on the grounds of "i don't think scum would defensively jailkeeper" n1. Why wouldn't they? Its the one night you can't get shot. Toss it on one of your goons or powerrole you don't intend on using to create a stupid wifom argument in which town goes "he must be legit"
Says he wants to lynch ShiaoPi yet spends more time in his filter mentioning me as scum than the guy he wants to lynch.
Given the massive level of non contributions while attempting to blend in he cannot be town.
Also, for anyone accusing me for being scum based on my lack of contribution. Please filter dive your beloved Ace and Palmar and tell me what either have done to convince you of being town. Both are "active" while not actively helping the town in any positive way. Since when would Ace base his reads/lynch of the reads of another player. Go read his game history. Ace does the shit ace wants to do and pushes it when town. He is not taking this town by the reins or even actively attempting to lead the lynches. Palmar is in the same boat.
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On April 26 2013 05:33 VisceraEyes wrote:I started to reply to this post and realized that I'm making the assumption that there has to be a scum jailer. There doesn't does there?
Why does town have to have a Jailer? Scum having two "rbers" isn't uncommon nor is town not having medics. Setup speculation serves no real basis on how to analyze if someone is town/scum.
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EBWOP
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers,
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On April 26 2013 05:42 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 05:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
EBWOP
Actually given that town could have jailkeepers or medics. not having jailkeepers makes sense given that town has no real need of rbers, Given the absence of actual RBers it does NOT make sense that scum have zero too. This is the basis of my assumption. And I'm not basing wanting to lynch Palmar off the RB claim. I think he's scum based on what he's done in the game.
As would I. I am merely pointing it out based on the comment made about "why would town jail bc"
I would want to lynch Palmar for same reasons people would say "lynch bc for" What people don't realize Is i took a firm stance day 1 on a lynch and Palmar nor Ace did. They sheeped.
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Interesting point VE. I actually agree with it as well
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On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you?
Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though
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On April 26 2013 06:01 raynpelikoneet wrote:
BC what do you think of the candidates who are/were on the table on D2 besides yamato, particularly VE, ShiaoPi, Clarity?
Clarity has done nothing to change my read of him d1, VE is not mafia in my books and shiao is completely mia thus should be dealt with by vigi's in my books.
People who rarely contribute and spend more time lurking who have no real basis for a scum read should be dealt with by vigi's until they have said enough to warrant a lynch. Of that block you could argue clarity could be lynched, but he is not the scummiest player in the game thus has a higher chance of flipping town over say yamato/cheesecake/ace/palmar
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On April 26 2013 06:02 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:00 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 26 2013 05:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
So is there a reason Yamato is a better lynch than Ace or Palmar to you? Because I feel Yamato is 100% scum whereas the other two could be scum or third party. Of those two I would lynch Palmar first though Yeah you mentioned Ace as third party before too. Is that based on his air of "protownness" that he does NOT exude in other town or scum games?
Basically this. In most games as mafia or town, Ace has a more "assertive" personality. IE he dictates the flow of the game as best he can. In either case he pushes his own ideals and when scum attempts to have this appear townlike. However. With such a generic apathy of who to lynch and no solid pushing / shooting down conversational avenues that aren't worth talking about he just lets the thread get cluttered. I believe he in day 1 advocated for a quick lynch. Why would a townie want a quick lynch when the more time to talk the better?
Given his lack of assertiveness I have him as third party.
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On April 26 2013 06:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I'm not saying he was a wagon leader. I'm saying he called Oats scum at the start of the game, From what i know Oats didn't do anything to change that read. I'm just saying i don't consider Palmar's vote on Oats sheeping.
I do. His case on oats primarily revolved around Oats calling him scum. He even made a post
On April 24 2013 04:14 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 24 2013 04:12 yamato77 wrote:
Vivax, don't fool yourself. Lynching town is never a good thing. I beg to differ, I think it's hilarious that we killed Oats. Hopefully other people will take notice what happens when people call me scum.
Why is it hilarious to lynch a town? Why was his main reason to vote Oats when he did later
On April 23 2013 10:16 Palmar wrote:
am I the hammer? Cause I fucking love hammering
##unvote
##vote Oatsmaster
Seriously. Hes done nothing productive this game.
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On April 26 2013 06:30 VisceraEyes wrote:
Why did you say "Basically this" and then proceed to say something completely different from what I said? Are you budding me BC?!
I clarified my exact reason. He normally attempts to exude that air but his level of assertiveness is the third party remark.
Buddying you would imply I only was following your reads. Given I have my own I would say we mutually have similar reads.
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On April 26 2013 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:Nonono, buddying implies that you're being overly agreeable with me, not that we have the same reads. But whatever I'm just paranoid. You're like the only person who thinks I'm town in the game apparently. 
To be fair you are also one of the few who thinks I'm town as well. However if anyone compared your play here to boardwalk perhaps they would see a different VE. I find it unlikely to have someones scum game change this drastically in one game. Let alone a scum who would defend a town BC when it would be more advantageous to let me die.
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On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:37 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 26 2013 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:Nonono, buddying implies that you're being overly agreeable with me, not that we have the same reads. But whatever I'm just paranoid. You're like the only person who thinks I'm town in the game apparently. To be fair you are also one of the few who thinks I'm town as well. However if anyone compared your play here to boardwalk perhaps they would see a different VE. I find it unlikely to have someones scum game change this drastically in one game. Let alone a scum who would defend a town BC when it would be more advantageous to let me die. Since when have you been in danger of being lynched?
I have been talked about for the last two days of being scum. IE there is potential chance of me dying to lynch or vig bullet. Period. If VE was scum and saw this happening. Why would he not fan the fire / just let it continue. Instead he opted to defend me. Given that only two players in this game of done so and have also been logical overall in their reads. I find it likely they are more likely town than scum.
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On April 26 2013 06:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 06:27 VisceraEyes wrote:
Palmar, conversely, made one post at the very beginning of the game and that was it for his thougths on Oats. If you're counting that as "meaningful contribution to the Oats case" then there's either something seriously wrong with your metric or you're fucking scum. Take your pick, I'm done fucking talking to you unless you're willing to get your head out of your ass tunnel and think for a second. Palmar doesn't always express his thoughts clearly, that's what i have learned during the last couple of games. I'm not sure he is 100% town but his reads seem accurate. To me it seems like your case on him is you trying to make the evidence (which i think is false) to fit your case and your case on him points more to you or even Ace being scum than him, because if we are honest here, neither of you have done jack shit to find scum this game. That's what i think, and that's why i think we should lynch you.
Read Palmars filter, tell me what hes done and where VE lied. All I see is an excuse for him made by you and not him. If I was being reamed for not expressing myself in detail why is Palmar getting off the hook for the same shite?
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On April 26 2013 20:59 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2013 12:51 ObviousOne wrote:On April 26 2013 12:44 Ace wrote:
Bill Murray/ObviousOne what do you have to say about the recent discussion going on?
OO Bill Murray is an eccentric kind of player. It is very possible he didn't read the thread, or read it and saw something no one else did and chose to comment on it. That is just how he is. Yeah probably I just expected him to be around at this time and wanted to check if he was here, also I 100% believe in the rule but if he admits he isn't caught up then I will take that at face value. BM, would scum Palmar leave town you open as a possible mislynch instead of telling everyone: On April 23 2013 09:21 Palmar wrote:
Bill Murray is the towniest fucker in this thread. Basically that's where I ended up on you as well but it wasn't until some time later after everything settled in. From Palmar's perspective he is encouraging your possible scum reads and has essentially been playing by proxy +1'ing other people's posts. I guess I can see how he arrived there quickly since he was paying attention to you and I wasn't as concerned with getting a read on you at that point. not to mention I'm really good. so why are we not lynching VE yet?
cause hes likely town.
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On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now.
This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping?
I am suddenly very fine with lynching you
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On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is. I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on. The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity. Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya
Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly.
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On April 27 2013 03:04 Stutters695 wrote:
That's the exact same thing he did with hammering Oats btw.
Since you are here. Can you give me an outline of your thoughts. Reads, reasons for the, etc...
You have an extremely small filter and given that your final should be done now you should have a bit of time to do the thread this small gesture.
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On April 27 2013 03:19 ShiaoPi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2013 03:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 27 2013 03:05 ShiaoPi wrote:On April 27 2013 02:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote:On April 27 2013 02:35 ShiaoPi wrote:
Well, that took a lot of time to read.
Not so sure about whom to lynch now with tube getting modkilled (lol btw!). I also have very limited time during the entire weekend, which is obviously gimping me by quite a bit as I while only be able to drop by shortly during the evening/late night before I sleep.
I am currently torn between clarity and VE.
Going with VE for now because I think it is a good idea to sheep Palmar. Go figure.
##vote: VE
If there are no direct questions to me in the next couple of minutes I'll be off to bed until I can come back on tomorrow at about the same time as right now. This is your first post I have seen where you look at VE as someone to lynch. Not only do you not provide a reason why you think either is scum you opt to choose who you did based on sheeping? I am suddenly very fine with lynching you Its 2 am, I am fucking tired and tomorrow is another tightly packed day, this is the main reason for my shortness in statements and other things. It is of course my first post saying that I think VE to be scummy, since my activity has been terrible anyway. As I am unable to do anything about my current schedule, shit like this happens. Take it or leave it as it is. I think that the cases and points laid against clarity and VE throughout the day have merit to them, therefore I consider them to be scummy. As they are kind of both equally scummy to me I look on who are the voters on them and what are my reads of them and so on. The votes on VE as the current time are Palmar and kush. Palmar is a very high townread of mine and a really strong player in anyway kush is a nullish read of mine at the moment --->Strong preference to also vote for VE Votes on Clarity are: Sharrant, rayn, obviousone, Ace Sharrant is probably town rayn is more nullish but also in the townleaning camp Their current interactions of being best pals for life is kind of irritating though as it makes the earlier exchanges between them esp in D1 look fabricated. OO is just not readable to me right now. I have no clue about his alignment, I do know thought that I am fucking town, so his skill in making reads does not impress me. Ace has the credentials to sway me onto the clarity vote, but I am much less sure of my read on him than on Palmar ---->much weaker preference to vote with them on clarity. Call me Palmar fanboy if you want but ya Why don't you discuss any of the other potential scum candidates, why didnt you make a solid post about why you think VE is scum or clarity is scum? If you have time to read, and know you are going to be inactive it seems the logical move as a townie would be to post why you are doing x to avoid being called out on it. Instead you don't do that. Instead you jump in, vote, and attempt to flee instantly. I did not discuss them as incidentally my strongest reads are on VE and on Clarity right now. I have a lingering suspicion on Gigays which is weakening to stupid townie currently and I am wary of Stutters, but that is more due to the fact that he replaced in and has not done much yet. Weak argument but he did replace DrH who is usually a very vocal person. As you seem to disagree with the way I am playing, I just want to say that I am posting about why I a mdoing what, probably not to the satisfaction of most people in the thread when I glance eat the voting thread but that is just the way I do it now. Looks to you like jumping in dropping and vote and running off i guess, but truth is, it is late, I am tired, I do still want to play this game so I am allocating time I could use for sleep to this game in order to not only save towm from a potential mislynch but also to push what i believe to be scum. You can read that as you want it, but at least to me it is definetyl not fleeing, heck I am here answering to you
That you are which is some points in your favour. You understand where i am coming from though? That I had to pressure you to get information that you should have presented in the first post?
I will let you get sleep but I do expect more from you than sheeping players because "they are good" especially when said players are not doing that much
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VE I am willing to swap my vote but I want to wait a few more hours on Yamato to actually respond. Because well, if he responds insanely badly I will want him lynched instead / give us required night period to ensure he gets vigied.
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