EPTTL Mafia LXI - Page 173
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kushm4sta
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 30 2013 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: You aren't even arguing about it, you haven't even TRIED to comment on the posts I made above. You asked me to do it and I did. I already said I heavily doubt there is a framer. I outlined they'd need to hit the right player already. I dont see how you post address this. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 30 2013 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: You aren't even arguing about it, you haven't even TRIED to comment on the posts I made above. You asked me to do it and I did. On April 30 2013 10:08 VisceraEyes wrote: You aren't even arguing about it, you haven't even TRIED to comment on the posts I made above. You asked me to do it and I did. Copping out is fucking bullshit Ace, you're the one using language that insinuates that I'm fucking STUPID for even considering this shit, why not show me HOW I'm fucking stupid rather than post dismissive bullshit? I even toned down indignation IN SPITE of your dismissive tone, which was fucking HARD Ace. | ||
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ObviousOne
United States3704 Posts
If anyone thinks ShiaoPi is town, now is the time to start convincing us. My stance on ShiaoPi is pretty clear, I feel. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 30 2013 10:12 Ace wrote: I already said I heavily doubt there is a framer. I outlined they'd need to hit the right player already. I dont see how you post address this. How did you "outline they'd need to hit the right player"? I know you heavily doubt there's a framer, but I'm saying that's irrelevant to the situation at hand - the fact is that they MIGHT have another framer, so your plan is fucking STUPID because ONE framer fucks with the WHOLE THING. They could target EITHER myself OR Palmar with it. There's NO WAY they would target CC with it because Palmar's sanity is in question, but that doesn't matter because if they hit me OR Palmar with it then YOUR PLAN IS TOTALLY STUPID. Explain how and why I'm wrong Ace. | ||
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ObviousOne
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Ace
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
YOU HEARD IT HERE FOLKS | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 30 2013 10:15 VisceraEyes wrote: How did you "outline they'd need to hit the right player"? I know you heavily doubt there's a framer, but I'm saying that's irrelevant to the situation at hand - the fact is that they MIGHT have another framer, so your plan is fucking STUPID because ONE framer fucks with the WHOLE THING. They could target EITHER myself OR Palmar with it. There's NO WAY they would target CC with it because Palmar's sanity is in question, but that doesn't matter because if they hit me OR Palmar with it then YOUR PLAN IS TOTALLY STUPID. Explain how and why I'm wrong Ace. Shiao has not flipped. If CC is indeed telling the truth they would def target him also because BC, Palmar's check hasn't flipped also. If CC is indeed telling the truth, we know he's insane. But we dont know if YOU are also telling the truth. So they could target you. Whatever result you get no longer matters - you'd have to confirm Palmar as "Same". Palmar's check on CC, who is telling the truth tells us more about his sanity and confirms CC is innocent. Framing you does nothing here unless you and Palmar are both lying - which would fuck you both over if BC flips. Framer does nothing here. | ||
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Mr. Cheesecake
United States3756 Posts
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VisceraEyes
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 30 2013 10:20 Ace wrote: Shiao has not flipped. If CC is indeed telling the truth they would def target him also because BC, Palmar's check hasn't flipped also. If CC is indeed telling the truth, we know he's insane. But we dont know if YOU are also telling the truth. So they could target you. Whatever result you get no longer matters - you'd have to confirm Palmar as "Same". Palmar's check on CC, who is telling the truth tells us more about his sanity and confirms CC is innocent. Framing you does nothing here unless you and Palmar are both lying - which would fuck you both over if BC flips. Framer does nothing here. If CC is telling the truth, then they would target ME, NOT CC. What do you think targeting CC accomplishes for the mafia with Palmar's sanity in question? | ||
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ShiaoPi
TAIWAN NUMBAH WAN5956 Posts
There is another possibility of CC being a sane cop and VE being the liar out of the three. They frame syl n2 you get your friggin redcheck and I am still the townie from my role PM Did you guys consider that? that means kill ve instead of cc | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
On April 30 2013 09:23 VisceraEyes wrote: VE = Parity Cop (not subject to sanities) Cheese = Alignment Cop (Insane) Palmar = Alignment Cop (Unconfirmed Sanity) Now let's see what happens if I'm framed. Your plan is this: VE -> Palmar Palmar->CC CC->VE With the framer targeting me we should see results like this: Palmar CC VE (because insane) Which we can then distill into Town Palmar ????? Cheesecake Scum VE Suddenly VE's claim isn't so confirmed is it? Now all of a sudden we're looking at VE looking like scum because of confirmed-sanity-CC checking him as scum! Except...VE isn't scum is he?! HE'S A GOD DAMNED PARITY COP! And when you lynch the fuck out of VE for being scum and he flips town, where do you go there? YOU LYNCH CC BECAUSE HE'S EITHER LYING OR THERE'S ANOTHER FRAMER PRESENT. In what way does this confirm anything Ace? HOW?! [/QUOTE] ...in what way does that confirm anything about anyone? | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
What do you think targeting CC accomplishes for the mafia with Palmar's sanity in question? It does the same thing targeting you does - it screws up 1 guy's check. But TWO of you, one of which we know has to insane DT if legit, has to get a "Scum" result on you. We know what he has to be if telling the truth, that is the entire key to this. | ||
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VisceraEyes
United States21170 Posts
If we're all town this is all a huge waste of time that will harm town. That's my point. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
...in what way does that confirm anything about anyone?[/QUOTE] Your claim is confirmed depending on what Palmar reports. Remember - he already has a red check on BC. If you are legit, if Palmar lies he will show up as different to YOU because they framed you nullifying anything Palmar says. If his claim holds up and both you and CC hold up we just move on and do it again: we possibly DO have 3 detectives, all with an extra investigation and now are sure of their sanities. If there is a liar it will be revealed by any flips of your investigation (OO), Palmar's (BC), or CC's (shiao). How is this bad? A framer does nothing to stop us from finding out the lie or confirming everyone as legit. They are screwed. | ||
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
On April 30 2013 10:32 VisceraEyes wrote: My point is what if we're all telling the truth? You think I'm being unreasonable for considering framer as a possibility. I'm saying you're being unreasonable saying one of us HAS to be lying. If we're all town this is all a huge waste of time that will harm town. That's my point. adressed it just now. If you're ALL town all 3 of you will know what you are and the game is pretty much over with 3 detectives running around when we still have prot roles. I dont see why you're so against this. We are knocking out 2 bids with one stone here. | ||
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Ace
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