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On March 23 2013 08:18 deconduo wrote: It's been a while. Also GMarshal is red now? When did that happen. Like 2 days ago, actually. | ||
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SECRETLY I'M PICKING [20] [20] BECAUSE THAT IS THE SPORTING THING TO DO | ||
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DELICIOUS WIFOM. | ||
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It will be interesting to see which "power roles" slip through because later people opt for weaker ones to avoid being VT. | ||
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 Ah well I'll read it all tomorrow. My numbers are already submitted as promised anyway. | ||
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That was unexpected. | ||
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I'm not really in any hurry to share my pick but if we came to a solid consensus I'll pick it. This thread is a lot longer than I expected during the draft phase though . On April 05 2013 14:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Town should deny KP roles. AND NEVER FUCKING USE THEM. more town people = better chance to win Dont be a hero. We should deny the perma KP roles. I cant say I'm experienced with PYPs but I was under the impression that vigs still shoot their scumreads no? | ||
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On April 05 2013 14:36 yamato77 wrote: sno what do you plan with that first pick tell the town I honestly haven't decided. I thought I was gonna be a later pick  | ||
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Now that I can't, I have to pick something. Somehow town wants to avoid people picking the awesome roles because they are afraid it could be scum picking them? TBH that seems a bit off. Also the whole "Deny scum" picks seem sketchy since High-drafing scum can "Deny" them to town by picking them. Unless you guys want a complete announcement of who is picking what beforehand (which would actually be pretty sweet IMO but I don't think we have time to arrange it. The reason it would be sweet is because Scum are already less likely to get vanilla'd, so it might help to get town as juiced as possible). PS I haven't watched any Boardwalk Empire so it's kinda hard for me to figure out what power might be more powerful in my hands. I'll re-read the list with that in mind. | ||
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I've submitted mine, after some thought. I'd rather keep it quiet since scum killing me N1 is no fun, although I suppose they can just kill me on the grounds that whatever I have it's gotta be good right? Also I really didn't want to read 45 boring pages of random plans that are easily influenced by scum and are also mostly neutered by scum knowing about them... In hindsight, it was probably pretty unwise for me to pick first but that's water under the bridge now. | ||
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People think vivax is scum because he's always best mislynch. | ||
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I AFK every weekend. Of the possible lynches today, I think I'm going to vote for VE. Artanis is present and his arguments make enough sense. I agree with the logic that scum using a re-usable day-vig today on a powerful Jack role (When their only other option was basically geript the VT) is enough in itself and doesn't change the arguments for or against artanis. I'll read Shevlocke/Sinani filters and see if there is anything glaring there. 10 hours to lynch I think so we have a bit of time. | ||
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His interactions with gonzaw's claim are really bad (like, extremely scum-motivated), and he demonstrates that he is actually reading yet he fails to write more than 1 line except an easy bandwagon on to S&B when his lynch looked popular. PS: Shevlocke really looks like a bad lynch to me. His posts look like he is reading and thinking about the game, and they look pretty insightful. I want to give him a chance N1/D2 to achieve something. I think I'd lynch VE before him. Either way, I'm off to find the voting topic. Since it seems customary to do this here as well, ##Vote: sinani206 | ||
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On April 09 2013 01:09 Caller wrote: hey sn0_man can you explain why you picked [3][5]? Hey Caller can you explain why you are shitting up the thread for no reason? | ||
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I picked 1,1, he knows it, I've outed it to the thread before and during the game. This frustrates me... | ||
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PS: geript's "I'm VT, didn't get NRA" claim definitely makes sense as scum in a lot of different circumstances (including him lying). It does NOT make him scum, but it also shouldn't count for any town cred. @geript why did you choose NRA? | ||
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On April 09 2013 02:33 austinmcc wrote: (1) What interactions with Gonzaw were scum-motivated? (2) Which posts look like Shelvocke is reading and thinking the game? Which are insightful? (1) He has made 3 total posts since gonzaw's claim. First, he asks gonzaw to kill Bill Murray, a subject of no discussion that wouldn't really shed any light on the game. It isn't who he is voting for and his only justification is "I have no meta on him but I think he is scummy" (thats his second post). His third is basically asking gonzaw to full roleclaim (which, in light of scum clearly having an assassin, is extremely scummy. Nothing from him since then. | ||
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If you are really needy, just read his last post: On April 08 2013 17:18 Shelvocke wrote: I think yamato shot gonzaw. I can't prove it, but it's the explanation that makes best sense to me right now going by people's reactions. I'm not entirely sure if he's the kind of person who would do that as town, but just skimming through the last normalish town game of his (Town Aint Big Mafia), I think it's entirely possible. Going to sleep on this, but that's where I'm at right now. Even if he is insane and or making stuff up, its fairly clear that he is reading and thinking the game and is thus contributing quite a bit more than Sinani (and VE, to be honest). I'd rather have him in the game Day 2 than either of the other 2. He was trying to figure out what person shot gonzaw when really nobody else was thinking that way. Really, my argument isn't that Shelvocke isn't scum, its that he is a better player to have in the thread come day 2 than sinani or VE based off of play so far. My scum-identification rate is really bad. | ||
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On April 09 2013 02:53 strongandbig wrote: hey sno-man a few pages back sharrant and i each shared our reads on obviousone. wanna join the "trying to be less lurky" party? poop us out a read on obviousone "Hey Sn0 give us a read on every person in the thread" no fuck you I don't like big games. I think Sinani is the best lynch today and there is my vote. Other people I don't like (but don't expect to lynch either) include oatsmaster and to an extent bill murray. I joined this PYP because its PYP so hopefully some interesting stuff happens tonight. I'm more interested in cool roles and interactions and that stuff and less interested in the traditional mafia scumhunt. I've played all my games with an eye towards solving stuff (with logic and blue roles) rather than having good reads on people. | ||
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On April 09 2013 03:04 austinmcc wrote: I found newbies 37 and 38. Have you been in any other games? 36 and maybe 35? I was definitely in 36. I've only played newbies and I played a string of them. | ||
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On April 09 2013 03:06 strongandbig wrote: you can't just say 'fuck you im not going to play' Thats absolutely not what I said but w/e. | ||
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I have a pretty null read on him, but I'll say that he is a better lynch than artanis (who has not cleared himself but who has at least put up a real defense) and a better lynch than many other people simply because of the amount of discussion surrounding him (aka it would be an informative lynch as compared to, say, a shevlocke lynch which I don't see as producing much valuable information by flipping). Which is why as I've said I may vote VE if it comes to that. Right now I want people to lynch Sinani though so I'm in no rush to vote VE. | ||
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On April 09 2013 04:19 geript wrote: Off the top of my head the people I want to look at are: yamato, caller, shelvocke, austinmcc, bill murray, sinani Caller? | ||
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On April 09 2013 04:29 Caller wrote: no, voterigger didnt do anything, if there is one i did end the day, but since there was double lynch both of them wouldve died anyways How do you know voterigger didn't make the double lynch? | ||
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On April 09 2013 04:32 Restraining Order wrote: Where did the doublelynch come from then? He thinks emperor | ||
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If we had an emperor they had to choose to double lynch BEFORE the day started (read the role). However, they also get to choose the day 1 lynch (this part wasn't worded quite as clearly, it may be an "additional" lynch?). I'd say it sounds like a town vote-rigger but I could be wrong. | ||
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Jeez. You obviously weren't reading 36 where I mislynch an unopposed blue claim or 37 where we get flawless defeat. Either way, I hope you don't expect me to play the same in this game as I would in a newbie game with people who have *never* played before. Of course I'm gonna lead them otherwise where are they gonna go? Meh, looks to me like you just wanted to build a case on me. I still am not sure how emperor works. [green]Is the emperor's day 1 lynch an additional lynch or does it replace the town lynch?[green] it isn't clear to me in the OP. | ||
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Is the emperor's day 1 lynch an additional lynch or does it replace the town lynch? Also last post was @austin | ||
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Vivax could you rewrite your previous post? The english is... unclear. | ||
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All my relevant posts are in a short period I recommend you read that period rather than from filter because context is important. Either way, the comment on VE was when there were essentially 2 candidates (VE/Artanis) and I felt VE was a better lynch. Later, I very clearly said VE is NULL to me but a better lynch than most purely for information purposes. So I was willing to vote VE but didn't see him as scummy. Some other people mentioned going after Sinani/Shelvocke so I poked through their filters and decided Sinani was the best lynch. I still think oats looks bad but there is no movement to lynch him so I'm leaving that read on the backburner. I don't waltz into a thread and demand answers after posting essentially nothing for 48 hours, and I don't try to "lead" people whose play I respect. | ||
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On April 09 2013 06:16 geript wrote: @sn0_man Which games have you shadowed in (if any) and who did you shadow? none I've read the occasional page of most games since Newbie 36. Enough for an oddball like vivax to stick out, and to recognize a fair few names (like I know palmar is highly respected, for example). I've probably read max 5% of any game I wasn't in though (maybe more of hydra mini but I don't even know who were the hydras). | ||
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Either way, I agree with Kei lets lynch sinani (once it's day) since he is scum. I'd say he should be shot tonight but I thought the consensus at the beginnning of the game wast that town with KP were supposed to NOT use it? (at least, that is most of geript's justification for his role selection). | ||
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On April 09 2013 07:21 geript wrote: I think we have some strong information to shoot off of and some people who are acting exceptionally odd/scummy. I'm fine with either a Vivax or Sn0 shot. Of the two, I'd much prefer a Sn0 shot as we'd likely have to lynch him sometime anyways. Other than that, not so much. How does this apply to me and not to Vivax? Either way I'd like to survive to day 2 so that I have some way to prove innocence if that becomes necessary. I still don't see what case there is on me (I recognized vivax? zomg obviously scum...) | ||
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Mocsta, You are wrong. The way the votecount was written at the end of Day 1 (not geripts, but the host one) as well as the fact that the host states in the Day 1 post when the day ends is a pretty clear indication that showtime was used. On top of that, no vote-rigger in their right mind is going to submit a double-lynch until he knows who is going to be lynched by it. And he didn't know because deadline was in 6 hours or whatever. The extra lynch was a Emperor submission, as far as we know. Not the Emperor's "double lynch" but the emperor's "free lynch". On April 09 2013 22:57 Caller wrote: wait, and sn0_man got mad at me for shitting up the thread? You specifically asked me a categorically false question for no reason... At least mocsta believes he is right... | ||
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I mean, I'm as happy as the next guy that we got 2 scum but I'm not sure what the point of proclaiming your own greatness is. I mean, caller kinda unilaterally showtimed artanis (with the help of gonzaw getting a bunch of votes on him) and then the emperor unilaterally lynched VE and that was that. Its pretty hard for us to know who's comments swayed the emperor but I hesitate to call day 1 anything more than a success for town perpetrated by 2 particular people (rather than town as a whole). | ||
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On April 10 2013 07:22 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have an idea. sn0_man and ObvousOne. Shoot each other. At least sn0_man has basically claimed he has a KP role and one of them like HAS to be scum. I most certainly have not claimed anything of the sort. Plus I'm not scum (not so sure about ObviousOne but there are only 3 scum left and I have a lot of people who i think could be scum already). Nice try though. | ||
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I was under the impression reasons were good things. Especially since calling me scum without listing any makes me think that they are scum, although that is just OMGUS and not really a good reason itself. | ||
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Beyond that I'm more interested to see how night actions resolve. Once that information is available reads will progress. | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:38 Restraining Order wrote: "a lot of people" = sinani? I'm not asking for hourly sinani updates here. You seem to have "a lot" down as scum suspects, and all you do is ride on sinani and 'defend' yourself. I think Oats, Rayn, Palmar, Vivax, Geript, YOU, deconduo, and austinmcc could all also easily be scum. Thats my problem. The only person that I'm confident enough to push, in whom I see NO redeeming qualities, is sinani. Everybody else has shown at least flashes of towniness that make me willing to wait on them. I fail to see how trying to get 8 people lynched counts as contributing so I'm waiting for the situation to clear up with posts (and night action results). | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:55 raynpelikoneet wrote: sn0 have you read RO's filter after D1? What did he do on D1? After day 1 he's been trying to get Vivax lynched Day 1 he claimed framer and thats all I remember beyond a null impression and him posting some stuff I didn't agree with. While I did read the entire thread, it kinda blurs together when you blast through 50 pages from the weekend in one sitting. | ||
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On April 10 2013 08:59 strongandbig wrote: i notice you didnt include shelvocke why not I read his filter, I didn't see the scumminess other people were complaining about. Plus I agree with others who said that his interactions with VE/Artanis make him look near-confirmed town? | ||
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Don't we just lynch M_Z now? | ||
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Food for thought. | ||
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I mean, it is decently likely meapak dies today, if nothing else. As such, the anti-nuke won't be hitting anything else of value. Beyond that, given that austin is *confirmed town*, I don't see who is "more valuable" to save with an anti-nuke. | ||
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On April 10 2013 11:52 geript wrote: how is austin confirmed town? the only "confirmed town" right now is me. A) you aren't confirmed town. B) Keirathi just finished COP CHECKING HIM as town. The godfather is dead. | ||
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On April 10 2013 12:08 Mocsta wrote: Im not following the thread sentiment. Cn someone fill me in? I though 24hrs ago. Many didnt like sinani. And austin was barely spoken about. Now austin is under lots of suspicion and ppl aeem to be ignoring sinani? What happened? I dont understand why caller is dead either. Why rayn over sno? Thats weird too Sinani ain't being ignored. Go check the voting topic. | ||
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On April 10 2013 12:11 yamato77 wrote: Should we lynch sinani or Meapak? Hmm..... Why not both? Its double lynch day. | ||
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On April 10 2013 12:25 Bill Murray wrote: I killed Caller btw ...? Confirmed-town showtime (aka now VT) down. Thanks BM. | ||
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On April 10 2013 12:33 Bill Murray wrote: We know a maf died last night since the janitor power was used. The other 3 kills will be mafia, in all likelihood, so Caller was scum. The janitor doesn't know in advance who was going to die. This logic is flawed. | ||
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Proof? | ||
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That or Shevlocke is BloodyC0bbler and M_Z's post wasn't a good enough roleclaim? | ||
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I don't think thats the case because BM is so far looking like he's loopy, but its apparently a possibility. | ||
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In the meantime, Bedtime! | ||
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On April 10 2013 23:23 Mocsta wrote: Sorry Austin. Im not against "hard to reads" claiming. Or if the information is useful (e.g. Kei -> checked Austin) But I am not planning to claim. I think my actions should make me probably town for most, if not all. Hence: My role *may* or *may not* have more to offer. I prefer to keep scum on their toes with that. I'd say that everybody claiming probably just makes you safer from mafia (although I guess keeping them afraid of a spent role is helpful?). However, nobody can force you to claim I guess... (unless there is an extractor, which I kind of wonder given RO's funny claim yesterday shortly after gonzaw's death). Anyway, BM has now basically claimed justice vigi. I find it pretty hard to believe that he justice-vigged Caller and is still alive, but it might not interact the way I think. If the Justice Vigilante shoots a TOWN player who is already the subject of other KP, does the Justice Vigilante live? The OP seems to indicate that said justice vigi would die if he ever aimed his gun at a townie regardless of other interactions, but I'm not sure. also Do roleblocked people recieve notifications? | ||
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with 23 players 3 dead day 1 7 total dead day 2 double lynch + nuke in the air means 10 will be dead by the end of today. Leaving 13 players alive. While I hope (and think it is possible) to win or put scum to 1 remaining player by the end of today, towns numbers are also dwindling fast. I feel like some sense of urgency is not unreasonable. | ||
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I expect all night actions occur even if the perpetrator dies that night as well (as in the case of deconduo/janitor I think). In the case of a full-claim (which I'm not convinced is the right choice but I wouldn't mind seeing it at least begin) Yamato, Oats and Vivax are the first up (going with Justice vig BM for now, since he's asleep). If yamato and oats are around they can probably begin safely. I don't really care about yam but Oats I'd really like to see his claim | ||
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Exactly. Claims happen from bottom up. | ||
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On April 10 2013 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote: I changed my mind. I LIKE SNOMAN. K. Um so yeah Vivax and sinani. wat | ||
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Try not to get modkilled since BC just dropped us a reminder to be civil to each other. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:29 Oatsmaster wrote: ITS REALLY HARD/. MOCSTA WHY YOU BE LIKE THAT????????? You've done your very best to antagonize about half the thread this game. Just because you ran into somebody just like you doesn't mean it isn't your fault too. | ||
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On April 11 2013 00:40 Oatsmaster wrote: You were scum in personality 2. Was that not your last big game? Also claim please He has "claimed" some sort of DT, without stating an actual role name. Keirathi DT checked him as town, and he has a nuke flying his way at the end of the day. I'd say his credentials are pretty good. The only value of his actual role name now lies in being able to call out any fake-claim made by scum. No reason for him to claim. Nice try though. You are up first bro (Technically thats yam but I'm willing to let you go 1 out of order). | ||
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On April 10 2013 11:26 Keirathi wrote: Anyways: I don't expect to live through the night tonight, and assassin is already dead. I am a cop. I checked austin last night, and he is town. I was also given the Lie Detector invention. I will use it when it's appropriate and let everyone know the results. His DT claim is all his posts saying "I thought sno was scum but he isn't" and "Drop sno hes not scum". They are just as clear as BM's Justice Vigi claim. | ||
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What we do know is that if a claim happens it will come in roughly reverse pick order so Yam, oats and you are among the first. Really I just want an Oats claim right now because I think he's looking pretty bad atm. | ||
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Ah well. @Oats "the way i'm playing doesn't make me scum" are you serious about that bro? | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:01 Oatsmaster wrote: I DONT WANT TO CLAIM CAUSE I DONT SEE A POINT Im actually not angry, but I felt that I wasnt getting my point across Sounds a lot like wat Artanis was saying if you know what I mean. | ||
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And mocsta lied at the beginning of the day about hearing from him? Thats wat it sounds like. Research and role speculation time. | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:11 Oatsmaster wrote: Anyway. Im going to claim, cause my role basically makes me confirmed town so yeah. IMA RECRUITING MASON. So dudes come into my house uninvited, drink my coffee, steal my dinner plates and shit. Well THAT should be easily verifiable. Wat 2 homies have been drinking ur coffee? | ||
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I'm assuming that means M_Z only just got added (could be wrong). | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:23 Vivax wrote: Wait why should I claim again? No one wants to lynch me. If by nobody you mean "at least half the people reading the thread at this moment" then you would be pretty accurate. | ||
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If RO confirms, it should be decently elementary. If any of them die and flip scum then we have the whole team. Thats pretty risky so for now I've set him aside as "not lying about role". I'm not convinced hes town but if dandel says so then I'm willing to believe for now. | ||
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On April 09 2013 05:35 Oatsmaster wrote: I finished Personality with him being scum, me being town. I think there is enough original thought done by him to make him town. I like most of his posting in this game. That don't sound right. | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:42 Oatsmaster wrote: where are you going with this sn0 man? Dunno. Background-checking your claim. Trying to figure out what on earth caused the M_Z nuke debacle. | ||
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On April 11 2013 01:39 Vivax wrote: Mocsta let's lynch ObviousOne. That'd be real gangsta. What would be gangsta about it? Why do you wish to be gangsta? How will it help town win this mafia game? | ||
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On April 11 2013 02:02 geript wrote: Yup, still seeing no reason to move my votes. M_Z is part of a PM network with both other members asserting his towniness and I've been DT checked as town by a DT who was seperately checked as town. Seems like pretty good reasons to me. | ||
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I'm still kinda blown away by the whole BM Justice-Vigging Caller and being alive thing. Because that would make BM confirmed town (picking a role like that), but it all seems so weird. That is to say, it seems so unlikely, I'd like to see BM die and flip. However, The chances of BM putting himself out there like this with so few mafia left if he were mafia also seem around 0. URGH. | ||
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On April 11 2013 02:14 Vivax wrote: I'm confirmed town though, Palmar gave me a townread Palmar gave me a scumread and I'm confirmed town. Means Palmar was full of it. | ||
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On April 11 2013 02:47 Vivax wrote: Oo, Sinani, Shelvocke and Sno should look through and give out reads of each other. I've posted long ago that Sinani looks like scum to me, Shelvocke doesn't (although his hijinks with "shooting" M_Z etc were... unhelpful). Shelvocke hasn't really helped his image much. Sinani has at least resumed some form of posting but not really in a town-helping manner. He does look like easy lynch-bait though, which is about the only thing he has going for him. | ||
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On April 11 2013 03:59 yamato77 wrote: It should be pretty obvious that I tried to pick Justice Vigi and failed. As for who I want to lynch, I feel good about my choices. You guys are fucking around a lot and I'm not interested in reading a bunch of bullshit posts ATM so forgive me if something else happened. Well, it wasn't obvious that you tried to pick Justice Vigi but w/e. You didn't miss it by much if BM is to be believed. Meapak_Ziphh is apparently part of a PM circle with Oats and Restraining Order, both of whom swear he is town. That vote may be one you wish to reconsider (or not, but for now I'm believing them). | ||
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On April 11 2013 04:03 yamato77 wrote: I don't like either of those people, so no, I won't reconsider. Are you of the opinion that M_Z has successfully misled both of them or are you of the opinion that one or both of them are also scum? | ||
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The 2 that have talked seem decently convinced of each other's towniness, not just leaning. And I'm not so sure either of them could convince each other THAT well as mafia. M_Z is afaik an old name and who knows he might have it in him to pull the wool over the other two's eyes. That would line up with him being mafia and firing a weird nuke, but I still don't see it as very likely. That is to say, THERE CAN'T BE THAT MANY SCUM LEFT. If BM is justice vig then there are MAX 2 scum left. If BM is lying then hes one of the scum and there are MAX 2 other scum left. So it can't be 3 scum in the circle. I just don't think it's likely that with 2 scum left (+ or minus a traitor or two, but we know the roles of M_Z oats and RO) that M_Z is scum. Right now my biggest questions are Bill Murray (everything about him is so WTF?) and then Sharrant/Sinani: scummy not-so-useful players with weak defenses at best. Vivax is still on the list of "Has a decent chance to flip scum, dying might be informative", but he is present and doing stuff and IMO less scummy than the others. | ||
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Like, seriously. He HAS to be. Nobody is that dumb are they? That would mean very very few scum left but I'm leery. Deconduo sounded serious (if he was scum he should KNOW that claim gets him lynched, with scumbuddies and all). | ||
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Recruiting Mason - You are the recruiting mason and you love pm networks. After all rolepicks are distributed you will be partnered with 1 person in a pm network. Then every night you will randomly add 1 more player into your pm network (so you will start with a 2 man network before day 1 starts, then add 1 more every night). Everyone will know who is in the network and everyone in the network can pm one another or the entire group (or you can just use a quicktopic), and anyone can be in it, town or mafia. From the OP | ||
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On April 11 2013 04:46 yamato77 wrote: Too bad, I guess M_Z dies. He really doesn't have THAT many votes right now does he? I'm lazy. Need a votecount. | ||
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Beyond that, it's possible he got his role stolen by the guy who prevents use the night he steals, but BM was like 20th pick so no thief in their right mind targets him. Plus I thought BM would be informed of this and would share it . | ||
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On April 11 2013 05:12 Keirathi wrote: So I was thinking about BM some more because of this post. BM almost HAS to be town. What do we know? 1) BM claims Justice Vigi who shot Caller 2) Caller died, BM still alive 3) yamato claimed he tried to take justice vigi. 4) Justice Vigi is 100% not a mafia role. They can't shoot townies with it. So what does that mean? First off, if BM was lying but yamato isn't, then why hasn't the real JV counterclaimed BM yet? So yea, not likely at all, IMO. The only way BM is not JV is if him and yamato BOTH lied. Why would scum link themselves together in a lie like that? If BM ever flips anything other than JV, it outs yamato as lying. If yamato ever flips anything other than VT (and especially if he flips scum non-VT), it makes BM's claim questionable. Maybe not auto-lynch worthy (because scum yamato could have thought about the implications of lying about JV to make BM possibly look bad later but I don't find that very likely at all), but worth looking into. Yeah, I've basically come to the conclusion that BM is insane but somehow confirmed town in this case. Unvoted him in favour of sinani. | ||
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On April 11 2013 05:14 austinmcc wrote: BM probably not a good check based on that, plus, justice vigi is a role that confirms himself. Janitor is gone, so either a mafia member dies EVERY night phase, or the justice vigi dies. If you don't see either of those things happen, there is no justice vigi, and yamato is lying and gets lynched. Because the role is compulsive and has a confirmable outcome, there's no need to check whoever claims it. The claim gets verified by the flips in the case of that role. Good point. BM is a bad check, we'll know enough about him come Day 3. | ||
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On April 11 2013 08:50 Vivax wrote: Imo the invention is fake or has been created by scum, and the result is unreliable. The inventor's choice to give it to keirathi rather than someone like geript who played a huge role during D1's lynches makes it questionable. + Show Spoiler + Lie detectors don't exist, they're just used by psychologists to trick people. On another note, there's nothing stopping Keirathi from fakeclaiming a correct (?) DT check on the almost dead austin, and it happened right around the time where MZ shot the nuke. Keirathi actually claimed at this time 11:24 and this time 11:26, and MZ shot during 11:27. Do you see any purpose in Keirathi not playing like a smart cop and blowing up his cover to say austin is town, rather than wait to see if he's even getting lynched during the day? I don't, I think there's a decent chance this might be scum powerplay. Geript kept trumpeting his role when everything he did could easily have been as scum (especially given how Caller worked out). Now he casts suspicion on 3 (three) near-confirmed town in one post. Then vivax charges in and announces that scum are trying to take over the thread because Keirathi got the invention? Man, this thread took a turn for the worse in the last hour. | ||
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On April 11 2013 09:09 austinmcc wrote: Should keep moving up on claims. Vivax, shelvocke, mocsta At this point, agreed. | ||
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I'll give you a reason why not: lynches are towns power. The more lynches town has, the better chance at victory. Night is scum's power. The longer the game goes the more inevitable it is in scum favour. You are so scummy geript | ||
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On April 11 2013 10:21 geript wrote: It's obvious that no one is putting in the work to town hunt. There's no agreed policy lynches. There's also no flip for whoever dies at lynch. No reason to deny town more information. A second lynch looks almost assured to be a mislynch at this point no reason to shoot ourselves in the foot any further. Read janitor role bro Today's lynches flip | ||
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On April 11 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote: BTW Austin. I don't think its important to known right now which one it is exactly. I either have 1 kp left, or a couple role checks. I prefer scum to be kept on toes. Well I find it unlikely that you are BC since you claim to have shot before decon roleclaimed. I wish BM would be a bit more cooperative... | ||
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I'd really like to "progress" through the roleclaiming process right now since I think that it will be quite hard for scum to hide in that. Even if there is a bloodycobbler floating around, it looks decently likely that they shot last night in which case they can't even shoot today (only tonight). | ||
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On April 12 2013 00:02 yamato77 wrote: I kinda think we should Lynch BM unless he claims. Well, I for one don't really care if BM gets bloodycobbler'd (since all of M_Z, Oats, RO, Vivax and maybe more have hard-claimed enough to get BC'ed as well). So I strongly support him claiming However, Do we want to lynch him? I mean, I still think he is Justice Vigi claim or no and if he is then lynching him is quite retarded. I'm more interested in what you guys think of Vivax's claim. If he is for real then I'm surprised because parity cop is utterly useless for scum, might as well try for something awesome and end up VT. However, I'll also say that parity cop has to be a pretty safe "fake claim" since nobody else is very likely to ask for it either. So basically, I think its definitely a point in Vivax's favour but I still kinda want to kill him. :/ I'm going to have to really look at SnB for a while since he might also be a decent lynch. | ||
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On April 12 2013 00:33 strongandbig wrote: hahahahahahaha this is hilarious actually this is hilarious on multiple levels Man your defenses are so well-thought-out and full of proofs. | ||
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I do want to know why he defended M_Z so staunchly though. Which is why I want the role-claiming to progress. I'm okay with skipping BM since he's afk. Did yamato ever claim? if not its him. After that, its Shelvocke which I'd like to see right now too. | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:15 geript wrote: I only count 2 red check cops in OP yet 3 have claimed. Did I miss a random role somehow? This. Time for role name claims. | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:16 strongandbig wrote: capitalist has alignment checks, as do detective and nkvd agent Capitalist is role only baby | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:17 strongandbig wrote: also joat i think also copycat if someone copied gonzaw when he died, i guess? Jack is dead, except yeah I guess copycat time. Didn't think of that. PS you forgot to bold and strikethrough rayn. Makes the list harder to read. | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:19 strongandbig wrote: huh actually yeah the only way the claims are all true is if someone is gonna claim copycat Shouldn't have said anything until after claims lmao (although yeah, you weren't the first) Kei isn't around atm though is he? | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:24 Shelvocke wrote: I'm a VT, I tried to pick Showtime. Aint that a scummy pick? Plus super-safe claim since we know what happened to showtime. Doesn't make you look good, but thanks for claiming because that part helps town. | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:23 Oatsmaster wrote: SnB totes town, look at red team after day 1, he almost got mislynched there too. Other gems from Oats including the word "totes": On April 07 2013 15:15 Oatsmaster wrote: Girls. VE totes town | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:40 strongandbig wrote: I'm Detective mz came back "Town AMERICA" it's too bad he nuked already otherwise i could have used my knowledge of his role to confirm myself or something Inc M_Z russia claim. JK. I wonder who could possibly get a role bonus as "AMERICA". I don't watch Boardwalk Empire. Ah well. | ||
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On April 12 2013 01:51 geript wrote: Don't shoot. It tells us you're town. Every time geript opens his mouth, he espouses more scum-motivated plots. HE DIES AT THE END OF THE DAY WE SEE HIS FLIP ALKJSL:DJL:SHKLJBLASDFSDKL:J | ||
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+ Show Spoiler [Godfather role description] + You are the Godfather of the Mafia. You lead the Mafia by example and have a number of abilities which assist your minions in bringing Liquiville to it's knees. You have the ability to cover a player, changing their role and alignment to anything you want. You can choose to appear as a role of your choice (including vanilla townie) to any and all types of detective-esque actions. You are immune to votechecks. | ||
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OFC, its hard for me to tell because I've played 2 games with scum Mocsta and I think 0 with town mocsta. I want to lynch him less this game than ever before | ||
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Has ANYBODY made sense of rayn's "last words"? On April 10 2013 09:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Okay, i can't stay up later. One thing i need to say: geript: If i get hit tonight you have the instructions on how to proceed. Make wise decisions! You will know what i mean! On April 10 2013 10:00 raynpelikoneet wrote: Whoops. I actually meant Mocsta. Got confused about your names. :D | ||
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On April 12 2013 02:39 Keirathi wrote: What the actual fuck? How can BM be scum if he picked JV? Which you also supposedly picked, but got VT? If he flips scum, you 100% die tomorrow for lying. Anybody who died N1 could be JV... (okay probably not caller) | ||
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There has to be something about rayn though. Was he Ver or something? I don't think so... And I can't really think of anybody else who would "leave instructions" as it were (I just went through the role list). I'd really like BM and Sharrant to claim NOW. | ||
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That seems pretty townie although you could explain it as mafia taking an easy shot. Why did he claim it though? I think there are better shots today TBH (although you really don't answer to anybody right now ). | ||
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On April 12 2013 03:08 Vivax wrote: There's also the chance scum has a goldman sachs and austin is scum so don't take anything for granted for the moment, this setup allows crazy ideas. Wait, how would the politician somehow make Keirathi's dt check invalid? | ||
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On April 12 2013 03:17 Vivax wrote: It wasn't anything concrete, I was throwing in the thought that everything is possible around that nuke and it's not guaranteed that austin will be dead after this day. A way of saying that there can be a lot of chaos caused by scum during this day. More accurately, you are causing confusion in the thread for no reason. M_Z didn't nuke day 1, his first nuke isn't silent, etc. You and geript are consistently throwing as much confusion as you can into this thread. PLEASE STOP. | ||
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This discussion of his meta probably isn't too helpful either. Lets settle on somebody else. Vivax/Sharrant/OO look like good targets. I'd say Sharrant but he looks a lot like lynchbait too (same read as I had on sinani. Scummy, but could just be lynchbait), so I'm waiting on his claim. I'm not utterly counting out mocsta but until the deconduo shot and claim is somehow rationalized as scummy (which I can't see how it could be) I want the discussion somewhere more useful. | ||
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We KNOW he didn't nuke day 1 because all the deaths day 1 were "was lynched" deaths. Obviously the deaths don't happen at night. Day 2, the nuke has been MOD CONFIRMED to be flying at austinmcc. CAN YOU STOP CLOUDING THE THREAD? | ||
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On April 12 2013 03:39 geript wrote: Sno... Claim. You know, at this point when it comes time for me to claim I think I'll ask austinmcc to do the honours for me. That way you can't shoot me if you are scum BC. | ||
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Doesn't really clear Sharrant but makes me more town-read on SnB. (PS: I just realized that I make 3 people left to claim. Whatever. I know my role, as does austin, and I'd have claimed any KP I was responsible for) | ||
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On April 12 2013 04:18 yamato77 wrote: EBWOP: Palmar was shot by mafia as the factional KP Okay, what happened to rayn? you think he was hider or something (with a pretty high pick )? | ||
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On April 12 2013 04:23 yamato77 wrote: Has anyone considered this possibility? If BM is telling the truth, and is JV who shot mafia Caller, and Deconduo was actually mafia Janitor, there's only 1/5 mafia left. Seems possible, no? Thus, if we lynch mafia and don't win the game, and there's no anti-town third party, one of Mocsta/BM is probably mafia. That's how I reached that conclusion. Town mocsta could totally have shot town decon, but I do see your logic. | ||
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On April 12 2013 04:29 yamato77 wrote: Why would town deconduo, knowing he was about to die, use janitor? Makes more sense from a mafia perspective. But yeah, Mafia Mcosta shooting town decon makes even less sense, unless they had a rolecop on him and accurately predicted he would use his power. Rolecop results wouldn't have been back. Decon used janitor before he knew he was dying. Really, this is pointless speculation that is clouding the thread just like vivax and geript Waiting on Sinani and OO claims, although with 1 KP missing I'd like BM and Mocsta to hard-claim first (if they are reading right now, I know mocsta is on AUS time). | ||
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Sharrant Shelvocke OO Yamato (geript, but some people consider him confirmed town) yamato honestly has been looking pretty townie, and vivax who I kinda wanted to lynch has a parity cop claim that should let us know more about him in the future. So I think we kill the top 3 on that list today? (lynch 2 shoot one?) I'd very much like to see a sinani/OO role claim, probably OO first since sinani is confirmed green for now. | ||
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)However, with the amount of time left in teh day (6.5 hours I think) I'd be happy if sinani and OO just stepped up and claimed now. I'm not sure they are here though. | ||
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On April 12 2013 05:52 austinmcc wrote: People with checks not entirely clear. People who have done checking not entirely clear. Most of them not worth worrying about atm, but nobody should ENTIRELY sleep on snb/keirathi/mz/sinani. See what pans out. (sn0 still very, very likely townie due to role usage, unless the flips get really wonky) I'm sleeping on them until Night or next day. Today shouldn't be clouded by discussion of them for now though (IMO). | ||
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@Sinani I suppose you took your role to block scum getting the rig? At 4th pick I suppose that is legit. Might not have been a bad Idea to claim earler (like when RO claimed framer). Ah well. @ geript I'm still waiting for OO. However, I'll Soft Claim right now, since by now it should be eminently obvious: My target last night was Keirathi. | ||
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On April 12 2013 08:17 Keirathi wrote: I was thinking of suggesting an item to clear up some of the flips (or at least one), as well. Just depends on what BC will allow. (PS: your hint to me was good )Yeah, "Gravediggers Shovel" had been thought of (wasn't a big deal until the start of D2 so . BC likes putting restrictions on stuff. Glad you liked my comment. I still had another tidbit to prove my identity to you if there were doubts. | ||
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On April 12 2013 10:31 Mocsta wrote: And then there is this stupid bickering with Sn0, who is prob CPR Medic based on claims thus far. Things that I am NOT: CPR Medic | ||
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On April 12 2013 10:50 Sharrant wrote: Just claim already. I actually can't even understand why you're not claiming at this point. I think there is a bloodycobbler. My role is strong and I'm confirmed town. I'm in no rush to allow that particular KP to hit me, though I admit that it is quite likely I die tonight. I could get dayvigged by BloodyCobbler role if I claim now and therefore not be able to... use my role. My soft claim: I happen to know some things about the invention last night that the thread at large doesn't know. | ||
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I asked a similar question about how the godfather's "cover" works and haven't got a response but it should be quite informative if this one gets an answer. The reason I wonder is because sinani's role choice and play make me think he *could be* scum. Invention had no clause about going through framing/godfather etc. I really want to know who is in the PM network now guys. | ||
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Alive: 1: Sn0_man - inventor 4: Sinani206 - Vote Rigger - Depending on godfather answers I still harbour some suspicion here 6: Geript - Claimed VT going for NRA 7: strongandbig - Claimed DT, green check on Meapak_Ziph. 9: Restraining Oder - Claimed Framer 10: Meapak_ziphh - AMERICA Green check reliant on strongandbig, also godfather questions 15: Keirathi - Claimed NKVD 17: Mocsta - Claimed Capitalist 18: Shelvocke - Claimed VT going for Showtime 20: Vivax - Claimed Parity Cop 21: Oatmaster - Recruiting Mason (near confirmed pending today's addition) 22: Bill Murray - Claimed JV, Claimed caller shot. 23: Yamato77 - Claimed VT going for JV Dead: 2: obviousone - CPR doc 3: Raynpelikoneet - Alignment unknown assumed TOWN, Assumed VT going for inventor 5: Visceraeyes - NRA member 8: Caller - Showtime Likely red depending on Bill Murray resolution 11: artanis[xp] - GF Assassin 12: sharrant - VT tried for DT 13: gonzaw - Jack of all Trades 14: Austinmcc - Copycat (got Jack of all Trades) 16: Palmar - Assumed Town Emperor 19: Deconduo - Claimed Janitor Discussion in another post | ||
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23: Yamato77 - Claimed VT going for JV We knew bill had claimed JV. Ultra-safe claim. Not much backup. 20: Vivax - Claimed Parity Cop Everybody knows why this is weak. If Vivax is scum he can pretend to aim this at *any* townie and then say "oh hey hes town". Admittedly a role that is likely to make it through, also makes it a safe fake-claim. However, a role-check on this claim would basically confirm vivax as town. 18: Shelvocke - Claimed VT going for Showtime Showtime was already claimed so safe claim, SHOWTIME ISN'T A TOWNIE ROLE ANYWAY With honorable mentions for scummy role-picks going to to: Oats (could be fishing for roles for Assassin, although extractor makes sense so unliekly), Mocsta (KP role, shot what looks like town right now, although claiming shot early seems pretty townie. Capitalist may be more scum-motivated (due to assassin) than Vig though), Restraining Order: Scum role ("denial pick" sure, but still a scum role. Didn't actually block anybody's pick afaik. Early claim is a point in his favour though. He may still have used it.) strongandbig (role check for assassin hits, blocks town detective picks, easy to use for town cred) | ||
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Bill Murray, as we have known forever, will be resolved come morning. The other people that I'm suspicious of are geript and sinani, but sinani has a green check so I'm still waiting on host info re-godfather stuff and if I wan't to make a case on geript I'm going to have to spend a lot of time re-reading day 1. For now, I think we focus on the three claims I called "sketchy". | ||
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On April 13 2013 00:57 Restraining Order wrote: Mason is a pretty townie role to pick. For sneaky rolefishing, there are better roles (rolecop, extractor, DT would be expected to be picked before him tbh) Plus, if that was the intention, oats failed pretty bad at it, I had my role publicly claimed already and M_Z never warned us about this nuking business beforehand. So that didn't work out so well then, lol. Who is new to your PM circle? @Oats does the host inform you who is added or do they just show up? | ||
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Host seems busy. I'm a bit worried about the invention getting validated today. I'm less interested in a "gravedigger's shovel" thing now that all day 1 KP are accounted for AND we know how many scum are left (3 dead, either Caller or BM have to be afaik, leaving 1 left). If there is a traitor then he will OBVIOUSLY be found among those who can't prove their role claims. I wonder if a "submit 3 names, get 3 roles in random order" kind of invention might work. Have to play with the numbers. | ||
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On April 13 2013 01:24 strongandbig wrote: so are we still trying to coordinate cop checks? Dunno, you/mocsta/kei/bill should do some sort of coordination. We have 4 chances to identify the last Non-Bill-Murray scum. Key here is that mocsta's check only works fully on basically vivax (since everybody else claimed VT which could be true). So IMO vivax should only be targeted by mocsta (since unless vivax's parity check comes back "scum" we honestly don't learn anything about his alignment). Then you/kei/bill can decide who you want to aim for (bill will be bill but you and kei could aim Shelvocke/yamato). That covers what I would call the most likely options. | ||
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On April 13 2013 01:35 geript wrote: Best plan here: S&B check Yamato Vivax check Mocsta Keirathi check S&B Mocsta check... RO or Vivax if you want. BM Shoot Vivax or S&B (pref for Vivax) Sn0 make a KP invention and hand it out to obvious town. We want a stack of KP in case we get to the endgame. Wat about shelvocke? Also mocsta's check is only guaranteed to be alignment indicative on vivax. So he gets to target vivax. | ||
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PS: M_Z is hard confirmed green unless godfather because SnB/M_Z is too many scum (assuming one is BM/Caller) and they both have roles that aren't traitor. | ||
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On April 13 2013 02:00 Keirathi wrote: Maybe I'll check Shelvocke instead. Also, it should be noted that any red check should be lynched tomorrow, no questions asked. If that person ends up not flipping scum, that means that RO is using framing and therefor is scum. Lynch him the next day. Well, red checks can also mean the checker is scum but that is fine because we know who he is as well. This game is so nigh-unloseable that I want to invent KP just to speed it up. | ||
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On April 13 2013 02:10 Keirathi wrote: KP is the "faster" option. But really, its almost always better to play it safe. Right now its either 12-1, or 11-2. Assuming scum still has an active KP role to use (which might not be the case), at most 3 people should die tonight. Which gives us 2 more lynches and nights (at least) before LYLO. No need to get hasty, especially when we apparently have so many investigation roles. Every extra KP used at this point just makes us that much more likely to lose because people are impatient. There is actually a disaster situation where BM is scum "injustice vigi" who shoots town, Sinani is scum vote rigger covered by godfather, and yamato/shelvocke are BOTH traitors. Then we lose to 2x NK, then Vote rig, then 2x NK. Buuuuut thats not likely. Still, inventing KP does prevent it TBH inventing KP seems fine to me, so long as BC lets me and I can give it to somebody who won't go crazy with it (*cough* geript *cough). I'd say there is absolutely no chance you die tonight Kei given that you can't recieve inventions and you have the weakest cop check around atm (except maybe mocsta). | ||
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You dying to green check me again doesn't further our cause at all. | ||
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Not really expecting an answer for a while tho. | ||
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What do you guys think of double-lynch tomorrow? I'm pretty sure its a good idea plus it precludes the chance of us getting vote rigged since sinani can't use both. Thoughts? Only problem is I don't think we KNOW about double lynch until the night-post (unlike the emperor version). | ||
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I'm assuming with Kurumi around you know now? | ||
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Its not an invite kinda thing. Read the role (where it specifies "random") | ||
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On April 13 2013 03:55 geript wrote: People should reread Keirathi's filter again with consideration of the flips so far. What do you think Keirathi's role is? | ||
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If Keirathi is NOT lying about his role, why would scum pick NKVD agent, a role that is strictly worse than godfather by a wide margin? It makes no sense. | ||
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On April 13 2013 04:18 geript wrote: I already | ||
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On April 13 2013 04:21 yamato77 wrote: >_> You guys are making this game more complicated than it should be. How about we lynch Mocsta, since his shot was not on scum? Its night. Lynch decisions come after all our detective checks are in. | ||
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You are digging yourself a hole here. Previously, I wasn't sure what I was doing tonight. You could maybe have shot the person who checked you, or somehow arranged a plan that didn't involve you getting checked. Now you are going to receive exactly what you requested: A 1-shot compulsive justice vig shot. Have fun with it (you will have an entire cycle to let it tick away in your hand if you want). Feel free to concede now. | ||
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If you are actually town that will be revealed decently shortly (since I assume you will use the invention almost immediately). I actually wish I hadn't mentioned that it was going to you on the off chance that you are town and scum shoots you to prevent the invention from being used, but your posting recently has precluded me from believing that possible. As I said, town geript is much better than this. | ||
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On April 13 2013 04:56 geript wrote: The only way scum shoot me is if I'm going to shoot scum. Well said. The only way you shoot yourself is if you shoot yourself. | ||
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Fair enough. I'm probably just gonna ignore this thread until then. | ||
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GG go town | ||
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On April 18 2013 23:15 Dandel Ion wrote: Well, the BM stuff was self-resolving, so I didn't care about it. This was exactly my take on it. Caller was mad in the OBS QT that we believed BM but we really didn't, we just knew that if scum didn't die he had out-and-out scumclaimed. If he had correctly claimed the town bonus for his role instead of one he made up (obviously he might not have known what the town bonus was) he may have been able to wriggle out of a lynch, but unlikely. | ||
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I also find it funny that exactly 1 person (me) submitted inventor. I meant what I said pre-game (that I didn't really want to be inventor). I ended up deciding that as 1st overall pick I kinda had to take it, but it was close for a bit. | ||
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Still never mislynched yay. | ||
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