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rather than work off some vague strategy that will fall apart in the first 5 minutes anyways. Seriously, though, TOWNIES SHOULD NOT BE AFRAID TO DIE, ESPECIALLY IF THEY CAN KILL SCUM. The best way for town to play this is simple. Fucking randomize everything. Free for all. Mafia has never been about the roles, its always been around killing the fucking scum and not leaking all of our blues. Its almost inevitable that mafia will end up with at least another KP anyways, and even if they don't, you assume they will. Operating on that principal, instead of trying to stop them from doing something they'll do anyways, we prepare enough weapons to stop them. This is what we call asymmetric information. So what if mafia get all the shooty roles, we'll find that out very quickly, and there are DOZENS of roles that let us return fire. anybody that wants to waste town's time planning instead of scumhunting is either stupid town or scum. But scum will never back another scum's plan. They will, however, back other people's plans, or maybe lightly criticize them without wanting to expose themselves too far. Someone asked me why I FOS Keirathi a while back. I'll tell you why. Look at his post history. It's all posts of "being helpful" and "discussing the format" and "lightly criticizing one of these bullshit plans." All typical red-as-fuck mafia scumbaggery. It was shit like that that made me shoot GMarshal Night 0 (whom was a mafia roleblocker that time). And don't forget that since nobody has a role yet, there's absolutely no reason for anybody to be acting like a blue, because there aren't any blues! So if they're fishy and scummy and CLEARLY NOT BLUE, what does this mean? I"ll say it. Keirathi is fucking scum. As for Yamato, I'm actually leaning towards a third-party role given some of his posts, possibly survivor. Or he's townie. But Oats is still scummy as fuck for the same reasons I give for Keirathi above. thats all ze~ | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:00 Keirathi wrote: Rofl, okay Caller. And how, exactly, is that different from what a townie would do? Are townies never helpful? Do townies not discuss the setup? Do townies not criticize bullshit plans? they do, but they also scumhunt. you haven't even tried to scumhunt. Townies especially don't just pontificate about the setup and try to "win arguments" like your post history shows. due to laziness i'm would rather not bother dissecting it on a case by case basis for the proles, but i will if i have to. | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:22 Keirathi wrote: You are right about one thing in this paragraph. I haven't been scumhunting (except for calling rayn out a bit). But, policy talk is the easiest thing in the world for mafia to participate in. Hell, they don't even have to have opinions. But really, over half of the thread hasn't been scumhunting, so why me and not, say, Palmar? deconduo? VE? I can keep listing people, but this conversation is pointless. Where have been trying to "win arguments" though? Because that is the complete opposite of what I have been doing. I've been trying to make my opinion heard, but I haven't been forcing my opinion anywhere. So yea, you're case basically boils down to "he's being too nice". Okay then. That bolded sentence is the definition of textbook mafia early play. The rest of your argument isn't even one, you basically admit all my points are right, you ad hominem a few, and you ask what about x, y, and z. unfortunately, x, y, and z haven't done all the things you've done together. get'em, etc. | ||
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About the 'Force VTs to claim what they tried to take': I'm pretty meh about that idea, because it is extremely hard to track. I mean, lets say there's a scum in the 6th draft position. He picks, say, inventor and gets it. Then he says that he tried to pick Inventor and got VT. Now we almost HAVE to have a Role Cop check him to see if he's lying. If he's not, then we still have 6 people who could possibly be inventor. wifom Or lets take it a step deeper: scum in the 7th spot tries to take CPR Doc, and doesn't get it. His buddy in the 12th spot tries to take Inventor and gets it. Scum in 7th spot tells the thread that he tried to take Inventor and didn't get it. We have a rolecop check him and he is in fact vanilla. What the hell do we do in this situation? more wifom I just don't see any actual benefit to it, when it comes down to actually playing the game, outside from some theoretical (and completely obscure) information. And lots of misdirection opportunities for scum. Having used wifom to prove your point, you then proceed to say that this gets nothing done (which was obvious to virtually every other person) and then almost as if you realized you should make it clear that you are anti-scum, use scum as one would use the word nazi to discredit the argument while simultaneously making it appear that you are not scum as a result of pointing this out. could go through the rest, but it gets worse. I was responding to geripts plan to full pod out the game. IE: people in slots 1-4 only pick roles A, B, C, or D. Players in slots 5-6 only pick roles from E, F, G, or H. That's boring to me. I'm fine with players being given first picks (in theory) if they are going to use them to deny scum roles. If they're just going to pick whatever they feel like, then I disagree. First ambivalence (as long as it helps the town typical bullshit) followed by bullshit reason. you've spent the entire time just bashing terrible ideas and making you look good by comparison. you honestly don't seem to want anything to get done. you play both sides against each other and try to smell like a rose. Well, I'm allergic to roses. To me, they smell like scum. | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:52 Keirathi wrote: @Caller: You missed the point. You called me scum for TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. Then I say I wasn't trying to win arguments, I was just making my opinions known, and you call me scum for NOT TRYING TO WIN ARGUMENTS. How can I be scum for both of those? because it was a bloody trick, the very fact that you jumped on the intentionally shitty argument that I laid while simultaneously ignoring or ad homineming the far more damning points makes it obvious that you're not town, you're just a mafia trying to poke holes in an argument you think has no weight because its not even day 1 yet. Well, it has weight. Not as heavy as Palmar, but still. An actual mafia tactic is to win points in debates by taking the right side or by simply participating. At the same time, mafia do not want to seem closed minded so they appeal to both sides of an argument, or spread themselves out onto both sides of an argument, without trying to piss anybody off. Which apparently, I have accomplished. | ||
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On April 06 2013 03:57 Keirathi wrote: Oh, so it was all a brilliantly planned trap? Got it. Carry on. wasn't very brilliant or planned but it suits my purposes. | ||
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I threw the vote on artanis because mafia love bandwagons. Now that we've gotten one, it seems pretty obvious to me that people we should be looking for are on the lower parts of the bandwagon list. But not the last one. Given that, who we we have? Oatsmaster ##Vote: Artanis As a rule I usually try to lynch the 3rd or 4th person on the bandwagon. Since I was the 3rd person on the bandwagon, that leaves Monsieur Oatsmaster as a rather fishy hanger-on to the bandwagon. I already made a case on why I wanted to lynch him, but I don't see him as a threat right now. Still keep dis in mind plox. Meapak_Ziphh Vote: Artanis[XP] Meapak_Ziphh? Who knows. I don't care enough right now to find out. deconduo ##Vote: Shelvocke Null tell. Vivax ##Vote Sno_Man Null tell. Artanis[Xp] ##Vote: Shelvocke I don't really know what Artanis is due to lack of effort, but this follow-on vote to deconduo is pretty scummy. Palmar ##Vote Artanis[Xp] :| Shelvocke ##Vote Artanis[Xp] ah, the typical OMGUS. Normally could be a townie war, except that this is a bandwagon. Very Scummy. Keirathi ##Unvote Hmm. You want to make my life interesting, do you? 8 times out of 10 that I see this, it is a mafia trying to get town cred for not voting for obvious day 1 townie lynch. Vewy Intewesting. ObviousOne ##Vote Artanis[XP] Ah, and we get to the core of the matter. This guy has done nothing but throw ambivalency around. Yet now he's so sure that he will hop-on the bandwagonn. If you were really not sure about this and you were town, you'd be like "HANG ONS GUYS I THINKS HE MIGHT BE OKAY" and then watch helplessly as the bandwagon gains infinite momentum and lynches innocent townie #1. But nope, instead you're like "but wait guys i read his meta and came out with some random conclusions that don't actually mean anything because meta is stupid especially among players that have played this game more than three days." I actually went ahead and read his filter for those games, and I think that your conclusions are bullshit that can easily be construed as whatever you want.. Given that he explicitly stated that as mafia he would be "next time" more involved, but that he simply got lost due to large amount of posts, do you expect any credence that his behaving similar to the previous game is any true indication of his alignment this game? No. You shouldn't. And it's a dumb reason for going on a dumb bandwagon, but it makes you look nice! VOTE THIS GUY. yamato77 ##Vote Artanis I'm fairly satisfied that yamato is town as it stands. I'll still jump on him in a heartbeat but I don't think he's mafia. Restraining Order ##Vote: Artanis Strangely enough, I think RO is town. Are you gonna get a reason for it? Nope. | ||
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do i have nukes? ^_^ who knows | ||
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except girls. I check those very carefully. Never can be too safe. But seriously. We lynch ObviousOne. Stop. We lynch OO not because of any pretenses. We lynch him because he is mafia. Is Artanis mafia? Who knows. I don't care right now. | ||
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caller out~ | ||
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goznaw got shot to me logical explanation is simple: artanis is a day vig and from the looks of things is going to be lynched, but he wanted to use his power before he died. That's it. artanis claims before we lynch him. that's all that needs to be done. Artanis, claim. | ||
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ro, mafia dont need a role cop they can just be like "sometownie GREEN" for free assassin kills. artanis, i dont understand what your words mean. try english. also claim. You're going to die at this rate to a lynch. Just claim. That's the only way we might let you go. | ||
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On April 08 2013 22:56 Palmar wrote: Caller knows what's up. Caller do you have nukes? Can you just force everyone to claim? with or without nukes i can force people to claim artanis this is your last chance to claim, if you don't claim in the next, lets say 6 hours, even if you claim afterwards we're still lynching you. | ||
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