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marvellosity
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On March 28 2013 23:36 Oatsmaster wrote: Marv, given what Cora and Keir have said about masons, why is keir scum and cora town? I would think its the other way around if in fact they were not both town. Those were my reads before the stuff at the end of Day 1 went down, like Keirathi's claim, Nisani's flip, etc. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 28 2013 23:45 Oatsmaster wrote: Would you be in favor of lynching Palmar tmr? At the moment no, I think there are better targets. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 28 2013 23:53 Oatsmaster wrote: I was kidding. Marv are you talking about smurf? As much as it pains me, at the moment I like Dandel's two targets best. I need to check but as I remember s&b was a non-entity leading up to lynch-time, even though he was present. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 00:00 Oatsmaster wrote: How long are you willing to give Palmar before you want to kill him with fire? What is your current read on Hapa especially after the lynch. I think Hapa looks fine. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 00:39 Hapahauli wrote: Ohhhh nevermind. It's awkwardly worded, but he's saying that he hasn't played with early Day1 Dandel The issue being, of course, that he's never played with Dandel right from the get go, but attempted to make a meta case based on this period of time without checking this phase of the game in Dandel's town games. In other words he's making a meta case on Dandel's opening play, having never seen Dandel's opening play as town. It's at the very best extremely sloppy. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 00:45 prplhz wrote: Just wanna bump in and say that I don't really find InsertSmurfHere's defense of me weird. The various arguments against him have been how he was right when nobody else was (I remember that Palmar said that wherebugsgo was scum in some game just for that reason and then wherebugsgo put it in his signature because wherebugsgo was actually town). There's also the argument that he was very adamant in his defense of me at a relatively early point but if you look at this post it looks like he takes a certain pride in being able to discern my alignment (something I don't think anybody other than yamato77 and marvellosity would ever do). Finally I'd like to point out that just about everything he said about me was, at least in my opinion, perfectly true. He wasn't just bullshitting, he was actually interpreting my posts really well and squeezed every little thing out of them that he could while not taking anything too far. Good analysis in my opinion. Would not lynch. Correct/good analysis is super-fucking easy as mafia, sweetie. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 00:48 prplhz wrote: This case on InsertSmurfHere is a stretch and everybody should look elsewhere. @marvellosity What do you make of InsertSmurfHere's reluctance to drop his suspicions of two claimed masons? Holding judgement until it's expanded upon. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 00:48 marvellosity wrote: Correct/good analysis is super-fucking easy as mafia, sweetie. To expand on this, prplhz, remember Rock Band? Go read this post. There's a tonne of good analysis in here, on you, on me, on various other things in the game. Of course, Hiro was mafia. | ||
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marvellosity
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It's not the fact that he is potentially correct with the analysis, nor is it about whether the analysis in question is good. You're misrepresenting/not getting what people are getting at with this. Considering the post is about you, you should ask yourself why *you* like it, but so many other players seem to have a problem with it. That's my little thought exercise for you ^_^ | ||
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On March 29 2013 01:01 prplhz wrote: Because the only person who has read as much into my posts as InsertSmurfHere is me. I don't care that he was right when no one else was as long as he was right for the right reasons. Would you really have felt better about InsertSmurfHere if he had just jumped on me after Haparathi and Keihauli did? You said yourself that you think I pride myself on reading you, correct? I was interested in seeing how the prplhz case that Hapa and Kei threw together would pan out, and indeed how I read that entire portion of the game was the main reason I brought up Keirathi as a scumread towards the end of Day 1. To recap how *I* felt about you, I was extremely unsure of your alignment during the phase of the game that Hapa & Kei were attacking you, and I only felt better about you not being mafia in the second half of day 2 when you came back to the thread and actually conversed reasonably extensively with people. Therefore I read Smurf's defence of you as way too over-committed when my own read on you is so shakey. That's *my* perspective. | ||
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marvellosity
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 01:25 Hapahauli wrote: The key problem with Yamato's defense is that him defending you as if he was 100% certain makes very little sense with a town mentality. Townies have no information. They are paranoid. They doubt. They are unsure. Stepping up and defending someone in the circumstances that Yamato did (early in the game, prplhz having very little filter) goes against a traditional townie mindset. If Yamato had approached the situation saying he was "leaning town" on prplhz, that would make much more sense to me. Instead, he didn't have a shred of doubt that you were town due to meta points with extremely limited in-game context. Honestly, if this was just an isolated thing in an otherwise spammy/townie filter, I think is defense of you is independently excusable. However, this is yet another item on the list of scummy things that Yamato has done this game. Right. I just went and browsed Smurf's filter, and found 15 distinct posts (maybe I missed a couple) which were solely about defending prplhz, often utilising quotes and examples from previous games. Below I give the quotes/reasons where Smurf talks about his main scumread for most of the day: On March 27 2013 16:09 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Anyway, I'm going to bed. When I wake up tomorrow, I'm going to figure out who out of the people I suspect is actually the best lynch. I will say, I like the Nisani case. I said it before, dude is just lurking while we argue about everyone else. On March 28 2013 03:28 InsertSmurfHere wrote: So Hapa, what do you think about Nisani? I have about an hour, so let's make this quick. On March 28 2013 03:58 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Also, you're about the only one here that I feel I can convince on Nisani that isn't already on the idea. Oats isn't going to listen to me. Marv is pursuing Nisani. Prplhz has expressed interest. Why not lynch Nisani? What makes you think he's town? On March 28 2013 04:07 InsertSmurfHere wrote: Sinani is in my lurker-null category. But he's less of a good lynch than Nisani, simply because he came in with a case pushing Nisani when you were koo-koo for prpl-puffs. Coulda been really easy to just sheep you and start assailing me/prplhz at that time, but he didn't. As far as I can see, Nisani is his absolute #1 candidate because he is "lurking" and he "likes the case" The effort he put into thinking about his primary scumread is disproportionately small when we compare the effort he put in to defending prplhz, when a bunch of other good players (Hapa, Kei, me) were quite unsure of his alignment (on my part) or thought he was mafia (on hapa/Kei's part) | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 01:37 Hapahauli wrote: You 'b repeating all my arguments 'n jazz marv. You're all rehashing mine actually: On March 28 2013 01:50 marvellosity wrote: Much of the case you have against OO revolves around bad play but not necessarily scummy play. I also talked before about how I viewed his meta, so I won't rehash that. I don't necessarily see the problem with bringing up multiple targets. I wish he'd come back to the thread though. Smurf for the Dandel town-game stuff, and a rather overactive defence of prplhz. Has prplhz really played (or by then had played) a sufficiently townie game for Smurf to defend him so strongly? In addition that blue snipe comment is really off. Reminds me of a comment syllo made in Personality obsQT: + Show Spoiler + syllogism posted 03-17-2013 08:34 AM ET (US) What Foolishness says is very useful whether his reads are correct or not. I mafia hunt by searching for posts that in some way "feel" off (it's often difficult to convincingly describe why they are off). Then I look at the rest of the filter to see if there's evidence reinforcing that idea or pointing the other way. Posts can also be suspicious because I know that the person in question isn't likely to actually believe that; this is easier if it's someone who I know well and even easier if it's someone who thinks like me. I'm rarely confident in someone being mafia unless I can point to something specific. Contradictions, lack of in-thread mafia hunting and wrong reads can be evidence of someone being mafia, but if that's all I have, it feels basically a coinflip at best for me. I agree the Planting the Seed thing is somewhat weird too, I just don't think it's as weird as the blue snipe comment. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 01:43 Hapahauli wrote: w/e stupid argument Talk to me about someone other than Yamato. You said SnB is your other guy. What's scummy about him behaviorally? Anyone else you have an eye on? I had s&b as null because there was one thing I liked - his decent activity. There are three things I dislike about his play, the third being his apathy towards the lynch. The other two are: 1) his repeated, and I mean oft-repeated, insistence that prplhz was spamming up the game with contentless posts in literally the first 4 posts of the game. At first I thought he was just being silly, but the fact he stuck to it when it was so patently ridiculous makes me think of it as a mafia sticking to his guns stupidly. 2) his attack on Dandel for being spammy. It served absolutely no purpose whatsoever. It was lecturing for "pro-town" purposes while doing absolutely jack for town. It was really out of place and unnecessary. Does anyone really feel Dandel is preventing them from reading the game properly? I don't think so. | ||
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marvellosity
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Palmar looks bad for his apathy towards the lynch. It's something else I'd have to check, but I don't actually recall a single reason he gave for thinking sinani was mafia while Nisani was town. They were just reasonless reads pulled out of thin air. Plus I have townreads on you & Acro which makes me think worse of him automatically. I need to re-look at reyn/prplhz/OO I guess, but they're all getting more useful as the game goes on, and not less useful, so I don't know where that will take me. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 02:00 Hapahauli wrote: How does a town-read on Acro have anything to do with Sinani? Acro was one of the guys championing the Nisani lynch. Also... Palmar. You've played with him more than most, so why is he scummy rather than lazy? He was thinking incredibly similarly to me around the deadline, which makes me lean town on him. Also I don't get the sense that he's faking contribution or trying to appease the town, which is more normal with his scum-games. It has nothing to do with sinani, that's not what I said. And I just said why I find him suspicious. I disagree with your interpretation. He just didn't care. He decided to question Kei on his mason mechanics at a really weird time. I got incensed with it, and On March 28 2013 06:16 Palmar wrote: chill out dude we'll just lynch one of the nisinanis who gives a shit which we lynch right? You gave actual reasons over a sustained period of time why you wanted to lynch sinani. Can you say the same about Palmar? I actually characterise your play and his play around the lynch as diametrically opposite. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 02:03 Hapahauli wrote: Also SnB is kinda in a weird boat for me. Generally his scum-play is more constructed, and his town play is a lot more random and spammy. In this game, he's kinda in the middle. yes, I thought so during the first Day or 2 of Chrono as well (I was using literally that metric) and I was proved wrong. Of course that's mostly because his activity dropped off a cliff in that game past a certain point. | ||
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marvellosity
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On March 29 2013 02:10 Hapahauli wrote: Can you talk about your town-read on Acro a bit? I'm giving him some activity points no doubt, but I haven't read any of his scumgames. I played mafia with him in Personality and he was very measured throughout. He's both more active here and has better thought out points. Most of all, though, he had what I view as a really really stupid, sustained argument whenever it was on Day 1, which was the very opposite of measured. Frankly I think he was being silly, and when he's silly (e.g. Adam is 3P in Duel, his relentless attack on me in MTG 2) he's more likely to be town. There wasn't one occasion like that argument in Personality. | ||
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