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On March 23 2013 01:34 Fishgle wrote: Here's my thoughts. Rayn and Raven voted for someone on very little evidence, almost immediately. Kinda trigger-happy. Nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar because he's was trying to avoid saying anything. That makes sense. Do you somehow know that nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar "because he's was trying to avoid saying anything"? Because that was not the impression i got from his FoS. But anyway, Krafla hasn't posted yet and it's usually the silent ones that are the killers. FOS nobodywonder or Frorgon has done nearly as little as Krafla. Why single out just Krafla? @Rayn, getting mafia is important, but you should realize that you get no vote if you're dead. Stop giving people reasons to vote for you. you're being needlessly aggressive and desperately trying to throw any blame off himself. But maybe you're just a cop. How exactly i'm giving people reasons to vote for me? Again, being aggressive =/= mafia. And wtf is that cop comment? That goes for the rest of you, too. The people we should be interrogating are: Frogon, virtu, Krafla, and myself. Let's not give people a free pass. Why are you leaving nobodywonder out of this list? And why is virtu there? And what is the purpose of the list in the first place? Everyone should be interrogated, noone less than others. | ||
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Arctic Daishi agreed on a vote because "other people suspected Kafla and that made him suspicious" which does not make sense. virtu says that what i have done is the only thing he finds suspicious (and later on labeled it as a reaction test). Makes sense from what i can tell. You are right about the GF thing. It's odd and i don't see how it helps because it's just a speculation. | ||
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On March 23 2013 02:31 Fishgle wrote: yea you're right. seems like more of a joke post now that I read it again. you're right. my bad. replace krafla with "all the lurkers" but being aggressive doesn't mean you're not mafia either. You're drawing tons of attention to yourself and creating a scene. I understand that the whole point of mafia is to actively figure out who the scum are, but you're pushing everyone's buttons, which most people won't like. And it might make you a target. I about forgot nobodywonder. And yea, I agree. Everyone should be interrogated equally, that was my point, and why I wrote the list. Krafla, frogron, and nobodywonder haven't been questioned at all yet. And whoever else I may have missed. What did you actually say with your post? "nobodywonder made a joke (which i personally think was not a joke, i think he found out the same thing in JarJar's post i did). raynpelikoneet may or may not be mafia. People should ask questions from each other and try to figure out who is mafia." Seems like you are attempting to contribute without actually contributing. | ||
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On March 23 2013 01:34 Fishgle wrote: Here's my thoughts. Rayn and Raven voted for someone on very little evidence, almost immediately. Kinda trigger-happy. Nobodywonder FOS'd JarJar because he's was trying to avoid saying anything. That makes sense. But anyway, Krafla hasn't posted yet and it's usually the silent ones that are the killers. FOS @Rayn, getting mafia is important, but you should realize that you get no vote if you're dead. Stop giving people reasons to vote for you. you're being needlessly aggressive and desperately trying to throw any blame off himself. But maybe you're just a cop. That goes for the rest of you, too. The people we should be interrogating are: Frogon, virtu, Krafla, and myself. Let's not give people a free pass. | ||
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What do you think of Frorgon's case on virtu, and his post about JarJar after that? | ||
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On March 23 2013 06:08 nobodywonder wrote: I think of things, what do you think on these things too? Well case on virtu is valid, virtu if town has terrible play, honestly I kind of want to curse virtu's play. hasn't done stuff besides defending and saying crazy stuff @Virtu are you town? haha at this pt, at least do a good job of pretending to be town. I don't think the case is valid at all. Frorgon is saying virtu is suspicious because he called out my aggressive behaviour. virtu later said it was to look for reactions from me. It's completely another thing if Frorgon believes his explanation or not, but the case presented this way has no merit because it's based on false pretenses. I also fail to see how virtu is being "overly defensive". He just called out Rainbow's bad comparsion of behaviour, i wouldn't label that as "overly defensive". idk about the post about Jar Jar. seems somewhat like a soft defense of Raven, but honestly I can't read too much into it right now. need some more input from frogron, raven and jarjar I don't understand why Frorgon thinks Raven and JarJar are both scum given what Raven said. First of all, you can't base JarJar's alignment on what Raven says about him. It only gives us clues about Raven's alignment. It's not uncommon for mafia to soft/hard defend townies to make them look worse in case the mafia guy flips. Second of all, do not make connection cases pre-flip, that's just dumb. So in my eyes Frorgon looks worse. | ||
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Why are you ignoring the fact that i called Frorgon out right after he made his post about you and JarJar? You should really read the whole thread and not only the parts that fit into your cases / suspicions. | ||
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On March 23 2013 07:35 TheRavensName wrote: Is this what your refering to each other? This is hardly calling him out. Your disagreeing with his post and then just walking away from it, instead of asking him why does he think we are covering each other when Jarjar has called me suspicious. Isn't that exactly what i am asking there? | ||
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On March 23 2013 07:52 TheRavensName wrote: But there is no follow up by you for the purpose of trying to get an answer out of him would be my point. But that's not true at all. I can't make Frorgon post when i want him to. It was a simple question i assumed he would answer the next time he posts. Which he did. I didn't buy his answer as i explained a couple of posts ago. And i think he is scummy. I'm not giving anyone a free pass but it definitely does not help i confront Frorgon or anyone about the same things they have not been able to answer to yet. That kinda stuff will only shit up the thread and does not help at all. So I'm nervous about accusing Ray even though he just seems to be swapping around randomly and changing his mind every 5 seconds on who he is convinced is scum.. Are you intentionally trying to make me look bad? The bolded part is a straight out lie. I have already explained i wanted to hear more from JarJar regarding his comment and about my vote on him. I am not swapping targets at all. I think you have a good chance of being mafia for reasons i have stated before and for trying to make me look bad for reasons which don't hold water. I think Frorgon is suspicious for reasons i have stated a couple of posts ago. Another person of interest for me is Fishgle whose post i think was pretty bad. Krafla has yet to post anything. So what should i do? Do you think me asking questions from people is "swapping targets"? Should i just be dead set on someone, tunnel them and ignore everything other said in thread? That's what you think? | ||
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Now it seems like Raven and ray are not too concerned with virtu's disdain for actual scumhunting. I will add ray that you seem to be fine with virtu posting to look for reactions, but in my case it's unacceptable, even though when it was done earlier in the game with less to go on. I don't really see a connection between the two these days either. So you should at least be consistent with your thoughts on that matter. Here's what i find different in your / virtu's reaction test: virtu said he was looking for my reactions. He did get a reaction from me. After that he said he agreed with me and his question to me was a reaction test. If virtu was mafia, why would he say it was a reaction test in the first place when he doesn't have to? He could just explain he noticed the same thing about me other people did and he is okay with my explanation and understands me better. There is no reason for him to lie "oh, it was a reaction test" when he can easily get away from the argument without lying. Don't get me wrong, this in no way proves virtu is definitely town. I'm just inclined to think this is more likely to be townie behaviour than mafia. The thing about your reaction test i don't understand is this. If you do reaction tests, you should have some kinda purpose behind this. If you think people you are testing are mafia, you should already have some kind of a clue what you expect them to answer. I don't see what you were trying to achieve with your comment. What is it that you were trying to get out from JarJar & Raven? And why do that with a comment that doesn't make sense in the first place? | ||
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Do you have anything to comment on virtu's defence on his case? What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle? nobodywonder: Why do you think the case on virtu is valid? You asked my thoughts on it, i posted them and you didn't comment on it any more. What are your thoughts on Frorgon and Fishgle? Frorgon: You said this: I'd get a gist about Raven based on his response and I think I was fairly successful in that. Comparing it to the previous game I'd say as of now he leans town for me. Can you explain a bit better your town read on Raven? How exactly does his behaviour in last game compared to this one comes up as town? Also, what do you think of Fishgle? Raven: What do you think of Fishgle atm? | ||
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I'm still keeping my vote on Raven. He's voting me for trying to figure out stuff (lol), and for changing my mind every 5 seconds (lie). He's also adding more fuel on me by saying i didn't confront Frorgon (which i did) and when i explained that he said i lack the conclusion (lie). Other than that he has done very litte. His other suspect is Frorgon but he doesn't seem to want to figure out where Frorgon's head is at. He says Frorgon is suspicious but he doesn't want to investigate in that matter further. Every other thing he has commented is "JarJar made a suspicious post but i don't think he is that suspicious". His play makes no sense from town point of view. | ||
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virtu said his suspicion on me was a reaction test later on. Do you not believe him? | ||
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What's bothering me the most at the moment that the good activity level we had early on in the game has dropped to basically zero. virtu disappeared last night. Fishgle made a post about what we should do and then he went back to lurk mode after i called him out for his post. He isn't even following his own advice!! Krafla is MIA. nobodywonder disappeared when we had some good discussion on last night. JarJarDrinks posted his case on you and stopped doing anything after that. It's basically we four here discussing the same topics over and over again. Again, i would really recommend you to not make connection cases pre-flip. You can't know for sure what anyone will flip unless you are mafia. Townies can defend mafiosi, it's not uncommon at all, and vice versa. After someone flips you need to look for who accused/defended them and for what reasons. Being wrong in itself is not scummy. Being wrong for wrong reasons (or for reasons that do not make sense) however is (like i feel that's the case with Raven here). | ||
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The thing about your reaction test i don't understand is this. If you do reaction tests, you should have some kinda purpose behind this. If you think people you are testing are mafia, you should already have some kind of a clue what you expect them to answer. I don't see what you were trying to achieve with your comment. What is it that you were trying to get out from JarJar & Raven? And why do that with a comment that doesn't make sense in the first place? | ||
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