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On March 20 2013 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote: DP: Zarepath is NOT always lynchbait, which is exactly why I am ever more certain he is scum. I can't be sure about the others. And the town reads aren't weak at all. Notice how the other players that I've played with before ALSO haven't voted for me? VE/BH/Geript/Vivax/etc? As to whether or not I'm worried, you can be the judge of that. Cosmic to answer your questions: No, I'll speak however I want. I posted a sort-of-defense to kita right after he first accused me and we had a little back-and-forth. If need be later on or tomorrow I'll go more in depth but I don't see the need right now. As far as giving people more fuel, where are those good intentioned townies to push their oh-so-towny cases against me?
They voted and fucked off with all the scum that's where.
WTF kind of response is this?!?!? I can be the judge of whether you are worried or not? why the deliberate ambiguity? That rubs me the wrong way.
You responded in a non townie way to that question. Townies would be suspicious as anything about town reads ripped from thin air. I can assure you.
I am pretty confident this lynch is the right one.
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On March 20 2013 14:01 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 14:14 Oatsmaster wrote: VOTE COUNT! Day 2
ThePeashooter (0): Wade Fell, TranceStorm
goodkarma (1): Kenpachi
Wade Fell (0): Vivax, geript, VisceraEyes Mr. Wiggles (12): zarepath, goodkarma, VisceraEyes, WaveofShadow
zarepath (6): Vivax
WaveofShadow (0):: glurio, kitaman27, ThePeashooter, DarthPunk, zarepath, Mocsta , Mr. Wiggles
VisceraEyes (0): cosmicomics, DoYouHas
Voting is compulsory
err. why are all the vote totals fucked up?
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On March 20 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 13:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 13:24 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 13:18 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 13:10 Mocsta wrote:SciberbiaI dont want this request below to be lost. On March 20 2013 11:59 sciberbia wrote: Hi all. I plan to be here for the next several hours.
I agree with the general sentiment that lynching either BH or VE is dumb today as a matter of general strategy. here is no really strong evidence that either of them is scum. I don't think they should be lynch candidates. On March 20 2013 12:55 Mocsta wrote: Sci..
the above is interesting.. so far the only case I noticed on VE is from DarthPunk. Henceforth, the corollary is that the DP case on VE is rubbish (i..e not really strong)
Lets get context here: DP is a strong player.. after all DP does have the highest win ratio on the TL Database. And has had scum and town games that have all resulted in the same outcome.. victory
With that context: Do you expect more substance from a town DP? If the case is "not strong' as you suggest, what impact does this have on your DP read?
In addition: please add in the context that DP de-lurked specifically to bandwagon WoS. What is your DP read pl0x I think you'll find that before I bandwagoned WOS taht I posted a question to coag. and that that question was from about 10 pages back in the thread. So If you were really paying attention you would realise that I had just come back and started to read things. So in essence. NO. I did not 'delurk' to bandwagon WoS. I came back. read the thread. read kita's case which i feel to be very strong, and then voted for WoS based on that. What are you trying to say here? that you think I am scum? if you are how about YOU in fact say it rather than try and prompt others into saying it for you. Nice interjection DP. Curious is it not? I had a premonition that you wanted to know Sciberbia read on you? I thought I was doing you a favour dear. WTF are you talking about? I don't care what people's reads on me are unless I am about to get mislynched. Interesting choice of words. Personally, its a favourite move of mine to throw in the word 'mislynch" when scum. Its a soft-town claim as I am sure you are aware. In fact, I used the word in hydra when under the pump Lets be fair: Yes, town can say it.. but.. truth be told. I havent seen a town say it until they under genuine pressure of lynch.. And well, you are simply not in that position are you?. so it is fascinating that you choose to overreact and beat this drum so hard so early.
Now in case you are struggling to piece together my motives. Let me be transparent. I am still trying to ascertain whether this game you can indeed get mislynched.So when I am asking others for opinions on YOU.. I think its bullshit to over-react and cut in like you did. now my questions to sciberbia are tainted all because of your 'choice of actions' and impatience. I am not trying to elicit stances for funsies. Everything has a purpose. And so far.. I got way more than I expected... WAY MORE.
As for the criteria you raised earlier. + Show Spoiler + OK, you voted for WoS post-kita case, and pre-WoS limp "permission" post which you decided to call out. Do you want a pat on the back for making the follow up?
& You can also continue to over-react over my choice of word in "de-lurk" which perhaps can be rephrased as decided to make your first post in essentially one hour.
As for your spiel about calling scum directly instead of "prompting". Trust me, when I want to call you scum. I shall... and if others want to call you scum, it wont be because *I* gave them permission to either.
Actually look at this post. He says he isn;t calling me scum. But he is colouring my quotes in red, look at how is doingg everything EXCEPT stating I am scum. and then he says this in the EXACT POST with RED QUOTES
On March 20 2013 13:51 Mocsta wrote: I am still trying to ascertain whether this game you can indeed get mislynched.
he states he doesn't know if I am scum or not, which is contrary to every other thing in the exact same post. He is being wishy-washy. This doesn't add up at all.
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On March 20 2013 14:06 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 14:02 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 13:56 WaveofShadow wrote: DP: Zarepath is NOT always lynchbait, which is exactly why I am ever more certain he is scum. I can't be sure about the others. And the town reads aren't weak at all. Notice how the other players that I've played with before ALSO haven't voted for me? VE/BH/Geript/Vivax/etc? As to whether or not I'm worried, you can be the judge of that. Cosmic to answer your questions: No, I'll speak however I want. I posted a sort-of-defense to kita right after he first accused me and we had a little back-and-forth. If need be later on or tomorrow I'll go more in depth but I don't see the need right now. As far as giving people more fuel, where are those good intentioned townies to push their oh-so-towny cases against me?
They voted and fucked off with all the scum that's where.
WTF kind of response is this?!?!? I can be the judge of whether you are worried or not? why the deliberate ambiguity? That rubs me the wrong way. You responded in a non townie way to that question. Townies would be suspicious as anything about town reads ripped from thin air. I can assure you. I am pretty confident this lynch is the right one. You'd be pretty wrong. I don't care what rubs you the wrong way. It's up to you whether or not you believe the townread Mocsta is giving based on my response to the cases against me, and whether you think that makes me worried based on that and earlier posts I've made. Now the only people who gave town reads were Coag and Mocsta, and I already mentioned that I understood your point but disagreed with it. As for the others, I'm not entirely sure they're all town but at the very least they all know my meta and haven't voted me whether they've said why or not.
OK let me try this another way. Objectively. How strong do you believe kita's case on you to be?
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On March 20 2013 14:10 Mocsta wrote: For you to react this way, you must think that Sciberbia is easily influenced.
(1) What is your alignment position on Sciberbia?
WTF are you talking about? I have never played with sciberbia and have only read Yet another normal mini mafia as the entirety of my knowledge on him. How on god's earth do you think I think he is easily influenced is beyond me and also irrelevant. I do not believe anyone to be influenced more or less easily. I have an issue with the way you were approaching 'Scum-hunting' because, to me, the way you approached it is reflective of mafia mentality. Trying to lead someone to a conclusion rather than find and objectively review evidence is not a townie thought process.
I think sciberbia is town. I am not 100% sure. I am not even 90% sure. But sciberbia is a town read right now.
I did the same thing with Geript and Layabout, and Geipt came back with a town-ish read..
(2) Why are you so worried that Sciberbia would find you scummy? - Enough to interject at the least.
I wasn't worried about what anyone thought of me. I was worried because your process screams scum to me. This isn;t about sciberbia. This was about you. and the way your leading questions make no sense for town.
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On March 20 2013 14:10 Mocsta wrote: For you to react this way, you must think that Sciberbia is easily influenced.
(1) What is your alignment position on Sciberbia?
WTF are you talking about? I have never played with sciberbia and have only read Yet another normal mini mafia as the entirety of my knowledge on him. How on god's earth do you think I think he is easily influenced is beyond me and also irrelevant. I do not believe anyone to be influenced more or less easily. I have an issue with the way you were approaching 'Scum-hunting' because, to me, the way you approached it is reflective of mafia mentality. Trying to lead someone to a conclusion rather than find and objectively review evidence is not a townie thought process.
I think sciberbia is town. I am not 100% sure. I am not even 90% sure. But sciberbia is a town read right now.
On March 20 2013 14:10 Mocsta wrote: I did the same thing with Geript and Layabout, and Geipt came back with a town-ish read..
(2) Why are you so worried that Sciberbia would find you scummy? - Enough to interject at the least.
I wasn't worried about what anyone thought of me. I was worried because your process screams scum to me. This isn;t about sciberbia. This was about you. and the way your leading questions make no sense for town.
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On March 20 2013 14:30 Mocsta wrote: DP,
This can be put to rest pretty easily. I apologise for jumping the gun and making thread comments without reading even 1/4 of Day 1. Thats pure laziness on my behalf, and there is no excuse for it.
Fact is, i think (and still think) you over reacted to my initial question on Sciberbia. Yes, it was suggestive, but in no way was it going to force a conclusion from him. And whether you care or not, the question was actually to gain a better understanding of sciberbia, not you.
Though I admit I was lazy in (not) reading the thread, I am still happy we went through this dance, because now I have a good town read on you.
As an aside: Ironically, you are doing the same thing you accuse me of doing. You dont call me out as scum; but say, my actions exhibit mafia mentality.
That's me calling you scummy buddy.
The question is why were you asking suggestive questions at all? Rather than reading the thread you are saying you haven't read or asking questions that generate real evidence and not evidence that is biased by the very nature of those questions?
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On March 20 2013 14:34 WaveofShadow wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 08:54 kitaman27 wrote:Finally have some spare time. I'll respond to a couple relavent issues, but first I wanted to get out a post on one of my strongest scum reads. I may have a second post about another player I'm suspicious of, depending on how much time I have. WaveofShadowThe first player I'd like to bring up is WaveofShadow. Whenever I try to look at a player, the most important thing to look at in my opinion is motive. During the first few cycles of a game, it can be quite difficult to differentiate a townie post and a mafia post. The easiest way to tell the difference is to ask yourself, what is a player trying to accomplish with these posts and what does this player care most about. When I read through the filter of Wave, I can't help but notice that he is much more willing to play through others, than to put himself out there. On numerous occasions, we can see him prodding other players with questions, but there has been very little follow through. He questions other players reads, but fails to come to significant conclusions. Wave has approached the first two cycles in a way that shows me that he has little interest in being the guy that gets a player lynched. He is more interested in selecting a bandwagon based on the arguments of other players. In his support for the day one lynch, he posts the following: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: I CAN, however get behind a vote on DP. I support VE's case though I do not necessarily support his town circle; call that scummy if you wish but having never seen one in a game before I have no idea of their risks or benefits and it just seems manipulative to me.
Vote: Darthpunk This is the first time in the game he actually mentions Darthpunk. He states in a single line that he supports VE's case, yet provides no reasoning for why he agrees. Notice how defensive he gets with his vote. In reference to his disapproval of VE's circle he states "Call that scummy if you wish." At a point where he has selected his preferred lynch candidate, he is still spending more time discussing VE's completely irrelevant circle. For the sake of keeping this post legible, I've edited out the previous part of this quote, but he spends a whole paragraph discussing the deal with yamato. Why is it that he is spending more time discussing events not relevant to his scumread, than the actual vote itself? It would be one thing if VE's case was so convincing that he had nothing to add. However, when I ask myself, does he care about this lynch, I come to the conclusion that he does not. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 12:00 WaveofShadow wrote: I can also see it isn't likely that DarthPunk is goin' down but I want a chance to re-read before changing anything. I remember thinking that zare isn't scum but I don't remember why. DarthPunk is his preferred lynch candidate, but at this point he has put absolutely no effort in pushing his selection. He is more than willing to comment on unrelated issues, but when it comes to the part of the game that should be most relevant, he shows little interest. This post shows me that his scum read is influenced by whether or not he believes the town views it as a viable lynch. When a mafia player selects a bandwagon, they often due it based on where the town's sentiment lies. Once he realizes that DarthPunk isn't going to get lynched, he backs off, simply stating that he has responded well to pressure. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:19 WaveofShadow wrote: No excuses here, but of the people I know in this game, very few have posted thus far so I can't read much into meta Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 13:18 WaveofShadow wrote: My meta reads are overall fairly weak thus far into my mafia career though so I'm not yet comfortable lynching zare based on that evidence. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 04:16 WaveofShadow wrote: Meta reads are going to be something I will not be very good at until I play quite a few more games with all of you guys, so I can't look back at Yamato and try to find out if Vivax's claim is legitimate. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote: My meta reads are very weak as I have stated earlier. Back to my point about his "defensive" phrasing of his vote, he has been acting quite defensive during the first two cycles. While a town player plays with confidence, Wave seems quite careful with his actions and is quite concerned with other's view of himself. Look how important it is to him for others to realize his meta based scum-hunting skills are sub-par. On four different occasions he makes this statement. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 22:50 WaveofShadow wrote: It's also nice how everyone is going to be real fucking quick to jump down my throat thanks to GM randomly naming me before he dies (multiple times) without anything to back it up. I love how just like in LX I get ignored half the game and no one responds to anything I say, and as soon as somebody randomly decides to point fingers at me suddenly the whole fucking thread is up in arms.
(Expletives deleted, don't want DrH yelling at me), I'm lone wolfing this game. In response to suspicion, he reacts quite strangely. Look how worked up he gets when GM names him as a scum read. There is essentially no pressure or votes on him at this point, yet he is responding as if he is about to be hammered. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 23:17 WaveofShadow wrote: But please, by all means keep it coming and tunnel me instead of hunting for real scum. It's not like this is a distraction or anything from the real point of the game. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:28 WaveofShadow wrote: Wat. GL with that. And as for responding to post-flip pressure, it just pisses me off that I don't get listened to at all on certain days; people only tend to pay attention to me when they think I'm scummy which has been...let's see....NEVER. These are more examples of how important it is to him that he is seen in good light. Note how he has spent more time talking about his annoyance of getting suspected, than he does about DarthPunk earlier. His vote of GreYMisT also occurred at a time where GreYMisT was suspicious of him. Show nested quote +On March 19 2013 03:34 WaveofShadow wrote: Haha wow I guess I really do have to be more careful what I post in these games...I make mistakes wayy too often that get seen as scummy. I guess it's good that people are pointing this shit out 'cause I didn't notice, and eventually I'll stop fucking myself over with these mistakes. I dunno, not much to say about that. I'll blame it on lack of sleep due to 3 month old baby.
Finally, I come to this post which is what caused me to look at him further. Look how squirmish he is in his response. This is at a point where he accidentally mentioned to a lynch, rather than a night kill. It was a 100% typo and a non-issue. Yet here is his talking about how his has to be more careful about not making mistakes and coming up with more excuses. Wave has show that he cares more about himself, than town. He is willing to share opinions on less important issues, while skimping in pushing town objectives when it comes to the lynch. He responds in a mafia manner to suspicion and posts with an attitude that lacks the look of a town player. I think he would make an excellent lynch today. Kita's first post: Solid reads actually, though they're not for the reasons he thinks. He's right I didn't do much scumhunting of my own D1 because as I have stated before, I didn't have any strong reads. VE's case on DP struck a chord with me because I was previously schooled on how useless it is to drop a 'pressure' vote on a lurker in the first few hours so I got on board. As for attempting to make myself look good, I believe I responded to that already: Show nested quote +The reason I want to be seen in a good light is because I'm town, and don't want people wasting their time trying to point out my dumb mistakes when they should be scumhunting for REAL scum.
Who are the lynch targets for today that need to pushed that I'm skimping on? Up until your recent post calling for an end to it, I was attempting to push both BH and VE to see what I could get from them, as well as zare earlier in the day. No, I haven't voted yet, but the day is young, good sir. His second post: + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 09:39 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:19 Vivax wrote: Well I read it right now but frankly I developed the feeling he is town, I find others way scummier than him and WoS is a newbie so I understand him being defensive, dunno why he rides so much on not knowing how to metaread though. Being defensive is a newbie scum trait, so I don't think that really plays much of a part. This is his 5th or 6th game though, so he should be more than capable of pushing a case. In one of his early posts he mentions how he would rather not provide a scum read until he is prepared to develop a strong case. It's 100+ hours and 60ish pages into the game and he still hasn't done so. This is my 5th game, yes. And I am very capable of pushing a case but usually in order for me to be capable it requires me to act like a fucking idiot first (see Hydra Mini Mafia) and get pressure on myself to get my ass in gear. I'm not sure why or why I'm incapable of fearlessly making cases before this happens in non-newbie games. (NMM 38 is the obvious exception; I played that very well in my opinion because I was more experienced than nearly everyone in there and either didn't post any bullshit to get called out on or they were too new to recognize it). Third: + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 09:45 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:41 WaveofShadow wrote: Oh and kita, cute case. I defy you to go through my meta and find something I've done differently this game than any of my others. I have never once lied in a mafia game thus far and have never been anything but town, including this game.
Vivax already gave you one of my typical defenses; hell I'll even add to it to attempt to appease you. I write up a case against you and your response is that you've never lied? Where am I calling you a liar? My case is that you show no interest in pushing a lynch. Even with this post, you ask "who are the lynch targets"? A town player decides a lynch target and pushes it on other players. A mafia player looks at the bandwagons and selects his favorite. I don't need another player to defend you. I'd like a response from yourself on the issues I mentioned. Using lying when unprovoked was an odd way to go, I'll admit, but I stand by my thoughts on meta, which I DID bring up before Mocsta, albeit really badly. He said what I should have though I'm not sure how compelling it would have been coming out of my own mouth. Fourth: + Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 09:48 kitaman27 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 09:45 WaveofShadow wrote: I think I am comfortable enough to vote Wiggle right now though because he really just doesn't appear to give a shit. Vote: Mr. Wiggles This is exactly what I'm referring to. Just minutes earlier you posted about how you wanted to know who where the lynch candidates in order to determine who to look at. Now you're voting Wiggles with a one line explanation. You clearly couldn't have taken the time to read through the filters of the players you just asked about. So why is it that you are voting based on town sentiment, rather than finding a player that you believe is scum and explaining to everyone why you believe this is the case. Early on in the day Wiggle said a few things that made me gut-read him as town but then looking over him I realized I had no reason to think as such. During the day multiple times I make mention of him appearing scummier to me. Fifth: Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 10:26 kitaman27 wrote:On March 20 2013 10:21 WaveofShadow wrote: Lol. I have had to defend myself against accusations like this every single game I've been in. Guess what the outcome has been EVERY SINGLE GAME. How is your alignment in past games relevant at all? It's completely relevant. In conclusion, Kita's case is not weak at all, it's my own fault for not playing as fearlessly as I should be early game and not defending myself with meta properly when I should have. Now I have defended myself in full and if people choose to go with it, great. If I'm still up for lynch then....we'll see how tomorrow goes.
Great! now that you have done a thorough analysis of Kita's case and still think that it is quite strong EVEN with you being the target. How do you feel about Coag and mocsta who instantly call you town for little reason DESPITE how strong the kita case is?
Oh and I am pretty sure WoS is town now.
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Hmmm. That is really solid. And you picked up on some stuff I completely missed.
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On March 20 2013 17:00 sciberbia wrote: Sweet. DP, are you down with a WoS lynch? I know you said you think he's town before, but you didn't say why. I'm feeling pretty good about it. I think I will try to consolidate all of my evidence against him into one post because that will probably prove more effective for the purpose of convincing the rest of the thread.
Yeah. I reckon I could lynch him. The main thing though is that he was very co-operative under pressure when I spoke with him rationally and then he did a reasonably good job of assessing the Kita case objectively. I don't know. How do you guys feel about his large analysis of kita's post?
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On March 20 2013 18:25 Mocsta wrote: Does anyone care that ace has basically lurked all game???
Not yet. He hasn't been around that long. we can afford to give him a bit of a chance IMO.
Anyway I agree with all the WoS stuff. so he has my vote again.
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Vivax. How do you feel about Viscera Eyes?
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On March 20 2013 23:03 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 22:58 Vivax wrote: WoS you seem to be tilting. Convince people about someone being a better lynch than you. If you roleclaim I will lynch you nontheless.
Mocsta another thing: During N1 and early D2 you were on zarepath calling him scummy about a lot of things (remember how he asked about the rolename?).
Now you seem to have lost track, what's your current read of zare? I havnt lost track honey i have reverted to a green read on zarepath actually i re-reading the game now; and though i still *abhor* his opener.. the following posts interacting with WoS for example are towny (And not because I think WoS is scum) its because he is calling out those ppl for the same thing I disliked and made notes about. I think keirathi was right, hes still newbie-ish town. Im only up to page 15 though (I know.. its embarassing, but in short. so far, i dnot see zarepath as scummy anymore)
Another weak town read which this time is a 180 on a previous scum read. Gee. You really want me to think you are scummy don't ya bud.
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On March 20 2013 23:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright Mocsta, you want association reads? (It's a shame I can't post videos, I had a perfect one for this. Look up Alan Parson's Project: "Eye In the Sky." Fantastic song.)
I am The Eye Lynch away!
OK here is how this works. You claim your full role and give us any crumbs. Don't care about the night kill or w/e it is far far better for you to be night killed than for us to potentially mislynch you.
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For those who somehow don;t understand why I have a problem with all these town reads with little to no reasoning. Townies just don't think that way. I think I have one solid town read at the moment and I am still not sold on it. So i really don;t know what the fuck people are talking about when they produce town reads and especially 180's from thin air with some weak as shit EXCUSE.
Because that is what all the reasoning for these town reads are. Excuses to think they are town. There is no analysis that will sway others to the read. and there is nothing that I can empathise with in terms of mindset.
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On March 20 2013 23:12 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:11 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 23:02 WaveofShadow wrote: Alright Mocsta, you want association reads? (It's a shame I can't post videos, I had a perfect one for this. Look up Alan Parson's Project: "Eye In the Sky." Fantastic song.)
I am The Eye Lynch away! OK here is how this works. You claim your full role and give us any crumbs. Don't care about the night kill or w/e it is far far better for you to be night killed than for us to potentially mislynch you. Really? You think so?
OK so why have you not done it yet?
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Mocsta. How far into the thread are you?
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On March 20 2013 23:17 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:14 DarthPunk wrote: For those who somehow don;t understand why I have a problem with all these town reads with little to no reasoning. Townies just don't think that way. I think I have one solid town read at the moment and I am still not sold on it. So i really don;t know what the fuck people are talking about when they produce town reads and especially 180's from thin air with some weak as shit EXCUSE.
Because that is what all the reasoning for these town reads are. Excuses to think they are town. There is no analysis that will sway others to the read. and there is nothing that I can empathise with in terms of mindset. I dunno if that was a reference to me. But perhaps we saying different things. To me a "town' read balls anywhere from above null to confirmed. Maybe for you, it only means confirmed town. If you talking about confirmed town, the only have three. & 2 are dead.
What in the actual fuck? for me it means someone I can say that I am above 80% sure is town. slightly above null is not a town read.
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On March 20 2013 23:19 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:17 DarthPunk wrote: Mocsta. How far into the thread are you? Well before WoS made his post, iw as reading in peace so p14. Cos ppl keep talking to me, its now only p15 perhaps i should jsut stop refereshing and read the whole night.. actually i will jsut do that. im sick of not knowing the status quo.
Yep that is a good idea. Just remember what page you started being current at and read to there.
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On March 20 2013 23:21 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 23:19 DarthPunk wrote:On March 20 2013 23:17 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 23:14 DarthPunk wrote: For those who somehow don;t understand why I have a problem with all these town reads with little to no reasoning. Townies just don't think that way. I think I have one solid town read at the moment and I am still not sold on it. So i really don;t know what the fuck people are talking about when they produce town reads and especially 180's from thin air with some weak as shit EXCUSE.
Because that is what all the reasoning for these town reads are. Excuses to think they are town. There is no analysis that will sway others to the read. and there is nothing that I can empathise with in terms of mindset. I dunno if that was a reference to me. But perhaps we saying different things. To me a "town' read balls anywhere from above null to confirmed. Maybe for you, it only means confirmed town. If you talking about confirmed town, the only have three. & 2 are dead. What in the actual fuck? for me it means someone I can say that I am above 80% sure is town. slightly above null is not a town read. There u go. i dont call ppl 80% town, that means nothing to me We all use different tools; its not scummy because someone thinks differently. DP, you're better than this.. Seriously... i actually liked you a lot when you coached me; but this shit.. seriously man. Take a chill pill.
Sorry. This is just how I play. I still love you buddy. just separate in game from out of it.
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