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On March 21 2013 01:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 01:50 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 01:47 Ace wrote:
Who CARES if he is a Vet? He just posted logs of him joining a 3rd party and even said fuck the Town. This isn't hard. The logs had no time stamps.. which makes it worse.....
Yeah I think there's a very simple solution to this problem: we lynch the guy who claimed 3p.
##unvote
##vote VE
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On March 21 2013 01:52 Ace wrote:
Stop talking about other people and stay focused on one person at a time. Jesus I don't want to have to teach people how to play my first game back in months.
Just dealwith VE now. Re-read the log: He accepted to join a 3rd party that clearly doesn't have interest in helping the Town. Whether VE is still Townis irrelevant: whatever powers he gets or grants to the 3rd party isn't going to help us. Lynch him now. Treat him like a self aware Miller and just solve the problem immediately.
If we fail to lynch VE today we deserve to lose.
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On March 21 2013 01:52 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 01:48 layabout wrote:On March 21 2013 01:44 Mocsta wrote:On March 21 2013 01:42 Ace wrote:
I dont have one, and I don't think it's important right now.Lynch VE. haha you funny gai Lets be real here.. why the fuck would a guy claim in the thread he is 3rd party.. doesnt make sense Im putting it out there. i dont think VE is a stupid guy. u might, but i dont. Man have i thought like you are thinking before marvellosity as VisceraEyes has been endgamed.You are VisceraEyes! I'm sorry, someone had be to him. You are compelled to claim at times that players never thought possible. During the day, you may claim publicly that you are any basic role. (Pairity cop, Medic, Tracker, Watcher, Jailer) and reveal your target. You will become this role for the following night targeting that player. You may not use this power to become the same role more than once. If you are roleblocked, your "shot" will be refunded. You win with town. + Show Spoiler +On March 17 2012 06:08 VisceraEyes wrote:
People need to get over this fear of large posts.
First of all, if everyone condensed their posts into larger, better thought out posts then spam wouldn't be as much of an issue. Second of all, larger posts means more information, regardless of whether you think it's "useful" information or not, and as such should be read completely every time.
I request a gun so I can shoot people I think are skipping over large posts. That went over my head was that a backhanded compliment?
The point Mocsta is that there is NO possible explanation for VE where you say "yes, he claimed 3rd-party, but I don't want to lynch the guy who has literally claimed 3rd party today"
Like why would you ever not lynch the scumclaim
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On March 21 2013 01:56 Mocsta wrote:
With the information standing.. this is fuckn suspicious, and whose pushing the VE vote. its ACE
Why cant he be the mirror?
Seriously.. why the fuck would VE out himself like this...
I dont see what layabout posted has anythign to do with it.. OK hes a compulsive claimer..perhaps.. surely thats only as blue roles.. not a claimer as scum/3rd party.. The whole situation doesnt make sense.
Ok dude Mocsta you say "this situation is confusing" but really is there ANY explanation for this situation, no matter how confused you are, where VE ISN'T third-party who we need to lynch?
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What ace is saying is, yeah as "bad explanations" go the idea that a third-party guy would bus a member of his own faction makes even less sense.
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On March 21 2013 01:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 01:59 zarepath wrote:
I think that we are better served finding scum today than lynching someone who claimed 3rd party.
We'll always know who the 3rd party player is, but if we refuse to look for scum today we lose a lot of ground. Fuckn bingo. Ace knows better than this
Ok, fair enough so I'll continue to look for scum. But like at this point I don't see a better choice.
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Unless I'm super sure though: we lynch the claimed scum.
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On March 21 2013 02:09 zarepath wrote:
Scum feel absolutely zero pressure if we all agree to lynch VE, so I'm pretty much going to completely ignore this third party stuff until I feel it's relevant.
it's relevant :|
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On March 21 2013 02:21 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:09 layabout wrote:On March 21 2013 02:03 zarepath wrote:On March 21 2013 01:58 WaveofShadow wrote:On March 21 2013 01:56 Mocsta wrote:
With the information standing.. this is fuckn suspicious, and whose pushing the VE vote. its ACE
Why cant he be the mirror?
Seriously.. why the fuck would VE out himself like this...
I dont see what layabout posted has anythign to do with it.. OK hes a compulsive claimer..perhaps.. surely thats only as blue roles.. not a claimer as scum/3rd party.. The whole situation doesnt make sense. You're right, it doesn't, but until given more information what else can we go on? We can't risk an outed 3rd party with possible empowered role escaping unpunished. We totally, absolutely can. There's no evidence of any 3rd party kill power yet, so it's not like we lose much yet, and we have scum to still find. If we lynch 3rd party today and scum uses 2 KP tonight, we're kind of in a precarious situation with only one serious lynch of information to go off of, and that was the crazy Day 1 mislynch. I think we're far better off looking for scum for the rest of the day than we are instantly agreeing that we shoudl lynch VE. It is super easy for scum to agree to this and look pro-town. The need to look for scum doesn't change the fact that we should lynch VE. What do you make of these 3? TestSubject893 glurio TranceStorm Trance is yet another player who just jumped on board the Wavetrain albeit with a little more effort than some of the others. Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 16:56 TranceStorm wrote:On March 20 2013 16:37 sciberbia wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On March 20 2013 16:34 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 15:46 geript wrote:On March 20 2013 15:18 Mocsta wrote:On March 20 2013 15:06 geript wrote:
Moc could you explain that logic more clearly. I'm not understanding that post at all. I can, if you let me know what you're struggling to follow. Surely its not the "whole thing" Here's what I mean: your problem with WoS as you summarize it is that in non-newb (non-first game) games he has more balls. You confront him on it. He turns on the 'balls factor.' You unvote based on said 'having balls' town read. Then you excuse the kita case essentially based on experienced player reading an experienced player when you say WoS isn't experienced and thus the whole case is invalid. There's nothing damning there and I can follow that at least. That said, I can't help but feel that this whole exchange is fishy because it comes off as you telling him how to act, then he acts that way, then you dismiss your vote and the case with a wave of the hand. (Pun intended). I categorize this as "Moc-type logic" but it still feels artificial to me. The last part is my real issue: For me, the case is upheld *ONLY IF* WoS hasnt pushed a lynch agenda during Day1. Thats when a sheep vote to me is scummy. From the quick filter browse i did, it looked like he satisfied the above, thus, making the case invalid to me. You say the case is upheld only if WoS doesn't push a lynch agenda D1. Honestly, I didn't remember a lynch agenda from him D1 and the only points re:lynch are a +1 on DP and a preference on GM over Zare. He even noted his meta reads are crap; I think he also called my meta reads as crap (based on previous games where Zare had at least softclaimed town early). However, I don't remember him commenting on DYH's meta read at all. I don't see a real case push from WoS D1 which makes the case still stand then right? Wow Geript.. I wrote this whole post and said fuck it. im not gonna be lazy, I will read 6 pages of WoS. It changed everything. You are right. Kita case still stands.I was wrong. this fucker did not do anything until the Kita case (which is the only stuff I read when WoS asked me to look @ his filter  my derp) I was under the impression he had pushed Mr.Wiggles all of Day 1.. obviously wrong. I dindt realise the majority of his filter came from late Night1/early Day 2. And also that the majority of his filter is just talking shit. There is not a clear agenda. I need to read WoS defense of Kita case one more time, because I wasnt satisfied the first time around; but was giving undue credit for pushing a case Day1. For your reference, the below is the post i was about to make before reading WoS filter. + Show Spoiler +
(1) "Balls"
Now for what you raised:
I didnt unvote WoS because he turned the balls factor on... that would be invalid (cos i gave him a way out)..
The way it went down: I skipped to the most recent page, saw that limp post of him and was like WTF, WoS doesnt play like that and made my meta validation vote post. It was that simple. I think its pretty obvious when i voted him, it was with intention to lynch.
He then identified to me, that he had "balls" before the meta case. As such, the meta case post in my opinion became his saving grace.
(2) Why lynch push is important
I know you love poker. so let me me analogous to that.
Pros expect a certain level of play, and can actually struggle against newbies, because they dont understand/conform to the "rules' of the game and make unpredicatable/stupid plays.
I believe that was the basis of kitaman case on WoS. Those tells on someone like DP would indeed be the nail in the coffin. Unfortunately I dont find them as strong on newbies, because typically they are not as aware of what constitutes good play; or the ramifications of their own play.
Hence why I said, Kita case points are indeed valid scum tells; but to me only point to a scum WoS if he hasnt pushed a lynch candidate hard. (That would be the turning point for me to consider the tells as scum, and not newbie town being unaware/stupid).
(3) Is the case invalid - i.e. did WoS push anyone hard
I need to do a proper read of his filter, instead of just a couple pages.
Based on Day2 play, I thought he pushed ppl; hence my retraction of vote.
Based on Day1 play, I havent read it (yet.. planning to tonight)
If WoS indeed only discussed "Im not familiar to know these meta reads" and didnt push a lynch vote, then I would give serious consideration to Kita case, and most likely lead to a vote on WoS.
Unfortunately, I am making a leap of faith currently that the targets WoS pushed today (i.e. Mr.Wiggles etc) are the same ppl from Day1. If that is the situation at hand, then I think Kita case is invalid in full.
err no he didn't push any agenda D1. I was going to point this out too: In fact as of N1 Wiggles was one of his "strongest town reads". By early D2, Wiggles was the scummiest person in the thread to WoS. The conversion does not look convincing to me. Look into this as well as my post above and tell me what you think. Good spot, its an astonishing 180 degree turnaround. Moreover, in the posts you quoted earlier, he acts in a very arrogant manner as if to suggest the town is playing poorly; now he wants us to believe that he has been playing a poor townie all along. I can't buy the emotional appeals he's making. I think that you are making a little too much of the cosmicomics connection at the moment though. That can be looked into if WoS does indeed flip red. Mind you, if WoS is scum, then my suspicions against TPS are probably completely wrong. And now he's wrong about both me AND TPS! I still think glurio is town based on gameplay alone, though if you consider the fact that he's barely been to the thread at all, that's scummy glurio. I'll be able to tell his alignment for sure if he comes back and contributes a little. If he doesn't at all, he's scum. TestSubject I got nothing. I have to go look.
as soon as i stopped shitting all over him testsubject decided he couldn't be bothered to continue to appear to hunt scum
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On March 21 2013 02:55 VisceraEyes wrote:
Did anyone notice how Blz immediately jumped on the "lynch VE" sentiment and then fucked off? Kinda convenient don't you think?
At least have the decency to get lynched quietly.
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Anyone who's not voting VE needs to make a good case why we aren't just lynching the claimed scum. "Oh he might not have kp" and "he's playing against his wincon" (which is probably true regardless of his alignment) are not good reasons.
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On March 21 2013 02:57 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:56 WaveofShadow wrote:
VE there are a LOT of people who have fucked off after jumping on bandwagons today that we still need to hear from.
A LOT.
But he was JUST here and commented on NOTHING but the whole VE thing that JUST happened. That's the difference.
I did note that WoS's claim of a green check on TPS means I'm not interested in lynching either of them.
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On March 21 2013 02:58 VisceraEyes wrote:
I have not claimed scum. I'm town. Wade is ridiculous.
wat
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On March 21 2013 02:59 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 02:58 Wade Fell wrote:
Anyone who's not voting VE needs to make a good case why we aren't just lynching the claimed scum. "Oh he might not have kp" and "he's playing against his wincon" (which is probably true regardless of his alignment) are not good reasons. Show it to me. i dont recall
how do you not recall
he posted mason logs in which he joins 3p
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Am I in the twilight zone here? Didn't VE claim scum by posting those logs? >.>
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So I need to do a reread but 90% likely I'll be making a case on either vivax testsubj or wiggles. Probably vivax since testsubj doesn't really seem to be playing any more. lynching WoS or TPS is out of the question at this point and tbh if WoS's claim is true he's gonna get shot anyways along with TPS fairly quickly
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3P is scum
I don't know where you guys learned to play mafia but there's like no reason not to lynch 3P. We should still make cases and hunt scum but what possible motivation would we have for not lynching a scum player, even if he's 3P?
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On March 21 2013 03:03 Mocsta wrote:Mr. BH To more pressing matters.. please address the below Show nested quote +On March 20 2013 18:19 Mocsta wrote:
Now that I read through BH log with go in clarity
I have no idea how he gets a town read.
Gk never provides his own thoughts, instead just agrees with BH.
BH also in his first posts says he wants to avoid a gk mislynch. So if gk is scum, he has no reason to feel pressured or scared from the start of the qt.
BH here is some wifom
Maybe u weren't killed because scum happy u have a town read on gk
@BH
Can u walk me through specifically what in that mason log gives u a town read. To me gk never gives a hard stance on anything and isn't helping u scum hunt.
Reminds me of my PMs with promethelax in personality2 actually.
I had a townread on GK before the mason logs, which is why I masoned him. The masonry happened near the end of D1 and the way he reacted to my discussion of wiggles (noting that we need to consolidate) and GM's martyring both seem pretty transparent to me. D1 and onwards it's been like super-double-obvious GK is town and I don't know why this is even up for discussion.
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On March 21 2013 03:04 Mocsta wrote:Show nested quote +On March 21 2013 03:03 Wade Fell wrote:
So I need to do a reread but 90% likely I'll be making a case on either vivax testsubj or wiggles. Probably vivax since testsubj doesn't really seem to be playing any more. lynching WoS or TPS is out of the question at this point and tbh if WoS's claim is true he's gonna get shot anyways along with TPS fairly quickly WTF man.. is this wackytabacky hour with VE or something? If testsubject isnt playing anymore.. why WONT you lynch him? seriously
testsubj is literally one of 3 people I want to lynch right now besides VE man. jesus
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