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On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum.
Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game
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On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it.
Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :|
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On March 17 2013 15:11 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.
I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment. Pressuring Coag is moot as long as BH is willing to stick his neck out for him, and will be even less effective now that we've vocallized that we're not all that serious about following through with a lynch on him. I don't have as many opinions as others because I'm 16 hours behind everyone else on this game due to my internet being out....
Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way How does this make sense as town?
Read the longer post.
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On March 17 2013 15:15 TestSubject893 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it. Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| Next time someone asks me what I think about someone I'll just ignore them then.
Wow so helpful
so pro-town
no wait the opposite of that
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On March 17 2013 15:18 goodkarma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it. Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| As I described, I didn't want a poorly formed town circle full of sheep blindly following someone who for me was a null read... I tend to talk a bit about policy, which may be a fault of mine. But if a town circle is to be formed my motive behind my comments there was to make sure it was formed right.
Even in the worst case scenario though, which is like several active players end up following a scum VE, there's like infinitely more pressure and spotlight on VE and he will eventually slip up and be outed. If VE is town it's a town-motivated plan, and if VE is scum he's insane and will be caught.
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On March 17 2013 15:20 Coagulation wrote:
who the fuck is bh
me
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On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote:
Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1.
please stop
you're so helpful
stop being so helpful
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and by "helpful" I mean the opposite of that
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quoted for filter
On March 17 2013 15:58 Blazinghand wrote:
TPS, I think we want the same thing here. We want you to post more and explain your thought process, and me to post less trying to prod you into doing so. Let's do that.
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On March 17 2013 16:17 ThePeashooter wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:58 DoYouHas wrote:On March 17 2013 15:50 ThePeashooter wrote:
Wadefall, consolidate your shit. I played one game of dota and somehow 80 fucking posts popped up and you are nearly a quarter of them. Nothing demotivates me more than a game that gets spammed to shit. I was really happy we weren't heading for a 100 page Day 1. You are just going to have to get over it. We are at a point where we can actively discuss the merits of cases and wagons instead of just hoping that a brilliantly written case will gather enough sheep to lynch scum. It's a good thing. I have no issue with posting content and I never will, even if it means 100 pages in a day. My issue is with posts like this comprising 25% of the last 80 posts. + Show Spoiler [It's fucking long] +On March 17 2013 14:14 Wade Fell wrote:
why does everyone in this game and last game think I have like this massive ego
I just _happen_ to always be right, it doesn't mean I have a big head about it On March 17 2013 14:19 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:18 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:14 VisceraEyes wrote:It has nothing to do with my role and everything to do with finding and destroying the scum.  So you wouldn't mind if people apply without the bold ## command then? We're in a normal game, it's not like the ## command does anything On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.
Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game On March 17 2013 14:22 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:21 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.
Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game To be fair, I lynched scum D1 last game. You helped, and your support was appreciated. Ok yes technically it was you, but I would have done the same if town elected me. On March 17 2013 14:23 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:22 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:20 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 14:10 TestSubject893 wrote:
BH, I'd appriciate it if you boosted your ego through winning instead of making easy meta calls.
Gee I'm sorry how many scum did I lynch during the first 2 days of the last game Gee I'm sorry that I easily won because only 2 people in the town knew how to try. It's not easy being one of the 2 On March 17 2013 14:24 Wade Fell wrote:
man testsubject ok let me play it straight for you
oatsmaster fucked up my night check and I still got 2 scum lynched (ok like 1.5 whatever) and when I died town had it in the bag. You lucked into victory
lucked On March 17 2013 14:25 Wade Fell wrote:
Also testsubject for a guy who's read the thread and can only say "geript and zare are candidates" you sure talk a lot of smack On March 17 2013 14:27 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
Oh don't be like that BH Test did exactly what he had to do to win. Bitter. I am disappoint. I'm just mad at oats really On March 17 2013 14:35 Wade Fell wrote:
I mean, I _assume_ a "lynch preference" is the same as a scumread, unless of course he is scum and would prefer to lynch town On March 17 2013 14:42 Wade Fell wrote:
Testsubject is basically just making half-assed attacks on the D1 lynchbait kk On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +(like latest Batman movie disappointing  ) . But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt:Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.
On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.
On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.
I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind. Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: JyuhtConsider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat:I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: GolbatYourHarry:I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK On March 17 2013 14:46 Wade Fell wrote:
Like look he LITERALLY calls golbat scummy for the same reason he votes Jyuht. That's not GK setting up a voteswap, that's just how the man thinks. On March 17 2013 14:48 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Wait wait that doesn't look the same at all. He gives a shitty summary of their play in this game and in that post he goes into detail explaining why he thinks the way he does. Ok yes in NMMXXIV he is more legit. He talks a bit about the play of the people, he's less shitty. But the idea that GK is bad because he's not evenly applying his criteria for scumminess, or that he's scum for having an easy swap is not correct. On March 17 2013 14:49 Wade Fell wrote:
I will note one deviation from meta, though, and that is that town GK typically is asking questions of people and prodding a lot in thread, and this one is not. Still, though, his slow-movingness indicates town GK to me and not the quick-drawing scum GK from LVII On March 17 2013 14:53 Wade Fell wrote:
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I don't like to think I'm wrong about this kind of thing. GK are you here On March 17 2013 14:56 Wade Fell wrote:
Ok here's what I'm going to do
i still think GK isn't scum and testsubject IS scum. I know it's privileging the hypothesis but all the evidence around testsubject points to him being scum, and GK seems off but not entirely off. I don't want to be wrong, but if i'm wrong I want to be voting the right guy
So I'm going to go fluff my komodo dragon's feathers for a bit and think on this. Even though GK's statements all seem scummy his TONE sounds like town GK, and yes I know that's not going to convince anyone but it has me convinced right now. I'll figure out what his deal is and why this is town GK and i'll show you all who's right and who's wrong
testsubject be a man and post some serious case rather than flailing around like you are now if you ever want me not to lynch you today
On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 14:57 GreYMisT wrote:On March 17 2013 14:45 Wade Fell wrote:Yeah I gotta admit the new GK post isn't super sexy :| but GK is not a sexy man. contrast his "promised post" in NMMXXIV though (link) and it's like exactly the friggen same. This is town GK. I'll even quote his post so you can see it and I like never do that + Show Spoiler +On August 16 2012 15:24 goodkarma wrote:Okay, my long promised "case post." I'm sorry for the hype, as this is going to be short and possibly a bit disappointing for those that were anticipating it + Show Spoiler +(like latest Batman movie disappointing ) . But here's my case. It's going to be short and sweet.: A big part of day one is establishing a good future town atmosphere. To that end, there are several people that are not participating as they should. The guiltiest of these are: Jhuyt and Golbat. Jhuyt:Jhuyt is especially suspicious to me right now. I have read the recent case presented against him by Archrun above. I tend to agree heavily with his first point: about Jhuyt's experience with Solar's post history on TL being consistent with his posting. I'm not ready to call Jhuyt a liar, but claiming Solar is troll/emotional generally on TL requires further explanation. Upon looking through some of his posts, I haven't seen this to be the case. If he is lying, this is enough reason to lynch him. Now the other part of Jhuyt that is scummy is how wishy-washy he is in the limited amount of content he has posted. Let's look at his latest post. In bold are his current "reads" on certain people. Notice how hesitant he is to take a stance on anyone.: Show nested quote +On August 15 2012 20:18 Jhuyt wrote:
Hmm, you're right, I should try to be more helpful.
On Solar: This is just how he is in general from what I've seen on TL, so I don't have anything there.
On Shady: Shady tries to control the game, which is an act that I don't often see in normal townies, I've most often encountered it when a scum tries to make everybody think he's the sheriff. It is, however, a game of high risk and relies heavily on the actual sheriff being useless. He might be the sheriff as well, and this is why I think the first day is kinda silly, I don't know what to think solely based on his posts, they seem consistent.
I still think that YourHarry is something scummy simply because his posting behavior is strange, on everybody else, I need more evidence before making up my mind. Also, he is currently the winner of the "lurker prize." It is clear from what he has contributed that he has little interest in scum hunting. Therefore: ##Vote: JyuhtConsider it both a vote based on scum behavior and on "lurker policy." In the absence of a stronger scum read my vote goes on him. Golbat:I expected more from you. I know that it really sucks being mislynched day 1, and I haven't ruled out your lurkiness as being from over-reacting to your poor play in XXII by playing almost the exact opposite of how you played then. But you have to step up and continue posting your reads. What got you in trouble then was vote-swapping without giving much explanation. As long as you give an explanation for your reads, don't be afraid to FoS and vote. What you're doing now makes you look just as scummy as how you looked in XXII. ##FoS: GolbatYourHarry:I haven't forgotten about you. However poorly I feel you'd be playing as town by playing the way you are right now, I can't say it would be inconsistent with what I'd expect based on your previous play. I'm not un-FoS-ing you but I'm not ready to vote you as my top scum read right now either. is it shit? yes. But that was town GK, and this is town GK They are the same structurally, because that's simply how he posts and thinks. That will usually not change between being town and scum. However, a difference I can note is how much more specific he is here, and how he cites specific examples, and tries to convince others that this is the correct choice. In his current cases and thread presnse, I do not get that feeling from him. I get the "Look at my vote and contribution!" feeling :| GK this would be a great time to rise to your own defense or something On March 17 2013 14:58 Wade Fell wrote:
cause I got nothin
really On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:09 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 15:05 Wade Fell wrote:On March 17 2013 15:02 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:46 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 17 2013 14:40 TestSubject893 wrote:Ok, VE, I can go into a little detail. geript:The RNG stuff doesn't seem very indicative to me, but the tarot card speculation rubbed me the wrong way. It seems like he's posting just to post. I really don't think anyone could think that speculating about similarities to tarot cards could get us anything, so it stuck out to me as scummy. zare:Zare's post here basically just seems like a summary. It struck me as an attempt to just blend into the crowd. He doesn't add anything to the discussion really, but takes 3 paragraphs to do it. Very much a feigning contribution kind of post. If I had to pick right this second I'd vote to lynch zare. How about you give me your thoughts on the overwhelming vote leader right now, GoodKarma? Thank you for providing your lynch preferences, but those points seem a little weak and the case on GK grows stronger with every post he makes. I'd like your thoughts on why the majority of voters are wrong and we should vote for one of your guys. Honestly, I totally null on him right now, not because of anything he's posted but because I don't really remember any of his posts and didn't take any notes on him. I guess I'll take this opportunity to look closer and get back to you. Ok, so I was looking through his posts, feeling pretty good about him, saying to myself "I could see him being town. I'm sceptical of all this SAST stuff too.", but then BAM. On March 17 2013 14:09 goodkarma wrote:
I would say that my stance on VE has been that he was being silly. That coag attempted to go into the group though convinced me that I needed to be sure it didn't gain momentum as it was not a very pro-town plan. I'm not against "town circles," however, if they're done right.
This doesn't make sense as town to me. Even if he thinks its dumb "being sure it doesn't get momentum" is a waste of time for anyone but scum. Almost as much of a waste of time as your setup speculation on Ve's role in a normal game Do you disagree with his point? What town motivation is there to "make sure it doesn't get momentum"? If it's a waste of time, it's MY waste of time, not his. Commenting on it and discrediting it does nothing to find scum, especially if he doesn't find me scummy for it. Yeah okay his point is bad, and even pushing it wasn't helping any conceivable town agenda, even assuming he thought it was true :| On March 17 2013 15:14 Wade Fell wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:11 TestSubject893 wrote:On March 17 2013 14:53 GreYMisT wrote:
TestSubject really hasn't said much of anything (hypocritical from me right?). The main thing that stands out to me about him is that a significant exchange between him and Wade Fell took place regarding punishing bad town play. TestSubject supports this argument with his main entrance post, calling for pressure against Coag. However, He doesnt attempt to pressure him at all, and really fails to significantly mention him.
I can see where he is coming from with his read on zare, but overally Test doesnt seem like the best lynch candidate to me at the moment. Pressuring Coag is moot as long as BH is willing to stick his neck out for him, and will be even less effective now that we've vocallized that we're not all that serious about following through with a lynch on him. I don't have as many opinions as others because I'm 16 hours behind everyone else on this game due to my internet being out....
On March 17 2013 14:57 Wade Fell wrote:
tl;dr: I'm right and you're all wrong, I'm just not sure how yet. I will find a way How does this make sense as town? Read the longer post. Every single one of these posts was within an hour and I didn't even select every single post within that specific hour. At some point in life I might actually have to read the guys filter or rest of the damn game.
That's a lot of effort put into just quoting a bunch of my posts for no discernible reason. Look, I post a lot and if you're legitimately angry want me to post less, I can try to cut down the insults. I think what's really got your goat though isn't how much i'm posting, but the fact that I'm not willing to lay off the pressure on you. Is it really so bothersome that I'm actively involved in the back-and-forth discussion, or are you just scum trying to avoid actually talking about the game?
If it makes you feel better, I won't say anything that would make your mother blush, but I will not tone down my level of activity because my top scumread is mad that he got caught with his pants down
huehuehuhue
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In any case, if you consider that matter resolved, I'm ready to tango with you on whatever your next not-actually-relevant-to-the-game issue is. I sincerely respect your high level scum play.
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On March 17 2013 16:25 Blazinghand wrote:
Normally, this is where i'd post an ms paint drawing of me literally having a goat that belongs to TPS, but i think i shoudl reserve that for top top scumread testsubject when i get a chance to interact with him.
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On March 18 2013 10:19 sciberbia wrote:yesterday: Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 15:30 geript wrote:
I don't see any evidence from that game that Zarepath thought that claiming or not claiming town was in anyway alignment indicative. I also don't see how he would've formed a different opinion on the matter as I'm not aware of other games he's played in the mean time. The Zarepath that I remember from NMM37 was reasonable and interacted with the thread more. This Zarepath looks intentionally dense. I'm personally pissed that Sciberbia stole my thunder. Zarepath is SCUM.
Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 00:30 geript wrote:
Fine, what are your reservations on a zarepath lynch? Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 00:56 geript wrote:
Sorry, missed that last line. Ok, then other than the quoting thing are there other reasons to be voting for TPS over Zarepath? today: Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:34 geript wrote:
Greymist is by far the better lynch today. I don't see how he's added anything constructive. Share paths inconsistencies can be explained by other things and is at least worth a day of listening too. Your fucktarded if you can't even see that. Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 09:53 geript wrote:
I don't think my exploits last game need to be documented anymore. I played shitty and stupid and got myself mislynches. As town. I at least can empathize with Zare's position. Yes, I still think he's likely to be scum. But I'd be a stupid, cold heartless bastard to not have put myself in his shoes and considered how I would act. Or have acted. He's at least worth the effort to try and get a better read on or we may be able to get more useful information out of if he's scum. It's at least worth a wait. Does anyone else find this sequence of posts disturbing? Geript was clearly a big fan of lynching zarepath yesterday. He was in fact pushing the zarepath lynch. Since yesterday, zarepath looks if anything scummier, and the bandwagon on him has gotten stronger, and suddenly geript refuses to lynch him anymore. I can't help but wonder if the geript + zarepath theory was right all along.
I don't like how Zarepath has been posting recently. His initial fearless posting (link)(link), however ill-advised it may have been, seemed to me to be townie. That plus my personal history with geript has led me to go soft on the two of them. I don't like that zarepath has become apologetic (link) and reserved (link), and his posting has gone down so much as the pressure has ramped up. That being said, his initial townlike recklessness and unthinkingness in posting resonates with me. His posting pattern tells me "town player who has no clue what he's doing" because of his initial earnestness. I will give him a second chance.
GreYMisT, on the other hand, does not deserve another chance. GK already went over the initial scumminess in GreYMisT's entry into the game; the active lurking (link), the "trap" that (link) even viewed in the best possible light, is a noncase and a vote-threat that doesn't directly mean anything. "I was a potential mislynch, so the guy who pushed me is scum" is not a reasonable case, and if GreYMisT were like Grush or something I'd be like "wow Grush is Grush" but GM is in fact GM and not Grush. He opposed my meta read on GK (link) saying "that's just how GK thinks" without actually referencing a game of GK playing scum and acting like this. He made a meta read not based on GK's scum meta, but on... well, his word. I've exetensively provided reasoning for why GK is playing to his town and not scum meta, and everyone who's actually clicked through on my links has at least in part agreed with me.
So what's with GreYMisT? He acts like he has a meta read on GK of "GK always posts like this as town or scum" but has NO EVIDENCE. He admits GK's actions could be town or scum (link) and after asserting that GK's actions are null, says he still wants to lynch GK (link) (link) only later supplementing his so-called "case" on GK with a one-liner (link) that actually literally refuses to engage with GK's defense. GreYMisT has slipped up badly-- he's accidentally let us peek behind the curtain at the man who doesn't think GK is scum but wants to lynch him anyways, the man who claims to have a meta read on GK but won't share details and has opted out of the town discourse as a result of his fixation on GK.
If GreYMisT were really after GK, and REALLY had something to say about my meta defense of GK, He'd say it. He'd have said it. He'd have shouted it to the heavens, linked and quoted the evidence, and bitch-slapped me like the young punk I am. GreYMisT has blinked, multiple times, because his town play is interfering with his ability push a mislynch as scum.
He is scum, and GK is town. We all know this to be true.
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"oh wade fell don't you still want to lynch testsubject and TPS"
I'm gonna be straight with you: yes, I would love to lynch either of those clowns. I'd love it so much. But we've got like a few hours left in the day, and of the available wagons, there's a scum option. This isn't the time for a principled push of some doomed wagon, this is time to lynch scum. If your vote is on someone with like 1 or 2 votes, you either need to convince everyone to join you, or you need to get off the worthless wagon. Anything less is opting out of the town discourse and not an acceptable way to play.
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On March 18 2013 09:53 geript wrote:
I don't think my exploits last game need to be documented anymore. I played shitty and stupid and got myself mislynches. As town. I at least can empathize with Zare's position. Yes, I still think he's likely to be scum. But I'd be a stupid, cold heartless bastard to not have put myself in his shoes and considered how I would act. Or have acted. He's at least worth the effort to try and get a better read on or we may be able to get more useful information out of if he's scum. It's at least worth a wait.
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Day 1 began at 15:51 TL time, which means we have about 5 and a half hours until deadline.
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On March 18 2013 11:48 DarthPunk wrote:
So why is everyone so convinced greymist is scum. I really don't get it. Like I understand, but I don't see how everyone can be so certain.
Realistically speaking he's the scummiest player that can be lynched today. Due to the unusual deadline, there will be no shennannies, as much as TPS and TestSubject need to be lynched. I understand that this is my own failure in getting others to join me on these wagons, but given the current circumstances, greymist is the scummiest lynchable player. And he IS scum. He's NOT pushing his objectives like a town GM would.
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On March 18 2013 11:55 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 23:43 GreYMisT wrote:On March 16 2013 23:38 Hopeless1der wrote:On March 16 2013 22:05 zarepath wrote:On March 16 2013 16:46 Coagulation wrote:
im town thank god In the last game I played, literally every single person who claimed town in their opening post was scum. On March 16 2013 16:46 VisceraEyes wrote:
Hi I'm town yadda yadda. BH you wanna try and get a read on me before I go to bed? VE did say in the analysis that he always claims town no matter what, though. But seriously, what is the town motivation for claiming town so early? There's more scum motivation than town motivation. On March 16 2013 17:10 VisceraEyes wrote:
Maybe next time sport. Tell me, what do you make of geript and his RNG shenanigans? It's said that he RNG'd before the game started and that rather than using the name he drew, he RNG'd AGAIN when the game started! How exciting is that?!
Now, as we know, scum aren't likely to put their scumbuddy up for lynch so easily, so the supposition is that geript and zarepath are scumbuddies, and geript didn't want to put his buddy up for lynch! What do you say to THAT?! Yeah, I reject this notion for obvious reasons, but also for the fact that this is already an association case, isn't it? Granted, I suppose if you assume that there are scum motivations for him switching his RNG, the most obvious reason would be because his original RNG was going to hit scum. But wasn't he told he couldn't use that anyway and have it count as a real RNG? And again, you're already operating on the assumption the switch was scum-motivated. VE's super awesome team sounds dumb. I can't see how any self-respecting scum hunter would agree to unite their votes with 4 other active people no matter what. And honestly, don't the self-respecting scum hunters kind of unite with each other as they prove themselves to each other anyway? I am much more in favor of a "lead scumhunting team" coming about organically from the good scum-hunters recognizing each other as being good than VE deciding who is good and then telling them how to vote. Also, I find all role and setup speculation stupid at this point; even regarding the fact that the OP suggests the possibility of victory conditions changing throughout the game, I don't see how town is better served in finding scum through role speculation without any information with which to base it on, and I don't see why town would want to do anything other than promote a pro-town atmosphere and find scum on the first day regardless of the setup. /offtopic: flavor is awesome  The use of anecdotal evidence to push a non-existent policy is pretty scummy here. Unless lynching townclaims has become a thing. Is this what the kenpachi rule is for, or is that only for kenpachi? So uh, how about the part where he directly acknowledges that VE always opens up with a "hai I'm town" to some degree, and in spite of this, the townclaim is scummy? It should be read as null, every time, unless there's some meta "tone" read that I can't pick up on. Overall, I read through this post and zarepath keeps playing devil's advocate with himself and answering his own questions. There is no mindset of wanting to solve the game to me. I think he's scum. I agree with this look at Zarepath. It appears to me that he is trying to find things to say. GreYMist, whatever happened to this? You haven't mentioned me once since.
This ties into my "GM isn't honestly following up" theory-- he doesn't really believe in his cases so he's not putting in full effort.
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an entirely wrongheaded attack on GK, and unexplained scumreads on WoS and Testsubject.
He's right on testsubject but never goes into detail. As a final token to Greymist I will take an analytical look at WoS before the end of the night though, and as usual you will have my general thoughts and cases before dawn.
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On March 19 2013 01:31 Blazinghand wrote:Show nested quote +On March 18 2013 20:21 geript wrote:On March 18 2013 16:09 Wade Fell wrote:
:| at least with his dying hours he could have written some cases or given something to work off of. All he's left us with is:
an entirely wrongheaded attack on GK, and unexplained scumreads on WoS and Testsubject.
He's right on testsubject but never goes into detail. As a final token to Greymist I will take an analytical look at WoS before the end of the night though, and as usual you will have my general thoughts and cases before dawn. I went to bed before I saw this, but this is absolute bullshit. First, BH does value going back through dead players filters to look at their points; hell he even said he'd read mine even after I martyred myself. The real BH is no newb who sheeps other dead vets. This isn't the tone of the "Fuck Yah, I'm king of the world" BH we got last game; this isn't cold, rational aggressive BH. This is scum. Never once that I can think of last game did BH so instantly attack players after a flip especially so worthlessly. There's literally no point to this post whatsoever other than trying to direct traffic. I was at work and got lost in the DP VE slugfest and didn't catch this point at the time: On March 18 2013 08:30 DarthPunk wrote:
THe pressure on Blazing had nothing to do with goodkarma's alignment. It should be obvious that I was pressuring him on making a dead set town read based on weak meta so swiftly. Why? Because scum are likely to make town reads like that and town are not. I was asking BH incase there was something that I missed.
Dude's scum and I intend on giving Zare an extra day. zZz if you have a case other than "BH is reasonably revising his reads and willing to look into new players based on the flip of an experienced town players" please let me know. Are you seriously still butthurt about how horribly you played and got mislynched last game or what
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