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On March 06 2013 08:12 Promethelax wrote:
Yes in fact I have played with Dan a decent amount. And hosted with him. We talk, I know him. I think he is town.
jay could you give me a three sentence explanation of what you think of Vivax.
Vivax my pizza-loving friend, could you tell me what you think of Jay.
He's sure I'm scum and doesn't like Dandel but doesn't threaten him with a lynch to get him to play properly.
Doesn't look as scummy as he usually does as town (lol). That's mainly when he jumps around and FoSes people for no reason forgetting about them some posts later, I'm thinking about Normal Mini IV .
He is much more curious as town in that game and jumps a lot between reads as you see, also in opportunistic ways when he's about to get lynched.
Here he wants to lynch me, sits back and talks a little badly about Dandel.
Would lynch!
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Some more stuff on vivax:
On March 06 2013 06:00 Vivax wrote:
Prome lied to say I'm scum.
Lynch Prome immediately I guarantee a red hit.
I also mistakenly answered a question of his twice for those who care.
Dandel let's be the Austrian Bros for this game I lived in Tirol where do you go around? /buddy
Help me lynch Prom and be a boss.
Buddying to get me on his wagon doesn't work??
No problem let's say this half an hour later:
On March 06 2013 06:27 Vivax wrote:
Aqua the votecount should show earlier votes and unvotes with
Who else is willing to policy lynch Dandel for being all casual, unreadable and not contributing to this game?
##Unvote
##Vote Dandel Ion
I'm gone for 20 minutes? np let's cll me out for lurking:
On March 06 2013 06:40 Vivax wrote:
Nice delurk.
Namedrops Ace's mafia guide. Now, why would he know what's in there so well? Obviously felt the need to read it lately.
On March 06 2013 07:31 Vivax wrote:
Let's lynch Dandel for openly playing anti-town he probably read Ace's mafia guide and now tries to play that card. His reads are all OMGUS and on townies (I think DrH is townie yes).
Even for the unlikely case he's town we don't need people playing right into mafia's hands. If he's town he's trying hard to get himself lynched.
##Unvoting
##Vote Dandel Ion
Also doesn't answer when I call him out on this slip.
Add to that his weird behaviour surrounding what experts dub the Artanis Incident...
Vivax is scum.
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Vivax; thoughts on jay please.
Jay: thoughts on Vivax.
hapa, why do you think Vivax is not scum?
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On March 06 2013 08:24 Promethelax wrote:
Vivax; thoughts on jay please.
Jay: thoughts on Vivax.
hapa, why do you think Vivax is not scum?
I thought he was scum about 15 minutes ago and realized I needed to step back a bit. I want to get a couple of calm, constructive responses and re-evaluate.
So for now, I'm not leaning anything on him.
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Prom if you're really town start looking elsewhere cause you're wasting your time if you think I'm scum.
I've gladly provided you my opinion on jay though, it's up there.
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On March 06 2013 08:27 Vivax wrote:
Prom if you're really town start looking elsewhere cause you're wasting your time if you think I'm scum.
I've gladly provided you my opinion on jay though, it's up there.
Yeah I saw that Vivax, but that's like the 4th person you're open to lynching so far. How would you order your scumreads right now from most likely ---> least likely to flip red?
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Sorry I wasn't clear in my second post but "would lynch" seems to be your conclusion about me, dan, Jay and Artanis. I would like something more than that thanks.
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I kinda respect your opinion you gave me on Prom and Artanis.
The main points keeping me set on lynching Prom were that he lied about what I did without replying back to my counter arguments or adapting his read on me, I already mentioned this.
I found Artanis scummy cause he seemed to have the intention to attack you for giving townreads to so many players which I saw as towntell instead. He also called that process "buddying" and not giving townreads so it looked like he was trying to distort things.
Both Prom and Artanis used the buddying argument which is an argument that you can only use to call people scum of whom you think they are buddying townies, cause I don't think that you would fear scum buddying scum, that doesn't make much sense. So it kinda showed me that Artanis had extra information about the people you supposedly buddied and was afraid of townies trusting each other so quickly.
Prom used the buddying argument too but it actually was consistent given his townread on Dandel.
It's hard for me to let go of my Artanis scumread given this reasoning, I'd rather believe Prom to be scum cause he so openly lies about me and ignores the replies. But the more the game goes on the more I notice he's being quite active and confrontational and asking question so I'm slowly moving towards the town end of things with him. I still want him to correct what he said about me "buddying" artanis and saying I didn't push my reads cause that's simply not true.
Dandel would be more of a policy lynch. His trolly, unreadable play didn't help anyone so I want him to play more pro-town and make himself more transparent. Now that people are asking him about me the process has seemingly started so I feel free to cut him out from my lynch choices.
Currently:
Artanis>Jay>Prom
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It sounds like you think Prome is town... should he even be on your lynch list?
As for Artanis, we'll agree to disagree for now, and I don't mind hearing more out of him.
Though can we both agree not to jump the gun on the lynch? I've played a TON of instant-lynch games on TL Mafia (5+), and quick, emotional lynches are very scum-favored. I see you and a lot of other players going down that road right now, and I've never seen it end well.
I'd like to see us not even considering lynching someone until the 48 hour mark. A calm and collected lynch decision has a pretty good shot of hitting scum, even on Day 1.
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On March 06 2013 08:22 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 08:12 Promethelax wrote:
Yes in fact I have played with Dan a decent amount. And hosted with him. We talk, I know him. I think he is town.
jay could you give me a three sentence explanation of what you think of Vivax.
Vivax my pizza-loving friend, could you tell me what you think of Jay. He's sure I'm scum and doesn't like Dandel but doesn't threaten him with a lynch to get him to play properly. Doesn't look as scummy as he usually does as town (lol). That's mainly when he jumps around and FoSes people for no reason forgetting about them some posts later, I'm thinking about Normal Mini IV . He is much more curious as town in that game and jumps a lot between reads as you see, also in opportunistic ways when he's about to get lynched. Here he wants to lynch me, sits back and talks a little badly about Dandel. Would lynch!
So wouldnt that make me town. Normal mini IV was a bad game for me. As i got mislynched i was too spammy that game. And I didn't consolidate to my reads at all. I just was raging people were gonna mislynch me. So i was willing to vote anyone that wasn't me. I have been trying to explain my reasoning this game and show my intentions. If you read other town games from me you can see my play better.
I'm not just talking badly about Dandel. I would of been fine to lynch him although his recent posting is not nearly as bad.. But the fact that you are so scummy holds my hand. You complete flip on Artanis was suspect. Even now hes your top scum read. But you wanted to get on his good side with wanted to lynch someone else. Also your point against me is really there. Why do you want to lynch me. Cause I have been playing more townie then the last game we were in?
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##Unvote
This isn't because I don't want to lynch Vivax. I do. he is scum. But What hapa said is true, we should use the length of the day to our advantage. We have control of the length of the day and we need some more input from our lurkier friends, Thrawn for instance. So for now I am unvoting because I believe in the 72 hour day one and a town in which everyone participates.
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@ Hapa
His overall behaviour starts to look better I think but him lying about me to justify a vote that looks like OMGUS and then ignoring all my replies is what I find scummy about him, so I prefer to stick to my scumread. Him being consistent with saying I buddied Dandel just means that he didn't make a mistake if he's scum, not that he's town. Artanis instead basically attacked you by saying you buddied with them, and it doesn't make sense that he read them all as town if you know what I mean, if you know what I mean.
@ Jay
On March 06 2013 04:30 Vivax wrote:
Huh. Me scum for not voting someone but then doing it? That's interesting... Meta sucks when you don't know how to use it.
I'm not too sure between jay and Prome currently but Prome just did something that I don't think I would see him doing as mafia. Jay instead is rather lurky that's not good. It makes sense to be scared to post as scum from his perspective.
My top priority remains Artanis as of now, I don't like how he hooked onto a bad argument to vote for me and his start into the game remains scummy.
On March 06 2013 04:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:35 Promethelax wrote:
Vivax, why do you prefer a vote on jay over a vote on Artanis? Can you walk me through a quick thought process on why Jay's lurking is scummier than Artanis picking up on something you think is a bad tell.
Also: go ahead and say it. Why am I town? I don't know how you misread my post, but it's Artanis > Jay > You . I said why I think jay is lurky as scum: He's afraid to get lynched like he does ~ 80 % of the times he's town, so he tries to play more carefully and posts less as scum.
I'm sick of having to paraphrase things I repeated over and over go read my filter before asking me questions seriously. This applies to everyone.
My concern with jay is that he's so careful and posts in a too thought out, economic way. I was basically the only one reading him as town in the Normal Mini I posted so I'm confident in my read.
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While I go grab dinner, can both of you (Prome and Vivax) try to talk out whatever it is you disagree with?
Also @ Prome
You went from "Hapa is scum" to agreeing with everything I've been saying over the course of 5 hours... what happened :3
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Prom comment on this please:
On March 06 2013 07:06 Vivax wrote:Buddying your former scumread = Scum agenda LOL. + Show Spoiler +In the first place, doing something like this as scum is massively counterproductive, you shit by yourself on the fake cases you wrote and attract attention. 0/10. When it wasn't buddying at all but asking Artanis if he would support your lynch. + Show Spoiler +Cause asking someone nicely if they would support a lynch on another scum-read of yours = buddying
SCUMJAY IN DESSERT MAFIA
I can roughly state that he asks way less questions and makes way more statements as mafia. Rather giving out firm opinions and defending himself is his meta there, and it looks quite similar to this one and especially different from Normal Mini's town meta.
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Btw the underlined thing is a link to his filter.
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Going to sleep, guess I should unvote..
I'm still down for lynching vivax or jay.
Toodles.
##Unvote
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On March 06 2013 09:01 Hapahauli wrote:
While I go grab dinner, can both of you (Prome and Vivax) try to talk out whatever it is you disagree with?
Also @ Prome
You went from "Hapa is scum" to agreeing with everything I've been saying over the course of 5 hours... what happened :3
You started saying shit I agreed with. My read evolved. I didn't like the way you started and I didn't feel you were pressuring like a Hapa I know and love. After I accused you you started playing way better and more towards what I expect from you. Also you started saying things I agreed with, which made you much townier in my eyes.
Vivax: I haven't talked about your responses to my case on you be ause all that has happened is you have called me a liar when I was accurately representing your play. I'm not changing that read because nothing has changed you are still scum for the same reasons I said you were earlier. The only person I'd lynch besides you right now is jay and I'd prefer you swing first.
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Lies by Prom, unfolded
On March 06 2013 05:37 Promethelax wrote:
-snipped-
Vivax doesn't want Artanis lynched. He is trying to work with Artanis to get me lynched. He hasn't been pushing his reads and is scum.
Vote vivax. Vote for scum.
On March 05 2013 23:57 Vivax wrote:
Well anyway, people I would lynch currently: Artanis, Prom, jay. Let's see what happens soon. Jay and Prom cause of exclusion, Artanis cause I can't unsee what I found scummy and he seems afraid to call Hapa scum after our confrontation.
But I'll see how he plays the day out, in the meantime I'll favour him over the others.
##Unvote
##Vote Artanis
On March 06 2013 04:30 Vivax wrote:
Huh. Me scum for not voting someone but then doing it? That's interesting... Meta sucks when you don't know how to use it.
I'm not too sure between jay and Prome currently but Prome just did something that I don't think I would see him doing as mafia. Jay instead is rather lurky that's not good. It makes sense to be scared to post as scum from his perspective.
My top priority remains Artanis as of now, I don't like how he hooked onto a bad argument to vote for me and his start into the game remains scummy.
On March 06 2013 04:47 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:35 Promethelax wrote:
Vivax, why do you prefer a vote on jay over a vote on Artanis? Can you walk me through a quick thought process on why Jay's lurking is scummier than Artanis picking up on something you think is a bad tell.
Also: go ahead and say it. Why am I town? I don't know how you misread my post, but it's Artanis > Jay > You . I said why I think jay is lurky as scum: He's afraid to get lynched like he does ~ 80 % of the times he's town, so he tries to play more carefully and posts less as scum.
On March 06 2013 04:49 Vivax wrote:
[iamp]
The wagon of justice is placed on Artanis today.
Lynch the scum.
There are no excuses
[/iamp]
On March 06 2013 05:05 Vivax wrote:Oh shit doublepost sorry BH have mercy please please. Well that makes it more iampy doesn't it. I had to lend iamp's power for this one. To add something more substantial to this: I'll make a recap of what I found scummy about artanis. - Enters the thread first joking then immediately going serious mode on Hapa.
- Posts something about Hapa that actually made him likely town in my eyes and calls it buddying, not giving out townreads.
- You can only call it buddying when you think/know the people he gave townreads to are town. In totes, I disliked the whole buddying argument.
- He reacted strongly defensive to a simple FoS and my following posts and didn't actively tried to persuade me that Hapa's actions were scummy.
- When asked about his stance on Hapa he didn't want to commit and I read that as fearful. Why does he ask Hapa questions about something if he doesn't think it's scummy?
- He sheeps Hapa's bad argument against me "Oh I didn't see that point before"-style, that looks convenient and not like he sincerely reads me as scum.
Will post arguments for why I think Hapa is town where Artanis said he saw buddying and also why the way of Artanis attacking that post was scummy when I feel like and when I got enough feedback on Arta.
In the meantime, discussing whether a FoS is a massive difference in psychology like Artanis wants me to is so abysmal I refuse to do that. He confirmed by himself I used that as both alignments and - Bends that to his purposes of calling me scum by noticing irrelevant differences.
I made a huge recap of the points against Artanis 20 minutes before you said I didn't push his lynch and worked with him to get you lynched.
You lied and you still refuse to admit it. Saying I buddied him for asking him if he wants to lynch you is the other one.
On March 06 2013 05:31 Vivax wrote:Artanis you only had eyes and posts for me this game who else would you see as scum. You mentioned jay somewhat for not contributing and you're unwilling to go for Prom since he's posting more.
Would you have a problem if we lynch Prom today?Show nested quote +On March 06 2013 04:35 Promethelax wrote:
Vivax, why do you prefer a vote on jay over a vote on Artanis? Can you walk me through a quick thought process on why Jay's lurking is scummier than Artanis picking up on something you think is a bad tell.
Also: go ahead and say it. Why am I town? There's this question pending. I didn't say you're town I said you did something that put you below jay: You asked Artanis if he had another scumread besides me but then refused to comment on what's going on between us so far despite you asking both of us questions. That does make you scummy cause appearing interested on the surface but disinterested in the substance. Artanis we lynch Prom today do you disagree?##Unvote
##Vote Promethelax
The underlined parts you called buddying.
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You think all I've done is lie about you and yet you don't think I'm scum? yeah, you need to die.
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I would lynch you immediately. I just need a majority. I don't get how you can spout out wrong things so bluntly.
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