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Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up.
But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual.
As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking.
iamp,
Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment.
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On March 16 2013 05:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:11 austinmcc wrote:
Nah, he's not number one. Foolishness and Vivax both higher up.
But there have to be more, and there are people that are flying under the radar that I am not used to doing so. Like stutters being absent, crossfire being heavily absent, business as usual. iamp feeling absent, not business as usual.
As in, I'm not sold on slOosh, prplhz gets town points for having his vote be stolen and for having some reasonable and thoughtful posts when the thread has gotten weird (response to the cora flip mainly), so I gotta keep looking.
iamp,
Timestamps. That post is like 13 hours after your foolishness/ver comment. Why do you say this is business as usual for town Crossfire? Eh? You disagree?
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Like in PU crossfire was gone for what felt like half the game. I feel like I remember him being somewhat absent in a newbie I played with him, but he posted more substantially when he was there.
I know he's been silly-lurky in a game I played with him as mafia, but he's always felt lurky to me in town games as well.
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No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games.
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On March 16 2013 05:25 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:24 austinmcc wrote:
No, never read WLIAA all the way through, apart from checking some filters when they were relevant to other games. Just take a browse through Crossfire's filter and look at the quality of his posts. Remember in PU he had a mason claim in his back pocket. The quality is higher than here. The quality is also higher in the newbie that I played with him than it is here.
But if you think he was super active, he's got 3 pages of filter there over like 8 or 9 days. Here he's almost filled 3. I do usually find his posts to have more stuffz, but WLIAA isn't really an example of him being super-active, as far as I can see by just vague stamp-math.
The activity is neither here nor there. I was just using him as an example though, as someone I'm not used to seeing spam thread whereas I'm used to more posts and whatnot from iamp. If you're pushing crossfire on me, you're gonna have a hard sell. You're looking at the nuke stuff differently than I am, and I get townier feelings from slOosh and crossfire than you do.
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On March 16 2013 05:47 marvellosity wrote:
We know how those feelings usually turn out
Well-played 
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On March 16 2013 05:58 Dandel Ion wrote:
party sucked but I'm drunk now.
I'll try my best and not post anything.
Classic syllo
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On March 16 2013 05:59 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2013 05:50 austinmcc wrote:On March 16 2013 05:47 marvellosity wrote:
We know how those feelings usually turn out Well-played I still like to hear about your mafia-reads though. Just so far you're cycling through people I think are pretty likely to be town (Oats, iamp). Yeah, I don't love a lot of the options.
I end up coming to something odd like Foolishness/Vivax/risk.nuke/?/iamp, or replacing iamp with another. I have ideas about ?, but that has to wait.
risk sticks out because I couldn't get a solid read on him yesterday, and strongandbig's tally of townie/scummy points kind of summed up my feelings nicely. But looking back over him today, I get a stronger vibe. Specifically, here's basically the sum total of risk.nuke since he partway through yesterday:
On March 14 2013 19:24 risk.nuke wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 19:16 risk.nuke wrote:
No, Foolishness haven't done anything to impress me. His longer posts are mostly just roleplaying fluff and It's not enough to convince me. The fact that his claimed role sounds like bullshit is just a bonus.
Vivax is playing like a retard. There in lies the problem because I have a hard time cyphering if he's scum playing like a retard as a shield to excuse himself or if he really just is stupid.
I wouldn't like to lynch yamato either at this point.
I might be swayed to lynch Crossfire or Cora.
Actually, I'll revalue my secondary lynch candidates. TBC Here's him voluntarily saying "Ah, I'll reconsider my reads." He never does. He responds to my post on him, strongandbig's post on him, but he doesn't ever do this. He's got no interest in the lynch, more or less, and no interest in really being up front with his reads, which is disturbing to me.
The reads that he DOES have are...not impressive.
On March 14 2013 19:16 risk.nuke wrote:
Vivax is playing like a retard. There in lies the problem because I have a hard time cyphering if he's scum playing like a retard as a shield to excuse himself or if he really just is stupid.
On March 15 2013 02:12 risk.nuke wrote:
Sloosh's role and they way he used it (while dumb and mostly chaotic) is both a townrole and he used it in a way that provided the town with information. Pretty certain he is town.
Acrofales firsts posts are scummy. His later post gets better and he appears to be scumhunting but not strictly in a way that's hard for mafia to do, I don't have enough information to determine if it's legitimate yet. I don't want to lynch him yet. I think in time he will prove himself town or get caught.
This is really it. Vivax might be scum. Acro might be scum. slOosh is town, foolishness is mafia (not shown), and cora/cross I will re-evaluate but never do.
So he's both not making real reads, and promising reads that never come. But beyond the reads, here are his reactions to the lynch and to cora's 2nd flip.
On March 15 2013 16:37 risk.nuke wrote:
So foolish actually was unlynchable. I don't think he's town from how he's playing and but now I'm not to sure he's scum based on him actually being unlynchable with the general consensus to kill him and letting cdg get killed in his stead. Which leaves third party.
On March 16 2013 00:08 risk.nuke wrote:
So do we trust that announcement or the daypost?
Grey, you didn't mess up in the daypost did you? And again, single comment on the lynch. Single comment on the announcement this morning, which isn't even a comment. "Which do we trust?" is ... a very tame way to look at someone flipping two different alignments, and at all the discussion that followed.
I don't know what amount of activity or reads or posts or anything is reasonable to tell town risk from scum risk. What I know is that he's basically done jack, and some of the points where he chimes in dont' look like anything at all. Question + no follow-up to someone flipping TWICE. Not curious. Feels even less than unsure, because he doesn't appear to ACTUALLY be trying to figure out how he wants to interpret the flip. Just to chime in, make it seem like he don't know whassup, and then go byebye.
I like scumrisk way more than scumslOosh.
+ Show Spoiler +SUPER MEGA BONUS POINT: risk is one of the few playes that Foolishness ever comments on. Shortly after nuking yamato, Foolishness drops On March 13 2013 18:53 Foolishness wrote:
risk.nuke is clean as long as he stays active. Earlier Foolishness said: You have any other reads since then? As I said in the thread, if risk.nuke keeps up activity level then he's town. If he keeps posting at the rate he has been posting at he's mafia. He has done this thing before (go inactive and act suspicious for a day). When he's town he will come back and be active and redeem himself. I wouldn't vigi him yet, but he'd be a good person to look at in another day or two. Only two times he appears in Foolishness's filter. Read is based PURELY on activity. After nuking yamato he just offhandedly comments on risk, drops it.
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On March 16 2013 06:41 marvellosity wrote:
ok austin, I like that risk stuff a lot more. It's actually provided me with some fresh insight (no offence to your previous posts :p)
What do you make of the risk having a nuke but not nuking and not being mentioned by slOosh and all that surrounding business? Sorry, headed home.
Eh. Foolishness and Vivax already had nukes. 3 scummers being handed nukes overnight (i'm not counting crossfire here), they know SOMETHING is up. Surely there's no power out there that just generates the power to nuke that much of the thread in a single night.
Probably no need to fire all three off at targets you want to kill then. Beyond that, it's all pure speculation. Like, slOosh knows they aren't real and is testing people. But in sending them ALL to scum suspects, scum isn't just gonna go "OH HEY NUKES!" and fire them all off. I really like the thought process, and the explanation of the plan from slOosh. But only targeting people you find scummy makes it more likely they figure SOMETHING is up, and can do whatever they want to muck up your results. If nothing else, risk drastically less active since the nuke business. Don't fire nuke --> he comes out looking townie --> byebye risk.
All that says "nothing definitive." And in typing that out, it weakens my crossfire read because, again, scum aren't entirely in the dark. Town doesn't know that the first nuke is fake, that someone didn't have a nuke as part of their role, etc. Scum gets a bunch overnight, something's up. Grrrrrrrr.
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gg all.
We're not lynching stutters today. Anyone who continues to argue hard for a stutters lynch is mafia. stutters MIGHT be mafia. Aspects of his play are scummy. But if you're arguing that, with all the information we had + everything we learn from the NKs that we should be lynching stutters in lylo, you're mafia or just being dumb.
Everyone should, at the very least, reread Foolishness's posts. We were wrong. We have zombie supersoft's posts to look at, and we have Foolishness's posts. That's two strong town players that were around a while. We don't need to be sheeping their reads, especially as either one or both (and likely both, given the deaths last night) of supersoft's sure mafia are town, but before we fill the thread with crap, read their stuff.
I'm currently of the mind that today's lynch is probably marv, DP, vivax.
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On March 17 2013 01:41 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 01:37 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 01:36 prplhz wrote:
yes you have, a roleclaim will make me reconsider. do you have any reason not to roleclaim? I have no reason to roleclaim, and if you're dumb enough to vote for me on the basis of that, your vote isn't worth worrying about anyway. seriously. if you're town, you're dead tonight. i don't believe in any more protective roles. you also don't have a power yourself to survive because you would have used that on day1. i'd like to know your role so i can see if it makes sense to me how you have used it so far. so can we please see a roleclaim. there's no reason not to. This actually sounds entirely reasonable and logical.
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No chance that any of you are hapa or keirathi smurfing on someone?
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On March 17 2013 02:05 marvellosity wrote:
In all seriousness, we kill Crossfire (or DP) today, they flip mafia, it's still lylo tomorrow and i'm left alive. What then?
This stinks. You're a more-than-solid mafia player. You know that. You enjoy that. But yet you are saying that you're town, going to finally start lynching mafia, and then they will leave you alive tonight? This isn't the marv that I know, who should have been assuming that every night from N1 he was going to be killed.
I have tried to be the police. That hasn't worked. So let's try something else. austinmcc wright, thread lawyer.
OATS - Have you ever played in a game with scummarv before? If so, which? If so, on a scale of -10 (Modconfirmed scum) to +10 (Modconfirmed townie) how did you read him?
WHOLE THREAD - Was anyone roleblocked N1?
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Okay. Thank you for the answers.
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This is a write-up from hapahauli on catching scummarv in a game where he got lynched as scum.
The hapa write-up is less than ideal for this game, as the intro notes. Why is it less than ideal? I'm not telling you, go read the dang post.
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[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 05:17 marvellosity wrote:
[QUOTE]On March 17 2013 02:12 austinmcc wrote:
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have you never seen a town-marv with his confidence knocked before? when I'm absolutely certain on something and I'm wrong (rare but it happens) then I need time to get my confidence back and reorientate.
[/QUOTE]I saw the combination of wrong reads + a cycle of yelling back and forth with VE. I believe that's the closest thing I've seen, and it was also a while back.
yamato, you've got the wrong of this particular argument. There's SOME merit there, in that yes, you can use that as a general metric, and marv while joking around in themed didn't play his normal game (imo). But generally marv is decisive as BOTH alignments, and so, to the extent you find him a "wimpy baby," it's indicative oh him not playing like normal, rather than him being a particular alignment.
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On March 17 2013 05:39 austinmcc wrote:Show nested quote +On March 17 2013 05:17 marvellosity wrote:On March 17 2013 02:12 austinmcc wrote:
stuff have you never seen a town-marv with his confidence knocked before? when I'm absolutely certain on something and I'm wrong (rare but it happens) then I need time to get my confidence back and reorientate. I saw the combination of wrong reads + a cycle of yelling back and forth with VE. I believe that's the closest thing I've seen, and it was also a while back. yamato, you've got the wrong of this particular argument. There's SOME merit there, in that yes, you can use that as a general metric, and marv while joking around in themed didn't play his normal game (imo). But generally marv is decisive as BOTH alignments, and so, to the extent you find him a "wimpy baby," it's indicative oh him not playing like normal, rather than him being a particular alignment.
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yamato. Here is a list of everyone who is saying "townmarv doesn't push lynches":
See that list? It's nobody. Nobody is saying that. What I am saying here is that "townmarv pushes lynches" AND "scummarv pushes lynches" are true.
This is not a case of townmarv pushes lynches, marv isn't pushing lynches, marv is scum. This is a case of townmarv pushes lynches, scummarv pushes lynches, marv isn't pushing lynches, marv is
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On March 17 2013 05:48 yamato77 wrote:
Stop over-thinking this. This IS NOT town marvellosity. I know it for a fact.
Quoted for later purposes.
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