Personality Mafia 2 - Page 7

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 14:50 GMT

#3427

On March 15 2013 23:47 marvellosity wrote:
austin, we need to agree on things more often, so that you can write what I want in an eloquent fashion.

It's just roleplay.

After this game, clock strikes 12, and I start rambling again and arguing with you at every turn.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 14:52 GMT

#3432

Specifically, as to oats, I know that he's always bouncing around, I remember always finding that scummy and him always flipping town.

Does he tend to bounce around from single target to single target? Or does he weave whoever he is scummy on atm into some kind of larger narrative, make lists, find scumteams? If anyone knows, save me the trouble plox.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 14:55 GMT

#3436

On March 15 2013 23:54 marvellosity wrote:
One other thing to think about, austin, I have no idea why I didn't bring it up at the time - if I were mafia sending in some action to steal a vote, I'd probably avoid the thread during the time I'm doing so.

I can honestly say there's a good chance I wouldn't think of it. Not sure this would hold true for everyone.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 15:09 GMT

#3451

On March 16 2013 00:08 risk.nuke wrote:
So do we trust that announcement or the daypost?

Grey, you didn't mess up in the daypost did you?

^

The nightpost DID say there would be an announcement...so I guess this is it?

I'm less worried about messing up one of the posts than this being some kind of broadcaster or whatever a "magic marker" does. Coloring people's names in wrong?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 15:18 GMT

#3473

Oats, I like to speculate so much because it's all part of the puzzle. I like the puzzle aspect of the game.

Based on your filter, and what people are saying, you're off the hook. It's not cause you don't make big paragraphs. It's because, often, I don't follow your leaps and suspicions. If I can't follow them, I tend to assume they're fabricated and you're scum just trying to be active/have a bunch of scumreads for mislynch targets.

My MAIN reason to think you're scum this game, as of now, is the prplhz vote steal. You fit that bill best imo. That's an important thing, that people need to not forget, but it's not the main issue for now. Bigger things afoot.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 15:21 GMT

#3478

On March 16 2013 00:18 strongandbig wrote:
I was town and just got called scum in my flip it would take longer than that to figure out what happened. this could be wrong if everyone involved had superfast pm reaction time but w/e

On March 16 2013 00:18 marvellosity wrote:
Why would mafia death frame a townie as mafia just to reveal him as town later ? That makes absolutely no sense.

Maybe the reveal wasn't specified? Bugs had troll abilities, but that fit him playing as Chezinu. Maybe we've got other trolls out there whose abilities don't work as indicated?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 15:35 GMT

#3498

On March 16 2013 00:25 Vivax wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On March 16 2013 00:23 marvellosity wrote:

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My point is this.

If Corazon flips townie with the nightpost, I look awful immediately. We can agree on this yes? There's no arguing with the hosts, there's no speculation on any abilities, I simply look awful.

In this scenario, there's a lot of doubt about what happened, enough in fact that I'm still pretty convinced Corazon was mafia. Why do it in a manner that makes me look less bad than if Corazon had simply flipped townie in the nightpost?

Exactly cause it makes you look less bad.
And WIFOMWIFOMWIFOM.

We don't talk about this derp ability. We talk about reads now. Marv got a townie lynched, Foolishness defended him. Take your pick.

Again, not EVERYTHING is nonsense.

It IS all wifom. Plexa didn't send it, we've seen 2 plexa messages and both come from him, not "MODERATOR MESSAGE." So either it's 100% legit, or there's some OTHER way to fake messages. Plus the OP update means you're not talking about a message, you'd need to be able to fundamentally change someone's flip and have it reflected like that in the OP.

Whatever it means, a power that actually changes a flip in the OP when it's not a bastard game or hidden flip or anything else flip-based means that, most likely, the second flip is true. Cora was town.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 15:37 GMT

#3504

Cora did stuff. cora's play makes little sense from EITHER alignment, honestly, although more from mafia given the absurd tunnel.

But you're not considering everything. cora isn't the only actor here. The hosts/mods added a message and updated the OP.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 15:40 GMT

#3511

On March 16 2013 00:38 Vivax wrote:

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Both hosts lying to you? That's a conspiracy theory austin.

Read my post, although I'll admit it was a little unclear.

Should have read "Not EVERYTHING (vivax says) is nonsense." I was agreeing with you, to the extent that, at most, this is all a buncha WIFOM. But it seems much more likely hosts are lying all over the place and that cora was town.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 15:42 GMT

#3519

Anyone know off the top of their heads if the Caller power got used? And whether it altered the OP?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 16:02 GMT

#3549

Anyone not particular sure what just happened gets some townie points in my book.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 18:05 GMT

#3600

I am curious about all this sleeper cell stuff, but probably busy with work for a few hours. Too much time on this game this week.

stutters, the message you received says it's a one-shot deal? Does it say anything about whether you remain in the cell afterward?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 18:12 GMT

#3602

Yeah, most of the answers we need will come at resolution. A sleeper cell that adds members is just not something I like hearing about.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 18:59 GMT

#3610

On March 16 2013 03:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
Ok if your explanation is true.
WHAT IN THE WORLD IS THE POINT?

There is a point to the other way, because we may still assume that there are 5 mafia alive and that cora flipped town.

There is no point to conceal role for 12 hours only.
Its not a nerf, it makes it USELESS.

If it just covers up a flip for 12 hours, the point is THIS. All this discussion. We're continuing to discuss what some power MIGHT have been, instead of actually scumhunting.

It's not fantastically useFUL, but it's been more than useless, and if we don't scumhunt it continues to get more and more useful.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 19:37 GMT

#3625

marv, take a look at iamp's filter for a second.

Blind yourself to the bits where he supports you. Blind yourself to the parts where his reads line up with yours A LOT of the time.

Is town iamp....this unfocused? Some may be roleplaying, but actually read his filter critically. Especially during D2 when the thread didn't need any help being a mess. He's got a couple reads, and he talks about those when they come up, sometimes, but he just never ever goes out of his way to START anything. He never goes out of his way to comment on anything that isn't being commented on, and he's got NOTHING as far as...half or so of the thread is concerned.

It's all so short and terse that I can't get much from it, besides some associative stuff once we have more flips. But...is this iamp?

On March 14 2013 10:37 iamperfection wrote:

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i feel strongest about ver as well as fool still

i dont think cross is mafia that lynch deadline stuff still makes me think he is town

Yamato not playing is extremely concerning but i feel stronger about ver and fool

Thinks you're town. You parity checked those two as different. You telegraphed that, so decent chance there was a frame, but he wants to lynch both. No comment ever on whether he thinks there's a cover ability or something, he just doesn't update his read AT ALL from both scum during N1 --> opposite parity check from someone that seems to be a major town read.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 19:38 GMT

#3626

EBWOP: half or so of the thread should read "half or so of the players in the game"

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 19:46 GMT

#3632

In case that quotes bit was unclear, here's what I'm getting at.

iamp N1 has both Foolishness and Ver in his scum list
marv D2 comes back with a parity check on those two as different
iamp strongly believes marv to be town

iamp continues to push both Foolishness AND Ver. He does not explain why he does not trust the check.

That's fine, in and of itself. There were a lot of comments in the thread about how the check was telegraphed, and so there could be a frame or a rb. But we know marv wasn't roleblocked (PARANOIA PARANOIA: IF HE'S TOWN (WHICH HE PROBABLY IS)). And if the checks came back different, that means a frame doesn't explain both being scum.

If both were TOWN, you could frame one, have the parity check come back different, and lynch them BOTH. Get rid of 1 of 2 big scary players that you would not want to face as scum.

But if both were SCUM, you can't frame them to make the parity check come back different. You'd need a cover ability, or a framer that specifically can do both, which MIGHT be the case. Or a gf, which MIGHT be the case.

iamp just jumps into wanting to lynch BOTH players though. Despite the parity check, despite a roleblock not occurring, despite a regular frame + the check indicating that both are actually TOWN. So he's relying on one of them being a gf or one of them being covered, but nobody is really discussing those powers and he doesn't see fit to mention. He just carries his night scum reads over to day, without taking into account a parity check that a big town read got back.

Scum. Dude scum.

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 19:49 GMT

#3635

On March 16 2013 04:46 Promethelax wrote:

Show nested quote +

you wanted to ask me something?
What was it little thing?
I have not much time
so reply to my rhyme
before to work myself I must bring.

Yeah, but earlier. I read you over a couple times and felt a little better, was worried about the drop in activity, and was hoping to get you more involved so I could reassure myself further.

Like...supersoft, during yesterday, went from you being super super townie to moving you down his list. You were noticeably absent. Even if the rhymes are sometimes painful, you seem to be forced to condense your thoughts down and give short thoughts/directions. It works well, and we could use more of it.

What do you think about this iamp bit?

austinmcc

United States6737 Posts

March 15 2013 19:56 GMT

#3637

On March 16 2013 04:49 iamperfection wrote:
Why would you put any stock in the check Austin at all?

I put some stock in the check because it happened. How much stock I put in it is a factor of my read on marv, pure speculation that scum has a framer that can cover/gf/something else we don't know about, and ... assumptions about vet balance.

I care less about how much I trust the check than the fact that you just discard it without any mention. Like, whether you trust it, maybe trust it, dont' trust it at all, I can't tell WHAT you thought, only that you kept pushing both of them as scum without seeming to factor in the check. I dunno if you didn't notice, didn't care to comment, or knew the check was bogus.