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+ Show Spoiler [yamato's role use] +On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:
So why is yamato "the best kill"?
More importantly, yamato is not acting like his town play and is pushing mafia agendas. His day vigi shot day 1 is an incredibly anti-town thing to do. Put yourself in that situation, would you day vigi someone day 1 as a town-aligned role? Hell no. We don't have specifics about his role, but if you had the ability to mod-confirm someone in the thread would you do it day 1? Hell no what a waste cause the mafia just shoots that person. The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1 (no matter what his role PM told him).
This completely refuses to look at the scum-motivations for using it day 1, just the absence of supposed town-motivation. Kurumi is potentially a perfect person to announce as town as thread in day 1 and maybe make mafia waste a kill on him. Kurumi was a total liability - as town I fucking LOVE the idea that mafia might be shooting at a martrying Kurumi instead of VE, BC, me, supersoft... well almost anyone you like really. Foolish says there is no point in using the role day 1 as town. Well, what's the point as mafia? To get rid of a martrying liability for town, Kurumi? Is Foolishness arguing here that Kurumi was a positive town-force in the thread, and that town would be much better off with him around, continuously demanding votes and martrying himself? How is this even an argument? Mafia tend to hold their day-vig shots. Example is LX, where Chezinu waited until Day 2, to vig someone who was flying under the radar, but looked town, and more importantly was heavily pressuring mafia (Vivax). Vivax, the most impulsive player on TL Mafia, had a day-vig in Fruity Mafia but only used it on Day 2 to concede the game. Actually impulsive, rash shots are almost always the preserve of townies. Mattchew shooting 5 minutes into PYP: Redux. Some game long ago where VE got shot 15 minutes into the game. I'm sure there are other instances but generally speaking bad day-vig shots done in a bad manner are the preserve of townies, and not mafia. Foolishness has been around long enough to know all this, yet he's arguing otherwise. To reiterate, Foolish says "The point is that there is no reason for him to use that ability as town on day 1" yet history shows completely the opposite, townies use their day vigis freely, and mafia are much more scared and prone not to using them recklessly. Mafia want to look as good as possible with their shots, they want to mitigate damage. Mafia has no motivation to vigi someone who is shitting up the thread on Day 1.
Irrelevant to the real question at hand (alignments of marv and foolishness), and also not correct.
+ Show Spoiler [why is that incorrect] +Drazerk as antitown third party shot VE five minutes into Aperture. Mattchew would shoot someone at the start of the game if he was a scum dayvig too. That's analogous to mattchew deciding to claim self-aware miller without talking to his teammates or checking whether millers are or are not self-aware, after the host had already told other players they were not.
+ Show Spoiler [other stuff about yamato] +On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:
As stated by a few people (including myself) yamato is playing completely different from his town game. In his town game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults (if he thinks you're an asshat, you are guaranteed to find out about it). And more importantly, he's always helpful when he's town. He says what he thinks and pushes his reads. This can be seen in Town Ain't Big Enough mafia. However in Fruity Mini mafia (when he's mafia), he sits back and let's the town do it's thing; he doesn't contribute.
So overall yamato is not playing like he does when he's town. He's not helping us, and his day 1 vigi shot was incredibly anti-town. If he was town there was no reason for him to do what he did. In his town-game he is more abrasive and direct about his insults and we'd know about it? Let's see shall we? Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 01:21 yamato77 wrote:
Holy fuck you guys wasted a ton of pages saying nothing.
Is it sad that the best town player since I went to bed last night has been Oats?
Also, everyone calling out Acro for voting Ver is ridiculous. That post was bad and he should feel bad.
I feel like no one saying anything of any significance about VE and his idiocy at the start of the game is disturbing. Why did he react the way he did to me randomly calling him mafia? Why did he fall in line with Corazon to attack me for very little reason? VE acting weird to start the game. People aside from super have ignored him and I am annoyed by it.
Bugs, if you're town, I suggest you quit the useless posting. It's fine to roleplay and all, but I want SOME sort of reads/hidden analysis in there. Right now it's just nonsense. Show nested quote +On March 11 2013 06:59 yamato77 wrote:On March 11 2013 05:59 cDgCorazon wrote:
Hmmm...guess who has decided to lurk now that other targets are being hunted? Yamato and Acro...
##Vote: Yamato
Gonna start scumhunting? i'm at work you asshatit's in my filter What I will do is solve this Kurumi problem right now. HE LITERALLY USES THE WORD ASSHAT THAT FOOLISH SAYS HE USES WHEN HE IS TOWN. Show nested quote +On March 12 2013 02:56 yamato77 wrote:
I was at work while I was doing the stuff with my role.
It's in my filter, you lazy, scummy dumbasses. On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:
There's more in his filter, go look for yourselves. I think I've adequately described how what FOolishness is saying is complete bollocks. He IS doing the things that FOolish is saying he does as town, yet Foolish is calling him mafia.
okay i get this part. the implication being that foolishness as town would make more sense?
+ Show Spoiler [stuff about crossfire] +On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:
Also consider the fact that crossfire was in no danger of getting killed at the moment. If he was about to get lynched I can see sending out a nuke as a last ditch effort to survive or make something happen (hey I just kinda did it, though my motivation is way different). It was completely out of the blue, just as yamato's day vigi was completely out of the blue.
I analyzed this guy day 1 but didn't come up with anything conclusive. On one hand he hadn't done anything to exhibit being mafia, but nothing striking to say he was for sure town either. With his nuke shot we now know where his agenda is and what side of the town he's on. The first paragraph he's using here is an argument that because Crossfire was in no danger of getting lynched, he'd purposefully put himself immensely in the spotlight as mafia by launching a nuke at Foolishness. This makes little to no sense. Further, slOosh's explanation of his role was that he made the PMs he sent sound like the receivers of the nukes HAD to use them or bad things would happen. So he was compelled to use the nuke. But Foolishness glosses over this completely. And to the "out of the blue" comment. Apart from what I just wrote, I will reiterate that town are usually impulsive and doing things out of the blue. Mafia sit back and blend in, townies have no fear. This is really basic mentality stuff that Foolishness fails to grasp, or rather is twisting in a ridiculous fashion to fit his narrative. Dandel Ion commented very well on the 2nd paragraph I quoted here. We should all be able to agree that Crossfire on Day 1 was playing quite far outside of his town meta. And yet he's calling it inconclusive. He then again uses the faulty nuke logic to call him mafia. No no no. On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:
Do you remember earlier in the game when supersoft said a good case provides pros and cons? Of course Foolishness fails to mention Crossfire's behaviour at the deadline, he also fails to mention how Crossfire behaved with his explanations about the nukes. Like austin (and others?) pointed out, he came across as genuine and sincere here, but of course this is missed out entirely.
foolishness's town cases don't do this kind of pros and cons stuff. Example: clicky. I don't think many people's cases ever do; they're trying to persuade people, not walk them through their thinking. This point is not good.
+ Show Spoiler [corazon stuff] +On March 15 2013 00:31 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 14 2013 08:07 Foolishness wrote:cDgCorazon I'm also confident is town because he's playing to his semi-trolly town meta as seen here. When he's mafia he's completely serious as seen here. Corazon. The only at all trolly thing that Corazon has done this game is to do his King Of Hearts thing, which is VERY EVIDENTLY part of his role. How is he using this as a comparison to past games? If we take out his role-related King of Hearts thing, Corazon is quite clearly playing very, in fact far too, seriously, which here Foolishness himself admits is how he plays mafia. I've talked about Corazon enough, but to remind you, his constant questions to town of "are you SURE there isn't someone scummier than me?", his blind tunnel on yamato, and his refusal to comment on Foolishness are all damning. To repeat, according to Foolishness' own analysis, Corazon IS playing a 'serious' game apart from his stupid role-related stuff. THere is literally no light-heartedness, he's cursing people, he's refusing to play, he's martrying, he's refusing to engage in conversation. This is fun, trolly, town Corazon according to Foolish? What a load of shit. The rest of his post is regarding me, which I will make in a separate post to expose more of this guy's nonsense.
This part is good at persuading me that foolishness is wrong.
Marv - we can all tell that foolishness wasn't paying enough attention to the thread
But none of this is the meat that I'm really looking for, Marv. I don't really want you to pick apart his cases on other people. We've all noted that they were subpar and that it's odd that while his best case argumentation was on why you are scum, he called for the other two lynches first. But what I need is some response to his answers to your case.
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On March 15 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 15 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:On March 15 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Is there a situation that both Foolishness and Marv are town and that we need to look elsewhere?
Like, YAMATO!!!!
if you actually read my post, it should be pretty clear already that Foolishness isn't town You are wrong on occasion. I just dont think Fool is scum, and I dont think Marv is scum. You know I like you a lot, so in the nicest way possible - I'm much more likely to be right than you, and you know that.
Foolishness is also much more likely to be right than me too, and I thought you were town.
I wish he would come back though. You being active is better cause you are active..
NADA TALK TO ME
nope too busy working out
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On March 15 2013 00:40 austinmcc wrote:
If anyone can get a legitimately strong read on risk.nuke without using activity level or associations concerning who he's been pushing/defending, then they're seeing something I'm not.
i will take your challenge
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The point about Crossfire, s&b, is that he refuses to account for the 'townie' things that Crossfire has done. If his case had explained why the things that the rest of the thread perceived as townie (last minute deadline, nuke reaction) then I'd understand.
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EBWOP why the things that the rest of the thread perceived as townie were in fact not
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On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine.
I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged.
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strongandbig, do you contend then that mafia are more impulsive than town with their actions? I think you know that's blatantly untrue.
You know that's untrue because of how crafted your miller claim was in Death Note. You know this is true because you're more impulsive as town yourself.
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On March 15 2013 01:07 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote:On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged.
this just means you're not very good dear.
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Oats what is your case on Yamato? Why did you try and imply that Yamato was scum without actually saying it? Why did your town read on Yamato from earlier change? Why have you ignored every question I have asked you?
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Day Two Update
Foolishness (10): marvellosity, Dandel Ion, HiroPro, Promethelax, Oatsmaster, marvellosity, strongandbig, Dandel Ion, Oatsmaster, austinmcc, Acrofales, Promethelax, iamperfection, yamato77, Mocsta, Crossfire99, risk.nuke
cDgCorazon (3): Acrofales, marvellosity, Acrofales cDgCorazon, SlOosh
Yamato77 (1): cDgCorazon, Foolishness, Vivax, cDgCorazon, SlOosh
Vivax (1): marvellosity, Dandel Ion, Crossfire99, Oatsmaster, Promethelax, Acrofales, prplhz
Dandel Ion (0): Vivax
Please let me know if you notice a mistake. 11 hours remain in the cycle
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On March 15 2013 01:09 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:07 strongandbig wrote:On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote:On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged. this just means you're not very good dear.
As an EBWOP to this it probably means that strongandbig is town.
There was a game where s&b was mafia..... er..... Chrono Trigger? where s&b said he could read me quite easily early on. The fact he's saying the direct opposite now strongly indicates that this is a town s&b, much more paranoid about my alignment.
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On March 15 2013 01:07 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote:On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged.
no you definitely can. that was the reason why i checked him in death note - he wasn't interested in what was going on at all. and then he was kira so that fucked it up -_-
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Why is Oats calling Foolishness Town whilst continuing to have his vote parked on foolishness?
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On March 15 2013 01:04 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:57 marvellosity wrote:On March 15 2013 00:56 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 15 2013 00:53 marvellosity wrote:On March 15 2013 00:52 Oatsmaster wrote:
Is there a situation that both Foolishness and Marv are town and that we need to look elsewhere?
Like, YAMATO!!!!
if you actually read my post, it should be pretty clear already that Foolishness isn't town You are wrong on occasion. I just dont think Fool is scum, and I dont think Marv is scum. You know I like you a lot, so in the nicest way possible - I'm much more likely to be right than you, and you know that. Foolishness is also much more likely to be right than me too, and I thought you were town. I wish he would come back though. You being active is better cause you are active.. NADA TALK TO ME nope too busy working out
dat's not Nada.
clearly scummy lies.
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On March 15 2013 01:11 DarthPunk wrote:
Why is Oats calling Foolishness Town whilst continuing to have his vote parked on foolishness?
Why are you not reading the thread?
On March 15 2013 00:47 DarthPunk wrote:
So vivax. Why are you answering questions for oats? Oats are you calling yamato scum?
yes.
On March 15 2013 01:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Oats what is your case on Yamato? Why did you try and imply that Yamato was scum without actually saying it? Why did your town read on Yamato from earlier change? Why have you ignored every question I have asked you?
I dont have a case. I didnt imply so I said that he could be an alternative lynch target. My read changed cause my read on foolishness changed. You only asked one question.
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On March 15 2013 01:11 HiroPro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:07 strongandbig wrote:On March 15 2013 00:39 HiroPro wrote:On March 15 2013 00:28 yamato77 wrote:On March 15 2013 00:23 HiroPro wrote:
i don't think foolishness is unlynchable. he is either lying to stall time or he has some kind of limited power similar to what prplhz said he had.
his case on marvel is mostly just either misrepresentation or does not even have anything to do with being mafia. notice how he ignores the game that is similar in style to this (LVIII) and instead focuses on a much older game, notice how he cherrypicks posts from parallel worlds that appear very calm and collected in the "trap" part and ignores the more emotional stuff.
kill foolishness.
also does anyone even remember that stutters is playing in this game? he has not mentioned a single thing about what is going on today or taken a stance on whether foolishness is scum, only dropped in twice to say nothing. Yes, Foolish dies today. I think Stutters being afk is standard Stutters, but I will give his filter a look see. You have been pushing him all game. What are some other reads. If you take the Foolish thing out of the equation, how do you view Marvellosity? marvel is town to me even if i ignore foolishness being there. he just has much more interest when he is town and feels genuine. I don't believe that you can accurately read marv based only on feelings and interest. i've been in or read games with him where he was scum and seemed totally interested and engaged. no you definitely can. that was the reason why i checked him in death note - he wasn't interested in what was going on at all. and then he was kira so that fucked it up -_-
the endgame post there might still be my favourite thing in all of mafia. Along with the Shady/Mementoss death flavour that the hosts marvellously did at my command.
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Just to elaborate on what I said about s&b. This is mafia s&b on Day 1 of Chrono Trigger:
On November 22 2012 08:22 strongandbig wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2012 04:44 Toadesstern wrote:
Hey S&B what's your take on how Marv's acting so far? oh also I forgot to answer this I liked his takedown of cave johnson I also think marv is way more egotistical as scum than he is as town, it's something about the "bwahahaha fools i'll kill you all" mentality. so the fact that he's not running for king of daventry makes me think he's probably town.
Why do you ask about marv specifically? why ask me?
On November 23 2012 03:35 strongandbig wrote:
holy shit
this thread
Anyone interested in a late switch to Marv? I've got a pretty strong town read on him right now, and I can't say that I like Syllo's election platform.
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It's easy to have good reads as scum.
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Exactly. And I've done far more to warrant being called town this game than I did in Chrono, and yet s&b is still suspicious of me. Seems like a towntell.
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On March 15 2013 01:13 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:11 DarthPunk wrote:
Why is Oats calling Foolishness Town whilst continuing to have his vote parked on foolishness? Why are you not reading the thread? Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 00:47 DarthPunk wrote:
So vivax. Why are you answering questions for oats? Oats are you calling yamato scum? yes. Show nested quote +On March 15 2013 01:09 DarthPunk wrote:
Oats what is your case on Yamato? Why did you try and imply that Yamato was scum without actually saying it? Why did your town read on Yamato from earlier change? Why have you ignored every question I have asked you? I dont have a case. I didnt imply so I said that he could be an alternative lynch target. My read changed cause my read on foolishness changed. You only asked one question.
Hmm. I don't think I have read or could read anything that would rationalise a vote on someone you have called town a few times now.
But forgive me. I replaced in 2 hours ago and have not yet managed to read every post in this thread. That is obviously my fault so I will try and do better.
You don't have a 'case'. You didn't even IMPLY having a case (although in my opinion that is implied when calling for a lynch) but you believe that yamato is scum correct? You surely must to propose him as a lynch target. If that is the case then you must have a reason for thinking he is scum. What is the reason?
Why did you try to imply Yamato was scum without saying so when he stated he skimmed the thread?
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