Newbie Mini Mafia XXXVIII - Page 67

On March 09 2013 09:58 Mocsta wrote:
Vote Count

nobodywonder (5): ], ChewOnStu (Geript), Matriarch(Sn0_Man), MLuneth, Krafla, Arctic Daishi
Arctic Daishi (7): WaveofShadow, TheRavensName, bduddy, OmniEulogy, MeatlessTaco, Frorgon, nobodywonder
Frorgon (1): Rainbows

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Arctic Daishi is currently set to be lynched. 0 hours until the deadline. Voting is mandatory. Please remember to bold your votes, and to unvote if you've previously voted for someone else.

On March 07 2013 23:12 Matriarch wrote:
Good morning!
Meatless, if I HAD to pick someone to lynch right now I am afraid I would have to choose you. I don't understand why your knee jerk reaction to my earlier question was very pro-town. Yes, this is a game of mafia but we ARE supposed to be helping our neighbors. This is a newbie game and we are still learning AND how are we supposed to find scum without help from each other?
Also, you seem to be pushing really hard for these early uneducated votes. The game has just begun, we have a lot of time left in the day to examine cases and actions.

On March 08 2013 07:31 Matriarch wrote:
Goodness, the day has gotten away from me!
@ Krafla- My scummy read on Meatless is holding; Mainly because there hasn't been much opportunity for that to chance. He sort of fell off the map after his initial flurry of activity last night.

I was also asked my opinion on the "lynch all liars" policy. I think it is a fair policy. As town there should be NO reason to lie to each other. Lying means you have something to hide and hiding things usually turns out badly.

On March 08 2013 14:57 Matriarch wrote:
I'm back and all caught up! I like what's being said about nobody. Take a look at this post.



He gets asked about OE and he says that he makes long posts and so he's scummy? Why does that make him scummy? And if you look at his posts earlier he looks more like he thinks (or knows!) OE is town. I think that's pretty shady!

##Vote: nobodywonder

On March 14 2013 00:47 Sn0_Man wrote:
Alright, I've finally made it through the whole thread.

Some players have kinda piqued my interest as scummy right now.

First, Geript. Day 1, town starts slow but warms up, gets focused and nails scum with a solid-contributing atmosphere where certain players stick out like sore thumbs. THIS IS THE TOWN ATMOSPHERE WE NEED. Then geript replaces in, and the nutter-butters start. Fast forward to the end of day 2 and we have lynched a townie, discussion is dying and there is a lot of uncertainty in the thread (my take on it at least). It isn't like geript created the mislynch, or made any scumslips, but in my eyes he poisoned the atmosphere enough to cloud town's perceptions. I can't really see this as anything other than scummy. Note that he replaced CoS who did very little but managed to look scummy in that time as well.

Next, OmniEulogy. Yes, it certainly feels like omni has contributed a lot, but I'd contend that he has simply posted a lot. As others have said, he spent day 1 soft-defending Arctic Daishi (scum), spent day 2 pushing a mislynch really hard, and has just struck me as off throughout my read-through. Reads slightly scum but less so than geript.

Most of the rest of the thread were releasing strong newbie vibes that interfered with my ability to seriously read them (on a casual read-through). I'll work on individual filters over the course of the next 30 hours or however long we have and try to give opinions on others but those 2 really stuck out.

PS: Krafla is looking kinda sketchy too with his claims but I'll have to re-read the OP and figure out what the hell he's claiming.

On March 14 2013 11:32 Sn0_Man wrote:
At this point I really want to hear some kind of defense out of omni before I continue researching him. He hasn't had any real pressure on him previously so this ought to tell us a lot. On the other hand, he scrubbed out of my last mafia game with him due to PC issues so who knows whats up...

@frorgon: Well I'm glad you are willing to push a read. I'm not really sold on MLuneth being too much scummier than, say, nobodywonder or krafla who are in very similar positions. I'm currently more interested in lynching geript (although he is bringing legitimate points against OE...). However, If we can't consolidate on scum anytime soon I'll have a good look at MLuneth's filter (since it really isn't that long and you are so dead-set on him). Just try not to get confirmation bias, find other scum as well. I think we all get the point that he is your top scumread.

On March 15 2013 01:53 Sn0_Man wrote:
Alright, after going through some filters, I noticed something funny.

Bduddy, who has done stone nothing all game, has received a completely free ride.

Day 1, he lurks around and is "busy IRL" (often true but also often a scum excuse to lurk). He eventually gets on the popular wagon after AD essentially scum-claims. After day 1 he has successfully blended in and looks pretty null.

Night 1, he posts some silly garbage about ##Unvoting and stuff, no real contribution ("Saving it for the day" or some garbage).

Day 2, he is quick to cast suspicion on a perfectly legitimate blue-claim by Krafla. When there is an uncontested blue claim, that is a pretty easy confirmed town since it's pretty suicidal to false-claim there as scum. Bduddy doesn't want Krafla's claim to be accepted, despite the fact that it is an uncontested blue claim. Thats REALLY scummy.

Beyond that, Bduddy feels the need to post things like this:


Cluttering up the thread with comments on somebody who just replaced out. Admittedly this could be a simple mistake but it still doesn't look very good.

Next up, bduddy's day 2 vote:



First, he plays the noob card. "Im sorry i'm bad and my cases are bad don't hold me to standards just let me be useless to town"...
Next, Blatant sheep: "I trust you guys my cases are bad here let me sound legit as I put my vote on a Town player"

What kind of garbage is that? He never even attempts to justify this vote, he just leaves it there while also pointing fingers at virtually half the thread with posts like:

And

Then,

Nowhere is he trying to push a read, he's just throwing shit everywhere. And nobody calls him out on it anymore (after his previous "I'm so sorry I noob let me sheep plz" vote on taco everybody was content that he had his vote down... derp).

Immediately after the mislynch he is super-eager to get matriarch mod-killed instead of replaced, with posts like

and

Its fairly clear that Bduddy is a bit over-interested in getting people mod-killed instead of a more town-favoured replacement (modkills are statistically more likely to harm town than help them).

Since then, he has made a total of 5 posts.

The first was "Sn0_man make posts plz". Okay bro, thanks for the tip... :/

The next 2 were yet another blatant attempt to discredit our uncontested blue claim... (seriously, scum don't blue-claim like that. It makes no sense).

The last 2 took an entire day to make between them...

one was trying to describe Rainbow's silly vote on geript as "Pressuring" MLuneth... basically not a post.

The last one was this:



Back to sheepville where he basically copy+pastes the highlights of rainbows case and calls it a wrap. Calls out MLuneth for making a weak case despite not having made any real case since... Day 1. Happy to park his vote on what is clearly the going wagon at the moment. This just strikes me wrong.

At this point, I'm having a hard time really deciding who I think is most likely to be scum. Really, I'd like to lynch geript today for blatantly shitting up the thread, but that clearly isn't going to happen. I honestly think Bduddy is more likely to be scum than either Omni or MLuneth, so I'm presenting my case on him, but there seems to be a lot of confirmation bias going on in this thread already directed at those 2.

Again, I'll revisit omni once he returns to the thread, and while I don't disagree with some of the points brought up on MLuneth his lynch just looks too easy right now. It might be the right one, but in all my previous games the easy wagon has been the wrong one.

PS: Oh god that was long

On March 15 2013 06:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Why does half the thread always fall over themselves trying to look as scummy as possible?

We have just over 3 hours to lynch. At this point, OmniEulogy has come back but instead of presenting a defense he has basically conceded. I had other reads, and other comments, but I don't see how town can let this fly.

##Vote: OmniEulogy

For refusing to seriously answer all the accusations, and for that horrible, horrible martyr post. I don't see how you can be town anymore.

On March 16 2013 00:42 Sn0_Man wrote:
I come back to the thread, and I see that MLuneth was, in fact scum. Without the benefit of seeing the flip, I still think Omni was a better lynch in that circumstance but at least we hit scum. The next thing I see is: "OMG SNO SCUM" from like 3 different people. Can somebody explain this to me or is just some silly knee-jerk reaction because I wouldn't jump on your bandwagon?

If you guys don't want to post too much before the night action deadline thats fine but I thought that we established that in order to make it hard for scum to blend in (something which we are clearly succeeding at), legitimate, well thought out cases were a pre-requisite to accusations this game.

On March 14 2013 03:13 Sn0_Man wrote:


If you have to "trick" somebody into making cases it probably makes more sense to lynch them. If not, then my comment certainly shouldn't prevent MLuneth from responding in a reasonable manner.

I mean, how dumb does this sound: "Hey guys, I tricked scum into making a case..." :X

And as I said, if the target is town then you shouldn't need to "trick" them.

On March 16 2013 01:15 TheRavensName wrote:


Gotta be honest, seems like our successful lynches are gut feelings that just soI think happen to have passable case, nut what the hell.

On March 16 2013 01:43 Sn0_Man wrote:
Krafla's blue claim was pretty questionably done, and it just looked really weird (on a completely "first-impression" basis). Once I read through the OP and thought about the setup (and kinda settled into the game a bit) it became clear that it was in fact an uncontested blue claim that made some amount of sense. My gut impression on it was clearly wrong. Its obviously wrong to lynch uncontested blue claims without some serious good reasons, so I left off Krafla after that.

My point on bduddy was the only post he could remotely point to as "scumhunting" in a long stretch of his filter was throwing suspicion at Krafla, + Show Spoiler + and by that point I'd established that krafla was pretty clearly town (barring some really really weird scum plan that if it existed is obviously not working so hot).

Either way, I'm not gonna spend this entire night defending myself, it doesn't get us anywhere. Thankfully we have an 8-1 advantage on scum so we can afford this bullshit.