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On February 26 2013 09:05 Wade Fell wrote: Make me the mayor. I'm a smurf, but I'll offer you a platform that should definitely convince you that your vote is best used to elect me. My platform: 1) Lynching MilkSuckler. Fuck that guy. 2) I will use my vote aggressively to push town agenda throughout the game. I am not afraid to write cases and lay down my vote. I am a serious person. Now before you flame me, let me turn you around with this question: do you believe milksuckler had that post prepared before the game started? of course he did. Everything about that screams "pre-prepared post" which is fine if he's town but he wrote that when he didn't know his alignment. He could quite easily be scum. Don't trust him. Lynch Milksuckler. ##vote Wade Fell I believe you are right in both your assumptions, that milksuckler had that post prepared and that he could be scum. I also believe every other player may also be scum. Does milksuckler having a prepared post make him more likely scum? How so? If not why does he stand out to you as to being the best lynch? Would you care to expand on that? I'm trying to decide between you trying to bring in some activity or trying to get into my invisible poster list. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:08 Wade Fell wrote: I'm sorry there's a possibility you are a newer player, so I will explain thoroughly: The mayor has two votes, and the runner-up for mayor gains a power that's basically only useful to mafia. We can't just go voting townreads. We have to have people state clearly why they are voting who they are voting for, and potential mayoral candidates must clearly outline who they will use the lynch on and why. Anything less is bad. Yes, ideally you vote in the towniest player as mayor, but someone can be townie and useless. Mayor determines today's lynch. The idea that Mayor is irrelevant is one you should cast out of your mind as soon as possible. Ah ok, apparently you can't read! You will notice I said the towniest player that will lynch your main suspect. That's alright though, but try to spend more time reading and less time posting and you will do better next time. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:12 Promethelax wrote: If I am allowed to lynch myself day one. Yes. I believe in true RNG. Isn't that retarded as both alignments? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:16 Toadesstern wrote: How likely is it that we can make it happen that we can get our lynch candidate come in as second in the votes? We could get 2 flies with one stone that way. Thoughts? That's a good idea if we could make it happen, but unless the person we are set on lynching is town, I find that unlikely to occur. No harm in giving it a shot though. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:19 layabout wrote: lets kill wade for this: On the basis that it promotes a mafia agenda. The most important thing about the election is to get town into the two roles. Although killing wade would certainly clear a bit of the thread of gratuitous obnoxiousness, I don't think his alignment is clear yet. You are certainly nitpicking part of his post and drawing your own biased conclusion about what he is saying. Are you sure you don't just want throw some suspicion on someone everyone already dislikes? | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:30 Promethelax wrote: Yes? But the idea of a random lynch is good. You should be able to see why. Assuming you don't suck, which I'm assuming. I trust any decent town player should be able to lynch scum day one when elected as mayor more than 20% of the time. Why would you give up the chance on making an informed decision on who to lynch, derive information about players who were pushing or defending said player is beyond me. RNG provides nothing besides a place to shy away from responsibility. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote: Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. Care to explain why that makes him your top scum read? Your follow up sentence uses the same fail logic as Wade Fell's, which isn't something you should be to emulate. | ||
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On February 26 2013 09:39 WaveofShadow wrote: 'pretty much how I feel right now. See you D2 everybody! Promethelax, how do you feel about this post? | ||
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I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. | ||
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On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Promethelax is likely scum. I made that post specifically to see how he would react (as you noticed I didn't provide any reasons). Mostly my concerns were that too many people were pushing for his lynch and there was no opposition to it. Also the main reasons for the suspicion on him was some sudden change of mind or some controversial behavior, and those are normally townie traits. Now onto his reaction to my post: as town he would never come to the conclusion that I'm scum in that spot. What would be my interest as scum in defending a player everybody else thinks is scum? For town cred? As you can all tell that very often has the opposite effect and town cred is overrated anyway. People had not even mentioned my name prior to this so I had no reason to risk my neck over this. If you know you are townie your first reaction in this situation certainly is to think the people that are defending you are town! Now as scum what would you do? First you have inherent guilt, you think you look bad, so it's plausible that the claim that the guy defending you must have extra information should fly. Secondly you want to divert attention from your lynch, so it's a terrific opportunity to throw suspicion on someone that is on the other side of the issue. People that want to lynch prome certainly won't like the defense one bit, and are more easily willing to jump on the person defending it. As you can see Promethelax post makes very little sense if taken form a townie perspective, but makes a lot of sense given a scum mentality. I'll refrain from expanding my thoughts on macho man from now as to not derail this lynch. | ||
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On February 27 2013 03:54 Restraining Order wrote: Why, oh why would you say this? So let me get this straight: You did something fishy and of debateable quality (defend a guy for no reason), and when he points out how nonsensical that is, and after it's clear the thread still wants Prome lynched, you decide to 180° your read and say "lol jokes I thought he was scum all along!" If you actually read what I wrote, you will notice that I had my doubts, which I explain why in detail, to whether prome was scum. And I didn't do anything fishy. I said I had reasons to believe he was town, and I would expand on it later. Yet you notice he attacked me before I ever even said what reasons those were. That demonstrates inherent guilt. Whether you think I scum or not should have little impact on the behavior prome has shown. Do you agree with my conclusion? | ||
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If you believe it is a null tell and I have reached the correct conclusion, by your own standards, what exactly is the problem here? Wouldn't you be better off taking in the information in regards to the reactions of many players, including the one set to be lynched, and ultimately have a better picture of the situation prior to the lynch so you could make a more informed decision and even after if we end up lynching him? If you believe it produced no meaningful content you can safely ignore it. It's funny how you accuse me of being anti-town when I'm trying to produce information by my own means, yet you both share my conclusion. Also how exactly my withholding information for some amount of time to observe the reactions to my post damages the town in any regard? I've said I'd share the concerns I had with prome's lynch and I did. As it stands right now I believe the best lynch is prome and I'd be foolish to try to persuade town that The Macho Man is a better lynch, if even I don't share that point of view. Yes I do have problems with TMM, but I'll discuss those when the time is appropriate. It's a common mistake by many players to say every single thought that comes to their minds, instead of keeping the focus on what needs to be done. Most of you so far seem to believe I'm some sort of idiot who ought to be dismissed. It's actually a barrier that I'm trying to overcome by making long quality over explanatory posts. I assure you I'm pretty good at this game, you would be surprised to know who you are dealing with. I assure you that if I had my name attached to my posts I would need to right a third as much and would have three times the influence. | ||
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On February 27 2013 09:49 Wade Fell wrote: JJ you're just so bad just share your thoughts. they're terrible but just share all of them god As opposed to you who are good? Tell me how is the offensive name calling helping? I don't believe there was enough time for you to read carefully my post before responding to it. Spend less time typing and more time reading, it will go a long way. | ||
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On February 26 2013 10:31 The Macho Man wrote: what does everyone think of vivax simply trying to figure out smurfs not alignments is the greatest of all time on to something or not? On February 26 2013 10:50 The Macho Man wrote: ve looks townie to me promoting discussion and showed some confusion towards me grepit is null need more however nothing sticks out as supper scummy to the macho man. On February 26 2013 12:29 The Macho Man wrote: thats sounds retarded we want to lynch scum mayor gets to lynch we want town there so he lynches scum hopefully. are you scum? Before these posts, TMM was mostly staying in character and joking around. But notice the pattern here. He jumps on mistakes of people and not actually behavior that points to scum. He has been trying to push vivax for as long as people have been discussing prom, but when it becomes clear the lynch is promethelax, suddenly he has a change of heart and says he likes w/e irrelevant post vivax has made. The first post I quoted is only the beginning of a series of mudslinging (towards vivax mostly, but also towards others) he has done all while promethelax was being discussed. The second post I quoted is something I found extremely artificial, some fake attempt at contribution with some half assed explanations about his reads. The explanation on VE looking townie is of note. The jump on randombum for the comment he has made, which any experienced player could tell most likely comes from a townie, as mafia would never make a post that controversial. The complete absence of mention to promethelax in the entirety of his filter. That's a tough subject for mafia, because he was likely to flip and thus all attempts at bullshit bussing would be thoroughly examined. This is iamp we are talking about, he has the tools to make very good reads and has done so, based on exactly this type of posting by randombum, in many of his previous games as town. The man is most likely scum and would be an excellent candidate for a vig shot. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:16 DoctorHelvetica wrote: ANYWAY ABOUT JJ AND THE RECENT FLIP I can not see the motivation for scum to respond to and attack his sole defender unless that sole defender was inserted as part of a mafia bus. It's too entirely convenient that JungleJorge got just the response he was looking for when he went about applying pressure in a completely backwards way. I need a much more comprehensive explanation of your reasoning JJ. And there you were a few hours ago saying that one player's behavior should not say anything about another player. Anyway I have no arguments against your interpretation of prom's behavior towards me, for that is your own, though from where I'm standing it looks much different. If you would be so kind to point out the scum agenda behind my posts I'll happily answer to your questions. Or better, if you decide to work together with me and other likely townies towards unearthing the exposed scum, that would be an even more productive use of your time. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:19 MilkSuckler wrote: What do you make of my comment regarding your image-based defense? That's beyond my control, that's for you to decide. I'm only responsible for my actions. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote: Again, the people who 'voted to lynch' Prom means nothing considering he more or less damned himself from the get-go. Very easy bus. Congratulations, you have proven I'm not confirmed town for wanting to lynch prome. Come back later when you have something useful. Or better, look into people like TMM who is actually scum. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:18 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I am reading your posts, help me understand them. I wrote quite a bit, feel free to respond to it in detail if you would. Why would you be glad to be lynched for being wrong? When is a person being wrong ever a justification for a lynch of vig shot? It isn't, but I'd rather not waste time discussing myself when I could be reading through filters. I'd prefer if we would move on. I'm pretty confident when can find the remainder of the scum team if we focus on it together, thus my proposition not to waste time. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:28 The Macho Man wrote: you know your allowed to comment on someone other than me. Is this how you decided your going to contribute? The guilt pours out of your pores as you type this half hearted mudslinging attempt . Rest at ease, you aren't long for this world. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:33 MilkSuckler wrote: JJ I dont like MachoMan either. You mentioned filter diving before.. Can I get you to prioritise Geript pls? My read on him has evolved since the lynch, I want to know if we are on the same page. I've actually looked at geript and don't think he should be one of our main suspects for tomorrow. I'm leaning town on him. | ||
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On February 28 2013 11:39 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I just want to understand why you chose defense as pressure. How did you anticipate prom would respond like he did? I actually didn't. I was honestly leaning town on him until he made such response. Some aspects of his play looked suspicious, while others were too loose and carefree, thus town looking. I opted to make a defense without stating my reasons to get responses mostly from other players who were not commenting on his lynch. I suspected that if I started the trend and he was scum soon enough other players would join me and provide their own reasons. Obviously what I got was much better, basically a scum claim from prom in my eyes. | ||
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Already did so I'm my analysis of prome's response. Maybe you missed it? | ||
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On February 28 2013 12:24 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I think we should lynch Vivax. Go look through his post, he started off by saying the best way to find scum is to find people that take the game seriously instead of trolling. After putting a bunch of people in that category, he was only willing to point a finger at JJ. Not actively interested in the Prom case but spends a ton of time only to slap a null read on there. The way he reacted to me initially calling me out is troubling. He didn't OMGUS but did have a bunch of insults and mockeries to throw my way. I'm getting kinda woozy and doubtful, I hate night 1 because I start rolling over in second guesses. I need to reset my head. I'm nowhere near ready to start reading Toades' filter, I'll need at least 2 more beers before I attempt that. I'm actually leaning town on vivax. Besides his filter size and his general inquisitive attitude towards other players, there is also his long post that he comments on several others. One of those is me, who he actually mixed up with another player and came to the conclusion I was scum based on another player filter. To me that indicates that he had several filters opened when writing it and thus is likely townie. I believe mafia would not only be more careful, but decide their target first before attacking someone. I think we should focus on those 2 (TMM and RO) tomorrow instead. | ||
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On February 26 2013 17:50 Aquanim wrote: Agreed, if DocH wanted it I'd vote for him. I intend to properly read up on Wade Fell - if I end up thinking he's town (which I think I will, but we'll see) then I wouldn't be against him as mayor. After all, in this setup mayor will probably die pretty fast, and if WF is NK'd I won't be devastated. Obvious still hasn't done anything to make me think he's town at all. I've skimmed the last ten pages or so but haven't thoroughly read them yet. I think I need to go read some previous games of Prom to decide whether the case on him is good, it seems to be mostly based on trends in his play rather than specifically scummy actions. Still rereading so my reads are a work in progress. While reading through prom's filter I noticed his interactions with aquanim looked pretty forced. I decided then to investigate further and came across this gem. Notice he wants to vote Wade Fell and DocH, both of which intend to lynch prom and that is the main driving force of their campaign as mayor. But look he hasn't even a formed opinion on prom still, and we get even a soft defense as a bonus! Look at the tone of this whole post and how noncommittal he is with everything he says regarding other players. Now why would a player who doesn't believe prom is scum would ever "vote for DocH if he wanted it"? The sheer inherent guilt from this post is sickening. I'm extremely confident this man is scum, even more so than TMM and RO. If we have any vigs take a shot at this man. | ||
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And OO, yes, I've read through the rest of aqua's filter and his interactions with the thread and it supports my conclusion. I think however that the post I quoted should be sufficient damning evidence alone. | ||
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##Vote Chezinu | ||
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On March 02 2013 02:49 WaveofShadow wrote: I can get behind a Chez lynch (moreso than Toad honestly) but I'd be careful of the logic. Why would town randomly shoot someone, but I can see the same thing for mafia...it seems really dumb just to out oneself that early, especially since he wasn't really a main lynch target; there were probably 3-4 other people talked about equally as much. If he is mafia then to be honest I see something malfunctioning within the scumteam. What it would mean is that the Prom 'bus' probably wasn't a bus at all (and even though I should be ignoring it, Prom's GG post is likely true) and each member appears to be acting somewhat of their own accord, since outing 2 mafia members super early just seems like terrible play even if there is some epic scumplan behind it. It's pretty obvious mafia team is acting dumb. No mafia team busses someone day one for no reason, even if they did it is because they had no better choice. There is no flips besides prom still, so any theories about busses are best saved for when they are need (i.e. late game with nothing else makes sense). Chezinu is scum regardless, despite being a troll he is very good and has very good reads as town, no way in hell he would take that shot. Not only because he missed, but also how he did it and whom he shot. | ||
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On March 02 2013 02:48 jcarlsoniv wrote: Speak of the devil... The thing is, there wasn't any huge pressure on chez when he shot. He had suspicion cast on him, but it's not like he was about to die when he shot milkman. Also, nobody counter claimed him. I agree with DrH that it's probably unlikely that scum has a dayvig and town does not. I can't understand being in Chez's position and firing if he were scum. That's the dumbest assumption I've read. Why on earth it's unlikely that only scum has a dayvig? And Chezinu had no pressure on him? If you read the thread prior to the shot you'll see plenty of people arguing for a chez lynch. | ||
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On March 02 2013 05:10 DoctorHelvetica wrote: Is it true that 2 people claimed nightvig? I would be ok with lynching chez then I somehow missed this, I've only seen vivax claim. | ||
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On March 02 2013 05:17 DoctorHelvetica wrote: So back to my original day 1 guts which are prom/viv/geript/glurio/testsubj. Restraining order looks hella bad too. Toades, I wont apologize for requesting your modkill but that day 1 attitude is unacceptable. I hope you learn from that instead of arrogantly chastising me postgame. So - who tried to stop the prom lynch without hard defending him again? Lets look at those folks I.e. who said "prom is prolly scum but lets not trust ppl who are accusing him or imma vote elsewhere" PLEASE, let's lynch chezinu first. There is absolutely no way he is town. Don't go on a witch hunt today. | ||
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I jailed layabout. I wasn't roleblocked. Some fishy stuff happened here, or scum team is retarded and an amazing chain of coincidences just happened. | ||
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2) No. | ||
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On March 04 2013 09:56 Wade Fell wrote: And on a personal note, JJ, if it does in fact turn out you are town, after this game you and I will have a long talk about the basic principles of cooperative discourse. No, we are not. | ||
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On March 04 2013 10:02 Wade Fell wrote: yeah or you're scum and sent your nk to gerymist instead of oats You got me there great scum hunter BH. I concede. | ||
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On March 04 2013 11:14 layabout wrote: I suppose that could be the case but it doesn't explain why they would roleblock aqua over vivax, since if they thought he was a vig they should roleblock him to stop the shot or (you)jj since jj might stop their shot going through. The chance that aqua is scum is too high to ignore. Or they want to provoke this kind of reasoning, or even bring forth this argument and roleblocked with this purpose. Either way I'm kinda torn on aqua actually. I'll reflect on it some more. | ||
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1) Mafia purposely held their shot. Seems pretty unlikely given the game state we are in. I'm willing to say that this possibility should be ignored. 2) Mafia forgot to send in their actions. That means aqua is lying and thus scum. Says nothing about vivax alignment. Seems unilkely as aqua would be better served not claiming the RB in the first place. 3) Mafia shot RO. Vivax must be mafia. No sk, possible arsonist. Seems far fetched, but vivax has done this before as mafia in a previous game when he wanted to concede. Since it's possible there is an arsonist, mafia may not be able to concede yet. 4) Mafia shot the sk. Since no one has claimed a shot and I didn't send in my action to the correct host, if mafia shot anyone tonight besides RO they must have hit the sk. SK has to shoot every night. Vivax must be the sk, since if he isn't there would be another kill tonight besides his. So the only reasonable explanations imo are 3 or 4, which all point to anti-town vivax. We should kill him today. | ||
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Anyway just go ahead and lynch geript. I see nothing whatsoever that warrants suspicion on him. When he flips town, maybe you will drop your cocky attitude. I see that RO flipping scum has done nothing to your reading abilities towards my posts. | ||
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On March 04 2013 15:34 JungleJorge wrote: 2) Mafia forgot to send in their actions. That means aqua is lying and thus scum. Says nothing about vivax alignment. Seems unilkely as aqua would be better served not claiming the RB in the first place. You reckon that if they did that they wouldn't have sent the RB either. | ||
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On March 06 2013 09:20 Aquanim wrote: I'd agree with you but voting Vivax was even worse. Aren't you the guy who was roleblocked? How do you explain the night actions? Shouldn't you be even more suspicious that vivax is SK, since the alternative is that you are scum? | ||
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On March 06 2013 09:36 Aquanim wrote: 1) There are other reasons why scum KP might not have been effective. Town JOAT is probably most plausible. 2) If Vivax is SK it should be blindingly obvious tomorrow or the day after and we can vote him then. There's no point in lynching him before then. 3) Pretty sure Vivax is town, have been since before he claimed vigilante. No one has claimed to have taken a shot. There is no reason a townie should hide that he has taken a shot. Only possible explanations are those that I've stated previously. | ||
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On March 06 2013 14:08 Aquanim wrote: @JungleJorge Are you certain that your JK did not go through? Can you check this with the hosts in any way? I want to know for certain what happened with your JK. Answer this BEFORE THE DAYPOST in case you die. It didn't happen. | ||
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1) Mafia somehow thinks it's a good idea to RB vivax night 1. He posted he was shooting hassy near the deadline. Even if mafia somehow saw that Hassy was town. RB makes no sense. NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY ON EARTH WOULD MAFIA RB VIVAX N1. 2) Mafia shot VE who wanted to kill vivax. And Vayesh who wanted to kill chez. 3) N2 Mafia doesn't roleblock me. Doesn't roleblock the claimed vig. Instead roleblocks Aquanim. Shoots nobody. HOW CAN WE EXPLAIN THESE EVENTS YOU ASK? Mafia is being fucked up the ass. Vivax is being suspected by a lot of people. Me plus someone else I forget bust out a case on RO. Vivax never said he was suspicious of RO. So why mafia don't RB the claimed jailer nor the vig, and refrains from shooting anyone when they are getting roflstomped? Only explanation that would ever make any resemblance of sense is that they planned to fake a vig. For that they needed not to RB me so they could blame the missing KP on the jailer protect. Now how to justify the lack of roleblock on the CLAIMED VIG? Well vivax pulls of this ridiculous charade: On March 04 2013 08:17 Vivax wrote: Helvetica, Wade and you are obvious scum by now. Scumgame of your life but I uncovered your nasty plans. On March 04 2013 08:25 Vivax wrote: I've changed my mind actually, I won't shoot the Macho Man for not posting. If you are still not convinced take a look at what vivax says about prom and RO day 1: On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote: Let's get down to business then. First of all I would like to give you my opinion about the mayoral election: I didn't give it much importance. One lynch, two votes, that's it. A townie looking guy gets elected, either a townie looking guy gets confirmed if he hits scum or townie looking scum rides the wave to a mislynch and can shake off responsibility for it. My major interest laid in creating a nice atmosphere where we can have fun together and catch butterflies all day so that people who are scum actually feel safe to play like scum. What I've learned in past games is that people I read as scum got a valid reason to not answer questions when I actually read them as scum and called them like that. "Oh what you call me scum you idiot fine I'll ignore you" fuck that shit. To catch scum you have to let them feel cosy, when they think they didn't have the pressure to post for two days, then you will struck them with holy might knowing that they actually had the confidence to really play like lurky scum. When they don't know you will push for their lynch at deadline they will post more information, closer to their agenda than to the one made visible by townies. Since town doesn't seem to want to adopt such an innovative strategy, let's move on with standard play. Wish washy thoughts on flipped scum number one Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions. However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute. ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts. aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him. Layabout could be lurky scum. If he's town I'd like him to post more. I remember him being an aggressive pusher as town in fruity mafia. JJ is a good lynch candidate. His attack on me for playing casually is a scum trait, and he quit pursuing me asking me a weird question about what I think. Well, after the last refresh (23:40 TL time) I see he's actually back to get me. Saying I didn't follow up after calling him scummy for what he did, too bad that I went to sleep around 3 AM and I'm spending 2:30 hours with reading and writing this post, so his argument is again scummy and not thought out. The argument he's used didn't apply to me, but also to Toad and some other dudes. He seems to think people trying to guess smurf identities are scum, as pointed out in my earlier post. And Wish Washy thoughts on flipped scum number two! Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. Geript looked pretty scummy to me yesterday, but since he's a newbie that might just be a consequence of that. His attacks on me cause of me being casual made me pretty suspicious, and his blabber about an agenda linked to that as well, but I don't want to lynch a newbie this early, they can look scummy as either alignment. In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis. This whole post is fucking terrible, I can't believe I let him get away with it the first time I read him. If you take a read at the rest of his filter it's pretty clear he was asking for many to be lynched instead of prom day 1, despite in the end voting going along with the lynch without even "being convinced that prom was scum" in his own words. There is only a brief mention of RO in his filter, and he quickly forgets about him and never follow up at all. He is way more suspicious of other people, yet he shoots RO which wasn't even the consensus of the majority at that time. For someone who was so little engaged on day 2 he would probably shoot geript if he was a town vig. But why didn't he then you ask? He was cornered. Let's say we see only geript's green flip on the day post. Do you have any doubt we would rush to lynch vivax without thinking twice? It all lines up. vivax behavior isn't anywhere near what he does as town and is very mafia oriented in the moments his buddies were on the line. I'M FUCKING POSITIVE THIS MAN IS SCUM AND IF YOU DON'T SEE IT AFTER THIS RETIRE FROM MAFIA. ##VOTE VIVAX | ||
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Because I'm actually good at this game, despite dedicating very little of my time to it currently. So yeah lynch vivax and thank me later. | ||
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"1) It actually makes sense since glurio had reason to be afraid by me implying I would see his flip soon. I said I would shoot Hassy in the last minute. There was no time for scum to change targets." And you are actually pushing and voting jc instead. Looking at this phrase you should be sure glurio is scum no? | ||
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On March 01 2013 08:59 Vivax wrote: I shot Hassy I believe. | ||
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On March 08 2013 07:04 Aquanim wrote: Your point? Surely he'd be more confident if this was a preplanned scum gambit? Also do you think this setup is balanced without any town KP? (I have no opinion on this question at present, I am genuinely interested in your opinion.) My point is when people are faking stuff they slip and sound fake. That's how I catch most people as scum. And regarding town kp yes. Mafia KP is very low this game. Town had two protection roles, plus two info roles so far. If any kp would be present for town I would say it would probably be hatter. | ||
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On March 08 2013 09:21 Vivax wrote: I'm also hearing some noise in the background is that a voice? It sounds stupid. I wasn't stupid when i told people toad was scum despite him claiming vig n1 and everyone saying "yolo toad is town fo sho". Then risk hammering mafia d1 and I say fuck that the dude is scum and he was. Weren't you on toad's team when he pulled this off and everyone thought that was the best play ever? Oh right you were. Now go kill me cuz I don't want to read this game any longer. | ||
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No he doesn't. WHERE IS THE FUCKING SCUM KILL N2? WHY WASN'T I ROLEBLOCKED? | ||
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On March 08 2013 09:27 grush57 wrote: JJ is scum yes? Sandroba is acting different and being a jailor and sandroba = insta die You are dumb. If I'm scum vivax has to be scum since toad and vivax claimed RB n1. Thus if you think I'm scum you have to kill vivax. | ||
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Am I talking to a wall here? | ||
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On March 08 2013 09:31 Vivax wrote: That was more or less a ragequit shot Toad wanted to concede, I agreed a bit later and I shot him telling Bugs to concede after 30 minutes. Ask Bugs if you don't believe it. As said your version doesn't make sense cause I could simply claim roleblocks into infinity if I was scum and it would make much more sense than me shooting a scumbuddy. Take your tinfoil hat off, you might be good at this game most of the time but you don't make any sense right now. Do something good this game and help me kill jcarl pls. Let's suppose you are vivax, the town vig, who is planning on shooting n1. The mayor who just lynched scum supects you. However YOU are the vig. YOU are gonna shoot someone you think is scum. There is no reason in your mind scum would ever roleblock you out of the blue. What do you do? You claim your shot before the night post. Cool. What doesn't make any resemblance of sense for you to do? On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another. This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well. On March 01 2013 00:03 Vivax wrote: Milksuckler said you want me vigged. Dunno, didn't check. Keep talking random shit about vigs. That's not what a vig does. He is afraid of being RB. This is what a mafia who plains to claim vig does to later justify being roleblocked. vivax as town is one paranoid all over the place mother fucker, who posts like a mad man and pushes his thoughts constantly. Not this subtle poking, well behaved, suspicion avoiding scummer. This dude is mafia. Believe it. | ||
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Mafia forgot to send the kp? Well mafia did remember to send a roleblock. Also hosts normally read mafia qt and they poke players with pms when they don't submit the kill list. This is highly unlikely. Mafia withheld kp to frame vivax? Then they would have rb'ed me to make the case even stronger, since i wouldn't be able to prot anyone and blame the missing kp on that. Mafia had no way of knowing i wouldn't send in the jail. Impossible. I'm mafia roleblocker and withheld kp to frame vivax. First that is retarded and I'd never do that in my life. Second both vivax and toad claimed roleblock n1. I claimed i jailed toad, no one counterclaimed. No one claimed to have roleblocked vivax. Thus this can only happen if vivax is still mafia. Vivax used kp to shoot RO who had 1 page filter and was as good as dead? Yes that makes sense. That's why you don't rb the jailer so you can justify missing kp. vivax and RO were heavily suspected by a lot of people and the game is going downhill for scum. How can you possibly savage this game? Well you might as well pull something like this off so jubjubs go around saying vivax is confirmed townie. | ||
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"Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions. However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute." That's from that random out of place big post day 1 that accomplishes nothing. The post in itself makes no sense for town to make. How someone concludes someone is town based on RO's comments on toad's plan is beyond me. It is fake. Makes no sense. You don't start something out of the blue on RO just to later call him null/town leaning. That's traditional mafia behavior. Vivax thoughts on prom day 1 in the same horrible out of place post that is extremely discrepant to his filter: "Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me." Look at this the same kind of mafia nonsense, coincidently about a mafia too? How weird is this. Maybe this guy is scum huh? Maybe? | ||
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