TL Mafia LX - Page 5
Forum Index > TL Mafia |
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
| ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
1) Mafia somehow thinks it's a good idea to RB vivax night 1. He posted he was shooting hassy near the deadline. Even if mafia somehow saw that Hassy was town. RB makes no sense. NO FUCKING SENSE. WHY ON EARTH WOULD MAFIA RB VIVAX N1. 2) Mafia shot VE who wanted to kill vivax. And Vayesh who wanted to kill chez. 3) N2 Mafia doesn't roleblock me. Doesn't roleblock the claimed vig. Instead roleblocks Aquanim. Shoots nobody. HOW CAN WE EXPLAIN THESE EVENTS YOU ASK? Mafia is being fucked up the ass. Vivax is being suspected by a lot of people. Me plus someone else I forget bust out a case on RO. Vivax never said he was suspicious of RO. So why mafia don't RB the claimed jailer nor the vig, and refrains from shooting anyone when they are getting roflstomped? Only explanation that would ever make any resemblance of sense is that they planned to fake a vig. For that they needed not to RB me so they could blame the missing KP on the jailer protect. Now how to justify the lack of roleblock on the CLAIMED VIG? Well vivax pulls of this ridiculous charade: On March 04 2013 08:17 Vivax wrote: Helvetica, Wade and you are obvious scum by now. Scumgame of your life but I uncovered your nasty plans. On March 04 2013 08:25 Vivax wrote: I've changed my mind actually, I won't shoot the Macho Man for not posting. If you are still not convinced take a look at what vivax says about prom and RO day 1: On February 27 2013 00:27 Vivax wrote: Let's get down to business then. First of all I would like to give you my opinion about the mayoral election: I didn't give it much importance. One lynch, two votes, that's it. A townie looking guy gets elected, either a townie looking guy gets confirmed if he hits scum or townie looking scum rides the wave to a mislynch and can shake off responsibility for it. My major interest laid in creating a nice atmosphere where we can have fun together and catch butterflies all day so that people who are scum actually feel safe to play like scum. What I've learned in past games is that people I read as scum got a valid reason to not answer questions when I actually read them as scum and called them like that. "Oh what you call me scum you idiot fine I'll ignore you" fuck that shit. To catch scum you have to let them feel cosy, when they think they didn't have the pressure to post for two days, then you will struck them with holy might knowing that they actually had the confidence to really play like lurky scum. When they don't know you will push for their lynch at deadline they will post more information, closer to their agenda than to the one made visible by townies. Since town doesn't seem to want to adopt such an innovative strategy, let's move on with standard play. Wish washy thoughts on flipped scum number one Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions. However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute. ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts. aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him. Layabout could be lurky scum. If he's town I'd like him to post more. I remember him being an aggressive pusher as town in fruity mafia. JJ is a good lynch candidate. His attack on me for playing casually is a scum trait, and he quit pursuing me asking me a weird question about what I think. Well, after the last refresh (23:40 TL time) I see he's actually back to get me. Saying I didn't follow up after calling him scummy for what he did, too bad that I went to sleep around 3 AM and I'm spending 2:30 hours with reading and writing this post, so his argument is again scummy and not thought out. The argument he's used didn't apply to me, but also to Toad and some other dudes. He seems to think people trying to guess smurf identities are scum, as pointed out in my earlier post. And Wish Washy thoughts on flipped scum number two! Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me. Geript looked pretty scummy to me yesterday, but since he's a newbie that might just be a consequence of that. His attacks on me cause of me being casual made me pretty suspicious, and his blabber about an agenda linked to that as well, but I don't want to lynch a newbie this early, they can look scummy as either alignment. In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis. This whole post is fucking terrible, I can't believe I let him get away with it the first time I read him. If you take a read at the rest of his filter it's pretty clear he was asking for many to be lynched instead of prom day 1, despite in the end voting going along with the lynch without even "being convinced that prom was scum" in his own words. There is only a brief mention of RO in his filter, and he quickly forgets about him and never follow up at all. He is way more suspicious of other people, yet he shoots RO which wasn't even the consensus of the majority at that time. For someone who was so little engaged on day 2 he would probably shoot geript if he was a town vig. But why didn't he then you ask? He was cornered. Let's say we see only geript's green flip on the day post. Do you have any doubt we would rush to lynch vivax without thinking twice? It all lines up. vivax behavior isn't anywhere near what he does as town and is very mafia oriented in the moments his buddies were on the line. I'M FUCKING POSITIVE THIS MAN IS SCUM AND IF YOU DON'T SEE IT AFTER THIS RETIRE FROM MAFIA. ##VOTE VIVAX | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
Because I'm actually good at this game, despite dedicating very little of my time to it currently. So yeah lynch vivax and thank me later. | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
"1) It actually makes sense since glurio had reason to be afraid by me implying I would see his flip soon. I said I would shoot Hassy in the last minute. There was no time for scum to change targets." And you are actually pushing and voting jc instead. Looking at this phrase you should be sure glurio is scum no? | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
On March 01 2013 08:59 Vivax wrote: I shot Hassy I believe. | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
| ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
| ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
On March 08 2013 07:04 Aquanim wrote: Your point? Surely he'd be more confident if this was a preplanned scum gambit? Also do you think this setup is balanced without any town KP? (I have no opinion on this question at present, I am genuinely interested in your opinion.) My point is when people are faking stuff they slip and sound fake. That's how I catch most people as scum. And regarding town kp yes. Mafia KP is very low this game. Town had two protection roles, plus two info roles so far. If any kp would be present for town I would say it would probably be hatter. | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
| ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
| ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
| ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:21 Vivax wrote: I'm also hearing some noise in the background is that a voice? It sounds stupid. I wasn't stupid when i told people toad was scum despite him claiming vig n1 and everyone saying "yolo toad is town fo sho". Then risk hammering mafia d1 and I say fuck that the dude is scum and he was. Weren't you on toad's team when he pulled this off and everyone thought that was the best play ever? Oh right you were. Now go kill me cuz I don't want to read this game any longer. | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
No he doesn't. WHERE IS THE FUCKING SCUM KILL N2? WHY WASN'T I ROLEBLOCKED? | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:27 grush57 wrote: JJ is scum yes? Sandroba is acting different and being a jailor and sandroba = insta die You are dumb. If I'm scum vivax has to be scum since toad and vivax claimed RB n1. Thus if you think I'm scum you have to kill vivax. | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
Am I talking to a wall here? | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
On March 08 2013 09:31 Vivax wrote: That was more or less a ragequit shot Toad wanted to concede, I agreed a bit later and I shot him telling Bugs to concede after 30 minutes. Ask Bugs if you don't believe it. As said your version doesn't make sense cause I could simply claim roleblocks into infinity if I was scum and it would make much more sense than me shooting a scumbuddy. Take your tinfoil hat off, you might be good at this game most of the time but you don't make any sense right now. Do something good this game and help me kill jcarl pls. Let's suppose you are vivax, the town vig, who is planning on shooting n1. The mayor who just lynched scum supects you. However YOU are the vig. YOU are gonna shoot someone you think is scum. There is no reason in your mind scum would ever roleblock you out of the blue. What do you do? You claim your shot before the night post. Cool. What doesn't make any resemblance of sense for you to do? On February 28 2013 23:38 Vivax wrote: I don't care if Toad wants me vigged, glurio is scum and should be taken care of one way or another. This RO guy soft pushing me when the mood swings over is scummy as fuck as well. On March 01 2013 00:03 Vivax wrote: Milksuckler said you want me vigged. Dunno, didn't check. Keep talking random shit about vigs. That's not what a vig does. He is afraid of being RB. This is what a mafia who plains to claim vig does to later justify being roleblocked. vivax as town is one paranoid all over the place mother fucker, who posts like a mad man and pushes his thoughts constantly. Not this subtle poking, well behaved, suspicion avoiding scummer. This dude is mafia. Believe it. | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
Mafia forgot to send the kp? Well mafia did remember to send a roleblock. Also hosts normally read mafia qt and they poke players with pms when they don't submit the kill list. This is highly unlikely. Mafia withheld kp to frame vivax? Then they would have rb'ed me to make the case even stronger, since i wouldn't be able to prot anyone and blame the missing kp on that. Mafia had no way of knowing i wouldn't send in the jail. Impossible. I'm mafia roleblocker and withheld kp to frame vivax. First that is retarded and I'd never do that in my life. Second both vivax and toad claimed roleblock n1. I claimed i jailed toad, no one counterclaimed. No one claimed to have roleblocked vivax. Thus this can only happen if vivax is still mafia. Vivax used kp to shoot RO who had 1 page filter and was as good as dead? Yes that makes sense. That's why you don't rb the jailer so you can justify missing kp. vivax and RO were heavily suspected by a lot of people and the game is going downhill for scum. How can you possibly savage this game? Well you might as well pull something like this off so jubjubs go around saying vivax is confirmed townie. | ||
JungleJorge
Uganda104 Posts
"Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions. However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute." That's from that random out of place big post day 1 that accomplishes nothing. The post in itself makes no sense for town to make. How someone concludes someone is town based on RO's comments on toad's plan is beyond me. It is fake. Makes no sense. You don't start something out of the blue on RO just to later call him null/town leaning. That's traditional mafia behavior. Vivax thoughts on prom day 1 in the same horrible out of place post that is extremely discrepant to his filter: "Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him. What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference. Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt. Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason). Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him. I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me." Look at this the same kind of mafia nonsense, coincidently about a mafia too? How weird is this. Maybe this guy is scum huh? Maybe? | ||
| ||