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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote: My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. Can I have a read on Wade Fell /BH pl0x? | ||
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glurio
Germany597 Posts
On February 26 2013 12:12 MilkSuckler wrote: + Show Spoiler + [fluff contribution] Still waiting to hear a first post from: The Milkman glurio Chaos Bear Hassybaby You four: if you need a discussion prompter; what do you make of me? =========== and seeking more contributions in general from about another 5-8 players IIRC I assume you are mocsta. You are making more contributions than in the last game. (Except at the beginning where you did fuck around and i found it great that Waffels wanted to lynch you!) But i will keep watching you and your posts. Right now i'll vote for Waffels because i think he got it right with prom and looks townie to me. I also think geripts talking crazy. Stressor response? Mimickry, scripting? Reading emotional states? Stop talking about WoS and look somewhere else for a while. What do you make of OO? On February 26 2013 18:25 JungleJorge wrote: + Show Spoiler + I believe promethelax is innocent and I may expand on that if necessary, but it should be painfully obvious to anyone reading this thread how much traction this wagon got based on very poor reasoning by most of you. Much of the "scummy" behavior you have been pointing out is exactly the opposite of what scum normally tries to accomplish when they post. I suggest you revisit prom's filter and think about why he would post some of the stuff he has posted if he was indeed scum. I plan on being more specific later, but I'll give you guys some time to figure it out by yourselves. I would also like you to take a look on The Macho Man, as he is my best guess for scum amongst the "active" posters. Again, I'll come back to expand on this as well. See you guys in a few hours. Please expand. I took a look at macho mans filter. The beginning of his posts was weird as hell but he's a smurf so that should explain it. But other than the weirdness i couldn't find anything scummy in his posts so far. He does need to post a bit more though. Right now hes null. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote: My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
You can assume I am whoever you want me to be. (1) So what goods did "Waffels" bring to the table with prome, that wasnt on the table before? (2) On February 26 2013 23:03 glurio wrote: geripts ...What do you make of OO? What is your read on OO? (3) Now that you have caught up.. who is your top scum read pl0x | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote: wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... This is a bit of an over-reaction? no... Why are you so concerned with a some of the limelight on you; regardless of whether true or false accusations? | ||
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The Macho Man
171 Posts
On February 26 2013 10:35 Vivax wrote: What does everyone think about NachoMan picking me out of everyone else doing the same? Let's see, Toad made a guess, Wade is making guesses, Vivax made guesses. Who might be easier to lynch? Oh it's Vivax, everybody loves lynching Vivax. This guy tries insinuate that i am scum with this post and does not follow it up at all. HE comes off as scum that needs a crying towel. On February 26 2013 22:00 Promethelax wrote: Hey all, catching a jetplane outta here in a few minutes but I'm here right now. I'm still uncomfortable with Wade though knowing it is bh makes him less likely to be scum in my eyes. His weird d1 behaviour is weird in a blazing way, which I usually find scummy. Things I still find scummy in him: his omgus attack already mentioned, attacking me for having a changed read after I reread the thread (I get that everyone wants to get on my wagon now, its the in thing to do but assuming you do lynch me when I flip look for shoddy reasoning like Wade's), his obsession with the vet/newbie dichotomy (he is focusing on it to the exclusion of actual scum hunting) Things I find townie: his confidence and casual tone ("for all you know I'm warbaby" and "so no real opinions then") conclusion: keep an eye on, not a good day one lynch JJ on the other hand is looking scummier (again this only works for me but once I flip go back and look at my reads k thx) I am under a lot of pressure now and most/all of the vets and smurfs (i.e. probable vets want to lynch me) and yet JJ comes in and says I am town for no reason. He has a reason. He just won't share it. It looks to me like a scummer trying to gain a little cred on a mislynch while also not actually derail the lynch. This is his whole interaction with me/comment on me before his sudden defense conclusion: probably scum, would lynch. I'm heading out of town and will have limited internet access. I will post when I can. Good luck town! Prom is definitely not confirmed scum as the whole thread seems to think and the most concerning thing that he actually has done is this post here in saying that he isn't going to be active after all the pressure. This is the most tell sign that he is scum If he does not care about town and doesn't post then he should die. Vivax has actually done nothing this game and should die. If prom sticks around and contributes i say let him live vivax hasn't done anything. A vote for me is a vote to kill vivax the man who wants to appear active but in fact is doing nothing Vivax Macho madness is coming straight at you. | ||
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The Milkman
Mongolia140 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote: wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... Come on man, stop with that megalomania. I understand that you have high mafia-esteem, but I just noticed that you are not the star of the show. That's all. I saw your games where you were one of the most sparkling ones. On February 26 2013 22:53 MilkSuckler wrote: Can I have a read on Wade Fell /BH pl0x? I had a discreet read on his identity and I failed, but that's just an additional info basically more making the game more "human". He's BH - his style fits. He is aggressive as hell, a star of the show,. I have no idea but komodo dragon sounds like Kavdragon. Anyone? Please? Komodo dragon Kavdragon? No? Fine. Anyway, back on track. He shoots down Prome's rng plan. Okay, that's fine. RNG plans always get shot down. Shoots down randombum's idea too (yeah it was crap, sorry man) Supports DrH/VE as mayors, does not agree with "read only vets" agenda. When Aqua tries to understand his point, he spends the time to explain to him the best he can. He's putting effort and thought into his play. He cares for discourse. He is one of the people responsible for the good part of the Day so far. Real good work there. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:21 The Macho Man wrote: Prom is definitely not confirmed scum as the whole thread seems to think and the most concerning thing that he actually has done is this post here in saying that he isn't going to be active after all the pressure. This is the most tell sign that he is scum If he does not care about town and doesn't post then he should die. In fairness, Prome said pre-game he would be unavailable during this period of the cycle. So I dont treat the absence as scummy. You are the second person (after JungleJorge) to purport Prome innocent, with not backing. Considering he is under heavy scrutiny, I think it is the time to provide the evidence to support his innocence, instead of a soft-claim. I expect that you have voiced your opinion on this matter, you will have no qualms following through with the reasoning. Thank you. | ||
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The Macho Man
171 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:24 MilkSuckler wrote: In fairness, Prome said pre-game he would be unavailable during this period of the cycle. So I dont treat the absence as scummy. You are the second person (after JungleJorge) to purport Prome innocent, with not backing. Considering he is under heavy scrutiny, I think it is the time to provide the evidence to support his innocence, instead of a soft-claim. I expect that you have voiced your opinion on this matter, you will have no qualms following through with the reasoning. Thank you. he has been one of the more active guys seems interested in the game and looks like he cared about the lynch. Those are in fact townie traits. | ||
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The Milkman
Mongolia140 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:21 The Macho Man wrote: This guy tries insinuate that i am scum with this post and does not follow it up at all. HE comes off as scum that needs a crying towel. Prom is definitely not confirmed scum as the whole thread seems to think and the most concerning thing that he actually has done is this post here in saying that he isn't going to be active after all the pressure. This is the most tell sign that he is scum If he does not care about town and doesn't post then he should die. Vivax has actually done nothing this game and should die. If prom sticks around and contributes i say let him live vivax hasn't done anything. A vote for me is a vote to kill vivax the man who wants to appear active but in fact is doing nothing Vivax Macho madness is coming straight at you. Okay. I agree with Promethelax not caring about looking town is bad. His "goodbye" post is the most direct way to politely say you just don't care. Although, I don't agree about letting him go and replacing him with Vivax. Vivax's been spammy and useless, while BEING in the thread. He put zero effort, that's true, but that happens - especially at the start of the game. Of course, we should try to spend our limited time (48 hours seems so long, but as others have observed, it seems to be quite short given the switches happening nowadays) as best as we can. | ||
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The Milkman
Mongolia140 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:25 The Macho Man wrote: he has been one of the more active guys seems interested in the game and looks like he cared about the lynch. Those are in fact townie traits. Those are in fact traits which are very weak to call someone town. Does that mean that not posting means someone is scum? We all know how lurkers turn out. | ||
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The Macho Man
171 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:27 The Milkman wrote: Those are in fact traits which are very weak to call someone town. Does that mean that not posting means someone is scum? We all know how lurkers turn out. scum don't like the spotlight prom has been in the spotlight. That's mafia 101 come on. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote: He shoots down Prome's rng plan. Okay, that's fine. RNG plans always get shot down. Shoots down randombum's idea too (yeah it was crap, sorry man) Supports DrH/VE as mayors, does not agree with "read only vets" agenda. When Aqua tries to understand his point, he spends the time to explain to him the best he can. He's putting effort and thought into his play. He cares for discourse. He is one of the people responsible for the good part of the Day so far. Real good work there. OK, I look at those points and think where are the specific town tells? Though Dr.H *will* disagree, a large component of Day1 is spent establishing innocence. All those stances listed above I believe are easy to follow through as either scum or town. Out of those points raised, the closest to being indicative of town (in my opinion) is the discourse with Aquanim. Also, if you notice, when Aquanim first raised a query on the case; his response was: here is the link to the case. It wasn't until Aquanim persisted that a more detailed response was granted. === So far I still think Wade Fell is suspicious; but, if all the vets think Wade is town, perhaps I am missing an important part of the equation. What do you make of what I wrote above? Do you see validity of paranoia? | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:28 The Macho Man wrote: scum don't like the spotlight prom has been in the spotlight. That's mafia 101 come on. So let me haphazard a guess. That you are in the spotlight defending prome; suggests -with your logic - that you are not scum, due to mafia 101? Correct? | ||
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glurio
Germany597 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:10 MilkSuckler wrote: Welcome Glurio. You can assume I am whoever you want me to be. (1) So what goods did "Waffels" bring to the table with prome, that wasnt on the table before? (2) What is your read on OO? (3) Now that you have caught up.. who is your top scum read pl0x 1) He wanted to kill you. He put down the stupid RNG idea, also randombuns obviously flawed plan to elect the scummiest player. Some of his points on prome has been made before but DrH doesn't want to be mayor. Also he seems to be a reasonable player, with all that let's only hear vets opinions shenanigans. Thats why i vote for him. 2) Wanna hear geripts opinion first. 3) Prome | ||
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The Macho Man
171 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:37 MilkSuckler wrote: So let me haphazard a guess. That you are in the spotlight defending prome; suggests -with your logic - that you are not scum, due to mafia 101? Correct? of course | ||
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jcarlsoniv
United States27922 Posts
Not going to beat the dead horse of the Prom case. I will return in a few hours after class. Before I do, I will be looking at Vivax and Vayesh (initial gut reads after catching up), and I will comment on them then. | ||
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The Milkman
Mongolia140 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:28 The Macho Man wrote: scum don't like the spotlight prom has been in the spotlight. That's mafia 101 come on. That's Mafia Survival Guide for Dummies. I assume you know the distinction. On February 26 2013 23:31 MilkSuckler wrote: OK, I look at those points and think where are the specific town tells? Though Dr.H *will* disagree, a large component of Day1 is spent establishing innocence. All those stances listed above I believe are easy to follow through as either scum or town. Out of those points raised, the closest to being indicative of town (in my opinion) is the discourse with Aquanim. Also, if you notice, when Aquanim first raised a query on the case; his response was: here is the link to the case. It wasn't until Aquanim persisted that a more detailed response was granted. === So far I still think Wade Fell is suspicious; but, if all the vets think Wade is town, perhaps I am missing an important part of the equation. What do you make of what I wrote above? Do you see validity of paranoia? Hey, first off all, don't care about what vets say and what they don't say. We need people going in different direction, poking and random things ALL at once. Of course, we could all just nod when someone brings something to the table but that would get us nowhere. You know, the biggest danger for democracy is when everyone thinks the same. There is no innovation. There is no discourse. There is nothing to stop the present train of thought and as we know humans are not exactly the most clever species in the Universe. But I digress. I think putting effort into shooting down the plans is a decent town tell. When I roll Mafia I usually sit back and let chaos flow through people with all the different plans over the place. Since no one would tell them they suck or anything else, they would just repeat questions to others like they are in some crazed trance "Hey what do you think about my plan? Good right? Hey guys my plan is great. PAY ATTENTION TO MY PLAN PLAN PLAN PLAN" And things go into the bits with everyone trying to shove their plan into other people's faces. The support for DrH/VE is a good thing too - we need their play as role model for people who get a little lost. | ||
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MilkSuckler
Swaziland597 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:28 The Macho Man wrote: scum don't like the spotlight prom has been in the spotlight. That's mafia 101 come on. Macho Man (1) Do you think Vivax has been in the spotlight? He has seemed to draw attention from multiple stakeholders. is lynch interest the only separator between Vivax/prome for you? (2) I am confused when you say prome has been interested in the lynch? Can you please expand, because this conflicts with my opinions (already expressed here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=399294¤tpage=37#726) | ||
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The Milkman
Mongolia140 Posts
On February 26 2013 23:38 glurio wrote: 1) He wanted to kill you. He put down the stupid RNG idea, also randombuns obviously flawed plan to elect the scummiest player. Some of his points on prome has been made before but DrH doesn't want to be mayor. Also he seems to be a reasonable player, with all that let's only hear vets opinions shenanigans. Thats why i vote for him. 2) Wanna hear geripts opinion first. 3) Prome Why is geripts so detrimental to your opinion on OO? | ||
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