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On February 26 2013 23:38 glurio wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 23:10 MilkSuckler wrote:Welcome Glurio. You can assume I am whoever you want me to be. (1) So what goods did "Waffels" bring to the table with prome, that wasnt on the table before? (2) On February 26 2013 23:03 glurio wrote:
geripts ...What do you make of OO? What is your read on OO? (3) Now that you have caught up.. who is your top scum read pl0x 1) He wanted to kill you. He put down the stupid RNG idea, also randombuns obviously flawed plan to elect the scummiest player. Some of his points on prome has been made before but DrH doesn't want to be mayor. Also he seems to be a reasonable player, with all that let's only hear vets opinions shenanigans. Thats why i vote for him. 2) Wanna hear geripts opinion first. 3) Prome
Thanks for reciprocating Glurio, appreciated.
With (1) I think you have misinterpreted the question.
I am asking you what logic and reasoning did Waffels add to the prome case to sway you; as obviously something was lacking prior if you had to point out him as your catalyst.
(2) Why do you need Geript to comment on OO before you share your thoughts? Whats the issue at hand?
In regards to your interpretation of q(1) above.
You wrote "he wanted to kill you". Why is that a sound reason to vote someone? Do you think I am scummy, if so, why is prome scummier than I?
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Oh, thing I remembered. Is ObviousOne that new? His reaction to Chezinu is quite weird. The last game Chezinu has played was some time ago, unless he used a smurf I don't know of.
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On February 26 2013 23:41 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 23:28 The Macho Man wrote:On February 26 2013 23:27 The Milkman wrote:On February 26 2013 23:25 The Macho Man wrote:On February 26 2013 23:24 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 23:21 The Macho Man wrote:
Prom is definitely not confirmed scum as the whole thread seems to think and the most concerning thing that he actually has done is this post here in saying that he isn't going to be active after all the pressure. This is the most tell sign that he is scum
If he does not care about town and doesn't post then he should die.
In fairness, Prome said pre-game he would be unavailable during this period of the cycle. So I dont treat the absence as scummy. You are the second person (after JungleJorge) to purport Prome innocent, with not backing. Considering he is under heavy scrutiny, I think it is the time to provide the evidence to support his innocence, instead of a soft-claim. I expect that you have voiced your opinion on this matter, you will have no qualms following through with the reasoning. Thank you. he has been one of the more active guys seems interested in the game and looks like he cared about the lynch. Those are in fact townie traits. Those are in fact traits which are very weak to call someone town. Does that mean that not posting means someone is scum? We all know how lurkers turn out. scum don't like the spotlight prom has been in the spotlight. That's mafia 101 come on. That's Mafia Survival Guide for Dummies. I assume you know the distinction. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 23:31 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote:On February 26 2013 22:53 MilkSuckler wrote:
Can I have a read on Wade Fell /BH pl0x? He shoots down Prome's rng plan. Okay, that's fine. RNG plans always get shot down. Shoots down randombum's idea too (yeah it was crap, sorry man) Supports DrH/VE as mayors, does not agree with "read only vets" agenda. When Aqua tries to understand his point, he spends the time to explain to him the best he can. He's putting effort and thought into his play. He cares for discourse. He is one of the people responsible for the good part of the Day so far. Real good work there. OK, I look at those points and think where are the specific town tells? Though Dr.H *will* disagree, a large component of Day1 is spent establishing innocence. All those stances listed above I believe are easy to follow through as either scum or town. Out of those points raised, the closest to being indicative of town (in my opinion) is the discourse with Aquanim. Also, if you notice, when Aquanim first raised a query on the case; his response was: here is the link to the case. It wasn't until Aquanim persisted that a more detailed response was granted. === So far I still think Wade Fell is suspicious; but, if all the vets think Wade is town, perhaps I am missing an important part of the equation. What do you make of what I wrote above? Do you see validity of paranoia? Hey, first off all, don't care about what vets say and what they don't say. We need people going in different direction, poking and random things ALL at once. Of course, we could all just nod when someone brings something to the table but that would get us nowhere. You know, the biggest danger for democracy is when everyone thinks the same. There is no innovation. There is no discourse. There is nothing to stop the present train of thought and as we know humans are not exactly the most clever species in the Universe. But I digress. I think putting effort into shooting down the plans is a decent town tell. When I roll Mafia I usually sit back and let chaos flow through people with all the different plans over the place. Since no one would tell them they suck or anything else, they would just repeat questions to others like they are in some crazed trance "Hey what do you think about my plan? Good right? Hey guys my plan is great. PAY ATTENTION TO MY PLAN PLAN PLAN PLAN" And things go into the bits with everyone trying to shove their plan into other people's faces. The support for DrH/VE is a good thing too - we need their play as role model for people who get a little lost.
Im a sceptic of those antics being town, because as mafia; I have no qualms trying to push that agenda D1. To me they are easy to take stances, as long as you are willing to commit to being active. An aggressive player like BH to me suits that modus operandi.
Having said that, I think I figured out the missing piece of the puzzle.
With no bodyguards, mayor is not a role that I think scum is gunning for THAT majorly. Its nice to secure a mislynch D1; but ultimately, the risk of thread presence probably does not outweight the reward.
So if BH is pushing that hard for such a low gain, I can see that as town inspired play as opposed to scum.
I still prefer VE with my vote though.
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I vote for waffels since he clearly states he wants to lynch prom who i think is scum. He looks towniest to me from all the candidates so i vote for him.
I wanted geript to state his opinion without being influenced from whatever i write but if you are so eager i'll write it.
OOs filter consists mostly of one-liners. The worst was probably this post.
On February 26 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing.
He actually acknowledges to just post chaos with detriment to the town atmosphere. Why would he do that? So he could post something actually useful tomorrow? I don't understand this logic.
So far he's really useless, only thing he does is disrupting town atmosphere, which he even admits to.
I thought you were useless at the beginning of the game, yes. Do i think you're scummier than prome right now? No. But as is already said i'll keep my eye on you.
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On February 26 2013 23:41 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 23:28 The Macho Man wrote:
scum don't like the spotlight prom has been in the spotlight. That's mafia 101 come on. Macho Man (1) Do you think Vivax has been in the spotlight? He has seemed to draw attention from multiple stakeholders. is lynch interest the only separator between Vivax/prome for you?
vivax has not been in the spotlight at all he just seems like he wants to appear active with pointless posts that do nothing. He does not look like he is trying to figure out peoples alignment at all. Ie throws shit at me but does nothing with. That is extremely mafia motivated mindset because he doesn't want the attention of trying to push for my lynch but still wants to throw needless suspicion.
his thoughts on ve and grush come to mind figuring out that some people might be town is useful in a mayor vote
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lets see who is putting effort and looking closely at things
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On February 27 2013 00:04 The Macho Man wrote:
vivax has not been in the spotlight at all he just seems like he wants to appear active with pointless posts that do nothing. He does not look like he is trying to figure out peoples alignment at all. Ie throws shit at me but does nothing with. That is extremely mafia motivated mindset because he doesn't want the attention of trying to push for my lynch but still wants to throw needless suspicion. I am having trouble understanding how you can claim Vivax is "extremely mafia motivated" when it is known he is typically a "trolly" type player.
If he is such a scum read for you; why not lead pressure on Vivax? I noticed you called him out, and then proceed to declare he should die. Where is the intention to understand whether your read was made abruptly?
On February 27 2013 00:04 The Macho Man wrote:
his thoughts on ve and grush come to mind figuring out that some people might be town is useful in a mayor vote Im not seeing the connection to why commenting about starsenses (i.e. Grush) is useful in a mayor vote.
Are you looking for someone who declares openly their town reads; or are you looking for someone actively engaging others in the scum hunt?
Please share your logic process.
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On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote:
My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... Come on man, stop with that megalomania. I understand that you have high mafia-esteem, but I just noticed that you are not the star of the show. That's all. I saw your games where you were one of the most sparkling ones. [...]
Isn't that kind of contradicting itself? You expect me to be the star of the show and tell me I should have been more active around 4 to 5 am my time..
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On February 27 2013 00:15 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote:On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote:
My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... Come on man, stop with that megalomania. I understand that you have high mafia-esteem, but I just noticed that you are not the star of the show. That's all. I saw your games where you were one of the most sparkling ones. [...] Isn't that kind of contradicting itself? You expect me to be the star of the show and tell me I should have been more active around 4 to 5 am my time..
Toad, you made enough posts but just did not get into the front row. I am not attacking you for not playing 24h, I am just saying that you DID post but your presence was not as strong as it usually is.
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On February 27 2013 00:01 glurio wrote:I vote for waffels since he clearly states he wants to lynch prom who i think is scum. He looks towniest to me from all the candidates so i vote for him. I wanted geript to state his opinion without being influenced from whatever i write but if you are so eager i'll write it. OOs filter consists mostly of one-liners. The worst was probably this post. Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:51 ObviousOne wrote:On February 26 2013 10:49 VayeshMoru wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 10:46 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 10:09 VayeshMoru wrote:
Vayesh finds all this talking hard on the head. He believes silencing Vivax would ease the suffering of all considerably. After that silence is attained the society of cult killers should move on to discussing real mayoral choices. Those who decide to blend in with shadow and hide their faces are no better than doomsday bringers. What has convinced VayeshMoru that Vivax should be the one to surrender to The Light? when one speaks, meaning should be revealed. Instead when Vivax speaks confusion is created. Men of order and truth have no reason to create chaos, to mute those of worth. One could say similar things about the ObviousOne. The ObviousOne has said a great many things to the detriment of the atmopshere, but the ObviousOne feels his time is best utilized in preparing today's records for tomorrow's filing. He actually acknowledges to just post chaos with detriment to the town atmosphere. Why would he do that? So he could post something actually useful tomorrow? I don't understand this logic. So far he's really useless, only thing he does is disrupting town atmosphere, which he even admits to. I thought you were useless at the beginning of the game, yes. Do i think you're scummier than prome right now? No. But as is already said i'll keep my eye on you.
As for ObviousOne, I am suspicious of him as well. He makes this shady post about geript:
+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 09:40 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 09:39 Vivax wrote:On February 26 2013 09:34 ObviousOne wrote:
Top scum read probably geript at the very moment. His candidacy for mayor seems like a disaster waiting to happen. Guaranteed mislynch from him as either alignment. And what exactly makes him scum? I'm living in the moment here. I don't make anything of the WF JJ shenanigans yet. Got asked a question, gave an answer. Ask me about geript again in 23 hours, okay? Promise?
He says geript is his top scum read but he has nothing to say about him? That's at least weird.
That's also REALLY fast to have a "top scum read" and not just A scum read. Like, I guess you can have your suspicions, but so much that you can call a read a top one?
He also wants to kill Macho Man for some reason and supports Vivax as mayor.
+ Show Spoiler +On February 26 2013 11:07 Aquanim wrote:Show nested quote +On February 26 2013 11:01 ObviousOne wrote:
Aqua didn't like that I gave a gut read based on a hypothetical scenario when I didn't have anything better in mind. He's going to hold it against me forever and ever. The end. Oh, and OO's martyring about it isn't changing my mind at all. Give it a day or so. On February 26 2013 11:09 ObviousOne wrote:
Martyring? LOL
That is a fairly inaccurate representation of what I'm doing here. You could have tunneled on me just as easily if I said "fucked if I know who is scum" and the only pressure I'm feeling right now is coming from my bowels care of this afternoon's tacos.
Basically Aquanim pressures him a little bit and he gets into this weird overly aggressive defence stance. Most of his posts could be considered trolling but they are quite disruptive, also notice that he does not like quoting the posts he is replying to >_>
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On February 27 2013 00:17 The Milkman wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:15 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote:On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote:
My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... Come on man, stop with that megalomania. I understand that you have high mafia-esteem, but I just noticed that you are not the star of the show. That's all. I saw your games where you were one of the most sparkling ones. [...] Isn't that kind of contradicting itself? You expect me to be the star of the show and tell me I should have been more active around 4 to 5 am my time.. Toad, you made enough posts but just did not get into the front row. I am not attacking you for not playing 24h, I am just saying that you DID post but your presence was not as strong as it usually is.
I said I'd be willing to bet VE's left ball on prom benig mafia and that we need to kill him. What exactly do you consider thread presence? Because it does sound like you don't consider me enough in people's faces from what I'm reading and quite frankly I don't think I can be more into peoples faces as I've been the first couple of hours this game.
I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now.
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On February 27 2013 00:12 MilkSuckler wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:04 The Macho Man wrote:
vivax has not been in the spotlight at all he just seems like he wants to appear active with pointless posts that do nothing. He does not look like he is trying to figure out peoples alignment at all. Ie throws shit at me but does nothing with. That is extremely mafia motivated mindset because he doesn't want the attention of trying to push for my lynch but still wants to throw needless suspicion. I am having trouble understanding how you can claim Vivax is "extremely mafia motivated" when it is known he is typically a "trolly" type player. If he is such a scum read for you; why not lead pressure on Vivax? I noticed you called him out, and then proceed to declare he should die. Where is the intention to understand whether your read was made abruptly? Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:04 The Macho Man wrote:
his thoughts on ve and grush come to mind figuring out that some people might be town is useful in a mayor vote Im not seeing the connection to why commenting about starsenses (i.e. Grush) is useful in a mayor vote. Are you looking for someone who declares openly their town reads; or are you looking for someone actively engaging others in the scum hunt? Please share your logic process.
because we want town in those positions not mafia. We figure out who town is vote them thats why town reads are useful right now.
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On February 27 2013 00:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:17 The Milkman wrote:On February 27 2013 00:15 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote:On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote:
My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... Come on man, stop with that megalomania. I understand that you have high mafia-esteem, but I just noticed that you are not the star of the show. That's all. I saw your games where you were one of the most sparkling ones. [...] Isn't that kind of contradicting itself? You expect me to be the star of the show and tell me I should have been more active around 4 to 5 am my time.. Toad, you made enough posts but just did not get into the front row. I am not attacking you for not playing 24h, I am just saying that you DID post but your presence was not as strong as it usually is. I said I'd be willing to bet VE's left ball on prom benig mafia 2 hours into the game and that we need to kill him. What exactly do you consider thread presence? Because it does sound like you don't consider me enough in people's faces from what I'm reading and quite frankly I don't think I can be more into peoples faces as I've been the first couple of hours this game. I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now.
EWBOP
am in a game of dota right now so I'm only posting very quickly inbetween deaths :p
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On February 27 2013 00:26 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:25 Toadesstern wrote:On February 27 2013 00:17 The Milkman wrote:On February 27 2013 00:15 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote:On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote:
My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... Come on man, stop with that megalomania. I understand that you have high mafia-esteem, but I just noticed that you are not the star of the show. That's all. I saw your games where you were one of the most sparkling ones. [...] Isn't that kind of contradicting itself? You expect me to be the star of the show and tell me I should have been more active around 4 to 5 am my time.. Toad, you made enough posts but just did not get into the front row. I am not attacking you for not playing 24h, I am just saying that you DID post but your presence was not as strong as it usually is. I said I'd be willing to bet VE's left ball on prom benig mafia 2 hours into the game and that we need to kill him. What exactly do you consider thread presence? Because it does sound like you don't consider me enough in people's faces from what I'm reading and quite frankly I don't think I can be more into peoples faces as I've been the first couple of hours this game. I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now. EWBOPam in a game of dota right now so I'm only posting very quickly inbetween deaths :p
so a lot?
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On February 27 2013 00:25 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:12 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 27 2013 00:04 The Macho Man wrote:
vivax has not been in the spotlight at all he just seems like he wants to appear active with pointless posts that do nothing. He does not look like he is trying to figure out peoples alignment at all. Ie throws shit at me but does nothing with. That is extremely mafia motivated mindset because he doesn't want the attention of trying to push for my lynch but still wants to throw needless suspicion. I am having trouble understanding how you can claim Vivax is "extremely mafia motivated" when it is known he is typically a "trolly" type player. If he is such a scum read for you; why not lead pressure on Vivax? I noticed you called him out, and then proceed to declare he should die. Where is the intention to understand whether your read was made abruptly? On February 27 2013 00:04 The Macho Man wrote:
his thoughts on ve and grush come to mind figuring out that some people might be town is useful in a mayor vote Im not seeing the connection to why commenting about starsenses (i.e. Grush) is useful in a mayor vote. Are you looking for someone who declares openly their town reads; or are you looking for someone actively engaging others in the scum hunt? Please share your logic process. because we want town in those positions not mafia. We figure out who town is vote them thats why town reads are useful right now. Right, so are you willing to vote for Grush based on prome meta read?
And pls comment on what I said regarding Vivax
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Early game has been known to me for being not much serious and not very posty by many players. This early game instead kickstarted. I think an effective way to find scum in these stages is to find people who are too serious in a trolly environment and trying to look like they're posting a lot there.
Now there are voices that say that policy discussion favours mafia. Given the way people were still talking about the stupid mayor dozens of pages into the thread it also seems townies love to talk about policy just cause of the sheer amount of people talking about it. That will make it hard to identify mafia just based on policy talk alone.
What is instead possible is to categorize people into multiple classes based on the tone of their posts and also about policy interest, although mafia probably won't be findable just cause of the latter while townies talk so much about that as well.
Proceeding - chronological order:
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Me: Jokey start.
MilkSuckler: Trolly start, bait post.
WaveOfShadow: Motivational early post, announces he'll lay back and watch.
Layabout: Posts a creepy drawing, proposes the policy to lynch policy proposers.
Toad: doesn't want to be mayor.
VE: Announces candidacy, asks if he should run against MS.
Aquanim: Serious question to MS if he wants to run despite no bodyguards.
Restraining Order: Says MS didn't read, subtly criticizes pre-written post.
Toad: Talks bad about MS cause of prewritten post. Turns it into a WF support into lynching MS right after. Then unvotes and uncovers the posts' origin.
ObviousOne: Candidacy of jokey nature.
JJ: Mayor irrelevant, vote for the guy lynching the right guy.
BH: Semi-jokey candidacy, attacks JJ for previous statement.
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Prom: Candidacy with serious sounding post.
BH: Explains implications of mayoral candidacy.
JJ: Expresses doubts about WF's activity.
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That is enough material to extrapolate useful information for a start. The line indicates more or less the moment shit gets serious and the joke phase is over. Pretty quickly that was.
Boring serious people: WoS, Toad, VE, aquanim, restraining order, JJ, Prom.
In between people: Layabout, BH
Jokey: Me, Milksuckler, ObviousOne
Talks about mayoral election: Toad, VE, aquanim, OO, JJ, BH
Doesn't talk about it: restraining order, me
Let's get down to business then. First of all I would like to give you my opinion about the mayoral election: I didn't give it much importance. One lynch, two votes, that's it. A townie looking guy gets elected, either a townie looking guy gets confirmed if he hits scum or townie looking scum rides the wave to a mislynch and can shake off responsibility for it.
My major interest laid in creating a nice atmosphere where we can have fun together and catch butterflies all day so that people who are scum actually feel safe to play like scum. What I've learned in past games is that people I read as scum got a valid reason to not answer questions when I actually read them as scum and called them like that.
"Oh what you call me scum you idiot fine I'll ignore you" fuck that shit.
To catch scum you have to let them feel cosy, when they think they didn't have the pressure to post for two days, then you will struck them with holy might knowing that they actually had the confidence to really play like lurky scum. When they don't know you will push for their lynch at deadline they will post more information, closer to their agenda than to the one made visible by townies.
Since town doesn't seem to want to adopt such an innovative strategy, let's move on with standard play.
Purely based on these early game interactions I've become wary of restraining order/marv given his early dead serious tone despite the comparatively low interest into the mayor candidates. He subtly shovelled shit at MS for that awesome post and fucked off ignoring most of the early opinions.
However, given his later contributions to the pardoner talk, dissuading town from following Toad's terrible plan, my read switched back to a more townie one, especially when he suggested that WoS should be elected, which I agree with. I am curious to see what else he will contribute.
ObviousOne first serious post was when he spat out his geript scumread that made me suspicious of him, I actually liked his answer, very townie cause bold along with his lighthearted early posts.
aquanim I have a slight scumread on, his early contributions consist of asking MS a pointless question and then saying there's a voting thread. He likes to pick on people like WoS and OO, who I have townreads on and are at best guilty of lighthearted and at worst clumsy play. Most of his filter looks much artificial, his answers to reads look forced. I advise you to analyse him properly and I will support a mayor willing to lynch him.
Layabout could be lurky scum. If he's town I'd like him to post more. I remember him being an aggressive pusher as town in fruity mafia.
JJ is a good lynch candidate. His attack on me for playing casually is a scum trait, and he quit pursuing me asking me a weird question about what I think. Well, after the last refresh (23:40 TL time) I see he's actually back to get me. Saying I didn't follow up after calling him scummy for what he did, too bad that I went to sleep around 3 AM and I'm spending 2:30 hours with reading and writing this post, so his argument is again scummy and not thought out.
The argument he's used didn't apply to me, but also to Toad and some other dudes. He seems to think people trying to guess smurf identities are scum, as pointed out in my earlier post.
Last on in the chronology and hotly disputed in the thread: Prom. There's a lot to work on with him.
What bothers me about Prom is his unusual lack of confidence. He came dead serious into the thread with his RNG lynch idea, but didn't actually RNG anyone at that point, and even said he would lynch himself, which is a retarded thing to do when you know you're town. When people criticized him for his behaviour regarding the RNG, he quickly switched to a WoS lynch preference.
Then he votes VE, who wants to lynch him. Again, a point towards scumprom, who would probably not want to get lynched as town, it looks like a subtle buddying attempt.
Then again, it confuses me that he's been interacting in a way with VE that suggests that he would rethink his townread on me if just VE convinced him. That was after VE said he thinks I'm scum based on association with Prom (stupid reason).
Trying to see this from a scumprom perspective, this doesn't make sense to me. A scumprom would probably try to convince VE that there is an association and that he's null or town on me to frame me for later. Instead he expressed being content with changing his read on me if VE convinced him.
I am null on Prom given how he's been handling his reads of me.
Geript looked pretty scummy to me yesterday, but since he's a newbie that might just be a consequence of that. His attacks on me cause of me being casual made me pretty suspicious, and his blabber about an agenda linked to that as well, but I don't want to lynch a newbie this early, they can look scummy as either alignment.
In retrospect I'm not really able to get proper reads out for the early behaviour since it seems that scummy people seem to be scattered across the categories, but I thought I'd make an on-the-go-attempt to use that type of analysis.
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On February 27 2013 00:25 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On February 27 2013 00:17 The Milkman wrote:On February 27 2013 00:15 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 23:22 The Milkman wrote:On February 26 2013 23:09 Toadesstern wrote:On February 26 2013 22:33 The Milkman wrote:
My initial read on Promethelax was such a disaster, I support his lynch wholeheartedly. His play does not sum up as a town one in my book. He should push analysis, help with shooting down bad plans, actually scum hunt and so on. What is his reaction to pressure? No reaction. He just seems to start posting one liners and filler. I understand Dr's reluctance to be elected mayor, he just wants to play for a little while for once. Viscera is playing cool too. Milksuckler got a little townier than at the start, he seemed cold. Now he seems to be in the mafia trance! Vivax is in my opinion playing terribly, trying to do meaningless stuff like smurf identities, spamming and overall fluff. Toad strikes me as suspicious because of his position and calling for day vig. He does not seem right based on meta - he is not the guy to be "somewhere" but the guy to be at the top of town's structure. Leading, working hard and scumhunting. wat? Are you kidding me? I did more than anyone in this game so far. The game started 01 am my time. That's really late and still everyone's on prom because of the 3 posts I DID about him and laya / VE and later on everyone else agreeing with what I said / repeating what I said about prom in everyone's one words. What do you expect me to do on top of what I already did this game? Especially considering that it was 1am at the time the game started and I went to bed around 3am (stayed awake longer because I felt I could get something going on prom and I was right lol). I'd punch you in the face for that statement of your. And I'm not talking about mafia "punch in you the face" à la lynching you. Take a look what I posted and consider that the time you are telling me I should have been more active, being "on top of town" were between 3am and 12am... Come on man, stop with that megalomania. I understand that you have high mafia-esteem, but I just noticed that you are not the star of the show. That's all. I saw your games where you were one of the most sparkling ones. [...] Isn't that kind of contradicting itself? You expect me to be the star of the show and tell me I should have been more active around 4 to 5 am my time.. Toad, you made enough posts but just did not get into the front row. I am not attacking you for not playing 24h, I am just saying that you DID post but your presence was not as strong as it usually is. I said I'd be willing to bet VE's left ball on prom benig mafia and that we need to kill him. What exactly do you consider thread presence? Because it does sound like you don't consider me enough in people's faces from what I'm reading and quite frankly I don't think I can be more into peoples faces as I've been the first couple of hours this game. I'm just trying to understand what you're accusing me of... especially considering that I've got people in skype laughing about me because it's so obvious I'm town this game and I won't stand a chance next time I roll mafia if I keep on playing the way I am right now.
No discussing ongoing games? Whatever.
I am just saying that you got into my memory after reading the thread not as the one of the top contributors, but one of these guys who were around but did not make a "splash". Usually you leave a different feeling in my mind. I guess it's hard to explain. Anyway, that's just my musings.
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The important question is:
We don't vote the lynch targets today, we vote the mayor, and to me it looks like there's lack of selection.
VE looks dead set on me and Prom. Dunno about Prom, but I'm not voting for someone lynching me.
If you vote for me, I'll lynch JJ or aqua. If anyone wants my vote, tell me who you would lynch and I will tell you if you have my support.
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Why are people of low thread presence trying to defend Promethelax and swing the lynch somewhere else?
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