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On February 28 2013 11:11 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:05 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 10:59 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2013 10:32 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 10:06 WaveofShadow wrote:
Smurfing definitely too hard. And geript was right I see. Good on him I guess.
Alright so two words have been going through my head since the successful lynch...
TOO EASY.
I know that we're not supposed to think this way but isn't Prom a vet mafia player? Did he really think a fake discussion about RNG was going to get stuff going and create confusion? (Maybe he thought the newbies in the game would contribute to it somehow?)
Trying to look good way too hard and voting the first townie-looking guy he saw into office then disappearing for good?
I don't like it one bit, and now I have to sift through the clusterfuck at the end of D1 to try and learn anything. What the fuck was wrong with all of you?
One of Prome problems was that he caught my smurf the night before the game started. We had a pre-game chat, and he signaled his desire to unleash his 'awesome' plan. So in some aspects he had to follow through regardless of alignment. His other problem was that he openly voiced he would be absent for a majority of Day1 cycle. I can easily see the scum qt using this as a situation to bus him - if required. The key would be that someone had to lead the case. This leaves:Toad, VE, Dr.H, MilkSucker, Wade Fell ... I would think one of these is scum I think Toad is unlikely to have cast *THAT* much suspicion early game.
I think my case showed the most thought process behind the analysis.. i think that makes me unlikely to be scum.
I think Wade Fell would not have walked through the points with Aquanim in as much detail.. making him less unlikely to be scum.. however, because of the mayor situation he could have seen it as a win-win (bus prome and gain town leadership points)
VE is interesting.. he followed on after Toad (which even though came early game, could be a guy seeing an opportunity).. To be honest, my main problems with VE revolve around his end of cycle play.. its almost as if he was building up to NOT lynch prome.. this is a problem.. i dont know him well enough to know if this is part of this normal play.
Dr.H is interesting too..his no bullshit approach I think is indicative of town... but several seem to doubt him,.. i am not sure if its because they think he is too abrasive. (so personal dislike).. or because I have wool over my eyes.. I will need to re-read him. ======= If someone needs to be scrutinsed this cycle, I would lead on VE. especially after his sheep of toad again to list 3 points to consider grush as scum (and the 3 points were all null indicative) *back to work.. be back later* The fuck, Mocsta? You suspect yourself? Upon looking back at the horrible mess that was pre-lynch a couple ideas popped into my head but honestly they're not worth voicing because they're way too complicated and unlikely to be true. All the same I REALLY didn't like the Toad/VE fiasco... DrH and to some extent BH seem quote townie to me, DrH especially. If he's not town just like Zare early last game I'd be terrified for us all. I added myself because I have nothing to hide and I was one of the ppl who built a case on prome. I think its null I included myself.. I was active enough in promes lynch (in my opinion) that as scum I would have to consider myself in that list regardless. If you think I included myself in that list to then clear myself of suspicion straight after (by saying its unlikely I am scum).. well.. then you really need to read my filter and determine for yourself whether you think I am scum or town. I'm not accusing you of anything, I was just confused to be honest. As far as involvement in the case on Prom forming associations....the problem is I don't feel the Prom flip really accomplished anything aside from lynching scum. Which is great, but since he was gone so early and for so long I don't think we can gather enough concrete info about other people from that. As I said I have some really convoluted suspicions that are possible but not nearly enough to go on, and as people have stated, Occam's Razor. Biggest thing I learnt from my first newbie.
KISS
Keep It Simple
All of us have an ego and want to catch the super scum plan and get the glory.. But in reality SO many variables have to occur for this to be likely (i.e. all scum players will have to know each other intimately etc).. This game is full of smurfs and newbies... just Keep it Simple
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On February 28 2013 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
For what it's worth, I feel like any kind of "building up to not lynch Prom" you're seeing Milk is nullified by the fact that I've been pushing since yesterday to get DocH elected. I did my best to not get elected, I even capsraged. The veteran players didn't want me as Mayor so I wanted to oblige them. Unless for some reason you think that DocH was unlikely to lynch Prom, then your point about me "building up to not lynch Prom" being a problem is moot. At no point did I not want today's lynch to be Prom. Ever. Not even to mention the fact that...you know...I'm mayor...and I lynched Prom. That's just icing.
Do I need to quote the posts where you say with 'authority'
that you are uncertain with prome as YOUR lynch, and could change your decision.
This brings to mind. I think it was TestSubject, who said, ppl deserve to know who you are lynching.. because they are voting for you on the premise you will vote prome.
The mayor lynch means Sweet Fuck All
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On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote:
My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed.
What do you make of my comment regarding your image-based defense?
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On February 28 2013 11:19 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 28 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
For what it's worth, I feel like any kind of "building up to not lynch Prom" you're seeing Milk is nullified by the fact that I've been pushing since yesterday to get DocH elected. I did my best to not get elected, I even capsraged. The veteran players didn't want me as Mayor so I wanted to oblige them. Unless for some reason you think that DocH was unlikely to lynch Prom, then your point about me "building up to not lynch Prom" being a problem is moot. At no point did I not want today's lynch to be Prom. Ever. Not even to mention the fact that...you know...I'm mayor...and I lynched Prom. That's just icing. No, lynching someone who not lynching would get you lynched is nothing. Not icing, nothing.
Bingo
Geript
Can I have your updated thoughts on Dr.H; now that is he the pardoner - something you were against.
Do you think his approach his cycle is something scum can easily follow through with?
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On February 28 2013 11:20 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:18 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 28 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
For what it's worth, I feel like any kind of "building up to not lynch Prom" you're seeing Milk is nullified by the fact that I've been pushing since yesterday to get DocH elected. I did my best to not get elected, I even capsraged. The veteran players didn't want me as Mayor so I wanted to oblige them. Unless for some reason you think that DocH was unlikely to lynch Prom, then your point about me "building up to not lynch Prom" being a problem is moot. At no point did I not want today's lynch to be Prom. Ever. Not even to mention the fact that...you know...I'm mayor...and I lynched Prom. That's just icing. Do I need to quote the posts where you say with 'authority' that you are uncertain with prome as YOUR lynch, and could change your decision. This brings to mind. I think it was TestSubject, who said, ppl deserve to know who you are lynching.. because they are voting for you on the premise you will vote prome. The mayor lynch means Sweet Fuck All Which is exactly why I didn't mention it. Did you want to respond to the post above that one? I didn't want to be mayor FOR THAT REASON. I tried to NOT be mayor FOR THAT REASON.
If I went with the premise that prome was an early orchestrated bus.. I think this clears you.. there is no reason for you to bus prome, be a mayor front runner and then sow uncertainty with prome... it woudl be obvious you would get the heat you are now.
You could have easily rode the wave, and become essentially confirmed town.
I dunno if you are devious enough, to hope that someone comes to the above reasoning, to then say.. well you must be confirmed town then as the above doesnt apply. Either way, sounds too risky of a play to me.
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If I went with the premise that you tried to create distance, but actually ended up catching prome with his pants down.. well I could see why you would want to create uncertainty. But this story doesnt sell with promes final post.. effectively giving you permission to bus him without looking back.
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Two questions
(1) Macho was a prome supporter, and gave 0 reasoning. Even now, he has no scum reads.. What do you make of this?
(2) IIRC, all of Wade Fell posting has been around mayor campaigns. Even his scum reads/cases are used as a platform for the campaign. I never played with BH.. is he that self-centric?
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On February 28 2013 11:31 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:28 The Macho Man wrote:On February 28 2013 11:26 JungleJorge wrote:On February 28 2013 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote:
My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. Again, the people who 'voted to lynch' Prom means nothing considering he more or less damned himself from the get-go. Very easy bus. Congratulations, you have proven I'm not confirmed town for wanting to lynch prome. Come back later when you have something useful. Or better, look into people like TMM who is actually scum. you know your allowed to comment on someone other than me. Is this how you decided your going to contribute? The guilt pours out of your pores as you type this half hearted mudslinging attempt . Rest at ease, you aren't long for this world.
JJ I dont like MachoMan either.
You mentioned filter diving before.. Can I get you to prioritise Geript pls?
My read on him has evolved since the lynch, I want to know if we are on the same page.
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On February 28 2013 11:32 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:31 JungleJorge wrote:On February 28 2013 11:28 The Macho Man wrote:On February 28 2013 11:26 JungleJorge wrote:On February 28 2013 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote:
My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. Again, the people who 'voted to lynch' Prom means nothing considering he more or less damned himself from the get-go. Very easy bus. Congratulations, you have proven I'm not confirmed town for wanting to lynch prome. Come back later when you have something useful. Or better, look into people like TMM who is actually scum. you know your allowed to comment on someone other than me. Is this how you decided your going to contribute? The guilt pours out of your pores as you type this half hearted mudslinging attempt . Rest at ease, you aren't long for this world. ok just checking you would be scum read #1 then if thats all you plan on doing.
OMGUS anyone?
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On February 28 2013 11:33 VisceraEyes wrote:
1) iamp is always a problem for me to read. I'll have to filter him to give you an answer, but honestly his inactivity will make that harder. I will do my best when I get home.
2) Yes. Very much so. He wants nothing more than for his epeen to grow. It's not alignment indicative.
Noted on #2 and as I suspected.
Can we expect him to be a contributor later on; now that the mayor game is over?
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On February 28 2013 11:36 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:34 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 11:32 The Macho Man wrote:On February 28 2013 11:31 JungleJorge wrote:On February 28 2013 11:28 The Macho Man wrote:On February 28 2013 11:26 JungleJorge wrote:On February 28 2013 11:23 WaveofShadow wrote:On February 28 2013 11:17 JungleJorge wrote:
My light went out right after I proposed to elect prom pardoner, so I was unable to be more useful with my vote. I will be glad to be lynched/vigged whenever I'm wrong about someone. Until then I ask you to bare with me. And stop calling me bad because it's irritating and most of you doing it suck. I did conclude that prome was mafia and ended up voting to lynch him. Now, you may believe I'm scum and was bussing, but until then I'd like to have my posts read and not dismissed. Again, the people who 'voted to lynch' Prom means nothing considering he more or less damned himself from the get-go. Very easy bus. Congratulations, you have proven I'm not confirmed town for wanting to lynch prome. Come back later when you have something useful. Or better, look into people like TMM who is actually scum. you know your allowed to comment on someone other than me. Is this how you decided your going to contribute? The guilt pours out of your pores as you type this half hearted mudslinging attempt . Rest at ease, you aren't long for this world. ok just checking you would be scum read #1 then if thats all you plan on doing. OMGUS anyone? actually its not you see he basically decided that his way of "contributing" for the next coming cycle is to tunnel the hell out of me. I in the mean time will be looking for more scum jj can die though.
Well I look forward to your first scum read that isnt a +1.. and isnt based on someone attacking you.
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On February 28 2013 11:37 geript wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:26 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 28 2013 11:19 geript wrote:On February 28 2013 11:13 VisceraEyes wrote:On February 28 2013 11:11 VisceraEyes wrote:
For what it's worth, I feel like any kind of "building up to not lynch Prom" you're seeing Milk is nullified by the fact that I've been pushing since yesterday to get DocH elected. I did my best to not get elected, I even capsraged. The veteran players didn't want me as Mayor so I wanted to oblige them. Unless for some reason you think that DocH was unlikely to lynch Prom, then your point about me "building up to not lynch Prom" being a problem is moot. At no point did I not want today's lynch to be Prom. Ever. Not even to mention the fact that...you know...I'm mayor...and I lynched Prom. That's just icing. No, lynching someone who not lynching would get you lynched is nothing. Not icing, nothing. First you argue that I'm bitching about Toad killstealing Prom. Now you're arguing that I was trying to NOT lynch Prom. Make up your mind dude - it makes blending in a lot easier. *nod* I made no such argument. I stated that selecting someone who you've run your campaign on being mayor is worth nothing. Being waffly on him earlier was worth less. I also agreed that you weren't trying to run for mayor... Other positions however... I also pointed out that you lied about not mentioning selecting Prome as being worth something. You're a lying liar. Day vigs, wait until dawn please.
Hold up RipTide
If you can reply to this... you can reply to my last request of you.
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On February 28 2013 11:40 JungleJorge wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:33 MilkSuckler wrote:
JJ I dont like MachoMan either.
You mentioned filter diving before.. Can I get you to prioritise Geript pls?
My read on him has evolved since the lynch, I want to know if we are on the same page. I've actually looked at geript and don't think he should be one of our main suspects for tomorrow. I'm leaning town on him.
This actually aligns for me (as in I have gone from probably scum, to "null"
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On February 28 2013 11:45 JungleJorge wrote:
Obviously what I got was much better, basically a scum claim from prom in my eyes.
Please expound
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On February 28 2013 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:48 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 11:45 JungleJorge wrote:
Obviously what I got was much better, basically a scum claim from prom in my eyes. Please expound Attacking his defender is basically impossible logic for town. If prom was town then jj would have been correct, there would be nothing to criticize.
Yes; but JJ talks as if the reaction was intentional.
Maybe hes a super duper mafia player or whatever, but yeah, I dont see how that action is claimable for town cred.
If anything the action of prome, sealed his fate.. but also leaves JJ as null/leaning scum (I outlined reasons before)
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On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good.
I dont give a flying fuck about tomorrow being good.
You raise the play this cycle...
The whole "case" was a big wall of fluff... if you gotta problem with aqua.. put some fucking quotes that highlight how his questions go no where, and dont show a guy trying to figure things out.
saying, for me to filter dive both of you is a big waste of time.
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On February 28 2013 11:55 geript wrote:
@Moc you're asking me to read, analyze and evaluate a filter from work on my phone. That is impossible.
Apologies, I thought with the posts you were giving to VE you were back.
Trust me, I am understanding of phone posting.. heck.. its how I outted my smurf 
[fluff]
I dont think you woulda found me out, if prome didnt know it was me
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On February 28 2013 11:57 DoctorHelvetica wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:54 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:On February 28 2013 11:48 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 11:45 JungleJorge wrote:
Obviously what I got was much better, basically a scum claim from prom in my eyes. Please expound Attacking his defender is basically impossible logic for town. If prom was town then jj would have been correct, there would be nothing to criticize. Yes; but JJ talks as if the reaction was intentional. Maybe hes a super duper mafia player or whatever, but yeah, I dont see how that action is claimable for town cred. If anything the action of prome, sealed his fate.. but also leaves JJ as null/leaning scum (I outlined reasons before) I thought so too but apparently I misunderstood.
Sorry, i read this a couple times and not sure where you stand. Can you please clarify?
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On February 28 2013 12:03 ObviousOne wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 11:57 MilkSuckler wrote:On February 28 2013 11:50 ObviousOne wrote:
I'm not intentionally trying to be useless, I just have some level of bi-polar tendencies in that some days are good and others are bad, and the gap between is rather wide. Yesterday was bad, hopefully tomorrow is good.
I dont give a flying fuck about tomorrow being good. You raise the play this cycle... The whole "case" was a big wall of fluff... if you gotta problem with aqua.. put some fucking quotes that highlight how his questions go no where, and dont show a guy trying to figure things out. saying, for me to filter dive both of you is a big waste of time. This post is helpful feedback, thank you Mocsta. Good day, sir. I think I will ignore you since I don't want to have another shit-fest in the thread.
Ignoring me is guaranteed to make me shove a foot up your ass.
And the comment was raised to you with the intent of constructive criticism.
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On February 28 2013 12:06 JungleJorge wrote:
I've looked into Testsubject and I'm leaning town. Looked into Jcarl and I'm leaning scum on him, but not with the same confidence of the other 2 I pointed. Some assistance would be appreciated on JC.
There are quite a few aspects of carl play I dont like.
Hes definitely choosing to contribute on issues not dominant in the thread at the time.. but then.. the contributions are just pointing things out.. there is no detailed thought process.
In short, I do not find him townie, and his demeanor regarding prome is suspect.
However... his filter has strengthened my read on Vivax and my theory that prome pushed his meta defense on Grush, to give a meta defense on Vivax.
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On February 28 2013 12:34 The Macho Man wrote:Show nested quote +On February 28 2013 12:29 ObviousOne wrote:
Yet you seem to pay so little attention to which account you are using that I have attributed the same degree of reading skills to the conclusion of my post. you dont think you were being overly defensive in your post? You could and should have if you were town this is why aqua is scum ......... instead you said aqua is scum because he is acting just like you........unless im missing something.
LOL.. thats essentially a scum slip then by OO (obviously YOu = OO in that context)
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On February 28 2013 12:41 ObviousOne wrote:
Wow. Yeah please shoot me I don't want to be around these two. Thanks Vig.
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I really enjoyed reading your thoughts in the shadowing thread.
I also enjoyed your drive when you were an outted SK in NMM37 and pushing town to scum hunt even though the cycle was dead.
I know you are capable of determining this scum team.
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Please contribute to town, and share with me your thoughts on Vivax.
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