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yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 03:56 GMT
#2121
Let the double lynch happen

I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things.
Writer@WriterYamato
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 05 2013 04:24 GMT
#2122
Why do you care what Adam thinks?

Also if Hapa flips scum, you arent. Why do you want to waste your vote?
No gg, No skill.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 05 2013 04:26 GMT
#2123
Hapa is scum and his meta proves it.
Hammer him someone.

Seriously.
No gg, No skill.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 05 2013 04:40 GMT
#2124
I really think Alderan should be in the next duel if he doesn't vote...
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Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 05 2013 05:07 GMT
#2125
On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:
Let the double lynch happen

I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things.


Seriously, quit the fucking sulking, its getting old.

You called this duel and put up a shitty case, why am I going to respond to that with anything but suspicion?

Here's your case, here's my answer:

On March 03 2013 18:39 yamato77 wrote:
People still want me dead?

I'm flattered you guys think I could do what I've done this game as mafia, but for real, I am town.

Will be posting that case on Hapa I promised sometime soon.

Or.... Right now.

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On February 27 2013 04:13 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 27 2013 04:10 Acrofales wrote:
Let me get this straight, Hapa: you think it's entirely possible Keir is town, but think killing him is the lesser of two evils? If you were a pardoner, would you consider stopping this lynch?


Yes and yes. None of my top scumreads are on the block right now.

This is Hapa's official stance on the lynch day 1. He won't pick one and call them a bonafide scum read, he'll just call Adam town and lynch Keirathi based off that. This reeks of being extremely non-committal and basically just following thread sentiment, which was against Keirathi before the duel and only slightly shifted after the duel was called for. Town Hapa has balls. This Hapa does not.


Your whole argument for this section is that town hapa has balls and this hapa has none. I've disagreed multiple times. It takes balls to go against the crowd sentiment. I've also outlined why I don't find this likely to be a bus, because he didn't milk it for anything.





On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:

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On February 28 2013 15:54 Hapahauli wrote:
On February 28 2013 15:45 thrawn2112 wrote:
hapa, who do you want to be in a duel and how do you propose to do it? and who would you duel yourself?


My full proposition for tomorrow is this:
I'd like Dieno and Sylencia to duel, unless one of them starts showing some significant townieness. I'd also like to double-lynch 'em by default and leave it up to them to prove that they're town individually. If one of them does, I'd add Corazon to the list.

As for HOW we should go about that, well you can only start by asking nicely. If that doesn't work, we can probably force one of them to duel the other by threatening to have Adam duel one of them (which is basically a vigi-shot given that there's no sane way that Adam's scum).

As for who I'd duel myself, I wouldn't duel period. I think my voting actions speak for themselves yesterday. I get that I'm less active than usual, but it should be obvious that I'm playing to town objectives. Nor do I get the sense that there's any support for me dueling tomorrow (besides iamp anyway).

If you're asking for a top scumread - it's hard to differentiate between Dieno/Sylencia since they've both played nearly identical games. Put a gun to my head, and I'd say Dieno on the basis that Sylencia has a history of being lurky as town in some of his newbie games, whereas Dieno's town performance in CT was pretty darn active.


His stance that he never changes for the day 2 duel. Of note is that mafia dieno magically called for this very duel after Hapa posted this, and Hapa got to push this very agenda; one of killing both Dieno and Sylencia. Again, he takes no strong stances regarding the lynch.


Coincidence. And thrawn called for this duel way before Hapa did. Thrawn took the exact same stance as Hapa did. How can you use this as conclusive proof of Hapa's guilt? It is not anything of the sort.





On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:

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On March 01 2013 09:29 Hapahauli wrote:
Oh Dieno pulled the trigger. That went easier than expected.

Anyway, by default I want you both dead. It's up to both of you to indvidiaully convince me that I'm wrong and that you're town.


Extremely odd coincidence, IMO, that Dieno calls for this duel. Hapa's response is also odd, that he felt the need to comment on it. Almost as if he knew it was going to happen, and planned this stance in advance...


Dieno called for this duel because I threatened his life if he didn't. The rest of this is just rubbish and complete speculation.



On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:

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On March 01 2013 14:36 Hapahauli wrote:
On March 01 2013 14:27 thrawn2112 wrote:
i hate it tbh. but there seems to be no other sensible option.

that being said i'd like to know who you would vote for if you had to pick one.


Dieno. Pretty sure I mentioned that before.


No vote backs this proclamation up. This is the problem with allowing people to sit on their asses with the "double lynch" stance, it lets mafia look townie while really doing nothing. I did a good job explaining this in my Acro case, and what Hapa is doing here is nearly a carbon copy, only the effort he puts into it is pathetically small, and I don't think town Hapa would avoid taking a side in this race.



Thrawn said "if you had to vote for one, who would it be" not "You have to vote someone, so where is it". It was a hypothetical question. He was not forced into only voting one, so his lack of vote here means nothing.


On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote:

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On March 03 2013 08:26 Hapahauli wrote:
Anyway Yamato, this whole "HAPA IS MAFIA OMG" is nearly identical to the shit you pulled in British Mini Mafia.

You were Mafia, and suddenly a switch snapped and you were foaming out of the mouth that Mr.Cheesecake was scum beyond all rationality.


This is a bold-faced lie. I, as mafia, am tunnelly and completely irrational, because that's how people think I am as town. Have I played that way this game? My reads have certainly changed; it's basically what people have been attacking me for this whole game. While you may not believe the reasons I give for these changes, the fact remains that I have explained them as well as they needed explaining. For Hapa to compare this game to British is absurd. He's drumming up a scum read on me because thread sentiment is turning against me.

I want to duel Hapa today. If I'm in a duel, I'm dueling him, or someone is dueling me. Let it happen.


Self-meta analysis, something I got dumped on for. I haven't read the game in question so I don't care to comment on it either direction. You say you've explained your read changes well, I don't find the explanations satisfactory, we're at an impasse on this one apparently.


I made it very clear after Iamp posted that apparent joke case that if people put forward decent cases, I would back them. So quit the fucking pity party and come up with something better than that case - if the best you have is "his meta is different" then i will counter that with "so is mine - and therefore your argument means nothing to me".
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 05 2013 05:14 GMT
#2126
So you disagree that the extreme meta shift that hapa has done is wrong?

Ok the reason Hapa is scum is cause he didnt want to bus Keir, so he placed a fluffy vote on Keir dependant on the activity of keir. Then he fucks off and hopes that Adam gets lynched. So its not a bus, but it is scum like behaviour. Same with Dieno. He just threw out his suspicions but never actually bothered to push them or anything.

Also How is it not obvious that his meta is so different and that makes him scum? He hasnt shown up in a while and that is disturbing to say the least .
No gg, No skill.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 05 2013 05:17 GMT
#2127
Activity does not indicate alignment.

Your entire argument there is 'He wasn't around'.
Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 05 2013 05:28 GMT
#2128
The reason that his meta change is more significant than yours is because it has been repeated in his scum games. And its not like an insignificant change. Its so fucking obvious that its like his scum meta and unlike his town meta

Look at british mafia 2. How active is he there as compared to here?
No gg, No skill.
Corazon
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States3230 Posts
March 05 2013 05:34 GMT
#2129
It's obvious that you guys aren't going to change your votes. I don't understand why you are still standing here arguing about it...

Alderan in next lynch? Snarfs or Zare to join him based off of flip?

A couple of ideas I'm proposing to you all now.
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Oatsmaster
Profile Joined October 2012
United States16628 Posts
March 05 2013 05:39 GMT
#2130
Cora do you have to be a wet blanket all the time?

I am confident that Hapa is gonna flip scum.

Alderan I dont think is scum, same with Snarfs.

Zare I wouldnt mind seeing go up.
No gg, No skill.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 05:58 GMT
#2131
Finally some stuff to argue about where I can prove the difference between Hapa and town.

I will say this in advance, Acro did an excellent job noting exactly how activity IS alignment indicative for Hapa, so you can't just brush that argument away flippantly. His activity is a sign of his involvement with town, which is a very strong tell for Hapa.

Also of note is something Marv said in the obs QT for Dessert; that good mafia players don't do overtly scummy things, and that players like himself and Hapa often bus their teammates/are bussed because of the nature of their town play.

Anyway I'll respond to that refutation of my case tomorrow between classes. I just got off work and wanted to comment.
Writer@WriterYamato
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 05 2013 06:06 GMT
#2132
Hapa, you might want to get back in here at some point.

Your activity is starting to irk me.

When I get irked I make rash decisions. Ask Keirathi.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 06:49 GMT
#2133
What is that post supposed to mean?
Writer@WriterYamato
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 05 2013 06:52 GMT
#2134
It means i'm getting sick of tired of going back and forth with you, when that's what he should be doing.

yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 06:55 GMT
#2135
Doesn't that tell you something?

I'm in here arguing over this stuff, and he's off doing god knows what, but hardly ever involved in discussion even when his ass is going to die.

Hm.
Writer@WriterYamato
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 05 2013 07:09 GMT
#2136
I admit, your dogged persistence is starting to wear me down.

His absence really is not helping that.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 07:15 GMT
#2137
On February 25 2013 10:10 marvellosity wrote:
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On February 25 2013 10:09 yamato77 wrote:
On February 25 2013 10:07 marvellosity wrote:
right Adam, and it's people like you who will fuck up the game.

Only if we're wrong

Huehuehue


Ah yes. The legends of TL Mafia - Foolishness, syllogism, sandroba, Palmar, Adam, and yamato. My bad


If you vote him now, we can prove Marv wrong about us.

Don't you want to prove Marv wrong?
Writer@WriterYamato
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 05 2013 07:28 GMT
#2138
God, that's so manipulative.


Say I were to hammer him. Where does that leave us for tomorrow?

If he flips town, what do we do?

If he flips scum, then what?

I feel like the answer to both questions is going to be kill Zarepath. That kind of bothers me a bit.
Adam4167
Profile Joined June 2011
Australia1426 Posts
March 05 2013 07:32 GMT
#2139
I want to see what Alderan has to add to this before I do anything.

He's going to add something to this discussion, for future reference.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
March 05 2013 07:58 GMT
#2140
I have been thinking about this very problem and I have come up with a list of people we force into duels after this to find the remaining mafia, because everyone else is PROBABLY town at this point. Right now we are at 8 - 2 town to mafia, assuming no third parties and 4 starting mafia. Assuming we NEVER double lynch, and mafia's shot always goes through (as it has been), this is how the game plays out.

Hapa flips town 6 - 2 tomorrow.
Hapa flips mafia 7 -1 tomorrow.

Zare - Alderan should be the duel tomorrow, no questions asked, either way Hapa flips. Hopefully one of them proves to be town, if Hapa is mafia. If he's town, both of them have a good shot at being mafia together, honestly. Regardless, best case scenario is the game is over, all mafia dead. Worst case scenario is 4 - 2 mylo after this, with 5 -1 being the MOST LIKELY scenario, as having zero mafia out of the group of Hapa/Zare/Alderan seems highly unlikely.

Cora - Acro should be after that. If it's MYLO, or there's new analysis from a mafia flip, this might change, but it is how I would play it out today. If two of those three flip town and the other looks really town, it means a player we've been ignoring for a while is likely mafia, so my bet is one of these two, seeing as neither would have been involved in any duels at this point and been under serious pressure. If we're at 5 - 1, the worst case scenario is 3 -1 the following day, and this duel likely gives us a serious look into the alignment of both of these players.

At that point, it would highly depend on who is still alive, and who is not. Hard to call. You and I SHOULD be dead by then. Most likely 3 -1 MYLO is Snarfs/Sylencia/Oats/Cora, IMO, but you never know.At any rate, 3 - 1 MYLO should be a no lynch, easy to enforce by policy lynching anyone who calls for a duel, as it only helps mafia and hurts town. 2 - 1 LYLO is a coinflip, but by then town should have enough info to pick out who is most likely mafia.

4 - 2 MYLO could also be a no lynch, but I feel like 3 - 2 LYLO is easier to lose, and 4 - 2 MYLO is easier to hit mafia than the 3 - 1 / 2 - 1 counterparts, so I would take my chances with Cora/Acro.

Oats/Snarfs both highly green to me, so that is how I made this assumption. Sylencia/You also unlikely to be mafia, but it's a LYLO possibility that one of you might be mafia and used the duel mechanic to clear your name.
Writer@WriterYamato
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