EPTI doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things.
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yamato77
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I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Also if Hapa flips scum, you arent. Why do you want to waste your vote? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Hammer him someone. Seriously. | ||
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Corazon
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Adam4167
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On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote: Let the double lynch happen I doubt Hapa flipping mafia would change Adam's mind about me anyway, and I don't really want to be in another one of these things. Seriously, quit the fucking sulking, its getting old. You called this duel and put up a shitty case, why am I going to respond to that with anything but suspicion? Here's your case, here's my answer: On March 03 2013 18:39 yamato77 wrote: People still want me dead? I'm flattered you guys think I could do what I've done this game as mafia, but for real, I am town. Will be posting that case on Hapa I promised sometime soon. Or.... Right now. This is Hapa's official stance on the lynch day 1. He won't pick one and call them a bonafide scum read, he'll just call Adam town and lynch Keirathi based off that. This reeks of being extremely non-committal and basically just following thread sentiment, which was against Keirathi before the duel and only slightly shifted after the duel was called for. Town Hapa has balls. This Hapa does not. Your whole argument for this section is that town hapa has balls and this hapa has none. I've disagreed multiple times. It takes balls to go against the crowd sentiment. I've also outlined why I don't find this likely to be a bus, because he didn't milk it for anything. On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote: His stance that he never changes for the day 2 duel. Of note is that mafia dieno magically called for this very duel after Hapa posted this, and Hapa got to push this very agenda; one of killing both Dieno and Sylencia. Again, he takes no strong stances regarding the lynch. Coincidence. And thrawn called for this duel way before Hapa did. Thrawn took the exact same stance as Hapa did. How can you use this as conclusive proof of Hapa's guilt? It is not anything of the sort. On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote: Extremely odd coincidence, IMO, that Dieno calls for this duel. Hapa's response is also odd, that he felt the need to comment on it. Almost as if he knew it was going to happen, and planned this stance in advance... Dieno called for this duel because I threatened his life if he didn't. The rest of this is just rubbish and complete speculation. On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote: No vote backs this proclamation up. This is the problem with allowing people to sit on their asses with the "double lynch" stance, it lets mafia look townie while really doing nothing. I did a good job explaining this in my Acro case, and what Hapa is doing here is nearly a carbon copy, only the effort he puts into it is pathetically small, and I don't think town Hapa would avoid taking a side in this race. Thrawn said "if you had to vote for one, who would it be" not "You have to vote someone, so where is it". It was a hypothetical question. He was not forced into only voting one, so his lack of vote here means nothing. On March 05 2013 12:56 yamato77 wrote: This is a bold-faced lie. I, as mafia, am tunnelly and completely irrational, because that's how people think I am as town. Have I played that way this game? My reads have certainly changed; it's basically what people have been attacking me for this whole game. While you may not believe the reasons I give for these changes, the fact remains that I have explained them as well as they needed explaining. For Hapa to compare this game to British is absurd. He's drumming up a scum read on me because thread sentiment is turning against me. I want to duel Hapa today. If I'm in a duel, I'm dueling him, or someone is dueling me. Let it happen. Self-meta analysis, something I got dumped on for. I haven't read the game in question so I don't care to comment on it either direction. You say you've explained your read changes well, I don't find the explanations satisfactory, we're at an impasse on this one apparently. I made it very clear after Iamp posted that apparent joke case that if people put forward decent cases, I would back them. So quit the fucking pity party and come up with something better than that case - if the best you have is "his meta is different" then i will counter that with "so is mine - and therefore your argument means nothing to me". | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Ok the reason Hapa is scum is cause he didnt want to bus Keir, so he placed a fluffy vote on Keir dependant on the activity of keir. Then he fucks off and hopes that Adam gets lynched. So its not a bus, but it is scum like behaviour. Same with Dieno. He just threw out his suspicions but never actually bothered to push them or anything. Also How is it not obvious that his meta is so different and that makes him scum? He hasnt shown up in a while and that is disturbing to say the least . | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
Your entire argument there is 'He wasn't around'. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Look at british mafia 2. How active is he there as compared to here? | ||
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Corazon
United States3230 Posts
Alderan in next lynch? Snarfs or Zare to join him based off of flip? A couple of ideas I'm proposing to you all now. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
I am confident that Hapa is gonna flip scum. Alderan I dont think is scum, same with Snarfs. Zare I wouldnt mind seeing go up. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
I will say this in advance, Acro did an excellent job noting exactly how activity IS alignment indicative for Hapa, so you can't just brush that argument away flippantly. His activity is a sign of his involvement with town, which is a very strong tell for Hapa. Also of note is something Marv said in the obs QT for Dessert; that good mafia players don't do overtly scummy things, and that players like himself and Hapa often bus their teammates/are bussed because of the nature of their town play. Anyway I'll respond to that refutation of my case tomorrow between classes. I just got off work and wanted to comment. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
Your activity is starting to irk me. When I get irked I make rash decisions. Ask Keirathi. | ||
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yamato77
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Adam4167
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yamato77
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I'm in here arguing over this stuff, and he's off doing god knows what, but hardly ever involved in discussion even when his ass is going to die. Hm. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
His absence really is not helping that. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On February 25 2013 10:10 marvellosity wrote: Ah yes. The legends of TL Mafia - Foolishness, syllogism, sandroba, Palmar, Adam, and yamato. My bad  If you vote him now, we can prove Marv wrong about us. Don't you want to prove Marv wrong? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
Say I were to hammer him. Where does that leave us for tomorrow? If he flips town, what do we do? If he flips scum, then what? I feel like the answer to both questions is going to be kill Zarepath. That kind of bothers me a bit. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
He's going to add something to this discussion, for future reference. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Hapa flips town 6 - 2 tomorrow. Hapa flips mafia 7 -1 tomorrow. Zare - Alderan should be the duel tomorrow, no questions asked, either way Hapa flips. Hopefully one of them proves to be town, if Hapa is mafia. If he's town, both of them have a good shot at being mafia together, honestly. Regardless, best case scenario is the game is over, all mafia dead. Worst case scenario is 4 - 2 mylo after this, with 5 -1 being the MOST LIKELY scenario, as having zero mafia out of the group of Hapa/Zare/Alderan seems highly unlikely. Cora - Acro should be after that. If it's MYLO, or there's new analysis from a mafia flip, this might change, but it is how I would play it out today. If two of those three flip town and the other looks really town, it means a player we've been ignoring for a while is likely mafia, so my bet is one of these two, seeing as neither would have been involved in any duels at this point and been under serious pressure. If we're at 5 - 1, the worst case scenario is 3 -1 the following day, and this duel likely gives us a serious look into the alignment of both of these players. At that point, it would highly depend on who is still alive, and who is not. Hard to call. You and I SHOULD be dead by then. Most likely 3 -1 MYLO is Snarfs/Sylencia/Oats/Cora, IMO, but you never know.At any rate, 3 - 1 MYLO should be a no lynch, easy to enforce by policy lynching anyone who calls for a duel, as it only helps mafia and hurts town. 2 - 1 LYLO is a coinflip, but by then town should have enough info to pick out who is most likely mafia. 4 - 2 MYLO could also be a no lynch, but I feel like 3 - 2 LYLO is easier to lose, and 4 - 2 MYLO is easier to hit mafia than the 3 - 1 / 2 - 1 counterparts, so I would take my chances with Cora/Acro. Oats/Snarfs both highly green to me, so that is how I made this assumption. Sylencia/You also unlikely to be mafia, but it's a LYLO possibility that one of you might be mafia and used the duel mechanic to clear your name. | ||
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