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On February 14 2013 02:02 zarepath wrote: When all they have to do is simply be one of the five people voting by themselves, escaping all suspicion? Easy temptation to resist; they can just have three townies mislynch somebody while they camp on a worthless vote that they won't ever get criticized for. I'm not saying that that's my read on what happened; I'm saying it seems just as likely. We need to be open to possibilities in our analysis. Basically, this vote was so bad any speculation on what it means turns into WIFOM almost instantaneously. I mean, all 3 scum could have bus-voted each other this round just to clear their buddies if one of them gets lynched later. We honestly have no clue. | ||
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On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote: You know what, *this* post made me realise where geript commentary came from, specifically claim town vs think town. I would like to hear an explanation of this line Mocsta. I asked before but I don't remember much of an answer. + Show Spoiler [Full Post/Context] + On February 12 2013 15:23 Mocsta wrote: You know what, *this* post made me realise where geript commentary came from, specifically claim town vs think town. just keep in mind please; chainsaw defense doesnt apply to just defending scum buddy. its basically just attacking the someones attacker personally (instead of their argument). So can be applied to defending town. As I said before in that "Case": as town, would you defend someone Day1 with such a method? The only reason i can think of is if you were masoned with someone; hence KNEW they were town. There are simply better avenues to approach the situation. warbaby is a scum read of mine; yes so makes sense to say its association based. BUT, note, we can only vote one person. I think you will notice my vote is actually on geript because his actions have made him a stronger read. (its just I am continuing to pressure my other read warbaby) | ||
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On February 14 2013 02:07 Sevryn wrote: Alright so sno_man why are you so focused on whether or not WB claimed? while I agree that he could have soft claimed this seems like something you wouldnt want to draw attention too especially before n1. Which you did in at least 4 semi recent posts. + Show Spoiler + On February 13 2013 09:44 Sn0_Man wrote: You aren't helping yourself glurio. I think I may be willing to vote Sylencia, but my read on him is Blue or Scum, not green. I read somewhere that people who seem withdrawn and preoccupied with blue roles (like Syl was when we talked about WB's pseudo-blue claim) are often blue themselves. (Somewhere is in Ver's analysis of XXX). I really didn't want to lynch Syl because he might flip blue but his contributions haven't really been in line with what I would hope a town member would try to bring to the table. So basically, I'm willing to consolidate on Syl but I want you guys to understand the risk that he flips blue is decently high IMO. On February 13 2013 06:54 Sn0_Man wrote: Between the two of these it looks like you are saying "I'm blue but I'm not gonna out and say it". VTs traditionally have no real problem mentioning that they are VT (afaik?). You are more like "I'm town, but I won't tell you what special kind of town". Which means you are a special kind. Which is a soft claim. Even if you didn't mean it that way, at least half the thread read it that way. On February 13 2013 04:41 Sn0_Man wrote: There we go! See, I can think of an explanation for most of what Syl is doing, but I'm not going to call you out if you can't. I think WB soft-claimed, but I can definitely see how others think he didn't. I like you you picked a name, gave a real reason that was consistent with your earlier posts, and didn't even need to make it too long. Obviously this doesn't prove you are town but it certainly helps your chances of not being lynched today. For now, I won't ask more but keep in mind that we expect more of THIS POST as often as is reasonable for you to manage (I know its time consuming). On February 13 2013 06:56 Sn0_Man wrote: To further explain WB, the fact that you even went so far as to mention roles and blue and whatever looks bad. "I'm Town" looks fine and doesn't claim VT or blue, but "I won't tell you my role (other than I'm town)" looks leading/breadcrumby/soft-claim. Now I know this is kind of contradictory for me to post this night one but I was looking for someone to make a case on and tbh this is all I really noticed on you and figured I should share my thoughts before everyone assumed I had gone full on lurker when I'm really in the middle of my two busiest work days. so while you not super scummy to me I would like to know why you keep pointing this out. In my opinion you should have saved this for day2 discussion at the very least. Oh hadn't seen your post when I posted mine. People kept misunderstanding what happened with Warbaby. He thought he didn't blue claim, everybody else thought he did. That misunderstanding was a large part of multiple arguments which I didn't agree with. Especially since people who were voting for Syl did so because of how he analyzed what happened there. | ||
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On February 14 2013 02:16 Sevryn wrote: so you were defending syl? No, mostly I was trying to clear up what had happened. Two of the posts you quoted are me explaining to Warbaby how everybody else saw the posts he made, since there was a serious disconnect between us and him regarding what he had said. It is fairly obvious that town is divided and sees things different ways (as evidenced by the vote) and I've been trying to get us back on the same page. | ||
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On February 14 2013 02:50 Sevryn wrote: also all the wasted votes are terrible. I really wanted to kill some people for their votes, but I can't exactly call half the thread scum for tossing away their votes so... asdl;fjkl;asdjkl;jkljs This game sucks. BTW that wasn't exactly a list of reads. A quick note on everybody is preferred. Doesn't even have to be more than like 3 words. | ||
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That is why Syl would change his vote to save himself. | ||
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On February 14 2013 04:32 ObviousOne wrote: @Sn0_man I would have to go back through filters (currently re-reading the game backwards as I believe I just mentioned before) to check this. It's hard to judge whether or not "saving yourself" is scummy, but the best indicator to me is: did Syl have a read on Glurio before Syl was on deck to be lynched? Was there any mention of Glurio's alignment from Syl at any time? If it was town, I'll be very concerned. No, Syl merely talked about then voted warbaby. His filter is quite short. I still think that self preservation is a completely null point. If I could lynch every other player on the spot and save myself, I'd do it in a heartbeat. VICTORY (for all alignments). Again, given the choice between confirmed town and ANYTHING ELSE, you lynch the else. Even if you have a town read on somebody, unless you are sure that they will help town more you lynch them not you. All that said, I'm also fairly open to a Syl lynch (I believe I mentioned this before the first lynch). I have mild reservations but less for him than for most other players. | ||
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On February 14 2013 04:51 WaveofShadow wrote: A valid point. My problem is neither my reads on glurio or Sevryn at the time were particularly strong and probably easily picked apart by someone better at the game than me. I know I've been super inactive N1, but it's gonna have to stay that way probably until the N1 action happens as I still have a lot to do today. I will be back in full force on D2. N1 this game has been very inactive in general. I'm fairly sure this is a direct result of the TERRIBLE vote/lynch that we did yesterday. That certainly isn't the thing that makes you look bad to me... @OO: Yeah we were discussing Syl @Zare: I felt like Syl was under non-negligible pressure, although admittedly there weren't a ton of votes on him. | ||
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On February 14 2013 05:17 TestSubject893 wrote: Hey guys. As you know I'm replacing 9-bit. As it turns out I was somewhat of a last resort as a replacement and am actually pretty busy today with work. I should be able to catch up on the thread later tonight, hopefully by a little before the time night 1 is ending, and as such don't expect to be active in the thread until about then. I look forward to playing once I get caught up. GLHF everyone~ GLHF. Get back to us when you can, and thanks for subbing  | ||
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On February 14 2013 05:38 cDgCorazon wrote: Why would scum bus each other D1? That doesn't make any sense. I didn't want to dive into OMGUS. If you want to now, go ahead... Why would you make association cases pre-flip D1? That doesn't make any sense. Seriously, you are SO CONFIRMATION BIASED on WB that you are letting his opinions colour your views on other people. I mean, as scum its safe to D1 bus a scumbuddy who won't get lynched anyway... Pure WIFOM but so is your argument that Syl is town. | ||
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That said, I can't possibly see how leaving him alive is a good idea for now. I'll go over the implications in more detail later, but suffice to say that if the best we can come up with Day 1 was a 3-2-1-1-1-1-1 vote, then I don't see the value in town having "control" (tenuous at best) of a loose cannon SK. So for now, ##Vote: ObviousOne | ||
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On February 14 2013 15:18 ObviousOne wrote: Yeah I wasn't really having too much hope at this point. Oh man, the obs thread must be going nuts. | ||
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On February 14 2013 15:01 cDgCorazon wrote: Umm I don't see why you can't vote him off later...? I vote once my intent to lynch is clear and somewhat unlikely to change. Unfortunately, that is the case now. | ||
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