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On February 19 2013 07:45 Sn0_Man wrote:
In this game, the godfather evades all watchers/trackers. I'm assuming this means that if scum had a godfather and used him to execute kills nobody would be able to trace it (aka the godfather would be the one to kill TS).
Noted & after checking OP agreed; didn't realise that.
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Guys I do not believe I will be around at lynch deadline.
Have a meeting penned in for about 3 hrs around the deadline.
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GG Syl
I wish you had made that final post.
As an aside; corazon, we already had 2 replacements this game; I agree Mandalor shoulda subbed out; but i dunno what the chances woulda been of scoring somebody?
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Guys; considering the situation we are going to be in
I see two courses of action
(1) Everybody clam up; so scum have to figure out who they want to shoot - hopefully they hit a ?vet?
OR
(2) We be completely transparent and everyone post their reads; that way , if anyone dies it doesnt matter cos we can all follow through with the same lynch plan next day?
Thoughts?
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On February 19 2013 10:52 zarepath wrote:
When Mocsta was going off on OO, he was quite certain that OO was SK. zarepath, this is not the first time you have been lazy with reading content; and formed leads founded on misrepresented information. (e.g. DT fake case)
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In regards to OO -> SK
On February 14 2013 10:05 Sylencia wrote:
I was roleblocked last night. On February 14 2013 10:17 Mocsta wrote:
Im taking a break; thsi is seriously fucked up
(1) Who did mafia actually target?
(2) 2nd hit: Vig hit or SK hit;
On February 14 2013 12:10 ObviousOne wrote:
You sure you guys don't want any more help, then? If I'm the SK you have a guaranteed not-scum lynch putting you that much closer to MYLO/LYLO with no real information. I mean, I just want to know if I can fuck off if you're not going to read any more cases for me. If you will read them, they will come. On February 14 2013 12:17 Mocsta wrote:
The problem remains
(1) You are scum and made the kill
but u said you are vig and made the kill; so if we said.. you are scum... who the fuck killed geript..
either way, sk or scum which => lynch
(2) You are vig and made the kill
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(3) You are SK and made the kill
...
I am going to explain this one last time.
When I was responding to OO, I was addressing his posts/finds which were fixated on SK vs vig. It was clear he wasnt vig.. which only left SK.
It wasn't till I took a breather that I realised scum was also a possibility; and I stipulated it above.
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He was also quick to suggest Syl's fake role claiming.
Sylencia was the one that proposed the fake roleblock.
On February 14 2013 10:24 Sylencia wrote:
- Town JK: Since I'm being seen as scum, might've chosen me to block a shot but why would the scum team ever choose me to shoot in that spot, since everyone is already looking at me. Unless they thought I was a framer, this seems unlikely.
This is from his first analysis of the roleblock - which I assume is true now... which means we have at least one scum power role.
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And ifyou look at the first half of D1, he accused/suggested that an incredibly large number of different people were scummy.
Who? My targets on D1 were clear; I found warbaby and Geript suspicious.
warbaby has really lifted his play the last cycle; and was one of the few people in this town that gave a shit... Im not going to lynch a guy who actually gave a shit when we could be in MYLO.
As I said at the start zarepath; there have been numerous accounts of you chasing false leads based on nothing....
By itself, I could think mislead/confused townie.
If I include things such as the fake DT case that went no where; your continual promises to filter dive and produce reads - but never follow; and your lack of activity when recognising the importance of the last lynch.... i think townie read is starting to evaporate very quickly in the heat of the australian summer.
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[fluff]
Setup Speculation
Take with a grain of salt
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=C9++
This game is C9++, the page linked is for normal setup with JK/Vig/Mason etc.
This is the same probabilities, jsut replacing the blue roles (I believe, only host knows for certain).
Now, with Sylencia death; we know there is an RB; and we know there is SK.
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+ Show Spoiler [2 scum team] +
If we assume team is 2 scum + SK,
The two options are
TTTTTTT = Goon + Godfather, SK - as this doesnt allow blues.
OR
TTTTT = Goon + GF, SK - as Sylencia was RB, this doesn't hold.
2 man scum team is impossible based on the RB claim.
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The 3 man scum setups with SK =
T = Goon + RB + GF, SK
If setup is "T", then there are 6 blue letters rolled => approx 3-6 blues rolled.
I am not certain how the host handles multiple letter rolls (like VV; as all vig are one-shot)
OR
TTT = 2 Goons + RB, SK
If setup is "TTT" then there are 4 blue letters rolled => approx 2-4 blues rolled.
(based on the 4 VTs flipping.. this situation is more likely)
As 3-6 Blues, indicates 3-6 VTs; which is starting to look unlikely based on flips
So far the flips: 4 VT, 1 Blue, 1 SK
Lets assume 13 players
3 scum
1 sk
2-4 blues
5-7 VTs
This leaves us now with: 1-3 blues and 3-1 VTs.
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What is the point
Based on likelihood and Sylencia RB claim; I believe we are dealing with 2 Goons + 1 RB.
Secondly, there is a chance there are 3 VTs, and only 1 Blue left (who may not even be a vet)
I think we need to shut up shop this cycle, and not let scum figure out who *ISN'T* a vet.
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On February 19 2013 11:39 zarepath wrote:Show nested quote +On February 19 2013 11:35 cDgCorazon wrote:
Zare most of these are just discussion questions. The only one where I'd say he thinks the person is scum is the one about WB.
You're just reaching with this argument. Not officially, but you don't say things like "Why not, you worried I'll find out you're scum?" to promote a good town environment day 1. This isn't a case; this is backing up my claim that Mocsta suggests is a false one.
I think you're getting completely muddled by early day1 banter to promote discussion.
Its how the game works; just like my comment to Sn0_Man. If you think that post to him is indicative of me having a firm scum read on him 2hrs into the game; you're grasping as straws MAJORLY.
warbaby was the first guy I genuinely followed up with; as he was my first *actual* read.
The rest of what you posted (other than Geript) is foreplay... and you know it.
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EBWOP
Actuallly what you quoted on Geript was foreplay.
I later had a genuine read on Geript; but for whatever reason you were only focused on play from the frist 12 or so hours - so didnt include it.
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Gg guys.
Can understand the pain. Hurts when u think one of your own has been actively hindering your thought processes all game. :;
But yes the SK slip was bad in the con text that I knew he wasn't scum...but it was genuinely based on TS being solely focused on SK/vig
Just remember I actively lead town to each lynch.. It was by no means an easy win, I don't think if sno/zare delurked over the weekend I would have been high for suspicion and I still had war baby I could push.
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On February 20 2013 05:26 Promethelax wrote:I think you'll find that Mocsta is in fact very loud. Which is different than being very good at mafia. The way to tell his town play from his scum play is simply his goal. When he is town he tries to make things go right and works with others he thinks are town. As scum he goes just a little more insane.
Insane in the membrane
Insane in the brain
Agree on town tell for sure. Dunno what the scum one infers but will take it anyway hajha
I will say I find scum much more enjoyable to play
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On February 20 2013 05:30 cDgCorazon wrote:
Bleh, one more thing:
Scum, why'd you kill Geript N1?
Its all in scum at
In case lazy.
I thought he was sleeper analyst like acid when I was last scum
Took him out before he got momentum
During day1 he was the only person I felt i had to proof read posts before sending.. So full credit to him
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On February 20 2013 05:31 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:27 Mocsta wrote:
Gg guys.
Can understand the pain. Hurts when u think one of your own has been actively hindering your thought processes all game. :;
But yes the SK slip was bad in the con text that I knew he wasn't scum...but it was genuinely based on TS being solely focused on SK/vig
Just remember I actively lead town to each lynch.. It was by no means an easy win, I don't think if sno/zare delurked over the weekend I would have been high for suspicion and I still had war baby I could push. You guys had it a lot easier than you could have though. So much lurk. Also I was convinced Sev was scum and was going to tunnel the shit out of him until I could get enough to prove it 100%, but then SK took care of me for you guys. In any case I think I have some of how the game (and maybe player meta) works now so I'm going to try signing up for any game that'll take me. I'm HOOKED, gentlemen. Edit: Also, just remembered something. What was the deal with the Sylencia RB?
Disagree completely.
Sevryn and at stages mandalor were on the block MASSIVELY at many stages especially due to lurking.
Town was all over them.
Sylencia didn't fall my accident. Town voted him based on defends... But the only reason he had to make a defends was primarily due to my pressure
SK was hunting scum n1 and could a taken out anyone. Agree on before he basically became a vig.
Just remember its easy to sit in at and say u have insurmountable evidence. That doesn't mean u can campaign a vote.
I did not play a perfect game by any means. And yes. The overall lurking worked in my favour.
But u guys gotta be honest with yourselves with this one. On day3 u had 2 out of 3 scum on the block and in my opinion there were many reasons to call sylencia town.
I didn't force everyone to vote sylencia....
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P.s. sevryn was due to be lynched day1
Until I setup glurio.
U were there WoS.
The major thing in this game is (mainly for war baby) is
Priorities are:
Establish innocence
2. Scum hunt
3. Be pro town
Many of my contributions were 3. Aligned and its really easy to fake.. I don't believe I made a case the whole game. (Other than writing sevryns lol)great pick up their Sn0
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Heheh
Well newbies games are for sweingnwhat works what doesn't
Hopefully this explains why policy lurker lynch sucks
Its just a medium for enabling discussion but shouldn't replace scum hunting
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On February 20 2013 05:57 WaveofShadow wrote:Show nested quote +On February 20 2013 05:48 Mocsta wrote:
P.s. sevryn was due to be lynched day1
Until I setup glurio.
U were there WoS.
The major thing in this game is (mainly for war baby) is
Priorities are:
Establish innocence
2. Scum hunt
3. Be pro town
Many of my contributions were 3. Aligned and its really easy to fake.. I don't believe I made a case the whole game. (Other than writing sevryns lol)great pick up their Sn0 Glurio set himself up; his play was scummy as hell, but yes, you're right, my biggest mistake was pussing out Day 1 and not changing my vote to Sevryn earlier.
U need to read the thread again... It was scum who initiated glurio
He actually did alright and was confident enough to push his own reads whether right or wrong.
He did not set himself up at all... If u read scum qt it will be clear lol
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Exactly if you choose the right lurker
In my opinion u are scum hunting
Grabbing three guys and RNG them is lynch kurker policy to me and is stupid.
P.s. RNG sucks majorly. That was just me trolling at start. Sorry.
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I would wanted to keep u as gun for hire if u didn't try so hard to dodge the case hejhe.
U became too untrustworthy for me from that point on
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Reading OBS qt and some great discussion around keeping SK alive or not.
Def worth a read.
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Prob was just a heat of the moment comment corazon. Tensions run high whilst playing
Hmmm well Ima be taking a break from Mafia. good luck to all those migrating to non newbies. The lurking is just as hard over there and can really shit u to tears.
I'm obviously still known for terrible reads but can say from being Mafia the only time I felt under pressure was when when the SK case came out. So what I am saying is. Many of the things in was spewing which looked like contributions were actually not.
When I was setting up ppl I took worse case scenarios to paint ppl red, even though early game I was advocating looking at both sides to discern bad townie from scum.
I think if overall u guys challenged ppls reads more.. Would have lead to more pressure. in particular sevryn would have disintegrated. I think town severely lacked that critical thought and for what ever reason had a tendency to just ignore posts with logic they didn't agree with. This is not conducive towards good scum hunting
With this new in game experience. Next time I roll town I am going to make a habit to break down ppl logic when presented, as though bad logic is not indicative of scum. The follow up pressure I think can lead to slips and back tracking.
With all that said. We were very lucky mandalor came through with a hero vote to not be mod killed. I think in general though his activity level was unacceptable regardless of IRL issues and he should been chopped much earlier.
Best of luck for future games
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