On January 30 2013 19:00 JieXian wrote:
I wasn't sure about Sharrant earlier, especially since he has only 2 pages of filter but what sticks out to me is:

I don't think scum will bother posting that wall of text (not that he doesn't have a point) about VE if he was going to be shot anyway

Apparently you defended him because you got a cop check on him?

These are the subsequent posts in your filter: Ctrl+F "Sharrant"

On January 30 2013 19:02 JieXian wrote:
If either Sharrant or Jay want's to lynch me for lurking they'd have to look at the number of pages in their own filter compared to mine and proceed to lynch themselves first.

Sounds to me, your having a dig @ Sharrant, even though hes meant to be confirmed town?

On January 30 2013 19:32 JieXian wrote:
If not for the miller claim we might be all over Yamato because he has only 2 pages of filter, like Sharrant.

Problem is, Prom claims he had played like this before (uninvolved) as miller so he's in the same safe boat as Djo atm.

Again having a dig @ Sharrant, but apparently he is confirmed town? When are you proposing he is GF.. your not!

Then you have the case against Vivax
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=394344&currentpage=66#1310
Oddly enough, you decide to defend Sharrant here (even though you just been digging into him the past 2 posts)

Vivax points on you pretty much confirm you as scum anyways.

Key Points

He is scum because of the DT claim? Yet you never mention yourself as DT to contest it.. What the? Isnt the way to oust a claim, by counter claiming; there is none of this?
Then you accuse him of thinking GF about xsksc.. yet, when you got green on Sharrant, you still treat him like scum? When do you accuse him of being GF.. wait.. you dont
Then there is the interplay with Thrawn.. most importantly.. you even admitted you voted on him purely as a pressure vote.
On January 30 2013 21:42 JieXian wrote:
Yes I did. What seems to be the problem? Heard of a pressure vote before?

JieXian, I hate to be so cocky, but I think you might as well concede as well. The evidence is not in your favour.

Vivax

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February 04 2013 11:31 GMT

#2203

The last few pages have been pretty funny.Thanks Prom.

I just don't know if JX wants to kill iamp cause he knows he's the SK or cause he wants town to lose and mindfucks us.
Clearly there can be multiple 1-shot roles, that sounds like a reasonable town nerf.
But that's not even the reason to not believe the JX claim, his claim simply holds no use except to save his own ass, which isn't what one would do as DT getting a "green check" back from someone who he failed to defend for the eventuality that it was a GF afterwards.

Given Prom's behaviour I'm excluding him as SK.Could have simply framed Djo.
Mocsta would be the first SK to choose cop immunity. So he's confirmed now.
Djo and Iamp have the chance of being SK.

But more after the lynch

##Vote 24 h cycle

Promethelax

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February 04 2013 11:45 GMT

#2204

Moc wouldn't have chosen it, xscsk would have. Possible? yes. Probable? no.

why so sure there is an after the lynch?

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

February 04 2013 11:46 GMT

#2205

Touche: Good pick up Promenade

Thats why your the coach, and get paid the E-sports bucks.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 11:49 GMT

#2206

stop buddying me!

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

February 04 2013 12:16 GMT

#2207

I thought you said before that you like it?

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

February 04 2013 12:17 GMT

#2208

*sigh* Vivax, I was hoping I would be confirmed by (hopefully decent/good) townie play, instead of setup speculation.

Will take it regardless.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 12:25 GMT

#2209

I like it outside of game when you are suckin up to me and thinking I'm awesome. In game it is a waste of time and space and makes me hate you. Buddying is scummy. Stop it.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

February 04 2013 12:26 GMT

#2210

Well I dont see it as buddying, i thought it was a good pick up and didnt actually consider it myself, hence I felt the need to go +1.

But whatevs.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 12:37 GMT

#2211

Why is it a good pick-up? What does it mean? Are you still sure JX is the last scum? Don't just +1 something. Explain what has changed about your reads to me.

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

February 04 2013 13:09 GMT

#2212

On February 04 2013 21:37 Promethelax wrote:
Why is it a good pick-up? What does it mean? Are you still sure JX is the last scum? Don't just +1 something. Explain what has changed about your reads to me.

On February 04 2013 20:31 Vivax wrote:
Mocsta would be the first SK to choose cop immunity. So he's confirmed now.

On February 04 2013 20:46 Mocsta wrote:
Touche: Good pick up Promenade

Thats why your the coach, and get paid the E-sports bucks.

Your seriously over-reacting. For me, because Im VT, I never considered that I could get green check due to SK. What you said is valid logic. Hence "good pick up". Its pretty straight forward what I wrote, and your not misconstruing it, but you are definitely over reacting.

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 13:11 GMT

#2213

oh, that is what you thought was a good pick up? We need to talk post game. The fact that vivax had a derp and forgot who you were is one thing. Quite another that he is sure the game will continue after this lynch.

Mocsta

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February 04 2013 13:24 GMT

#2214

As for part 2, do I doubt JX?

I want to doubt him.

The lack of opposition again is always scary. But then again no one opposed Yamato either.

Some of the things we said could be interpreted as town-ish, but then when i filter dive, it comes unstuck each time.

e.g.

If he said he was VT, i would have a much higher chance to believe him than the cop claim. Vivax is a fuckn weird detective (as per Mafix LIX), but JieXian play in general just doesnt match a cop.
His commentary on his "cop" read post-check, does not match typical behaviour after a check.
Its reads almost as if, hes woven a story based on the latest happenings in this game (i.e. references to GF etc etc).
I posted that Yamato never references JX. His retort was that he was constantly calling out Yamato for lurking etc. If anything, this is another strike for JX.

      - When Vivax calls out JX; JieXian is quick to respond.
      -When EZ/jay/prom etc calls out Yamato; Yamato responds.
      -When JX calls out Yamato; yamato stays silent.... that doesnt look good to me.
He goes from iamperfection being his only confirmed town read, to willing to lynch him. All based on "taking a chance".
Thats quite a U-Turn and for me, the excess nail in the coffin.

So to answer your question: JX has made a semi-compelling defense & I have tried to review his findings as openly as I could. However, the story just does not stand up to close scrutiny.

P.S. when a medic makes a save; I believe both KP recipient, KP originator & medic all receive save notification.
Hence, cop would be the only blue role he can claim, as this is the only role that does not notify additional person(s).

But still woulda been an awesome mindfuck in the future, to claim medic save on scum, and withhold shot. Will have to log that into the memory banks

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

February 04 2013 13:27 GMT

#2215

On February 04 2013 22:11 Promethelax wrote:
oh, that is what you thought was a good pick up? We need to talk post game. The fact that vivax had a derp and forgot who you were is one thing. Quite another that he is sure the game will continue after this lynch.

[fluff]
I forgot to add your quote where you said I could be SK,but yeah, sounds like you got what i meant.

& Im all ears for post-game chat. Hopefully I am applying myself differently than to when you coached me.

Promethelax

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February 04 2013 13:29 GMT

#2216

why would there be opposition to a scum lynch when there is only one scum left, what you smoking brah?

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

February 04 2013 13:29 GMT

#2217

LOl. didnt think of that. im not used to living end game

Mocsta

Australia9388 Posts

February 04 2013 13:30 GMT

#2218

*sigh* im reverting back to old habits, posting the first thing on my mind.

Need to stop.

Djodref

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February 04 2013 13:59 GMT

#2219

Hey, I'm around and I'm reading this thread, but I don't feel any motivation to post more evidence against JieXian.
His claim is fake, so I'm pretty sure he is the last scum. I don't think we have a SK in this game and I suspect JieXian to have miss the NK because he was absent.
I'll put some time in to find a possible SK if we don't reach the endgame when JX is lynched. But for now I just want to take a break !

Promethelax

Canada7089 Posts

February 04 2013 14:18 GMT

#2220

Is Vivax referring to an after this lynch time a scum claim?

multiple one-shot cops are possible. According to Toad.