On January 29 2013 07:29 Sharrant wrote:Okay, here are my reads and a bit of a case.
YamatoI'd say he's confirmed town, if he's still around at LyLo then we could have an issue but that's it.
IamPerfection First townread of the game, pretty much confirmed. Posts don't feel constructed, and he's not giving off an air of discomfort, so even without his spot as conductor of the thrawn wagon he's got major townie points. The only thing that worries me is how sure he was that it was scum play from Thrawn, it's a niggling doubt but if Thrawn knew he wouldn't be around he might've told them to go for a very early bus. Until LyLo he should be treated as confirmed town.
DjodrefI can't see him being anything other than the vigi at this point, again, he's anotherperson to treat as confirmed town unless we start getting SK kills, or the game doesn't end after the scum's death, but that'd be such a risky play for an SK to make, there's just no payoff.
EmileZolaI did not like his early game at all, but he's been very townie lately to make up for it. Being a hydra makes a lot of sense, and seems to almost confirm him green.
PromethelaxNot my strongest read ever, but I'm fairly certain he's town. His recent posts have been pretty solid.
VivaxRight out of the gates I had him as a strong townread with IamPerfection, but that's dropped off a little.
Ghost_403
I'm reasonably certain he's town. His thoughts have almost been bang on to what mine have been, I'm hesitant to put him as town until I hear his current thoughts on Hapahauli and Promethelax.
JieXian
Unsure about him, but other people are reading him as town, so that's a point for him above xsksc
xsksc
Unsure about him either, almost has to be scum by process of elimination if Hapahauli wasn't in the game still.
Hapahauli
There's not much to say about Hapa without trying to mindgame the hosts. Scummy/null.
VisceraEyesI'm not going to make connection cases before his flip, but if there were ever a time to do that, I think it would be now.
The first thing that set me off was this post.
On January 26 2013 17:35 VisceraEyes wrote:Okay so far I think iamp is the scummiest. Earlier he asked me if I was serious about my accusation of thrawn. Looking back I noticed this in his filter.
On January 26 2013 09:47 iamperfection wrote:On January 26 2013 09:22 Promethelax wrote:On January 26 2013 09:18 Vivax wrote:
That's good news! Marv is on town's side!
Too quick to believe marv. Miller in c9++ is in 40% of games. Look at the bugs/palmar argument in YAN. There is a good reason for scum to claim miller too.
##Vote: Vivax was this a serious vote because if it is very weak
Vivax been very posty after having an avenue to not be with his pre game post.
I want to know if you actually think vivax is mafia when you get back.
On January 26 2013 11:20 iamperfection wrote:
your vote on vivax serious prom?
In this post he appears to be suspicious of prom for his vote on Vivax. What strikes me however is that if he's suspicious of Prom, he's basically telling Prom how to answer to make himself less suspicious. Why would he do this as a townie? As scum I can see reason for him to coach Prom through to the correct response regardless of Prom's alignment, but why would iamp do that as town? Especially given his response to my calling him out:
On January 26 2013 11:28 iamperfection wrote:On January 26 2013 11:25 VisceraEyes wrote:
iamp do you have any opinions on what's going on or do you plan to uselessly ask people if "they're serious" all game?
Well if i told you how i think he would answer with regards to his alignment it would kind of defeat the purpose.
It would kind of at that.
##Vote: iamperfection At this point I already had a huge townread on IamPerfection but VisceraEyes is trying to make him look scummy, and he is the only scum read he mentions all day. The closest he comes to another person being scummy, is saying he could lynch EmileZola because he's a troll and that he's okay with a policy lynch on Thrawn. (He does soft defend Hapa as well, but that's for after the flip)
On January 27 2013 01:44 VisceraEyes wrote:
I can do a thrawn vote too...consolidation-style.
Then the Thrawn bandwagon starts picking up steam, and suddenly VE can't even be bothered to mention people he thinks are scummy. He's entirely focused on how the wagon must be scum, but doesn't actually comment on who on the wagon might be scum.
On January 28 2013 03:06 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm still okay with the thrawn lynch, aside from the relative lack of opposition. No one seems to care if thrawn dies, which is never indicative of a good lynch. But this is minor, and it's still kinda early.
On January 28 2013 03:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Everyone does....that doesn't give you pause at all?
Two posts not even 15 minutes apart, both giving the most meek defense I've ever seen. It's like he's trying to get the bandwagon off of Thrawn without his name being involved at all.
On January 28 2013 03:24 VisceraEyes wrote:
Because if there's no resistance that means that scum are okay with the lynch. Who are scum okay with lynching? Townies.
Like I said, it's early enough that it's not really that much of a concern, but I wanted to put that out there for anyone paying attention to that kind of thing. No one has spoken up in defense of thrawn yet - at least not that I've seen. This is something that should be considered.
"Hey, guys, third post about the Thrawn lynch being bad in 20 minutes. Boy, it sure is crazy how no one is defending him right? Right, guys? He's obviously townie."
On January 28 2013 03:26 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not gonna sit here and argue with you. If you really wanna push this failwagon be my guest.
"I'm not going to argue, but it's a bad lynch"
On January 28 2013 03:28 VisceraEyes wrote:
I'm not softdefending thrawn. I'm saying I don't like that there's no resistance to the wagon. I've said (multiple times) that I'm okay with a thrawn lynch. So whatever, keep trying to inject scumminess into my play however you wish yamato. It doesn't make me scum.
"I'm not soft defending Thrawn, I'm just saying this is a bad lynch for the fifth time in 20 minutes (Seriously, from 3:06 to 3:28 he posted 5 times about how Thrawn is most likely town). He's obviously town, you can tell by the lack of people resisting the wagon, but I'm okay with a thrawn lynch."
Pardon? You just spent 5 posts in a row saying he was town, the wagon is being lead by your ONLY SCUMREAD, and you are "okay" with the lynch?
On January 28 2013 03:40 VisceraEyes wrote:
Well, there are now three votes on VE. You do the math Sharrant.
I'm pulling a thrawn. I've got a birthday party to go to, so I won't be back tonight. Figure it out guys.
"I don't even care enough to mention someone you should be voting before I leave."
On January 28 2013 03:48 VisceraEyes wrote:
Nono...I'll throw my weight behind thrawn.
##Unvote
##Vote: thrawn
"Oh, right, let me just hop on this wagon first."
How is that not deserving of an instant lynch since Thrawn flipped red? I don't want him vigged, I want him lynched. I want there to be as much discussion about this as possible.
So, quick recap here.
His ONLY SCUMREAD throughout all 48 hours of day 1 is a person that I think most people had easily meta-ed as town. He does no scum hunting beyond this, opting for two policy lynches. And then when one of them happens to be on scum, he defends him in 5 posts in 22 minutes and then says "I wasn't soft defending him". Then hops onto the wagon anyways.
If someone can rationalize this from a town perspective I would love to hear it, but all I see is VisceraEyes claiming scum, and everyone just looking elsewhere.
EPT
