It is somewhat concerning that djo didnt use every possible tool to figure out the setup because if he had he would of realized we are in somewhat of closed setup.
the fact is that there is no one is confirmed since we have no idea what combination of t lead to what setup.
for example a 3 t setup usally leads to a 2 goon, 1 rm, 1 sk setup usually but in this game we dont have it confirmed. (ask for yourself if you don't believe me) Therefore the scum roles and possibility of an sk wont be able to be established through setup speculation
so the only way to proceed is to lynch the scummiest player
currently the scummiest player is jx and i'm 95% certain he is scum look at his recent filter his primary conern is his own defense. HE IS NOT TRYING TO FIND THE SCUM. his inactivity right now is unacceptable and looks like a final scum who has given up.
if we have an sk we will deal with it once we lynch jx and if the game doesn't end in our glorious victory.
Sorry for my lateness but it was absolutely necessary.
So if it wasn't obvious enough, I'm the 1 shot cop who checked Sharrant N1 and that why I've been defending him the most after N1. I was ready to claim whenever then time came (which was partly why I kept wanting to lynch Yamato for going after Sharrant) but let's face it, he was never close to being lynched.
Later I challenged Vivax to check me so I can confirm his alignment but it turns out he was really 1 shot and that pissed me off. I thought Vivax was posturing for something else with his N2 posts. I thought he was lying but he was telling the truth about not wanting medic to protect him and all that.
I dodged the earlier claim request by EZ because there really wasn't a reason to come out like that and also because I forgot to breadcrumb amongst all the drama that Djo created during N1. I was about to claim late D3 but I realised that something was wrong about the setup and my claim will make no sense based on the wiki:
VVCCTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker, Serial Killer (Investigation Immune OR 1-Shot Bulletproof)
If all the claims were true it doesn't make much sense because it implies that Djo and Prom aren't the SKs. It's probable but highly unlikely that SK won't shoot someone for a free Djo mislynch N2.
Thing is, if 1 of them were lying the wiki didn't allow any SKs and we have a contradiction:
VCCTTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker
However, Toad's about "nerfing town" post allows for the possibility of:
VCCTTTT = 2 Goons + Roleblocker + SK
And I'm thinking that's where we're at now.
Prom's behavior is pointing towards someone who is super jolly and confident that he can avoid any speculation that he is SK by having a good argument using the mafia wiki and to deduce that the setup doesn't allow any possibility of there being an SK.
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So why did I remain quiet? Claiming early would bring nothing good at all. It'll invite scum to shoot me instead of possibly hitting a bulletproof SK. By keeping quiet I can guarantee at least 1 townie doesn't get shot
Secondly, were I mafia, nothing is stopping my from claiming VT right away. Djo and Mochsta look like they may very well lynch iamp and I'd still have a chance if I were to test my luck with that, especially with the possibility of there being an SK
I'm down to lynch in the following order : iamp > mochsta (if needed) > prome (if needed)
On February 01 2013 03:10 Vivax wrote: Using my logic EZ isn't scum cause he spontaneously replied to suspicion by releasing an ocean of logs.
You on the other hand have suspicious targets for lynch and are giving a guy a town-read for a single post with lots of null reads and a scumread that died shortly thereafter.
Sharrant wanted to lynch yamato for dicking around and gave EZ an instant town read for not doing that. That doesn't make any fucking sense.
Sharrant didn't want to vote for thrawn after calling him suspicious for lurking in the early game, reason he gave: It's a lurker lynch.
Sharrant joined the jay wagon late and in a super scummy way, hastily throwing in a few reasons and didn't do shit D2.
Sharrant was the guy being attacked by VE shortly before his death. It's one less player against him for the next day.
You ignoring all these points and basing your townread on a single post cause it's huge just confirms that you are the likely scumbuddy.
If we have a medic then there has to be SK with TTT. If we have no medic and the SK got hit, then why didn't he hit anybody? That means we have medic and SK.
Scum-> SK SK -> Saved hit?
Anyway, let's kill the scum, the SK isn't far away then. ##Vote JieXian
Considering Toad said, town is nerfed; I dont see how we could have a medic present. We already have potentially 2x 1-shot vig & 1x/2x 1-shot cop (if you decide to believe JX claim).
How does medic fit into that schema? + I thought medic would have made effort to save EZ (which wasnt the case).
Which is why im still leaning back to either
SK held back shot (if present) & mafia held back shot
SK held back shot (if present) & mafia hit 1-shot BP SK
No SK present & mafia held back shot (potentially to cause confusion OR feign shooting a 1-shot BP SK)
If the SK withholds a shot at this point then it can only be either Djo or Prom. If someone like iamp was then he could have shot to frame both of them at this point.
We can think about that later. If the last scum dies and we don't win then SK is confirmed.
Right now we could still have a medic or a town roleblocker.
Now I haven't filter dived JX yet (at work, so will have to do it tonight); but, I had some problems with what he wrote.
Specifically if he was 1-shot cop that already used power, he is now a VT (a la Vivax); there is nothing to hide from claiming (esp. when requested by EZ) and later again by Djo.
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On February 04 2013 07:58 JieXian wrote: Djo and Mochsta look like they may very well lynch iamp and I'd still have a chance if I were to test my luck with that, especially with the possibility of there being an SK
The phrasing of this is completely off. Town dont want a chance to test luck. They want to prove innocence.(e.g. look at my reaction when Djo trying to confirm me via setup speculation; "Thanks but no thanks"). This to me just stinks of scum.
On February 04 2013 08:36 Vivax wrote: Interesting, do we have a medic?
No, because nobody claimed medic. I don't see why a medic wouldn't claim at this point. The lack of night kill is confusing, but we have to kill the bad guys.
@ JieXian
Tell me more about the fact the you are one-shot cop. Show me some posts, some reactions, some behavior which show that you are a one-shot cop, please.
errr...why didn't I die? I asumed I would die because of the remaining town players I am the strongest with a claim that makes me 100% confirmed not scum. Scum is really sure there is an sk I see and there almost can't be one with no kills tonight. That is, scum either held their shot thinking an SK would hit someone or they shot a BP sk (fun how this double clears mocsta).
IGNORE ALL SET-UP SPECULATION a 'nerfed town' could mean anything. And all of you saying scum could have a different set-up (+GF ,-goon for instance) are idiots. It was not a buffed scum team but a nerfed town. Which means we lost roles or our roles were made all one shot (which they were). It is time to look for scum and stop set-up speculating.
JX is last scum. His claim is shit. 1-shot cops claim when they get a check. Doesn't matter what the check is because you are useless to town. Only reason to not share the check is if you are insane, like vivax. Only reason to not share that you are one-shot cop is to try to get mafia to shoot you/waste RB on you by claiming as cop, this is what vivax did and it was fine play (though it didn't work). Additionally there is only one person pushing me as SK in this game, Yamato. Look at that connection. Even djo the 'other' town vig thinks I am town. No way is JX town.
he is last scum he didnt even bother trying to say why im scum. and his post clearly shows he is not reading the thread since i dont think anyone was really willing to lynch me at
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it appears to me we have an sk and scum have stupidly shot him so lets think about who scum would have shot last night jx- cant shoot himself me- hell no looks like i was going to be his shitty target for a mislynch moc- very probably not despite the green check many people were suspicious of him mostly due to xzczdxc's play
vivax- probably should have been the target but i think his cop claim is legit so very unlikely to be sk
djo- likely target prom-likely target
i conclude that the sk can only be among vivax, djo, or prom with the more likely candidates to be prom or djo.
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