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On January 20 2013 11:27 Toadesstern wrote: I know, I've been in some of them. Hence the statement that I'd rather not vote you and instead vote someone who's not a center of paranoia no matter of alignment, someone who is easy to read and good as town. Makes sense. If this is common however aren't we risking lynching someone who seems easy to read because they mislynched d1 unless they have nearly flawless town play? I wouldn't necessarily lynch them because of a d1 mislynch but if lynching the mayor is probable sometime early doesn't that add incentive to make the mayor someone hard to read side then they're forced into doing something that helps generate a read? | ||
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On January 20 2013 12:25 Toadesstern wrote: won't it work if someone else besides you gets elected? But then he'd have to say his idea in the thread. | ||
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On January 21 2013 00:31 austinmcc wrote: You also asked for scum reads. In terms of people I'm looking at: stutters - a few very short posts. Nothing much of substance. Asks some questions to Toad here but never follows any of that up. Easy questions to participate, without really going anywhere with the answers. Mildly scummy for now. debears - slightly worrisome in the same way. Drops that he won't vote vivax, supports chezinu, gives a short answer when asked "why chezinu" and then dips. Along with stutters, he reads like he showed up because he thought he should make posts, made some posts, lumpY I also remember debears being generally interested in the game, and would expect ... more involvement when he was here, or at the very least more answerage. Given that this game started Friday night, that we have a couple players we haven't seen ANYTHING from, and a decent number of players we've seen very little from, those are my top reads. Right now I'm not dealing with everything else. Short posts yes, but it was like two hours into the game. I dropped the questions on toad because he answered and the discussion in the thread cleared it up pretty well for me. I'm catching up on the thread now. | ||
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On January 22 2013 02:05 austinmcc wrote: Quick analysis of Stutters in past games: Newbie XXVI Stutters is a vigi. Active D1, not so much after that, gets a small amount of pressure. Says this being active was the anomaly? (That's what I got from a quick, quick filter dive). Noted that he had read past games, asked to have someone's filter added to the OP, had a plan for when and how he claimed as vigi. Shows me that he's read games, was actively reading/trying to read through this game (asking for filters to be added), and had a general game plan. Newbie XXVII Modkilled D2 for not voting. However, again shows signs of activity and ... playing the dang game - Filter. He gets on kush early, sees something and finds it scummy + asks questions. Then stays on kush. Follows up, asks more questions, even when he says he has become unsure on kush, he's still actively poking kush and trying to get a read. He also has Real Thoughts. There are others, but I've pulled that one out as a decent example. He's reading thread, gives his own opinion with reasoning to back it up, participates even in a game where he got modkilled later for not voting. Newbie XXVIII Town again. Modkilled again for not voting  . Based off the vote counts, he picked up 0 votes on D2 and 0 votes on D3, which leads me to believe that people DID NOT interpret him as scummy while being town. More short posts, a lot of "i have to go because of x" and "i'm back from x." Not nearly as much participation, not as much meat, but a little.Whose Line Replaced in. Basic thoughts. Seems to be getting pressured some. Responses have actual reasons. responds to some cases and pushes them forward. Did have suspicion on him. Did get mislynched. I wasn't in the game and didn't read along. Replaced into the game though, so I'm not giving this a ton of credence. YANMM Again town. Survived til endgame. I see him having 1-2 votes for a couple days, but those votes were ONLY from bugs and vivax, and vivax was scum that game. Okay, I'm done with this nonsense. The #1 trend I see in Stutters town play is that he won't vote and he'll get modkilled. I DO NOT see the suspicion that Bugs mentioned, except in the two most recent games, and I don't see the votes corresponding with that suspicion in YANMM. It was just bugs and vivax. I DID NOT PLAY YANNM OR WHOSE LINE. I HAVE NOT FULLY READ THEM. NOR HAVE I READ ANY OTHER FULL STUTTERS GAME. However, in looking at his filters, I see much more play than here. When he's gone, he says so, comes back, fposts actual thoughts. He has suspicions, he makes cases, he is playing the game. Here, he has not played the game. His posts look like empty questions and nothing, which goes directly against his play in other games. I do not buy "he looks scummy as town" based on a replacement game and a game where only scum and bugs voted for him. Bugs, you're more than welcome to refute this and give me some other people who thought stutters was scummy, but upon scanning his past games I'm MORE convinced he's scum this game. Everyone else, there are the games he's played. You're welcome to check them for yourselves. I find stutters scummy this game, and more scummy after reading his other games. Just woke up, but I've explained my poor d1 quite a bit in past games. I straight up don't know how to make myself useful (other than interacting with people when they question me. My d1 reads are almost always wrong, so I'm not nearly as active. You're attacking me for the same reasons I was attacked in YANMM. You're also misrepresenting my past games (don't blame you side there is like 1 post game post about it in each and that's it). In XXVI I got the dumb idea that playing kinda scummy until late game would work out since it'd be between me and one or two other lynch targets, I kill one, claim and win. Other modkill was clearly accidental (like an hour or thirty minutes between me unvoting and getting mod killed). Those two were exceptions, don't expect me to get modkilled for not caring. You say I'm not playing like my previous games but you're excluding previous games because not enough people voted me? If you checked d1 from YANMM you'd see I only had like five posts d1. You'd also see that I wasn't getting any votes because debears claimed sk d2, we had two town modkills and I dismantled Vivax's case on me so when it came time to lynch one of us it obviously had to be him first. In whose line I replaced yes, but whoever lasted to endgame with iamp (on phone, can't check) said that if he hadn't already checked iamp he would have been the lynch. Both times as the game goes on it becomes glaringly obvious I'm town. Do you still think I'm scummy if you aren't ignoring my recent games? Seems like you're cherry picking to fit your view of me. | ||
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1) I get accused of that every game. Falls back to the I suck d1 stuff. Up to you if you believe it, but it happened in YANMM and Whose Line. 2) Weird if you're experienced maybe, but to me I wasn't sure how often a mayor mislynch happens because the first posts in that matter made it seem like an eventuality rather than a possibility. My thinking was that people probably have discussed this in past games and it still resulted in a mayor mislynch. Thus I was asking if using the mayor to force reads out of someone hard to read makes sense. I felt Toad answered it well in the ensuing discussion so I felt no.need to follow it up. 3) You said in the previous post I quoted that I keep the thread informed and come back with actual thoughts. That's true sometimes, but I don't always see something to immediately follow up on. This happened in pretty much every game I play. Again people have attacked me for this. 4)I have a detailed post on this in YANMM but I believe that full disclosure (unless there is some gambit like Proms in the same game) is the best course of action. So when you ask me something and I say "yes, but" you're going to hear why I did it. You may think the reason for a particular instance may be scummy but over the course of the game it will show a clear town mindset and show how I reasoned whatever conclusion I come to. | ||
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On January 22 2013 05:00 DearestSnot wrote: How do we know that FT is Palmar? I don't think it's confirmed but someone posted about him saying something that sounded like a Palmar post. My point still stands though with a smurf I'm not entirely comfortable since we know so little about them. | ||
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On January 22 2013 06:24 Vivax wrote: Cause town could simply admit to have made a mistake. JX is clearly afraid of looking bad to the point that he makes up shit. What? Anyone in here would just accuse him of making shit up because he's scum if he had just said I messed up, my bad. Pretty null tell imo. | ||
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Since you said you said you wouldn't want a smurf due to readability why wouldn't you vote for someone like Toad who is readable instead of supporting Chez? You say that it let you see if Chez was more readable but isn't that the exact same thing as voting a smurf except with a smurf not only does it offer the same chance to read them but also offers a chance of identifying who they are (which you implied you'd like to do)? | ||
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This game feels like he's pushed a meta "read" that was him just promising stuff d2 + 1 scummy post from djo. Since then he's talked policy, said I'd be a better vig than lynch and not much else. A far cry from what I've seen in his town games. Since he is a bg though that makes me not as sure of this because if he got lynched and I'm wrong we just killed a bg for nothing. Debears I'd like to see what you would have posted about djo had he not flipped. What made you think he was scum? | ||
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On January 23 2013 12:11 Stutters695 wrote: Well this is interesting with debears. When I was reading filters before the night post I noticed he wasn't his usually spammy self. Then I saw the post saying that he didn't sPam because this isn't a mini. Makes sense but his play still doesn't feel quite like what I remember of his nor his posting in the large game he mentioned. In addition to being more active (albeit not spammy) he was constantly asking questions, debating, and pushing reads. This game feels like he's pushed a meta "read" that was him just promising stuff d2 + 1 scummy post from djo. Since then he's talked policy, said I'd be a better vig than lynch and not much else. A far cry from what I've seen in his town games. Since he is a bg though that makes me not as sure of this because if he got lynched and I'm wrong we just killed a bg for nothing. Debears I'd like to see what you would have posted about djo had he not flipped. What made you think he was scum? Reposting, would like an answer Debears. | ||
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On January 24 2013 04:23 Vivax wrote: Doesn't need that much time to read the little bit I wrote about yamato right? Why don't you do a quickie on that? I'm just now reading your interactions with yamato but I'm 99 per cent sure that when he talked to you (also scum) that he was significantly more hostile than your quotes imply. Also did it to a dew townies. I need to check his filter in empire but I'm not sold at all right now. His play emotionally feels really similar to what it was like when we were in YANMM. | ||
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 WhO asked about my reads)Currently I think annul is a good lynch. I think What'S been SaiD speaks for itself and his refusal to do anything speaks for his guilt. The other two people I' M Really eyeing are debears and Vivax. There is a post in dibbers I made last night that sums up What I think of him pretty well. But basically he promised a case on djo, Never delivered and has mostly talked policy since. Since he'S a BG though to  Push a lynch on him today would be dumb since if I'M wrong WE  just Lost a bg over a Bad read and it isn't sure enough for me to justify that. Vivax I' M Really unsure of. His case on Yamato is Really weak and a cursory glance through his filter in the last large game he played showed a higher level of logic in his reads compared to this game where he is more confrontational with people who disagree instead of logical.I had a post with more detailed reasoning typed up but my girlfriend called and I forgot yo submit it before I went up work so I'll have to post that at like 9-11 est when I get off. In terms of suspicion of I'd say currently debears, vivax, annul. Debears isn't really an option and vivax is actually posting so him living to read a bit longer is much more productive than annul. If annul isn't the target today I'll be pushing for vivax. Sorry for the TLPD stuff. Phone posting so it's hard to fix. | ||
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On January 24 2013 07:46 FiveTouch wrote: The problem with all this is that you're posting in your own little world, with no attachment to what's going on in the thread at all. You say you're going to 'push' something, but that seems unlikely. My notes from Day 1 tell me you didn't once mention either prplhz or Oatsmaster, and this remains the case with Oatsmaster through today. It's quite concerning. This is how I play, if you've played with me before you've seen it. I really need to fix it but my d1 reads are such ass I don't even know where to begin. I probably don't interact enough with people though I'll give you that, but I've been like that every game. I'm trying to improve as I go along. What do you think about what I actually said though? As I was typing that post I saw debears promise another read if the conditions are right. I'm wondering if he's so convinced oats is scum why he isn't sharing it now. Oats could still respond and if he thinks he's scum it would encourage discussion about oats around what he thinks is pretty damning. Yeah gonz I'm going over you guys intersections now. Expect posting in the thread with some full thoughts on it when I get a chance to type it up. | ||
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On January 24 2013 08:17 FiveTouch wrote: There's no reason for you not to comment on the leading contenders for lynch though, Stutters. The work is done for you by others. Agreed. Unless someone has a reason why annul is town though he's my #1 choice. The others I need to finish their interactions but I don't see them as better candidates currently. | ||
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On January 24 2013 09:52 FiveTouch wrote: Hi Chezinu. I would quote more of your posts, but the gist of it is I will look into what you've told me. If I'm capable of understanding, of course. As to your question to me, I trust them both, although I understand why you trusted the one you did more than the other. Also, this guy is mafia. So what do you think the odds are of annul and bke being scum? Are we walking into a mislynch in your opinion? | ||
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This spoilered part is about debears since I don't want to spam the thread with BG talk, but I still would like an answer to this. + Show Spoiler [Debears] + Debears is looking more town to me but I still would like to hear why he waited to deliver such an underwhelming case on Oats and not delivering on djo. On January 24 2013 10:55 debears wrote: I explained this last game and earlier this game to djo. Unfortunately, you don't read This quote too. You explained that you don't spam because these are big games, but you didn't explain at all why d1 you "contributed" a meta read that you never followed through with and not much else except policy talk. Why have you just been providing meta reads instead of like the cases you pushed in previous town games that were much more logical? | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:25 Vivax wrote: FT, how can you be so sure someone is mafia off so few posts? @ stutters Look at it this way: Oats, the probable town, immediately believed my claim cause of the timing. Toad, FT and yamato attacked it like crazy. Austin went a little less hyped about it, but he joined in doing so. Just saying, man, just saying...subjective you know. If you think that Toad, FT, Yamato, Asutin Gonzaw would be the scum team and would all attack your claim hardcore knowing you're right; you're insane. I could see a member, maybe two defending it but Toad does make sense with why he thought you were lying. I believe your claim since this would be a drastic scum play and based off of what I saw in YANMM that feels very unlikely, but I can understand the concern. | ||
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On January 25 2013 04:37 debears wrote: Stutters, there really is no reason for me to answer this. I'm gonna die tonight. You need to look at people that will likely survive the night Fair enough, if you live I expect an answer however. | ||
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On January 25 2013 08:58 Vivax wrote: The bad news: It won't surprise me if Toad doesn't protect me tonight and I get shot. Considering how he let sandro get shot and that he's likely mafia in my eyes. At least I won't have the burden of being super tryhard in this town when the scum clearly has better and more active players. Eh, there are quite a few situations where RBing you still wouldn't be the best play from a town perspective. Also "At least I won't have the burden of being super tryhard in this town when the scum clearly has better and more active players;" no, don't do that | ||
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On January 26 2013 02:31 Vivax wrote: I think that x would be suspicious, but I don't think x is anything more than a null tell? It would be suspicious if both masons wound up dead. Because they didn't, you can't tell since if he's town he wouldn't kill them, if he's scum he wouldn't necessarily kill them and risk getting outed for it. Jesus, read before you post. | ||
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Gonna check on mkfuba. He's kinda slid under my radar the entire game. | ||
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On January 26 2013 02:46 Vivax wrote: Just think about why we lynched mafia last day. It wasn't cause you listened to Toad, FT and gonzaw wanting to kill Oats. You caught someone because of a check. If it wasn't a bus (I don't think it was), you're probably going to be locked down until you're killed so you might want to try and actually catch some scum instead of using your PR as credit. | ||
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On January 26 2013 03:00 FiveTouch wrote: As bugs said, read our posts. BKE .... Chez ..................... Axlegreaser is my current best guess. I think fuba is probably town. Just curious, what makes you think Fuba is town? Reading his filter is iffy for me. Definitely not as good a lynch as BKE or maybe Chez (I haven't checked his filter well yet) but I think he's pretty likely to be the third scum. Note that my thinking is incredibly biased because I feel like his style is very similar to my own meta at the moment, and his play exactly like how I would play scum for my first time. This post in particular really stood out to me. On January 22 2013 06:15 mkfuba07 wrote: You actually think it's impossible for me to be town based on my posts? I'll be the first to admit that I'm bringing little to the table right now (no one is constantly aware of it as much as I am), but I'm giving what I can. I don't see how I'm 100% scum, especially when I know that it's just the opposite. I find that people frown upon reads based on unexplained "feelings", which is pretty much all I have regarding everyone in this game thus far. Things that other people have latched onto as significant evidence of town or scum aren't really convincing me. I don't know if I'm just not following, or I disagree. I guess I'm mainly just waiting for my "A-ha!" moment, the one where I feel something's up, and am able to pinpoint its source. Until then, I'm roughly an observer. That's why I ask for questions, to force my own involvement. To give me a means of entering the game. Otherwise, I'll just argue with myself instead of posting in the thread. I did it in the game you linked, as well. As for what I said sounding "fake", I don't know what to tell you. I felt like I finally had something to latch onto. That got taken away. Now all I have are a few town reads, and some "maybe scum" reads that I'm basically taking from the people I'm thus far trusting. What I said was how I felt. He's defending his playstyle which is similar to mine but he's defending stuff he hasn't really done this game. In Acme (The game mentioned in the quote) he wasn't active but he asked good questions when he was there. In this game his questions have been shit and he has been using other peoples reads the entire time for his reads. This entire post is just a plea to let him live because he'll have a revelation. I've got to go to work now but I'll be phone posting and would love to keep discussing this. | ||
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On January 26 2013 06:43 austinmcc wrote: Just a random side note stutters, look at the start of the post you don't like: Yes I'm doing x, but ... It's that same thing I pointed out in one of your early posts D1, something that I find to indicate mafia posts. His bit isn't as explicit as saying "I'm doing this specific thing, but I'm also doing these other things," however, it falls into that pattern. Oh I agree completely. That was one of the things that stood out. But what bugs me about it is that he was lurky, but aggressive. This game he's passive as all hell and appears to be riding his meta, which is exactly what'd I do in his position with a similar meta. I know it's a biased as shit read, but I'm sharing what I see to generate discussion and hear what people ego have more experience with him think. | ||
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On January 26 2013 08:35 Vivax wrote: Just to emphasize what yamato posted IN CONSECUTIVE POSTS: Come on, concrete wall, break!Break! Where in his filter is that. I'd like to see it in context. | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:10 Toadesstern wrote: ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED?! What? | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:23 Vivax wrote: I'll be watching you with my additional knowledge...See you at the next deadline. Who did you check? | ||
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On January 26 2013 10:26 Vivax wrote: It helps me in the same way it helped me during D1 when I didn't immediately hand it out: Scum don't know how to behave. Or you could stop being cryptic and help the town. Regarding BKE unless we hear of a successful save he needs to flip. We won't know if bugs was double stacked unless a medic claims a save on him. | ||
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On January 26 2013 07:58 DearestSnot wrote: yo, two hours till deadline and I'm still waiting on this shit. chop chop buddy Following up. Anything or are you just going to lurk until we lynch you? | ||
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On January 27 2013 02:16 mkfuba07 wrote: In case you were wondering, this is what I had written before deciding to just start playing the game. I'm still willing to answer any questions :D I hope I'm not taking a page out of Vivax's book, but how exactly am I putting in work and not putting in work at the same time? Perhaps if you point out some of the pointless shit I could explain why I mentioned it. I'm pretty sure I had reasons for saying everything I've said. Because you're throwing out posts where you type a shitload, and then speculate while saying you haven't actually read. There is no reason to take anything you say seriously with how you're playing and you should know this. Who should we lynch in your opinion after BKE/Chez and why? | ||
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As for your questions, I'm not sold in them being town but I do agree that the odds are incredibly likely that the scum are out of you four (I have a slight town read on mocsta because his play feels different from newbie xxxv but since the circumstances are so different I can't say he's outright town h. | ||
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On January 27 2013 03:23 Toadesstern wrote: yeah I'd add you to the "not confirmed" list as well. There's really no reason to think Vivax is mafia but he might be playing the game of his life and if he's mafia that would explain some things but it would also mean he's incredibly good at what he's doing. Oats and Axle are both confirmed town. If Vivax was scum he'd be paying so far above his play in YANMM that it seems very unlikely. There are some similarities between the game but I get the impression he doesn't thoroughly read as well as he should so he misrepresents stuff from time to time(i need to verify that in his filter). It feels way different though because despite his retarded tunnel approach he is being way more open to arguments than he was. Not much of a town read on its own but between how far above his last game he'd be and that feel is enough to ignore him for now. | ||
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When you flip/if we were to switch, who would you say is scum? | ||
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On January 27 2013 07:18 Vivax wrote: Quote1: I speculated about that option earlier as well, but to be honest they would trade a kill of a more useful townie than BKE against the mislynch of a BKE that isn't of use to town, so I think it's unlikely and would be really bad play by scum. Quote2: Medic should only claim if he saved somebody. Pointless to claim when scum double stacked on Bugs. Even if he claims we won't know BKE's alignment. With all courtesy: That's a bad suggestion. BKE was jailed. That means that if he is scum they only had 1kp and couldn't double stack. Absolutely if there was a save on bugs and the medic got confirmation he should claim. | ||
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On January 27 2013 09:29 Vivax wrote: It's not gonzaw. Who did x contact first? Who censored the information? Seems pretty obvious chez censored it. | ||
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Am I misinterpreting the OP or are mafia limited to one Jack? If so then we can confirm Yamato which narrows that pool even further. Annul does concern me though that he was asking to save chez but if he is a hatter it makes sense so we can't really get much out of that. Gonna look into a vivax lynch just due to how anti town he is. Maybe I missed something | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:29 FiveTouch wrote: We need to stop gaming the setup and look for mafia the normal way, I think. It's worth getting out of the way. If we happened to confirm/catch someone that'd be huge, wrist case we've just wasted an hour but we still have plenty of time today. As I said before I'm still really focused on vivax. Vivax - who did you check night 2 and did they return red or green? You don't have to say the role unless it hit scum. | ||
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On January 28 2013 11:34 FiveTouch wrote: Already stated in thread, Stutters. I don't know why you haven't read the thread to be honest. I stopped reading his posts part of the way into the day because I would have argued with everything he said and it would have been pointless. | ||
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On January 29 2013 12:26 FiveTouch wrote: Because I don't know who's mafia, it's quite simple. The reason I keep asking Vivax, and anyone who will listen, about what they thought about the day 3 lynch, is because; it seems absolutely apparent to me who was getting lynched on day 3, so the fact that annul had his bomb on chezinu should at the least be a cause for concern. But if a bunch of other townies for some reason didn't think it was a forgeone conclusion, then something I find obvious clearly isn't obvious to everyone else. Which changes how I view things. I asked him that question a while ago. I would have to check his filter and remember what he said though. I had that same concern. Especially with BKE flipping town. | ||
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But his lack of truly explaining why he kept his bomb on chez and the convenience of his claim from a scum perspective (no way to verify other than role cop) doesn't look good. Additionally the whole mason thing with Mocsta didn't sit right with me. At the time it was hard to explain since he just abruptly stopped talking to Mocsta so he wouldn't potentially get framed. That's all well and good, but why wouldn't he push him after. He said another Mason was scum, voted Mocsta (mason) and tried to save Chez (confirmed scum mason). These are an awful lot of coincidences in addition to not being a very town player in general. | ||
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Annul what time did you send the PM? | ||
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On January 30 2013 07:10 grush57 wrote: either you or annul. Care to explain or are you just going to throw out names that aren't considered confirmed town without actually explaining why? Other than the fact you're a mason you've provided nothing that suggests you're town. Care to contribute? | ||
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On January 30 2013 08:40 annul wrote: yeah, mafia have to achieve one less mislynch, so they get a jack, gf, at least 2 masons, and probably an rb and framer, right? Can you give me the time stamp on the first PM you sent to Mocsta? Thanks. | ||
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Catching up on the thread now. | ||
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On February 01 2013 10:10 FiveTouch wrote: Stop trolling. We kill annul. austin is kinda tempting because he deserves to be lynched for being wrong the whole game and not submitting to me. If Toad jked annul doesn't that prove he can't be scum? | ||
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Stutters695
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annul did you get a rb notification. | ||
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Stutters695
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On February 02 2013 01:25 FiveTouch wrote: I'm not really willing to consider a 3 GF scenario in an already-nerfed setup for town. I don't think BC is that bad at balancing. We just lynch down my list and win. Oats/fuba today, annul the next day, grush the next, Adam the next. Something like that. In between you confirm someone as not-mafia OR give us an extra lynch (same difference) if mafia withold their kill. It's really easy and people need to stop overcomplicating. Agreed. I'd have to see some really convincing shit to consider you or toad scum and your plan is sound otherwise. I'll be sheeping it. | ||
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