On January 22 2013 09:34 Vivax wrote:Please lynch JX
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote:
*snipped axle coherency comment*
I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy.
*question to host and gonzaw vote*
*Joking about earlier game*
I took a look at what reads he meant.
Written by gonz very early, probably not serious:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 14:01 gonzaw wrote:
*snip
Seems like sandro flipped scum again.
Unless you plan on telling us why you are not giving a shit about the mayor candidacy, which you would obviously do as town?
Here gonzaw says the same thing JX said later about me. We could interpret this as one of the reads JX was agreeing with.
It's also pretty interesting that austin and gonzaw share the same preference for stutters. Should be scrutinized.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 20 2013 15:24 gonzaw wrote:
Just before I go to sleep 2 things caught my attention since I've skimmed the thread:
1)Vivax made his "campaign post" as soon as the game started, and completely disappeared. If he was town actually trying to be mayor...one would have thought he'd keep around trying to either do what town does (hunt scum as early as possible and start discussion) or at the very least answer questions regarding his mayor campaign.
2)Stutters' entrance in the game seemed pretty underwhelming. Even though there's nothing "solid" to go on about most people, he just seemed to ask seemingly "unrelated" questions without trying to participate that much in discussions. I saw him make his first "weak" post (at least in a general sense), then ask some questions, "lurk" in between and ask some other questions.
It's not much to go on, I'd want him to take a stance on the whole sandro issue and other candidates perhaps.
There are some guys I don't even know, like Fivesomething and Donotsomething, I take it they are smurfs?
In summary, it looks like JX trusted gonzaw and his reads at the time. Among those, he preferred to comment on me rather than stutters or sandro.
However, in the next post:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:08 JieXian wrote:*snip*
Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 18:41 sandroba wrote:
I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all.
>_> You do know I can change my vote any time right? I was trying to get Axle to write so that everyone can understand him, telling toad to cool down and supporting my town read and someone I believe to be a strong player.
Moreover sandroba, this really is my first Mayor game. And by the way, I did say that I'm agreeing with gonzaw's read on you and you don't seem to be happy about it.
Show nested quote +On January 20 2013 22:31 Vivax wrote:This needs answers:
On January 20 2013 19:51 Vivax wrote:I have questions, too:
- gonzaw, Axle and JieXian: How is me being afk after my candidacy a "bad thing?". Post your reasoning!
Why would mafia preferably over town not post after the candidacy? Can you enlighten me?
Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I played against Vivax as mafia before and boy do we love having him lynch townies with his bad reads. Which was why
I'm not voting for Vivax mayor.If
Vivax or sandroba were scum it's too stupid a move attacking the weakest player among those
who had suspicions against you so I think at least 1 of you should chill.
He's implying that both me and sandro were attacking him cause he's weak and suspecting us rather than responding directly to the points sandro made.
Telling us, the (scum)reads from gonzaw he agrees with, to "chill" lol.
I would rather expect a townie with us as scumreads to become suspicious of both of us here, not to write that we're just omgusing him as his defence.
He also says he doesn't want me as mayor, later he will say he would vote for me based on what Toad said.
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions?
That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read".
I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again?
And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again:
In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor.
If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least
ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good.
Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now.
Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy?
Okay. He agrees with gonzaws' reads, so he should find me, sandro and possibly stutters scummy. Yet he asks Toad a question about...gonzaw himself? Why? He knows he agrees with him, why is he asking information about him and not me or stutters?
As you see in the first post in this quotechain,
Oats asked Toad about sandrobas reluctance to run for mayor.
Toad replied that he already wrote it (he wrote that it's troublesome that sandro's not running but later, that he still wants him elected even if he doesn't want it).
Now, JX doesn't care about that exchange, he asks Toad if sandro is bullshitting or feeling lazy (which is a strange question to ask about someone you should find concerning). All the while ignoring what has already been written about him.
These two are the sort of random stuff scum asks to look useful. Detached from their line of thought/set of reads.
More or less like this one in the second post after:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do.
Don't know what are you trying to acheive there
Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless
I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking.
What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says?Vivax mind explaining?
He asks Toad another random question after he answered the previous one with this:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:32 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:25 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:11 Toadesstern wrote:On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote:
Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game?
Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game.
Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont.
Any Questions?
That's a lie. I mentioned that twice and mentioned what I think about it twice up until now. Once very early and once when gonzaw asked me and I thought "whatever, I'll just repeat myself, maybe he didn't read".
I don't mind repeating myself once. Do I have to repeat myself twice and answer that question again?
And again, because some people apparantly misunderstood me. Given what I posted it is probably understandable if you don't know me so I'll make it clear once again:
In no fashion or art am I trying to tell people to talk about townreads and screw scumhunting. We are scumhunting today and that's how we form reads on everyone. While mafiareads are things that develope slowly townreads are things that can develope really fast and don't need talking about because everyone should be able to do that themselves, so that should come naturally, without the need of focussing on it. Just keep it in mind that we have to vote a mayor.
If possible I will elect the towniest out of the vets because I don't want some random bob in that position. If none of the vets are able to post enough for us to get a proper read on at least
ONE of them I'm up for voting someone else. That's my take on the situation. I think it's the best approach but I'm not going to tell anyone how to vote today. As mentioned, townreads should come naturally and I don't want them explained for obvious reasons. As long as everyone does that we're good.
Still reading the thread. My big sis' husbands birthday was today so kind of buisy up until now.
Since you know gonzaw what do you think about him so far then? Is Sandroba's bullshitting or is he feeling lazy?
Sandroba is weird. Him not running for mayor is weird without being alignment indicative at all. If anything it might be a towntell but I'm believing him when he said it's something he set his mind to pregame so it makes it a null-tell.
The few posts he did so far aren't looking like the usual townsandroba though. It's hard to judge based on so little but something's off and I have to figure out wether it's him being mafia or him playing different on purpose.
Don't want to say too much about gonzaw right now.
As you see, Toad says sandro doesn't look like town sandro.
JX just asked him a question about sandro, gets a semi-null read as response, and doesn't give a fuck about it (I assume sandro would be his current suspect if he's asking questions about him and agrees with gonzaw).
He also doesn't ask why Toad doesn't want to talk about gonzaw.
No. He goes on to ask a question about a debears being talked about by austin.To which Toad replied:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:56 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:52 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:47 Toadesstern wrote:On January 21 2013 03:45 JieXian wrote:On January 21 2013 03:36 Vivax wrote:
JieXian did you read my filter?
What do you think of me? Don't you think something is still missing? I do.
Don't know what are you trying to acheive there
Wouldn't mind an answer from you nevertheless
I already said everything I needed to say about Vivax for now with my earlier post >_> Vivax was sounding like he's saying COME AND GET ME, and as I said, I have no idea what was he thinking.
What do you think about debears being quiet and uninvolved like austin says?
Vivax mind explaining?
didn't even realize he has posted yet :p
Seems like an ignore & observe to me right now. Anything said about him would be talking out of my ass everyone could do no matter of alingment because all there is is "dude's a lurker". No need for that right now.
JX -again- never expanded on Toads' answer. What did he ask them for then?
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 04:07 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 04:02 Vivax wrote:
@JieXian
Why do you suspect exactly debears out of all lurkers? Cause austin already mentioned him?
Would you still vote for gonzaw as mayor?
@ Clarity
When will you be dropping your promised reads? I am taking back the support until I see something good.
I'm asking for toad's professional vet opinion about somebody so I can read better
And subsequently he doesn't give a fuck about anything he was agreeing about with gonzaw earlier, yet he still wants him for mayor in a later post.
Then this here is also pretty scummy, but it's rather subjective:
+ Show Spoiler +On January 21 2013 03:54 JieXian wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:49 Vivax wrote:Because what you did was like a huge bet on the flop followed by a check without a dangerous card coming on the turn. You're not following up. That makes people suspicious.
I was looking for an answer, and this is it?
You think I am scum cause? I announce my candidacy and then go to sleep? You answer with a metaphor that I don't see apply here anyway?
Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 03:50 Vivax wrote:
EBWOP: You think that was scummy behaviour, you didn't express your belief of me being scum yet.
Ok it means screaming and going quiet. If you're sleeping it's fine. I didn't not express my belief because
I only have a suspicion. And it appears that you're sleeping.
Why are you expectnig me to continue pursuing you if you've provided an explaination? Would you say this to someone you think could be scum?