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yamato77
11589 Posts
Other than that there's only your first post of the game to go by. [/QUOTE] well, as i said, i went to a laser tag tournament last night and then i went right to sleep. i have had maybe 90 minutes looking at this thread since the game started. however, pointing out bad play like vivax's line there is hardly "useless" no matter who says it.[/QUOTE] Annul, when you get caught up in the thread I want your updated opinion on Vivax. Also on Toad. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:11 yamato77 wrote: Does anyone feel compelled to respond to me at all when I ask why people think Vivax is town? probably cuz they are his red teammates | ||
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Mocsta
Australia9388 Posts
On January 21 2013 12:18 Djodref wrote: But I think we should privilege a player looking obviously town than a good player for sheriff. Hence my candidature  Noted that you followed up on Clarity not once, but twice. Please indulge your scum read/lynch candidate if you were instated. I would like to see some detailed insight too pls. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
Stop lurking deebs. If you're town I want your input here. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 20 2013 11:20 Toadesstern wrote: the problem really isn't your sanity although that might be part of it. The problem I see with voting someone like you is that unless you hit mafia d1 there will be a shitstorm d2 with half of the people screaming for your head while the other half doesn't want to lynch you. It's just not a good situation to be in if you're mayor, no matter of your alignment unless you actually hit mafia d1 and I'm not willing to risk that without a proper read and having better / decent alternatives. Like I said, Sandro should be the #1 person to go to if he's town, he's really good as town but not so much as mafia. Shouldn't be too hard to figure him out if he starts posting It's basicly the same reasoning for why I'm not running Toad Said of Chezinu: the problem really isn't your sanity although that might be part of it. The problem I see with voting someone like you is that unless you hit mafia d1 there will be a shitstorm d2 with half of the people screaming for your head while the other half doesn't want to lynch you. Earlier Toad made this comment and it has stuck with me. It stuck with because it was what i have been concerned about this mayor thing since before the game. It is fine to look one move ahead, we could elect the worst player in the game mayor if we thought they were town, then by some mini-max(a math term) game evaluation metric, that would be town in front as scum was deprived of a strategic position. Thats poor analysis, the best analysis is what maximises game end position. The problem is we must play so we get to Lynch the last Scum. Not just the next scum. It is important to the vets to not get fooled and vote someone they can identify as scum to lead Town. That is fine, but its not the whole game. Whoever we elect they are likely going to eventually stuff up that, I am going to start to get suspicious. By my best estimate, I expect to be in the cohort not lynched and not nk'd when that question comes up. How at that time will i identify the vet, who the vets believed was town in light of all the new evidence i will have but the vets didnt. That gives me real pause for thought lots of the vets use what to me are rather bizarre emotive arguments for stuff. if lower ranked players did the same stuff it would scream scum to me, but somehow I give the vets a pass because it looks to dumb to be vet. If thats how they run their mayoral duties, I am not really going to get a good feel for whether i blame them or town for the inevitable mislynches. This narrows my field of vets somewhat to those that use rational understand not emotive baggage driven claims. prplhz : platform Lynch Chezinu. Chezinu: platform Lynch he(prplhz) who broke the Chezinu rule. (OMGUS Chezinu policy) Well the list is longer but I dont give out town reads. My criteria are I will need to be able to decide you are Town for myself in the future, that means being readable in why you do stuff. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
then, yamato calls him out (like i did), and even more recently, vivax now wants to lynch yamato. does this guy do anything other than OMGUSing? | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
HOWEVER, his disappearance since then is not good for him being town. I dont want to vote for a mayor that advocates lurker lynching because it removes the responsibility that the mayor has to justify his lynches. I want the mayor to not be fucking retarded and actually takes some responsibility for his actions. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
On January 21 2013 12:29 AxleGreaser wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 11:20 Toadesstern wrote: the problem really isn't your sanity although that might be part of it. The problem I see with voting someone like you is that unless you hit mafia d1 there will be a shitstorm d2 with half of the people screaming for your head while the other half doesn't want to lynch you. It's just not a good situation to be in if you're mayor, no matter of your alignment unless you actually hit mafia d1 and I'm not willing to risk that without a proper read and having better / decent alternatives. Like I said, Sandro should be the #1 person to go to if he's town, he's really good as town but not so much as mafia. Shouldn't be too hard to figure him out if he starts posting It's basicly the same reasoning for why I'm not running Toad Said of Chezinu: the problem really isn't your sanity although that might be part of it. The problem I see with voting someone like you is that unless you hit mafia d1 there will be a shitstorm d2 with half of the people screaming for your head while the other half doesn't want to lynch you. Earlier Toad made this comment and it has stuck with me. It stuck with because it was what i have been concerned about this mayor thing since before the game. It is fine to look one move ahead, we could elect the worst player in the game mayor if we thought they were town, then by some mini-max(a math term) game evaluation metric, that would be town in front as scum was deprived of a strategic position. Thats poor analysis, the best analysis is what maximises game end position. The problem is we must play so we get to Lynch the last Scum. Not just the next scum. It is important to the vets to not get fooled and vote someone they can identify as scum to lead Town. That is fine, but its not the whole game. Whoever we elect they are likely going to eventually stuff up that, I am going to start to get suspicious. By my best estimate, I expect to be in the cohort not lynched and not nk'd when that question comes up. How at that time will i identify the vet, who the vets believed was town in light of all the new evidence i will have but the vets didnt. That gives me real pause for thought lots of the vets use what to me are rather bizarre emotive arguments for stuff. if lower ranked players did the same stuff it would scream scum to me, but somehow I give the vets a pass because it looks to dumb to be vet. If thats how they run their mayoral duties, I am not really going to get a good feel for whether i blame them or town for the inevitable mislynches. This narrows my field of vets somewhat to those that use rational understand not emotive baggage driven claims. prplhz : platform Lynch Chezinu. Chezinu: platform Lynch he(prplhz) who broke the Chezinu rule. (OMGUS Chezinu policy) Well the list is longer but I dont give out town reads. My criteria are I will need to be able to decide you are Town for myself in the future, that means being readable in why you do stuff. I thought you would help my circles spend... Are the circles not brown enough for you? Was your vote only a joke? You underestimate the power of the Chezinu Rule. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
On January 21 2013 12:29 AxleGreaser wrote: This narrows my field of vets somewhat to those that use rational understand not emotive baggage driven claims. prplhz : platform Lynch Chezinu. Chezinu: platform Lynch he(prplhz) who broke the Chezinu rule. (OMGUS Chezinu policy) Well the list is longer but I dont give out town reads. My criteria are I will need to be able to decide you are Town for myself in the future, that means being readable in why you do stuff. What do you think about 5touch, the popular candidate now? | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
On January 21 2013 12:35 annul wrote: conclusion: vivax is either bright red or a really, really unskilled noob at mafia. not pro-town right now in any capacity This is my third game with Vivax, he is no noob. Also, I am in an obs thread with him for an ongoing game where he has shown very good scum hunting skills. I see none of his town thinking in his play this game. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
On January 21 2013 10:09 mkfuba07 wrote: Toad: I think that sounds good, but who is "some idiot we all know to be town"? How do we find and agree on someone like that? I'll be your doug | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
I think Djo would be a good lynch option today or tomorow I'm looking at the vivax/yamato reaction I believe yamato to be more likely scum out of the two more coming after i read the last 6 pages | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 21 2013 12:23 Mocsta wrote: Noted that you followed up on Clarity not once, but twice. Please indulge your scum read/lynch candidate if you were instated. I would like to see some detailed insight too pls. As stated before, I would like to lynch Clarity. Because he is running for mayor, but has failed to provide any post with content so far, and that really doesn't look like town Clarity. Also, I could lynch debears for not spamming the thread as usual when he is town. Regarding Oats, I agree with the scumread on him by other players. Some things tipped me off in his filter. On January 20 2013 18:22 Oatsmaster wrote: Hey,Toad why are you so concerned about voting a vet as Mayor? Can you read all the vets in this game? Also, you havent said anything about Sandro's reluctance to run and I think that since you are a 'vet' you should know him better than 80% of the people in the game. Hey Guys, Im not running for mayor cause Im not retarded and it makes me feel sad when I dont get votes. So I wont. Any Questions? Let's take a look at his opening post. He announces that he is not going to run, but asks if anyone has questions for him. Why would he think that people would interrogate him about his opening post ? It could be self-guiltiness here. Also his posts are lacking of content. For example, his call to the lurkers is quite useless. On January 21 2013 11:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Got sniped by yamato, URGH. Grush, Mkfuba, Jiexian Annul. Where did you guys go?? Especially Annul. Pops in, posts random shit and fucks off. I also don't like his reaction when Toad said he could be a good lynch. I'm expecting town Oats to be more aggressive, but his reaction here is quite passive. On January 21 2013 12:08 Oatsmaster wrote: Toad Reasoning for lynching me Oats looks like a decent lynch uhuh. Besides that post, you havent mentioned scum at all. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
he is slightly more on the red side of the spectrum for me right now. he accounts for like 12% of the game's posts right now, and he has put a lot of information on the table. if i am right and toad is red, it is certain that he has linked himself to other reds in the game based on his day 1 play. i would not be upset with a vivax day 1 kill, because i think he is red, and 1. it kills a red d1, and 2. it keeps toad on the table and if his play continues to reveal him as being red, then we get 2 days of him digging holes for his team instead of 1 day. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 21 2013 12:43 debears wrote: Btw I think Djo would be a good lynch option today or tomorow I'm looking at the vivax/yamato reaction I believe yamato to be more likely scum out of the two more coming after i read the last 6 pages Hello debears ! What happened to you ? And why should I be a good lynch for today or tomorrow ? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Toad, You skipped the question by attacking me. Please answer it | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
Do you really think Vivax or Toad could get lynched today ? I wouldn't lynch the most vocal players on D1, so I'm against it, but do you think you can convince enough people to lynch them ? | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Clearly you havent read my filter Djo, unless you and I have a different definition of aggressiveness. Toad, You skipped the question by attacking me. Please answer it what question? Was there another one besides "give reason for lynching me" ? because I'm pretty damn sure I answered that one. | ||
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Djodref
France3332 Posts
On January 21 2013 12:47 Oatsmaster wrote: Clearly you havent read my filter Djo, unless you and I have a different definition of aggressiveness. Toad, You skipped the question by attacking me. Please answer it Ok, some of your posts are aggressive, but I felt the aggression was not warranted. And your attack on Toad when he calls you a good lynch today is lacking of conviction in my eyes. On January 21 2013 10:05 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax, are you serious about wanting to becoming mayor or were you just trolling the thread? For example, this post was kind of unwarranted aggression. I think it is clear that Vivax is trying to achieve something with his candidature, regardless of his alignment. I think he is going to be involved in this game. | ||
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