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On January 21 2013 10:40 yamato77 wrote:
@Djo
What is the point of all your talk about mayor/sheriff elections and town reads?
If you'd bothered to read my filter that supposedly makes me so town, you'd see that I hate this sort of behavior.
I'm sorry but I was answering the question moscta asked me about you.
Also we need to make sure that both the sherrif and the mayor are going to be town players.
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On January 21 2013 09:31 DearestSnot wrote:GM, fivetouch or whomever you are: read this. + Show Spoiler [part 1] +On November 15 2011 19:17 prplhz wrote:
I think any policy lynch is stupid, and LAW (lynch-all-wherebugsgos) is one of the more stupid policies to lynch by. You want to just lock down the lynch on him without any discussion? Then how are we supposed to catch scum? If we lynch him based on nothing (he hasn't posted in the thread yet) then there's like 22% chance that he will be scum. That means that you want to sacrifice the following:
1 cycle of discussion
1 townie from NK
... in exchange for the following:
22% chance to hit a scum, a whopping 78% chance to hit a townie.
Tell me why you think this is a good deal? I am quite aware that Palmar is just trying to make discussion, so am I, now lets discuss. Now, what did prplhz say in his first post? I will lynch Chezinu, non negotiable. That was the fourth post following the daypost, and Chezinu hadn't even posted yet.
Hey five touch you appear to be claiming you understand stuff. If youre smurf that might be true. If your a smurf of vet player its even likely. I have problem, you can help. Id like to know how much you do understand, and id like to understand more.
The above appears to be nailing prplhz to something he said out of the gate before Chezinu posted. I have hard of the chezinu rule but thought most people had. hence breaking it is? brave? I do know low hanging fruit are tempting and look like soft targets. {flashes a charming smile} But, I have seen what i regard as number of too dumb to real posts.
Toad says out of one corner of his mouth... (all emphs added)
+ Show Spoiler [candidate list] + well basically everyone who's considered a vet is an option for me right now, that means I want the towniest out of:
Toad, gonzaw, Annul, prplhz, Sandroba, Chezinu (technically speaking that is), maybe BKE and austin idk.
+ Show Spoiler [great logic on the whatifs] +I could see a mayor-lynch on chez happening on nothing but "duh, he was wrong let's lynch him" because he's hard to read
+ Show Spoiler [Hits two out of three] +
Prplhz seems to be running on bullshit
Gonzaw is someone who noone with a functioning brain should want in a position of power
Same probably goes for me and Chezinu...
+ Show Spoiler [self consistent (I think)] +
screw that, let's vote Sandroba and see what happens
##vote Sandroba
+ Show Spoiler [Ok it may have reasons BUT] +
I'm on gonzaw for now. I like his most recent post for several things. Mostly talking about stuff I picked up as well, mostly stuff I agree on, mostly stuff I'm not sure mafia-gonzaw would pay enough attention to, to come to the same conclusion as I as well did.
So ##vote Gonzaw
Still would like to hear more from other people like Sandro, prplhz and annul.
Intentions: as they are unclear. Your second part has more (real to me justification on prplhz but its based on meta i dont know so IDK)
Thats not the point of this. What is?
The first step to me evaluating anything you do this game is asses you knowledge and skill, how worthwhile are you, how dangerous, as your smurfing its obviously to keep stuff dry?(AFAIK) (so ... well thats your plan I supose, meh your game)
You can probably however let me see something by explaining how on earth you distinguish between the two situations.
In a nutshell
How is toads back flip on the seemingly flippant remark "noone with a functioning brain"...
Different to prplhz wanting to Lynch Chezinu, if elected. Might proposing arbitrary lynches be a way to not get elected.
Could both be looking for who would pounce on him for the too dumb to be serious wagon much as Vivax seemed to?
Do I not understand this game AT ALL + Show Spoiler +
Do you have any comments on this that you think it would beneficial for Town to tell me at this time?
Now that is tricky...
+ Show Spoiler [other unrelated stuff on prplhz and h…] +On January 21 2013 09:31 DearestSnot wrote:
Secondly, compared to his most recent games, the ones I'm looking at are Pick your Poison and GSL Open, Dwarf Mini, etc. my initial impression is that he seems to be following more his mafia style than his town style. As town he quickly starts looking to kill scum. He asks questions as both alignments, but he doesn't solely ask questions as town. He also does some of his own work, and his questions are at the very least aligned toward accomplishing something. I don't see that here.
In addition to that, he delurked right when I called him out, and has done nothing to actually indicate that he is interested in killing scum, or even electing a mayor who would kill scum.
I looked over XLVII (the massive shitfest game where he was scum) but he seemed to post a lot more fluff there and as far as I can remember he played scum quite differently there than he did in other games.
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On January 21 2013 10:40 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 10:33 Vivax wrote:
I would vote Bugs just for slapping Toad for calling me an idiot while he's such a fruitless spammer. I think my name is enough of a slap for Toad LOL ![[image loading]](http://www.wordsmith.org/animatedgifs/anim-DearestSnot_Toadesstern-Cu4G.gif) Anyone who has already said they are not interested in voting me or FiveTouch : can I get an explanation why? So far most people have simply given pretty meh opinions. Austin's in particular are quite strange. He says we shouldn't dismiss Chezinu as a candidate, yet he says Chezinu should not be voted. I'm not actually seeing the reasoning for the dissonance there.
I don't want to lynch prplhz so you don't get my vote 
Anyone else you would like to lynch ?
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On January 21 2013 10:40 DearestSnot wrote:
Anyone who has already said they are not interested in voting me or FiveTouch : can I get an explanation why? So far most people have simply given pretty meh opinions. Austin's in particular are quite strange. He says we shouldn't dismiss Chezinu as a candidate, yet he says Chezinu should not be voted. I'm not actually seeing the reasoning for the dissonance there. You're not killing the folks I'm most interested in killing.
Reads + being hard to mess with + probably decent at dealing with being masoned by a couple folks and trying to read them/not give mafia masons info = good mayoral candidate. Therefore, Chez is a good mayoral candidate.
IF he comes off strongly town, he should be getting votes. IF he doesn't, then he shouldn't. But I dislike that people are considering him to not even be a possible mayor, because who knows what happens in the next day.
My arguments on that point have mainly been that Chez should be a candidate, not that he should be mayor given the first 24 hours of this game. You may disagree that chez could be readable, that he could be a strong town read, but I don't see how it's dissonant that he is a legitimate candidate, and should get votes if he comes off as strongly town + he hasn't come off as strongly town so doesn't have my vote atm.
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EBWOP But, I have seen what i regard as number of too dumb to be real posts.
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Well if no one is going to respond to anything meaningfully, I'm going to start doing what I've seen other top towns do and start listing my scum reads.
Toad - gut read, hasn't taken a stance on anything meaningful and has been most forceful about things that done matter at all (wbg's candidacy)
Vivax - scummy vote post for Sandroba and very scummy responses to my accusations
Djodref - famous as scum for 'setup talk', and is similarly wasting his words this game worrying more about who should or shouldn't be mayor and why or why not, plus his out if nowhere town read on me
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On January 21 2013 10:31 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 10:18 Mocsta wrote:On January 21 2013 10:08 Djodref wrote:
Does yamato look town enough for you ? I could see him sherrif right now. Why? I haven't seen anything that sticks out as specifically pro-town. Perhaps you can enlighten me. You aren't necessarily pro-town when you are town Yamato sticks out, has strong opinions, looks emotionally involved and his main concern is to find scum. That makes him town in my eyes ^^
I have yet to see a sound reason to enlist yam as mayor/sheriff from your list.
Has strong opinions? That doesnt mean they are right, and certainly does not indicate if motivated to aid town.
Looks emotionally involved? So is susceptible to formal/informal fallacies
Main concern is to find scum? Is that not all our perceived concern Day1 - caveat: if playing active
For me, I like Austinmcc so far the best.
I like his approach to answering my questions, and felt some of the points he raised mimicked my thoughts.
Having said that, I am still waiting for more information to digest before issuing a vote.
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On January 21 2013 10:28 DearestSnot wrote:if your worry is that I am scum and I would be hard to catch in a mayoral position, whatever, don't vote me, but beware that if you choose not to vote me or believe my reads or whatever on that basis, you're simply being scared of the possibility that I am scum and you are not actually taking the time to read my posts or my reads. If you do this, you're going to be playing like Toad, and you don't want to be like Toad. Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 09:47 prplhz wrote:
when no one has posted chezinu is clearly the best lynch. the guy is a lunatic in more ways than i care to know about and most importantly, he never seems very occupied with anything but himself and his lunacy and this makes for bad reads on him. if you don't want to get read then i believe it's a lot harder to play with you and chezinu is one of these (maybe the only one).
why would i "delurk" when you call me out but not when sandroba called me out? that makes no sense, sandroba is SANDROBA and you're just some german with a low post count. it makes a lot more sense that i was just around at that particular time especially considering that it was around 6pm iirc.
no i'm not worrying too much about who to lynch right now. i read gonzaw and he seems like a perfectly good mayor candidate to me and the scum reads i have are pretty i'm not sure about them at all. that's why i asked who he wanted to lynch, so i could read up on that person. i don't see the JX thing that sandro sees.
i don't really care for you irrationally going for me because i seem to recall that you do that i most of your games. i think it's really weird that you're not spamming more though but maybe that's because you were smurfing and you didn't want to play like you usually do, you picked it up after you revealed yourself. I "irrationally" go for you in most of my games? What? Lol. I always have good reasons for attacking you, and this game is no exception. Your explanations for your behavior so far are still quite underwhelming, and you admit you have no interest in finding scum. If you are indeed town, tell me what you think of Oats. + Show Spoiler +also the sandro part is funny given that it is certainly possible that he is scum too.
explanation for my behavior? you are saying that i am acting scummy, i know that i'm not, what kind of explanation are you expecting here? i posted my thoughts on the game and i believe that's the best thing i can do right now. i'll get back to you on goatmaster tomorrrow i can't recall if he was one of those who stood out to me when i was reading.
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On January 21 2013 10:50 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 10:40 DearestSnot wrote:On January 21 2013 10:33 Vivax wrote:
I would vote Bugs just for slapping Toad for calling me an idiot while he's such a fruitless spammer. I think my name is enough of a slap for Toad LOL Anyone who has already said they are not interested in voting me or FiveTouch : can I get an explanation why? So far most people have simply given pretty meh opinions. Austin's in particular are quite strange. He says we shouldn't dismiss Chezinu as a candidate, yet he says Chezinu should not be voted. I'm not actually seeing the reasoning for the dissonance there. I don't want to lynch prplhz so you don't get my vote Anyone else you would like to lynch ?
as I've already stated, I'm also willing to lynch Oats.
Whom do you want to lynch?
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Axle, if you want me to talk to you, you're going to have to speak plainer. I'm not wading through all that to get to the gist of what you are saying.
On January 21 2013 09:47 prplhz wrote:
when no one has posted chezinu is clearly the best lynch. the guy is a lunatic in more ways than i care to know about and most importantly, he never seems very occupied with anything but himself and his lunacy and this makes for bad reads on him. if you don't want to get read then i believe it's a lot harder to play with you and chezinu is one of these (maybe the only one).
why would i "delurk" when you call me out but not when sandroba called me out? that makes no sense, sandroba is SANDROBA and you're just some german with a low post count. it makes a lot more sense that i was just around at that particular time especially considering that it was around 6pm iirc.
no i'm not worrying too much about who to lynch right now. i read gonzaw and he seems like a perfectly good mayor candidate to me and the scum reads i have are pretty i'm not sure about them at all. that's why i asked who he wanted to lynch, so i could read up on that person. i don't see the JX thing that sandro sees.
i don't really care for you irrationally going for me because i seem to recall that you do that i most of your games. i think it's really weird that you're not spamming more though but maybe that's because you were smurfing and you didn't want to play like you usually do, you picked it up after you revealed yourself.
It concerns me greatly that people don't want to lynch prplhz. This is a typical scum post. prplhz hasn't played the game all cycle, and when he does make his one post here, he only does so to attack bugs, and tell us that he doesn't care about the game. He also does not even attempt to refute the point brought up that he abhors policy lynches as town, and yet effectively proposed one here.
As such, austin no longer gets my vote.
##Unvote
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@fivetouch I can agree on an Oats lynch. Also i have a crazy idea of who you might be and if I'm right it would be nice if you were mayor. Against all odds I believe you rolled town this game =P
@yamato and vivax you are both likely town stop with the nonsense (though I'm more certain on vivax)
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I would like to know why I'm wrong, if that is indeed the case.
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hey, it's sandro!
Hi sandro, wbg here. You say you agree with Oats as a lynch. What do you think of prpl?
Are you going to vote for Fivetouch or me?
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On January 21 2013 10:53 DearestSnot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 10:50 Djodref wrote:On January 21 2013 10:40 DearestSnot wrote:On January 21 2013 10:33 Vivax wrote:
I would vote Bugs just for slapping Toad for calling me an idiot while he's such a fruitless spammer. I think my name is enough of a slap for Toad LOL Anyone who has already said they are not interested in voting me or FiveTouch : can I get an explanation why? So far most people have simply given pretty meh opinions. Austin's in particular are quite strange. He says we shouldn't dismiss Chezinu as a candidate, yet he says Chezinu should not be voted. I'm not actually seeing the reasoning for the dissonance there. I don't want to lynch prplhz so you don't get my vote Anyone else you would like to lynch ? as I've already stated, I'm also willing to lynch Oats. Whom do you want to lynch?
Clarity for not being being the usual Claritown and not posting when he promised to do so.
I could lynch debears as well for similar reasons.
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@FT i'm actually kinda torn on that post, the way it's written it looks a bit sincere and from stream of thought. I agree the content is poor, but his latest games prpl has been kind of angry mode.
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On January 21 2013 10:56 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 10:53 DearestSnot wrote:On January 21 2013 10:50 Djodref wrote:On January 21 2013 10:40 DearestSnot wrote:On January 21 2013 10:33 Vivax wrote:
I would vote Bugs just for slapping Toad for calling me an idiot while he's such a fruitless spammer. I think my name is enough of a slap for Toad LOL Anyone who has already said they are not interested in voting me or FiveTouch : can I get an explanation why? So far most people have simply given pretty meh opinions. Austin's in particular are quite strange. He says we shouldn't dismiss Chezinu as a candidate, yet he says Chezinu should not be voted. I'm not actually seeing the reasoning for the dissonance there. I don't want to lynch prplhz so you don't get my vote Anyone else you would like to lynch ? as I've already stated, I'm also willing to lynch Oats. Whom do you want to lynch? Clarity for not being being the usual Claritown and not posting when he promised to do so. I could lynch debears as well for similar reasons.
I suppose these are reasonable, but I don't want to spread ourselves too thinly.
What do you make of prplhz's statement that he wanted to lynch Chezinu at the beginning of the game, despite the fact that he hates policy lynches? What do you make of his defense of that statement, that in the absence of posts, Chezinu is the best lynch?
What was it about Austin's posts that made you change your mind?
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Greetings,
After the death of our former mayor and sheriff, I, Chezinu the Brown, will like to nominate myself officially to take the place of our mayor. I understand the responsibly of such a task. I understand the risks, but I am willing to take these risks. I know I must be able to lynch mafia scum swiftly or face my own demise. I have a plan. This plan involves much more than who I am going to lynch day 1. For I have been open about whom I shall kill. The one who has broken the Chezinu Rule. With his death, the mafia shall panic. They will try to hide themselves amongst us, but we will find them! Even as I speak, the mafia tremble in there their seats. Yes, seats! The mafia sit as they so call "play games" with us. They are controlled by the keystrokes of their master! We will disconnect them! No longer will there chatter be amongst the town, but rather among the Great Observers. For we are not alone! There are those who watch us from above. We cannot hear them, but they are there! We must have faith and give them a great showing! For with style, you please the Great Observers. So hear me Great Observers! We the town shall take down the mafia! Join us by watching our conquest!
Now, you town! You must decide. Will you play a game of boringness or would you love to witness Chezinu the Sane! For Chezinu the Sane has a plan. That plan some may know. For others, they will have to take it by faith. Bear with me like the Brown Bear! He has shown himself loyal. I would love all of town to follow his footsteps. As mayor, I will be more than just a mayor. I will form a great circle like no one has ever seen. This circle will be protected. This circle will survive! For Chezinu loves his circles. If mafia dares to destroy it, they will be destroyed themselves!
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On January 21 2013 10:56 Djodref wrote:Show nested quote +On January 21 2013 10:53 DearestSnot wrote:On January 21 2013 10:50 Djodref wrote:On January 21 2013 10:40 DearestSnot wrote:On January 21 2013 10:33 Vivax wrote:
I would vote Bugs just for slapping Toad for calling me an idiot while he's such a fruitless spammer. I think my name is enough of a slap for Toad LOL Anyone who has already said they are not interested in voting me or FiveTouch : can I get an explanation why? So far most people have simply given pretty meh opinions. Austin's in particular are quite strange. He says we shouldn't dismiss Chezinu as a candidate, yet he says Chezinu should not be voted. I'm not actually seeing the reasoning for the dissonance there. I don't want to lynch prplhz so you don't get my vote Anyone else you would like to lynch ? as I've already stated, I'm also willing to lynch Oats. Whom do you want to lynch? Clarity for not being being the usual Claritown and not posting when he promised to do so. I could lynch debears as well for similar reasons.
If there's one thing I learned from LVIII it is that this type of reasoning for thinking someone is scum is more often wrong than right, especially when it applies to those two, because they were both lurkish as town and different from their more 'normal' town games.
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On January 21 2013 10:58 sandroba wrote:
@FT i'm actually kinda torn on that post, the way it's written it looks a bit sincere and from stream of thought. I agree the content is poor, but his latest games prpl has been kind of angry mode.
Has prplhz rolled town since Rock Band? In any case, I grab a post from there, where he was under suspicion early:
On September 18 2012 08:54 prplhz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 18 2012 08:37 Blazinghand wrote:
Also, you literally stopped posting when I posted the case on you, so there's that. Yea I had just queue a game of DotA2 when you posted it and then I decided that I would rather see how it other people reacted before shooting it down. I don't really get the first argument. You are saying that my first posts are similar in my scum games, this doesn't make me scum. Then you argue that the first posts themselves have a distinct scummy agenda which is very disputable but more importantly, do you really think that any scum feel the need to push any agenda in their first post? I think that my first post is townie, I think that for all of those scum games you posted. At least the content is townie. Not everything scum posts is scummy. As for the "He's not quick to vote", no that's right, I didn't vote yet during the first 30 minutes of the game. I think it's a very thin argument that I should be scum because of that. I think I like to play both styles styles of "aggressive" and "careful and prodding" as town, I guess it all depends on what mood I am in. Anyway, I think your case on me looks townie and with everything else you've posted I'm pretty confident that you're town.
austinmcc, I thought this guy looked really scummy up until this post. It's especially his explanation of that single word "OBVIOUS" that seems very townie to me. It looks like he really thought carefully about my alignment and didn't consider covering his own ass or anything like that. I like that. Townie for now. Mementoss is a little harder. I think he just voted me because I posted a dumb picture and corrected his grammar. That can be really antagonizing I hate when people do that to me when I make a dumb little mistake. Overall I've got a townie feeling about him. marvellosity is pretty shabby for now. Show me some of that "thinky" that you promised before the game. We also need everybody else to join the game and post some more.
Here he rationally talks about the case made on him, with little anger. He goes on to share thoughts on several players of the game, while also encouraging people to post more. This attitude doesn't mesh with the prplhz that I've seen so far this game.
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@bugs i want to vote vivax/toad/ft, one of those 3 would be fine with me. I found his (prpl's) first out of character, but I'm not 100% convinced on it yet. I'd much rather lynch oats or jx. more inclined to lynch oats right now. Not voting you, i don't think i can tell if you are town d1 =P
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