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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 20 2013 11:55 sandroba wrote: i'm not running for mayor muahahaha that's my evil plan! i might lynch prpl anyway despite being a commoner explain this sandro also please explain in which games you have found "angry town prplhz", because I'm actually pretty curious about that. | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:00 DearestSnot wrote: Chopped down the quotes, timestamps may be off.I suppose these are reasonable, but I don't want to spread ourselves too thinly. You find a debears lynch "reasonable." How do you feel about a stutters lynch? | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:01 FiveTouch wrote: Has prplhz rolled town since Rock Band? In any case, I grab a post from there, where he was under suspicion early: Here he rationally talks about the case made on him, with little anger. He goes on to share thoughts on several players of the game, while also encouraging people to post more. This attitude doesn't mesh with the prplhz that I've seen so far this game. I noticed this as well when I was reading Rock Band, it's a good sign that we both came to the same conclusion on that independently. Chezinu, since you are here, can you explain whom you would lynch if elected? I seriously doubt you will be elected, but as a hypothetical, at any rate. Also, whom would you be willing to vote? Why are you interested in being mayor over voting someone else? | ||
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
You found JX scummy for his early post:+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once. regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed. Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them. In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town. And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game. Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753 it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence. If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due. I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong. Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people. Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed. As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall. So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.?? An association case. Arnarnion and Oats. In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles. Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of, Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town) The question is which? I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes? ##Vote: gonzaw for mayor And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. [B]On January 20 2013 18:41 sandroba wrote: I think this dude is scum. Longish post of irrelevant comments, a random gonzaw vote in the middle. I can't imagine the very first post you make in a game as town would be voting someone this early and with no questions asked at all. I actually found that post kind of townie: [B]On January 21 2013 00:23 austinmcc wrote: As to JieXian himself, I'm ... not scummy atm. Por queeeeeeeeeeeeeee? Because he's got ONE post really (his chezinu comment doesn't count) *snipped** Look at that post. Things that I like in that post, although small:
Sandro's pointed out reasons he found that post scummy, but I actually find the "irrelevant comments" that Sandro DISLIKES to be things that I get a mild town read off of. You disagree with that in the entirety? Or just still find that post scummy overall? | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:04 sandroba wrote: I agree, I just remember some recent game he subbed out where people thought he was scum and he was a bit bitter. It's better if he points it out, i can't recall which one. how recent is this game? On January 21 2013 11:03 austinmcc wrote: Chopped down the quotes, timestamps may be off. You find a debears lynch "reasonable." How do you feel about a stutters lynch? I find the suspicion reasonable but I don't think I would lynch either of those players today. Nor would I lynch stutters, particularly because stutters is a player I would firmly put in the "scummy as town" column. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:04 sandroba wrote: I agree, I just remember some recent game he subbed out where people thought he was scum and he was a bit bitter. It's better if he points it out, i can't recall which one. That was in fact ACME mini mafia: On November 01 2012 07:35 prplhz wrote: okay so everybody joined and then they outed again :/ anyway millers need to claim as soon as possible. if anybody has something else to claim then that's fine too. also, can we please only say things that we mean this game? i'm sick and tired of people making bullshit cases for dumb and scum to jump on just because they felt it was a good way to get the game started. it's perfectly possible (and in my opinion desirable) to play the game without saying dumb shit you don't really think for the lulz of it. this is kind of like lynch all liars except it doesn't have a fancy name (yet). This attitude pervades his town games, actually. People can check this for themselves. He regularly asks people to post more when he is town as well. | ||
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AxleGreaser
Australia1154 Posts
On January 21 2013 10:48 AxleGreaser wrote: Do you have any comments on this that you think it would beneficial for Town to tell me at this time? Now that is tricky... On January 21 2013 10:54 FiveTouch wrote: Axle, if you want me to talk to you, you're going to have to speak plainer. I'm not wading through all that to get to the gist of what you are saying. Thank you you appear to have answered my question adequately. | ||
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yamato77
11589 Posts
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:08 austinmcc wrote: Sand, You found JX scummy for his early post:+ Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 17:23 JieXian wrote: Axle you're not being coherent at all >_> + Show Spoiler + On January 20 2013 15:03 AxleGreaser wrote: These look like actual questions. Answering backwards order cos its easier. Why Vote chez + Show Spoiler + Chezinu is someone I surprisingly can usually think I understand. His I am always honest claim is one I would bank on. I just have to try real hard to see what I think he says. I think he counts on scum not bothering that hard. His I just wanna survive and have fun is another thing I believe as a truth about him. His two quoted posts are plausible and self consistent. If being mayor lets him open up and Go... That I want to see. Exactly what that means how direct would he be, how good is he, these i don't know. My votes are way to get a better glimpse of what he is then prepared to show. The chezinu vote is real, in the sense that: it is real, iff he then ponies up the right amount of collateral to support his claimed potential changes in play style. Sounds like good trade. the other Vets will just live longer if Mayor, Chezinu will potentially live longer and play better? As a feel read approach to why the vote... I am reminded of really old game called Master Of magic The guide to it says they would like to see the AI summon Toren Once, just once. Toren in that game is a virtual force of nature, one game strategy is to summon toren but it requires such huge resource commitment that normally you just could have won the other way. I wish to Summon a Chezinu once. regarding my pregame posts. There is in most players mind a large wall between pregame and now. there is not in my mind. I laid down a page of filter for reals, the scumminess of the reads was tongue in cheek as we had no PMs, although the set me up ones where Djo tried (in jest?) to get me wedded to a as self accepted scum read heuristic that was malleable at his whim was a bit bloody. I cant blame a guy for trying on the just in case..? its like just say no to drugs, the rush would pander to my self esteem, then thered be the reality, it just doesnt make any sense + Show Spoiler [me and the mayor] + me and being mayor. I think I was fairly clear. I should not be mayor. Thats not personal desire it was an analysis. I believe I gave the reasoning. The reasoning is as true now as it was then. basically i am not imba enough to carry the responsibility and more importantly the accountability for being mayor. Accountability was the secret word Vivax missed. Scum I hope cant be sure how townie town thinks I am. Which is why I was so very very clear you give town read on me I lynch you(try anyways), unless i am a day vig.... in which case i just end you. Scum don't need or deserve more free information. I expect to be perceived as weak, being a 2 game noob who arsed up his first one, I even expect this very sentence I am saying is just seen as bravado. I have not counted much, but IIRC my scum reads have not been good, although in solo obs I felt like i was successful, but hey thats just me saying.... Lots of people think they have good reads when they look back at them. In one syllable was ords (just in case i wasnt clear yet,...) Me not big man. me no good for that. me do bad reads me then get dead for no good read. Not good, bad. me sad if you make me big man cos then me die by your hand then at Lynch. Lynch mayor is big bad waste of stuff. waste that is bad for town. And that is it. Mayor is an advantage to own in that its expensive for scum to take the mayor down. Electing me throws that away as I reckon i will then get lynched by town for being bad. Hell scum may not panic at keeping me until LyLo. i am sure they would be down for playing chicken with town over who kills th unproductive mayor that town elected. Town is bound to lynch me before scum bother killing me. it is a no win game. Id repeat that again for emphasis but... I suppose you had to know if my pregame patter was for realsies, yep I am wedded to it. Hell i am wedded to it every game until my D1 reads rock the house. Toad his tag says that he's Australian and he's using a lot of slang. I think it's just the way he writes. From a Newbie game + Show Spoiler + On December 12 2012 10:14 AxleGreaser wrote: Yam has already made a case on Arnarnion here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=17201753 it is based on feels of the game I dont have. So I cant comment or just sheep that unless I find my own evidence. If you have the experience to know thats a valid argument then give it whatever weight it is due. I deal in rougher measures. part of the The itchyness that made me move my vote of Rad without counting properly what that meant, was partly mistakenly becoming more convinced Yamato was scum and partly feeling something was wrong. Oats had been a noiser player thus I would have expected it most likely for the other scum to hide in the other big puddle. The quiet people. Although both Arnarnion and Silencia are quiet, jidolboy is too but he has claimed. As you are all good, players if one of you was actually a named townie, or a blue role you would have counter claimed we throw you both under buses, yay team. As I am a careful player, I too have checked what I am several times, and I have no evidence I am not just what I appear to be, a town player. I may once have said playa before I realised just how hard language is read around here. Stuff happens,rocks fall. So lets assume for now jidolboy Cant be Scum or someone Would have counter claimed.?? An association case. Arnarnion and Oats. In my minimal knowledge a pair of Scum players have strong tendency to be in different pools of suspsects. One will be noisier, active and take risks hoping to get enough time to let the thrid one make it thorugh to a 3 man LyLo They will also want to pick off the two blue roles. Thus with Oats as one scum I would expect the other to be one of, Sylencia, Arnarnion, jidolboy(Confiremd Town) The question is which? I like what gonzaw's doing, actually making reads, most of which I agree with, while running for mayor. I do find Vivax disappearing after that long post running for mayor to be scummy. How do I vote for mayor and vote to lynch? How are do I differentiate the votes? ##Vote: gonzaw for mayor And lol Toad you shouting that you were yak gives people a reason to think you're the jester wanting to be lynched. It's perfectly reasonable, I don't know why you can't accept it. I actually found that post kind of townie: You disagree with that in the entirety? Or just still find that post scummy overall? Yes i dissagree. 1st point is often advised to new mafia players to do. 2nd point you are actually crazy and don't know what you are saying. He is talking about toad in another game, so it's completely irrelevant to this one. 3rd point if anyone was reading the pregame banter, that's actually a completely useless and obvious thing to point out. | ||
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Chezinu
United States7447 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:06 DearestSnot wrote: ##vote FiveTouch I noticed this as well when I was reading Rock Band, it's a good sign that we both came to the same conclusion on that independently. Chezinu, since you are here, can you explain whom you would lynch if elected? I seriously doubt you will be elected, but as a hypothetical, at any rate. Also, whom would you be willing to vote? Why are you interested in being mayor over voting someone else? Are you really not reading my posts? It makes me think that you are not wbg. Who says I won't vote someone else? Myself is a great place holder. I like austin. I was thinking gonaz pre-game but it seems no one is voting for him. I forgot who else is running... | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:11 yamato77 wrote: Does anyone feel compelled to respond to me at all when I ask why people think Vivax is town? he's giving you too much backlash, and while he MIGHT still be scum despite that, I don't see why you would continue to pursue a person who actually seems to give a fuck about the game, unlike a multitude of other players. as sandro mentioned, the most likely possibility is that you are both townies bashing heads. On January 21 2013 11:09 sandroba wrote: I think i might be confusing it with looney lynching, where i thought he was mafia day1 then I got shot, he got lynched and flipped town. I checked Looney Lynching and he clearly acts differently there. When asked for reads he's able to provide them, and he is very proactive about pushing for discussion and getting people to post more. He also seems at least a bit annoyed that people don't post: On October 10 2012 20:04 prplhz wrote: A ton of people need to post more or at all. Since day1 is 4 rounds of 24 hours each does that mean that we get a full 96 hours for day1? Unlike this game, where there are still plenty of people who haven't said much, but he isn't doing or saying anything to further productive activity. Also, when asked for reads he simply stalls for time, something I've noticed him do when he's scum. As town at the very least he has something to say whenever prompted, no matter how early in the game. | ||
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BroodKingEXE
United States829 Posts
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austinmcc
United States6737 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:14 sandroba wrote: Okay, fair enough. And yes, that's true for the third point. But he felt the need to go to some other game and grab a quote from there instead of any of the 25 odd pregame posts. I just don't share your read on that post. The second point was just that I overvalue paranoia as a townie, and so when he suggested toad was a jester in a game where we have all the roles in the OP, I just read that as mildly townie paranoia about roles/setupYes i dissagree. 1st point is often advised to new mafia players to do. 2nd point you are actually crazy and don't know what you are saying. He is talking about toad in another game, so it's completely irrelevant to this one. 3rd point if anyone was reading the pregame banter, that's actually a completely useless and obvious thing to point out. | ||
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DearestSnot
Germany200 Posts
Your last post was nothing but fluff directed at people to vote you for mayor. Don't be coy. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 21 2013 11:02 sandroba wrote: @bugs i want to vote vivax/toad/ft, one of those 3 would be fine with me. I found his (prpl's) first out of character, but I'm not 100% convinced on it yet. I'd much rather lynch oats or jx. more inclined to lynch oats right now. Not voting you, i don't think i can tell if you are town d1 =P Good look trying to convince people to give me a role that makes me uncheckable for DTs :p Except for that I basicly agree here 100%. I would LOVE to be mayor or sheriff but it's not going to happen, no need chasing that, so I would be up for a FT + Vivax combination. Oats looks like a decent lynch. JX is to soon to call something imo. Prplhz reminds me of how he played when I was 3rd party assassin in whatever the name was stylewise... I think he was pretty lurkish that game as well. Until I started telling people to lynch him that is. So yeah, wouldn't say prplhz is a good lynch although I his lack of posting is odd right now. But there's other people like that as well and I usually end up not wanting those lynches because if we have the option out of multiple (picture 3+) people like that who are all scummy for basicly the same thing it's way too easy for mafia to push the wrong one. | ||
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sandroba
Canada4998 Posts
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gonzaw
Uruguay4911 Posts
I'll get around to posting in a moment after I get some shit done. | ||
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