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FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 18:33 GMT
#2641
On January 26 2013 03:27 debears wrote:
K tnx

5touch have you figured out who the mason talking to me is?


I have a fair idea, although I'm not certain.
Artanis & marv
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 25 2013 18:42 GMT
#2642
On January 26 2013 03:33 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 03:27 debears wrote:
K tnx

5touch have you figured out who the mason talking to me is?


I have a fair idea, although I'm not certain.


Do you know of a fourth mason?

My source tells me there is
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 25 2013 18:42 GMT
#2643
What I say is not related to your true alignment. People can laugh about me, I can deal with that.


Don't forget about gonzaw. That guy probably needs protection as well. So if you're a medic and don't know what to do, at least consider protecting WBG / Gonzaw / Sandro.
I'm not going to tell you my target.


I CLEARLY said people need to protect Sand / Gonzaw because I REFUSED to tell people who I'm going to protect and anything bugs says about my protection is a null, if anything it makes me more likely to not do it.


You tell medics to protect randomly into these 3 people. What do you think a medic is going to do upon reading this?
I don't know either.

Then you aim for Bugs.

Chance for you not protecting the best townie AND not roleblocking the mafia jack?
2/3 * 1/2 * 100 = 33 %

Chance for you not doing that AND scum hitting the right guy among sandro and Bugs:

1/3 * 1/2 = 1/6 = roughly 16 %

In truth it should be even smaller. You said yourself that Djo and JX were retarded NK targets.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 25 2013 18:43 GMT
#2644
So either town was fucking unlucky that night, or you are mafia.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 25 2013 18:45 GMT
#2645
I wrote bullshit by the way. Now you can laugh about that math .

Brb laters.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 18:45 GMT
#2646
On January 26 2013 03:42 debears wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 03:33 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 26 2013 03:27 debears wrote:
K tnx

5touch have you figured out who the mason talking to me is?


I have a fair idea, although I'm not certain.


Do you know of a fourth mason?

My source tells me there is


Other than gonzaw I know of 4 possible masons, although I'm not sure the 4th is necessarily a mason. I don't quite understand how your mason would know this, however.
Artanis & marv
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 25 2013 18:47 GMT
#2647
On January 26 2013 03:45 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 03:42 debears wrote:
On January 26 2013 03:33 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 26 2013 03:27 debears wrote:
K tnx

5touch have you figured out who the mason talking to me is?


I have a fair idea, although I'm not certain.


Do you know of a fourth mason?

My source tells me there is


Other than gonzaw I know of 4 possible masons, although I'm not sure the 4th is necessarily a mason. I don't quite understand how your mason would know this, however.


Not counting grush or gonzaw.

My source says he knows another mason. Then there are your 2 also.
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 18:48 GMT
#2648
Then no, I am not aware of a 4th.
Artanis & marv
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 25 2013 18:59 GMT
#2649
On January 26 2013 03:42 Vivax wrote:
What I say is not related to your true alignment. People can laugh about me, I can deal with that.

Show nested quote +

Don't forget about gonzaw. That guy probably needs protection as well. So if you're a medic and don't know what to do, at least consider protecting WBG / Gonzaw / Sandro.
I'm not going to tell you my target.


Show nested quote +
I CLEARLY said people need to protect Sand / Gonzaw because I REFUSED to tell people who I'm going to protect and anything bugs says about my protection is a null, if anything it makes me more likely to not do it.


You tell medics to protect randomly into these 3 people. What do you think a medic is going to do upon reading this?
I don't know either.

Then you aim for Bugs.

Chance for you not protecting the best townie AND not roleblocking the mafia jack?
2/3 * 1/2 * 100 = 33 %

Chance for you not doing that AND scum hitting the right guy among sandro and Bugs:

1/3 * 1/2 = 1/6 = roughly 16 %

In truth it should be even smaller. You said yourself that Djo and JX were retarded NK targets.

Can you find a game a recent game in which mafia was trying to direct night actions in this manner?

The last time or two I've seen it, including times when the list of prot targets had scum in it, it was a townie doing that.

It does not mean that Toad is townie, or that everyone who directs night actions like this is townie. But it does mean that everyone who does this is not necessarily scum.
Fe fi fo fum.
DearestSnot
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany200 Posts
January 25 2013 19:09 GMT
#2650
anyone wanna see my best Vivax impression?
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 25 2013 19:19 GMT
#2651
Sounds like no
Fe fi fo fum.
yamato77
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
11589 Posts
January 25 2013 20:52 GMT
#2652
Austin why would you not want to lynch Gonzaw after that check?
Writer@WriterYamato
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 25 2013 20:56 GMT
#2653
On January 26 2013 05:52 yamato77 wrote:
Austin why would you not want to lynch Gonzaw after that check?
Thought I made it pretty explicit.

Voted him after the check.

Then got hung up on why Gonzaw, as a mason, didn't mason anybody. Could not understand why he wouldn't do so, so felt it was more likely that he was not a mason and something was up. Still believed that Vivax wasn't lying, so if I don't believe Gonzaw was a mason, have to assume he was framed.

That also fit more with my read on his posts, which I found townie.

Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 25 2013 21:08 GMT
#2654
Just for fun, the stupid, more WIFOM-y response:

I didn't move my vote until decently late, and didn't start pushing the framing idea until decently late in the cycle. If I really wanted to save someone who was a scumbuddy, I should have been pushing earlier and harder, instead of late in the cycle when it seemed like a lost cause.

And while talking about the frame, I noted that a player can only be framed once. What I wanted to do was lynch Oats and DT check Gonzaw again N2. Yes, this wastes a/multiple town DT checks, which is beneficial to scum, but it ALSO ensures that Gonzaw gets caught if we actually took that path. If I'm actually trying to SAVE a scumbuddy, then I recommended a strange course of action. Perhaps a short-term win in terms of using up DT checks (if people followed my plan), but it wouldn't save Gonzaw and I'd be making myself pretty visible when I could have just kept my vote on gonzaw.
Fe fi fo fum.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
21978 Posts
January 25 2013 21:27 GMT
#2655
On January 26 2013 04:09 DearestSnot wrote:
anyone wanna see my best Vivax impression?


I do. I just hope it's funny.

On January 26 2013 06:08 austinmcc wrote:
Just for fun, the stupid, more WIFOM-y response:

I didn't move my vote until decently late, and didn't start pushing the framing idea until decently late in the cycle. If I really wanted to save someone who was a scumbuddy, I should have been pushing earlier and harder, instead of late in the cycle when it seemed like a lost cause.

And while talking about the frame, I noted that a player can only be framed once. What I wanted to do was lynch Oats and DT check Gonzaw again N2. Yes, this wastes a/multiple town DT checks, which is beneficial to scum, but it ALSO ensures that Gonzaw gets caught if we actually took that path. If I'm actually trying to SAVE a scumbuddy, then I recommended a strange course of action. Perhaps a short-term win in terms of using up DT checks (if people followed my plan), but it wouldn't save Gonzaw and I'd be making myself pretty visible when I could have just kept my vote on gonzaw.


Did you just claim DT?
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 25 2013 21:31 GMT
#2656
On January 26 2013 06:27 Vivax wrote:
Did you just claim DT?
No.
Fe fi fo fum.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 25 2013 21:32 GMT
#2657
Read it as "What I wanted to do was lynch Oats and have our DTs use checks on Gonzaw again N2." I are checkless.
Fe fi fo fum.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 25 2013 21:38 GMT
#2658
On January 26 2013 03:00 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 02:56 annul wrote:
On January 26 2013 02:39 DearestSnot wrote:
Annul, what Toad said. It'd help immensely to know what we're thinking if you read our posts.



okay, so you both have top 3 of: Chez, BKE mkfuba

fivetouch?


As bugs said, read our posts.

BKE .... Chez ..................... Axlegreaser is my current best guess. I think fuba is probably town.


Just curious, what makes you think Fuba is town? Reading his filter is iffy for me. Definitely not as good a lynch as BKE or maybe Chez (I haven't checked his filter well yet) but I think he's pretty likely to be the third scum. Note that my thinking is incredibly biased because I feel like his style is very similar to my own meta at the moment, and his play exactly like how I would play scum for my first time. This post in particular really stood out to me.

On January 22 2013 06:15 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes, definitely. I'm wary on lynching prpl based on FT voters. Oats may still not be mafia, i don't think mkfuba can. Also I'm back to JX being likely scum based on how the thread is going and his activity after his suspicion faded away.

You actually think it's impossible for me to be town based on my posts? I'll be the first to admit that I'm bringing little to the table right now (no one is constantly aware of it as much as I am), but I'm giving what I can. I don't see how I'm 100% scum, especially when I know that it's just the opposite.

I find that people frown upon reads based on unexplained "feelings", which is pretty much all I have regarding everyone in this game thus far. Things that other people have latched onto as significant evidence of town or scum aren't really convincing me. I don't know if I'm just not following, or I disagree. I guess I'm mainly just waiting for my "A-ha!" moment, the one where I feel something's up, and am able to pinpoint its source. Until then, I'm roughly an observer. That's why I ask for questions, to force my own involvement. To give me a means of entering the game. Otherwise, I'll just argue with myself instead of posting in the thread. I did it in the game you linked, as well.

As for what I said sounding "fake", I don't know what to tell you. I felt like I finally had something to latch onto. That got taken away. Now all I have are a few town reads, and some "maybe scum" reads that I'm basically taking from the people I'm thus far trusting. What I said was how I felt.


He's defending his playstyle which is similar to mine but he's defending stuff he hasn't really done this game. In Acme (The game mentioned in the quote) he wasn't active but he asked good questions when he was there. In this game his questions have been shit and he has been using other peoples reads the entire time for his reads. This entire post is just a plea to let him live because he'll have a revelation.

I've got to go to work now but I'll be phone posting and would love to keep discussing this.
austinmcc
Profile Joined October 2010
United States6737 Posts
January 25 2013 21:43 GMT
#2659
Just a random side note stutters, look at the start of the post you don't like:

On January 22 2013 06:15 mkfuba07 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 04:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes, definitely. I'm wary on lynching prpl based on FT voters. Oats may still not be mafia, i don't think mkfuba can. Also I'm back to JX being likely scum based on how the thread is going and his activity after his suspicion faded away.

You actually think it's impossible for me to be town based on my posts? I'll be the first to admit that I'm bringing little to the table right now (no one is constantly aware of it as much as I am), but I'm giving what I can. I don't see how I'm 100% scum, especially when I know that it's just the opposite.
Yes I'm doing x, but ...

It's that same thing I pointed out in one of your early posts D1, something that I find to indicate mafia posts. His bit isn't as explicit as saying "I'm doing this specific thing, but I'm also doing these other things," however, it falls into that pattern.
Fe fi fo fum.
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 25 2013 22:00 GMT
#2660
On January 26 2013 06:43 austinmcc wrote:
Just a random side note stutters, look at the start of the post you don't like:

Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 06:15 mkfuba07 wrote:
On January 22 2013 04:59 sandroba wrote:
Yes, definitely. I'm wary on lynching prpl based on FT voters. Oats may still not be mafia, i don't think mkfuba can. Also I'm back to JX being likely scum based on how the thread is going and his activity after his suspicion faded away.

You actually think it's impossible for me to be town based on my posts? I'll be the first to admit that I'm bringing little to the table right now (no one is constantly aware of it as much as I am), but I'm giving what I can. I don't see how I'm 100% scum, especially when I know that it's just the opposite.
Yes I'm doing x, but ...

It's that same thing I pointed out in one of your early posts D1, something that I find to indicate mafia posts. His bit isn't as explicit as saying "I'm doing this specific thing, but I'm also doing these other things," however, it falls into that pattern.

Oh I agree completely. That was one of the things that stood out. But what bugs me about it is that he was lurky, but aggressive. This game he's passive as all hell and appears to be riding his meta, which is exactly what'd I do in his position with a similar meta. I know it's a biased as shit read, but I'm sharing what I see to generate discussion and hear what people ego have more experience with him think.
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