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Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 25 2013 22:07 GMT
#2661
And I agree as in I noticed that, but I don't think it's scummy on its own. I'm hardly one to call lurking a scumtell, but it merits looking into and I don't see him matching the level of caring or effort as much as acme and combined with how I would play scum so similarly if I rolled it I think it's a very good probability that he's using that post to avoid contributing because of his meta.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 25 2013 22:24 GMT
#2662
I've changed my mind on Toad.

Sorry for the nuisance Toad.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 25 2013 22:26 GMT
#2663
On January 22 2013 09:21 yamato77 wrote:
Also for the record I have it on good authority that there are a lot of masons, scum and town.


Yamato, explain this.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
January 25 2013 22:33 GMT
#2664
On January 26 2013 01:46 FiveTouch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 26 2013 01:44 yamato77 wrote:
On January 26 2013 01:39 FiveTouch wrote:
On January 26 2013 01:37 yamato77 wrote:
Adam, I am glad you've come out with a mafia read on Austin. I agree, he is fairly sketchy at times and fluffy at others. What concerns me about him is that he seemed perfectly willing to play along with Vivax and not lynch the mafia with a red check on him, which is highly suspicious to me, especially after the flip. I think Austin deserves a fair amount of scrutiny, and I am going to make sure that happens in the coming days.

While you may find Axle suspicious, I find his play this game fairly consistent with that if his town game in the one I played with him. He isn't overly involved in the conversation town is having, he comes in with his own take on something and basically ignores everything else. I don't see much reason to have a mafia read on him at this point in the game.

As for BKE, I want to ask this question to everyone: Who thinks he's not a good lynch tomorrow?


There are two good reasons that Axle could be mafia.

Firstly, his significant drop-off in activity.

Secondly, the mayoral candidates he supported on Day 1 were firstly Chezinu, and then gonzaw. This is suspicious by itself.

Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I'm not sure if town Axle would be involved in the game enough to vote for a mayor in a manner which is indicative about his alignment.

His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way.


His activity in the town-game never dropped off in the middle of the game for a sustained period like it has here.

And "I'm not sure he's aware to do all these scummy things" isn't a good defence for anybody. The fact is, those were his votes. He voted for the mafia in the running for Sheriff quite late in the day. This is very suspicious.

Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 25 2013 22:44 GMT
#2665
Ace, Axle mate. You sure are an ok bloke, mate. That post of yours made me crack a fat.
That'll make yamato cranky, let's have a coldie together.
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
January 25 2013 22:52 GMT
#2666
My activity did vary considerably during the game. Some aspects of the game are stressful to me. I wandered off for sleep or chill pill several times. Currently I have two problems its night time, and while some people seem aware of what it is and is not Ok to say in the period where we cant decide on a lynch but Scum can get a better idea who lynch what to do seems quite counter intuitive to me.
I spent quite some time trying to work out how to ask Debears the question i did, and while it may well have seemed inconsequential to you as you appear to be sure of things I am not. It was not inconsequential to my ability to hunt scum.
I chose debears specifically becuase I thought that question would have little effect on making anyone more or less likely as night kill. The purpose of the question was to attempt to let me work out which of the various [b]other statements I have heard but also found not credible were actually true or false. I am having a hard time working that out. The problem is that there are I feel quite a number of them that make me think that town people are saying things that if i believe them will cause me to make bad reads. That is both personally frustrating, and frustrting to my contribution to the game. Yay town is winning, I just wish I felt like I was either part of the process or learning as much as i could from it.
I dont remember where but one of the more frustrating things was what ever the theories were that were bandied about concerning the (Gonzaw and Others) It was claimed that some single voting episode earlier meant certain things were (Highly likely?) true about who was and was not scum. At that time it didn't ring true. I am now frustrated in my efforts to work out that piece of evidence.... :\ (Frsutrated by not being able to work out how to decide by examining a different but to my mind similar problem, Who debears voted for and how certainly that meant what)[/s]
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
AxleGreaser
Profile Joined November 2012
Australia1154 Posts
January 25 2013 22:53 GMT
#2667
EBWOP Sorry The quote and the answer were meant to be in one post.
Axle(OnlySomeTheoriesToAbsurdToBeConsidered)Greaser
DearestSnot
Profile Joined January 2013
Germany200 Posts
January 25 2013 22:58 GMT
#2668
On January 25 2013 13:43 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2013 13:35 DearestSnot wrote:
On January 25 2013 13:32 BroodKingEXE wrote:
On January 25 2013 12:42 DearestSnot wrote:
Why is BKE so focused on speaking on behalf of Chezinu? Literally 3/4 of his filter is talking about the vote business.


Cause we are/were having a discussion about whether or not scum tried to get Gonzaw elected. There are things that Chezinu has said already, to indicate that his vote switching was not indicative of a scum sheriff push. I'm seeing you put scenarios out there, that are as likely as they are not likely(50/50 chance), which is basically WIFOM.


yet you are not interested in any sort of other discussion, i.e. posing alternatives to my ideas.

All you do is shoot them down, instead of coming forth with people you actually think are scum.

Nice try bro, you're doing the same exact thing as the two guys who flipped scum before you.

Fair, I'll reevaluate my scum reads (given that one is totally wrong XD), and get a better alt.


yo, two hours till deadline and I'm still waiting on this shit.

chop chop buddy
debears
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2516 Posts
January 25 2013 23:12 GMT
#2669
yo how do i quote pms?
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 25 2013 23:17 GMT
#2670
On January 22 2013 14:29 yamato77 wrote:
But before I do that, I'm going to do a little digging. It occurs to me that I have only ever played with mafia Vivax, so I am going to look at a town game or two of his and see if I can draw any meaningful comparisons.


This is not true, he played with me in YAMNM and we were both town.

On January 22 2013 13:22 yamato77 wrote:
Mocsta I don't think grush is scum, and I don't think accusing him is going to make it more evident even if he is.

I would spend your time looking at other players. Funny, coming from me, but Grush plays like this often. Only time will tell with him.


Odd defence of grush. Instead of saying he doesn't know shit about him yet, he says he's town.
Before he reveals it, he says grush is likely town.
When he reveals that grush masoned him, he says grush is likely mafia cause he masoned him without saying much.
Yet he didn't suspect gonzaw of being mafia when grush said that he wanted gonzaw or chezinu as mayor.
Since yamato didn't post the PM time, we don't know if grush sent him the mail before or after yamato thought he was town/scum.

GRUSH GET IN HERE AND TELL US IF IT WAS BEFORE OR AFTER


On January 22 2013 14:29 yamato77 wrote:
But before I do that, I'm going to do a little digging. It occurs to me that I have only ever played with mafia Vivax, so I am going to look at a town game or two of his and see if I can draw any meaningful comparisons.


This is not true, he played with me in YAMNM and we were both town.

On January 22 2013 16:20 yamato77 wrote:
Yeah Vivax being mafia doesn't really make any sense unless I think Toad is mafia, so for now I'll take my tinfoil hat off and just agree with you vets because your reads so far are pretty good.


Notice how he argues with the self-consistency argument.
Could just say: If Toad isn't mafia, I think Vivax likely isn't.
He argues with a justification of his thoughts.


Are you trying to associate me with FT? That's fine, I don't care, he's town, I'm town, and we're fucking happy about it.

Are you trying to associate me with Gonzaw like you did with Toad? Really productive there.


...Curious post. Kinda pushes me to think FT is town.
When I ask him why he doesn't say that gonzaw is town but FT is:


Because I haven't had the time to filter Gonzaw yet.


In a later post:


Basically, if you think Gonzaw is mafia, Oats is far likelier to be town.


One of his usual clumsy things one shouldn't write as mafia. That's the post he started writing when getting ready to bus gonzaw.

EBWOP: Annul might be mafia... but I feel less confident about lynching him today because of how easy it is for everyone to call him mafia

not town, lol


Scumslip, but you are no friends of this type of arguments. I'll find it funny once yamato flips though.

After my claim, in chronological order:


How did you get a check of his role today from a night 1 check?

Holy shit you're lying.


As town we're all suspicious of you and this claim because you gave a combination of roles that was impossible for you to know.

Sadly you could still be town because he could have been mason day 1, and you're just being an idiot and assuming he shot N1.


The fact is, he got back a check from N1 about something he's saying Gonzaw is doing D2. How the fuck does that work?



The way mason works this game is that you choose a person to mason with for a whole cycle, not day or night, but both. If he shot someone last night as you claim, he would have shown up as mafia jack vig, not mason. The mason would have had to begin today, and you wouldn't get that check back.


Draw your own conclusions.

And remember gonzaws post:

"I think yamato is town cause he didn't try to get himself elected as mafia mayor and he didn't try to elect mafia mayors."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 25 2013 23:20 GMT
#2671
On January 26 2013 08:12 debears wrote:
yo how do i quote pms?


Check the OP but I think the restrictions only apply to role PMs
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 25 2013 23:35 GMT
#2672
Just to emphasize what yamato posted IN CONSECUTIVE POSTS:


His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way.



His activity in the town-game never dropped off in the middle of the game for a sustained period like it has here.


Come on, concrete wall, break!Break!
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 25 2013 23:36 GMT
#2673
Wait what are you asking vivax?
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 25 2013 23:36 GMT
#2674
Also Vote BKE tommorow!
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
FiveTouch
Profile Joined January 2013
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
January 25 2013 23:36 GMT
#2675
On January 26 2013 08:35 Vivax wrote:
Just to emphasize what yamato posted IN CONSECUTIVE POSTS:


Show nested quote +
His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way.


Show nested quote +

His activity in the town-game never dropped off in the middle of the game for a sustained period like it has here.


Come on, concrete wall, break!Break!


The second one was what I said, Vivax...
Artanis & marv
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 25 2013 23:37 GMT
#2676
ate: 1/21/13 13:23
Seems like we agree on almost everything.

That either means you're town or I'm terrible.

I'll go with the idea that you're town.

Original Message From grush57:
Hide nested quote -
Original Message From yamato77:
You masoned me and have yet to PM me.

What are your reads so far for the game?

Sorry I thought the host would reply and confirm it or something.
I think your town because of your posts, and thats why I masoned you.
I think gonzaw is townie, good posts.
I don't like vivax.
Crazy de-lurk by mkfuba
I would get behind a chezinu mayor spot.
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Stutters695
Profile Joined July 2012
2610 Posts
January 25 2013 23:37 GMT
#2677
On January 26 2013 08:35 Vivax wrote:
Just to emphasize what yamato posted IN CONSECUTIVE POSTS:


Show nested quote +
His activity dropping off is also consistent with his town game, tbh, so I'm not worried about him. It's like you guys' read on Chezinu, there's really not much to say either way.


Show nested quote +

His activity in the town-game never dropped off in the middle of the game for a sustained period like it has here.


Come on, concrete wall, break!Break!

Where in his filter is that. I'd like to see it in context.
grush57
Profile Joined March 2011
Korea (South)2582 Posts
January 25 2013 23:39 GMT
#2678
Both pms were the 21st so I guess before
"Every thing is either simply awful or awfully simple." | "Weaklings can't pick... their way of death."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22089 Posts
January 25 2013 23:39 GMT
#2679
Aw shit, I misread. Nevermind that part.
mkfuba07
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1151 Posts
January 25 2013 23:41 GMT
#2680
Sorry for my absence recently. There's been a lot more traveling and appointments than I expected this week. I'll try to convince those of you who find me scummy otherwise over the next day. I don't know how much of a meta it can give you, or even if it will help you, but I was mafia my first game I ever played here, though it only lasted about a day before restarting. Marv told me once that he knew my scum meta based on that one page of quotes (but refused to tell me what it was >:| ), so maybe someone else will find something they don't see this game.
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