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Vivax
21980 Posts
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 25 2013 23:42 Vivax wrote: → By not stating clearly that he is going to 100 % jail BKE, Toad is creating problems for an eventual medic who has to pick someone to protect. He says he considers me as option for a jail, but tells the medics they should only protect Bugs. That is a contradiction in mindset. He should disregard me completely as a jail target in that case and rather be coinflipping between BKE and Bugs, right? → By not stating clearly that he's 100 % jailing BKE, Toad shows that he doesn't think his unblockable DT check is the best play in any case. Force him to jail BKE or you won't know if he's scum tomorrow. → FT just posted reasons for BKE to be scum without saying if we should jail him and thus check him or lynch him tomorrow. He ignored my question so far. Because none of this should really being talked about at all. Toad made it quite clear significantly earlier in the thread that he was aware jailing a mafia in this situation would prevent a KP. Therefore he knows what has to be done. I know how Toad thinks and what he's been doing tonight, and I won't say any more about it right now. → Toad protected Bugs letting Sandro die, I still don't know why he did that. He just got upset when I told him that without expanding on his reasons saying "You say I'm bad while I'm trying to save lives". I just don't see town Toad risking the "best town player" (by his own words) to get killed. Scum hit all right targets N1. Decide for yourself if that's a coincidence and just luck or if they knew what was up. Ockham's razor tells a story. What you're missing here is that sandroba urged Toad repeatedly not to jail him. Collectively it wasn't a good decision, but it wasn't simply a Toad decision. Toad would listen to sandroba in this situation. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
The point of this game is to lynch scum, so jailing him will confirm/deny that he is scum. Then we lynch him 100% if it turns out that he is scum. | ||
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Vivax
21980 Posts
On January 25 2013 23:55 Oatsmaster wrote: Vivax, I dont think you get the point. The point of this game is to lynch scum, so jailing him will confirm/deny that he is scum. Then we lynch him 100% if it turns out that he is scum. That's exactly what I'm saying. A BKE jail HAS to happen. But only annul so far has shown what needs to be done to make sure THAT it happens. Toad will do what the fuck he wants if you don't make it crystal clear that he has to jail BKE tonight or you will lynch him (Toad). | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Why lynch BKE when jailing him will show if he's scum? Sounds like when you red-checked Gonzaw and wanted to lynch 5touch. | ||
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debears
United States2516 Posts
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On January 25 2013 23:51 Vivax wrote: Hey Adam, just to make it clear for you: Why lynch BKE when jailing him will show if he's scum? What an odd question. These things don't resolve at the same time.... so go right ahead and jail him, ill still want him dead regardless of the outcome tomorrow, barring some amazing revelation. Jailing someone is not a foolproof method of figuring out if someone is scum, there are other ways for that KP to go unaccounted for. | ||
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Vivax
21980 Posts
On January 25 2013 23:59 Oatsmaster wrote: Then what do you mean by this? Sounds like when you red-checked Gonzaw and wanted to lynch 5touch. Read the "if". "When" in the meaning of : Why lynch BKE instead of jailing him? Not "when" in the meaning of: Why lynch BKE after jailing him? | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
anyway yeah we should stop talking about this. | ||
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Vivax
21980 Posts
On January 15 2013 06:56 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Sheriff You won second place in the election. You cannot be role checked by a Detective. Up to three times in the course of the game, you are able to PM me during the night to incarcerate a player. You are able to PM me during the day with a player to be incarcerated that night. Incarcerated players cannot use any powers the night they are incarcerated. If a mafia is incarcerated, they do not contribute to the determination of Mafia KP (Kill Power), so Mafia KP may be lowered. An incarcerated player cannot be killed or targeted by any actions the night they are incarcerated. Likewise, if a Bodyguard is jailed (incarcerated), he or she does not protect elected roles for that night. You may not incarcerate yourself. The same player cannot be incarcerated twice. Sigh Adam. Toad himself said it. Did you really read at least a little bit? | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
Anyone have anything worthwhile to discuss. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 25 2013 23:58 Vivax wrote: That's exactly what I'm saying. A BKE jail HAS to happen. But only annul so far has shown what needs to be done to make sure THAT it happens. Toad will do what the fuck he wants if you don't make it crystal clear that he has to jail BKE tonight or you will lynch him (Toad). gonna be honest. Never thought about tossing a coin and already sent in "jail BKE" 10 hours ago... I just need the medic to listen to me and the medic knows what I'm doing so again: medic listen to everything I say, it is of utmost importance tonight that you do exactly as I say and not protect vivax. Not even kidding. | ||
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Oatsmaster
United States16628 Posts
Did anything stand out to you/Scummy? | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
On January 26 2013 00:09 Toadesstern wrote: gonna be honest. Never thought about tossing a coin and already sent in "jail BKE" 10 hours ago... I just need the medic to listen to me and the medic knows what I'm doing so again: medic listen to everything I say, it is of utmost importance tonight that you do exactly as I say and not protect vivax. Not even kidding. Why are you posting this? This is terrible. Come on Toad. | ||
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annul
United States2841 Posts
3/4 are mafia calling it now | ||
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Vivax
21980 Posts
Just putting this out here, there are good chances that mafia doesn't have a roleblocker. More likely that there is a framer. Framer Jack Godfather Goon and two masons. These are the roles mafia got I believe. Decide for yourself if you want to use the protection betting on my check not getting blocked and that I'm a mafia target. Or listen to Toad and watch the results. Your call. It's important that you claim if the shot has been blocked, or people might think it was the BKE jail that only caused one kill to be there. | ||
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Toadesstern
Germany16350 Posts
On January 26 2013 00:19 FiveTouch wrote: Why are you posting this? This is terrible. Come on Toad. because everyone figured it out thanks to vivax anyways... | ||
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FiveTouch
Marshall Islands1474 Posts
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Vivax
21980 Posts
You suspect BKE? You jail BKE. That's also valid for you FT, why are you suddenly asking to consider other targets when you've just written a case against BKE without even saying if you want him lynched or jailed? Pointless posts, Toad. | ||
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Adam4167
Australia1426 Posts
On January 26 2013 00:13 Oatsmaster wrote: Yeah Adam, as a 3rd party to the stuff surrounding Vivax's check and Gonzaw's subsequent lynch, Did anything stand out to you/Scummy? Honestly, that was painful to read. Some parts of Vivax filter scream town, yet some parts of his play this game have just been off-the-walls crazy, and that check is a good example of it, his feud with yamato is another. I choose to think hes an overzealous townie, so nothing really stood out as scummy, just .... not how I would have handled it. | ||
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