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On January 25 2013 21:22 AxleGreaser wrote:
On January 25 2013 17:29 Mocsta wrote:
Axle ur a null to leaning scum read for me.
At the same time with ur style i actualy dont want to pressure u either.
Seriously though. If u think 5T was elected due to mason circle. U r not reading the thread from over 40hrs ago.
5T was a voice of reason. Thats why he was elected.. He summarises it all in a post addressed to oats.
Stop being lazy and read the game..
Given that you appear to be responding to post where i did not suggest what you claim I did please stop being lazy and read my post.
Are you being serious?
On January 25 2013 17:15 AxleGreaser wrote:
In the end it seemed to me that Five touch got elected for reasons that I simply am not privy to.
Dont like mason games.....
Are you telling me those two sentences are not directly related?
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On January 25 2013 21:35 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 21:25 Vivax wrote:
Toad, actually do me a favour and don't flip a coin, simply don't protect me.
If we have a medic, good, if we don't, good. can do, if the medic promises me to protect someone else than you.
Your actions tonight will be decisive for your later survival.
You know what I said and you said in an earlier post that you wouldn't protect me anyway.
If in the end, you decide to roleblock my check and scum hits two other targets besides me, and we still don't know if BKE is scum or town, it's going to be your own fucking big problem, so I suggest you, as scum (or unlikely town), to play the best possible way, cause it's also going to favour my survival. Thanks bro.
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Not favour my survival but favour this town.
If we don't have a medic: tough luck.
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i can't believe how bad you're at this game. You still haven't realized it, right? 
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palmar / marv. I'm 90% certain both BKE and Chez are mafia. If you had to choose, which one would you choose?
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On January 25 2013 22:05 Toadesstern wrote:i can't believe how bad you're at this game. You still haven't realized it, right?
It's possible, given I have much less experience than you. You should leave this talk for post game anyway, but I'll respond regardless.
For now nothing is certain except that I both supported a prplhz lynch (although I had some doubts) and got a right check off N1 when almost no one was suspecting gonzaw, so your argument doesn't even stand based on what we have seen. Guessing 2/5 first and consecutively in such a big game is not easy.
I had good reads so far, and what you say is not changing anything about that.
It's always convenient to use insults and ad-hominem to have a reason to not respond properly.
Yamato is a prime example of that.
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I thought ad-hominem only applies if instead of attacking your argument, he attacks your character.
Hes just pointing out a statement "I cant believe how bad you're at this game"
Its not used directly to debunk your argument
So technically speaking, its not ad-hominem
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Yamato is the ad-hominem guy. Toad and marv often were, too.
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Im tend to use ad-hom too
its very effective in persuading others not in the argument to join a side;
But.. usually its also indicative of conceding the argument; all good  at least your in a better mood today Vivax
thats what matters
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What is with the sudden spike of the phrase, ad-hominem? like a month ago it was nowhere, now it is everywhere.
Like whats wrong with personal attacks?
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On January 25 2013 22:15 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 22:05 Toadesstern wrote:i can't believe how bad you're at this game. You still haven't realized it, right? It's possible, given I have much less experience than you. You should leave this talk for post game anyway, but I'll respond regardless. For now nothing is certain except that I both supported a prplhz lynch (although I had some doubts) and got a right check off N1 when almost no one was suspecting gonzaw, so your argument doesn't even stand based on what we have seen. Guessing 2/5 first and consecutively in such a big game is not easy. I had good reads so far, and what you say is not changing anything about that. It's always convenient to use insults and ad-hominem to have a reason to not respond properly. Yamato is a prime example of that.
same can be said for me, except for the fact that the rest of my reads don't suck like balls. I told you a list of 7 players at the end of n1 / start of d2 out of which has 4 mafias in it, and at the start of n2 a list of 6 people that has 5 mafias in it (adding already dead mafias).
And you're calling me mafia :p
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On January 25 2013 22:53 Oatsmaster wrote:
What is with the sudden spike of the phrase, ad-hominem? like a month ago it was nowhere, now it is everywhere.
Like whats wrong with personal attacks?
Lol
you used fallacy this game, its no diff
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Yeah its the specific phrase and the spike in usage. It hurts my brain to read it cause its not english.
Like other words were used to mean what ad-hominem means, why you gotta use that phrase?
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hehe yeah I know what you mean;
I guess because it implies authority (via education).
So using the word becomes condescending for the recipient.
but this is all post-game talk, so thats the last im speaking of it.
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People - as Vivax seems to be in a calmer mood today, let's not fan any flames. We can move forward today.
On January 25 2013 22:15 Toadesstern wrote:
palmar / marv. I'm 90% certain both BKE and Chez are mafia. If you had to choose, which one would you choose?
Currently BKE, simply because I've spent more time on him, and I've not spent a long time analysing Chezinu yet. Chezinu seems to be suggesting bugs is mafia - mommy dearest - despite the fact he led me towards prplhz, and also towards gonzaw (that bodyguard thing affected me really badly - 10% chance of town Oats being bodyguard reinforced my tunnel, very annoyingly). Chezinu is also still pushing Oatsmaster despite what happened here. None of it makes sense.
As for BKE:
On January 24 2013 08:29 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Annul is obvscum, at the moment he isn't doing anything, but putting out weak scum reads and useless setup speculation. His posting style is that of a scum who knows he's in a bad spot. He says his D1 was non-existant, but I dont see a town directed change out of him.
##Vote: Annul
On January 24 2013 14:45 BroodKingEXE wrote:
Quite honestly I can understand why you think I am scum. The problem I am finding, in my readthrough of filters, I am feeling really disconnected with the thread, due to initial missing the onset of the game. If you have anything you want my opinion or read on you can ask me. I just aren't finding relevant topics for me to post on. Please ask away.
There are a couple of things to note here. BKE claims to be disconnected from the thread, has missed a lot of the game, didn't respond to my question etc - yet he was confident enough to declare annul clearly mafia. This makes no sense. As a lost townie, he should be asking questions, not bang-on certain on a read. His random certainty on annul is really out of place.
As to what I've bolded - he's inviting questions, that's all very well. But as a townie struggling (apparently), where are his questions to other people? Where is he trying to figure anything out? In his entire filter, he asks one vaguely irrelevant question. There is literally no attempt to get more information from anyone, he's not curious about anybody.
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Night Guys. I prob won't be around much for the next 24hrs.
I dont have any spreadsheets to share.
If I am around Day3, I would vote BKE
and 2nd vote
split between Chez & Axle, depending on how questions go.
Ciao.
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And what do you suggest that should be done about BKE then?
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i am going to come out right and say this: if toad jails vivax, toad needs to be lynched day 3. period.
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Let's assume a few things:
- Town has a medic
- Toad wants to coinflip between me and BKE although he clearly wouldn't give a fuck if I die.
- FT and Toad think BKE is scum.
→ By not stating clearly that he is going to 100 % jail BKE, Toad is creating problems for an eventual medic who has to pick someone to protect. He says he considers me as option for a jail, but tells the medics they should only protect Bugs. That is a contradiction in mindset. He should disregard me completely as a jail target in that case and rather be coinflipping between BKE and Bugs, right?
→ By not stating clearly that he's 100 % jailing BKE, Toad shows that he doesn't think his unblockable DT check is the best play in any case. Force him to jail BKE or you won't know if he's scum tomorrow.
→ FT just posted reasons for BKE to be scum without saying if we should jail him and thus check him or lynch him tomorrow. He ignored my question so far.
→ We still don't know about the interactions of FT with masons, nor about Toad's. No one is pressing for disclosure. You can only press for disclosure by threatening the ones who know with a lynch.
→ Toad protected Bugs letting Sandro die, I still don't know why he did that. He just got upset when I told him that without expanding on his reasons saying "You say I'm bad while I'm trying to save lives".
I just don't see town Toad risking the "best town player" (by his own words) to get killed.
Scum hit all right targets N1. Decide for yourself if that's a coincidence and just luck or if they knew what was up. Ockham's razor tells a story.
→ Toad said he knows a DT cause he claimed openly in the thread. Demand explanations tomorrow. Watch out for fake claims.
→ There is a lie Chezinu apparently made and FT suggested to lynch him for that earlier. Now that matter has gone underground and remained completely unnoticed. We don't know what happened there. FT kept on aiming for an Oats lynch afterwards.
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I think i'm reasonably caught up at this point. If not, ill go filter diving if someone mentions something I missed.
I agree with the lynching of BKE. To paraphrase myself in Whos Line mafia, Town BKE makes literally no sense and is thrilled to death about it. He finds someone he thinks is scum, and tunnels them with crazy logic, even when other players present evidence to the contrary.
In this game, there's none of that. He was literally a ghost all of D1, and his pushes on D2 are weak at best. No crazy logic, no excessive tunneling. Crappy D1 vote, wasted to avoid a mod-kill. I think hes scared to post in his first game of scum, hence his inactivity.
Another person I would lynch would be Axle. His opening post after confirming is to eviscerate Vivax campaign post, taking it apart piece by piece, nit picking at mostly irrelevant stuff. It reeks of attempting to contribute and also not knowing how to enter the thread. His day 1 vote finished on Gonzaw, a now flipped scum. I cant even find the post where he justifies or announces his vote on Gonzaw in his quagmire of a filter. Scum hunting is sparse at best.
These two would be the two I would lynch tomorrow.
I'm struggling to get a reliable read on Austin. Hes more hypno-toad then Toad this game. Giant walls of filter that say things that could have been said in a line. I start reading his filter, my eyes glaze over and my mind wanders. He'd be one of the first to go in the search for the 5th scum (assuming I'm right about the above two).
Ill be watching the LoL Euro Qualifiers for the next couple hours if anyone wants to ask me anything, Ill be hovering around the thread.
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